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Should Addictive Tech Come With a Health Warning?

holy_calamity writes "Academics researching how technology addiction affects businesses and employees say 'habit-forming' gadgets like Blackberries should be dispensed along with warnings about the effect they can have on your life. 'We don't want to be in a situation in a few years similar to that with fast food or tobacco today. We need to pay attention to how people react to potentially habit-forming technologies.'"

329 comments

  1. Absolutely Not by milsoRgen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any behavior comes with a risk of psychological addiction. To stipulate a health warning on devices is absolutely ludacris.

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    1. Re:Absolutely Not by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 5, Funny

      Any behavior comes with a risk of psychological addiction. To stipulate a health warning on devices is absolutely ludacris.

      Exactly. Just imagine someone getting addicted to reading warning labels and the having to write a warning label that reads:

          "This device can be considered addictive, get a life*.

            *Reading warning labels is considered addictive, don't read.

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    2. Re:Absolutely Not by milsoRgen · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I actually had to RTA, and it just got worse...

      Another question is whether the costs of addiction are felt directly enough by companies for economic factors to make them act. If they are only felt by employees, pressure from outside agencies like governments could be the only way to save us from an addiction epidemic. Sometimes it just isn't worth logging on...
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    3. Re:Absolutely Not by t33jster · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No kidding! What would such a warning label look like?

      Surgeon General's Warning: The likelihood of a psychological addiction to this device is approximately equal to your own tendency to become psychologically addicted to stuff.

      I work in a place where they hand out blackberries like they're candy on Halloween. IMHO, people don't get 'addicted' to their blackberries, they become addicted to making it look like they're doing something important. Either way it's pathetic, and no warning label will fix it.

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    4. Re:Absolutely Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      > ludacris.

      ...is the stage name of a rapper. You meant ludicrous, "so absurd as to cause laughter".

      (I'm psychologically addicted to hanging out at the local peeve ranch; that's one of my pet peeves.)

    5. Re:Absolutely Not by cuantar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh no! Help us, Nanny State! We need you to save us from our pathetic lack of willpower, responsibility, and maturity!

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    6. Re:Absolutely Not by somersault · · Score: 1

      Hehe.. "warning, this TV program may bring you coming back for more". It will soon be illegal to have all those cliffhangers in TV series'!

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    7. Re:Absolutely Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm addicted to my spell checker.

    8. Re:Absolutely Not by node+3 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      How is that bad, let alone "worse"? Sometimes only the government (or other regulatory organization) can counter certain actions, at least on any reasonable timeframe. The most obvious example is seat-belts.

      That's not to say that government intervention is always good or desirable, but sometimes *it's absolutely crucial*.

    9. Re:Absolutely Not by sdsucks · · Score: 1

      Ouch, I detect a possible infinite loop in these cases....

    10. Re:Absolutely Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      My answer will change with available evidence. For a specific example lets look at cell phones. There is some evidence that supports a link between cell phone use and cancer. Other experiments fail to support that case. With inconclusive and contradictory data on that link, I do not think that a warning is required. If conclusive evidence establishes such a link, then I do think a warning should be required. In that case, I expect many cell phone companies may find significantly reduced profits. If we learn the cell phone companies are purposefully concealing dangers of cell phone use, then they should be penalized. If we learn that cell phone companies have learned how to modify behavior through cell phones in some way and are secretly using them to create a chemical addiction, then I think they should be penalized.

    11. Re:Absolutely Not by milsoRgen · · Score: 1, Insightful

      How is that bad, let alone "worse"? Oh I don't know, government mandated 'correct' usage of consumer electronics devices as suggested by the author seems a whole lot worse then the subject of the article itself... How you can equate any of that to seat belts is far beyond me.
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    12. Re:Absolutely Not by russlar · · Score: 1

      Any behavior comes with a risk of psychological addiction. To stipulate a health warning on devices is absolutely ludacris. I agree completely. I mean, think about how this applies to sex.
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    13. Re:Absolutely Not by fireman+sam · · Score: 1

      Must... Not... Comment...

      *damn*

      I feel so ashamed.

      Slashdot is addictive. For the love of God, won't someone think of the children!

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    14. Re:Absolutely Not by KublaiKhan · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's already government-mandated 'correct' usage of spraypaint. Read a can of any aerosol sometime: it's a federal offense to use it in a manner other than indicated on the packaging.

      It's to give 'em something to prosecute 'huffers' on, o'course, but it's still a government-mandated 'approved' use, meaning that, yes, your canned-air-flamethrower made from a lighter strapped to a canned air or hairspray can that you've been using to toast mosquitoes is illegal.

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    15. Re:Absolutely Not by misleb · · Score: 1

      Any behavior comes with a risk of psychological addiction. To stipulate a health warning on devices is absolutely ludacris.


      How dare you associate addiction with Ludacris!
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    16. Re:Absolutely Not by KudyardRipling · · Score: 1

      If an addiction to x makes people more productive, it would not be called an 'addiction to x'. It would be called 'x makes people more productive'. That is why caffeine will never become illegal.

      Diversity will only have been achieved when [insert extremist statement here].

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    17. Re:Absolutely Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why do you feel it's necessary for the government to mandate seatbelt usage? If people want to behave stupidly and weed themselves out of the gene pool, why should society object?

    18. Re:Absolutely Not by Seumas · · Score: 1

      I think games should come with such a warning only if all religious doctrine (bibles, church programs, curch shows, church signs, etc) must carry the same.

    19. Re:Absolutely Not by lgw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I know! How about we let adults choos for themselves whether to indulge in self-destructive behavior if it makes them happy. We could just decide that freedom was more important than safety. It's a revolutionary idea.

      Or, I dunno, we could arrest and imprison someone for their own safety if they decide not to wear a seatbelt, or a not to wear a motorcycle helmet, or eat to much fast food, or whatever else someone doesn't like today. Think of the children! Freedom is scary, and we'll save a couple bucks on health insurace -- its win-win!

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    20. Re:Absolutely Not by zoogies · · Score: 1

      *sigh*...

      LUDICROUS. Someone needs to lay off the "listening to hip-hop music" addiction.

    21. Re:Absolutely Not by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      Warning! You may find this or another comment in this thread amusing. Regular amusement from reading comments on this web site may be addictive and potentially cause financial harm to your employer as well as contribute to a lack of interpersonal relationship time. Read comments with extreme caution and with moderation. (Pun intended).

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    22. Re:Absolutely Not by palegray.net · · Score: 0, Redundant

      absolutely ludacris What does Ludacris have to do with psychological addiction? Damn, I'm behind the times...
    23. Re:Absolutely Not by Rakishi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why? If you don't care enough about your own life to protect it then why should the government care and why should the rest of us pay for it?

      There are of course economic arguments for certain laws (be it cost to society indirectly or directly) however even those are arsine. Unless people themselves decide to not act stupid you will just need to pile on laws till it's beyond absurd.

      I mean the logical conclusion of your argument is that we should all be brainwashed or have computer ships shoved into our heads to control 99.99% of our behavior, to prevent us from doing anything that might be considered as even possibly dangerous. don't forget to put that bubble wrap on before you leave the house or the voice in your head may compel you to.

    24. Re:Absolutely Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And have there been any studies to the effectiveness of warning stickers? I'm sure there is some element of daring to do the dangerous deeds, and some addictive items are rather good at helping you bypass the inhibition you would have for otherwise dangerous activities. Example: cigarettes. Basic warning labels (warning: blinding Web 1.0 design) are just words. And as a man, why do I care about pregnancy complications? I'm a man! But I guess the more gruesome depictions might give me a moment's pause before buying and inhaling.

    25. Re:Absolutely Not by khayman80 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You've uncovered a basic point of contention regarding the role of government. Some people believe that the role of the government is to protect citizens from themselves. This mindset results in alcohol and drug prohibition (i.e. "we know how to run your life better than you, and we believe you shouldn't be drinking or smoking pot, so we're not going to let you"). It also results in religious laws like Sharia and the Inquisition (i.e. "we know how to run your life better than you, and we believe you shouldn't be worshipping any god but Allah/Jesus/what-have-you, so we're not going to let you. Oh, and go to prayers/church every couple of hours/week or we'll stone you to death/burn you at the stake. Again, this is just for the good of your immortal soul.")

      (Note that you may disagree with the particular reasoning employed in these examples. In fact, I hope you do- I intentionally chose extreme examples. My point is that by accepting the fundamental premise that the government has the right to protect you from yourself, your position is only quantitatively different from these policy disasters.)

      I'm sorry, but I just can't agree with this kind of reasoning. I think that governments should treat their citizens like adults, in the sense that we're capable of making decisions about our own lives/bodies and living with the consequences, be they good or bad. Maybe the decisions we make aren't the best possible ones, but they're our mistakes to make. I'm not an anarchist, though; I believe that the government has a very real and important role to play in the sense that they protect citizens from the actions of other people.

      So, in a sense, I'm irked that people like Hillary Clinton (who apparently believes that health insurance should be forced on everyone "for their own good") are treating me and my fellow citizens like preschoolers. But it's deeper than that. You see, I think that the only real purpose the government serves- to protect us from deranged people by keeping a police force/armed forces- effectively means that they need to hold a monopoly on power in the country. While I think I have the right to defend myself against aggression in my own home or car, it would be madness to suggest that I should be able to chase down burglars vigilante-style into the night, firing my automatic weapon at their car with my left hand while driving with my right. This is a job that should be left to trained police who have the resources and backup to perform such a manhunt without endangering bystanders.

      Unfortunately, this monopoly on power carries with it a strong predilection to abusing that authority (as anyone who's been on youtube lately can see for themselves.) So I'm loathe to give the government any powers over me and my fellow citizens that aren't absolutely necessary. The potential for abuse is just too great.

      A common objection to this argument is that the alternative is simply tyranny via corporation rather than tyranny by government- "at least the government is elected". I completely disagree. However evil and corrupt corporations are, they don't have the right to bust down my door at 2am and kill me or (if I'm lucky) drag me away to spend the rest of my life in a small cement room. I think this is a very important distinction, and that's why I will never agree with handing the government any more powers than are absolutely necessary to safeguard my rights to take action to preserve my life, liberty and property.

    26. Re:Absolutely Not by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      "Any behavior comes with a risk of psychological addiction. "

      exactly. Next thing you know /. will have a warning label on it!

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    27. Re:Absolutely Not by Kral_Blbec · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For most situations I would agree, however with seat belts there is a factor in which your decision effects others around you. If your own decision will kill you and only you (ie motorcycle helmet) then its your choice to take the risk. But if you are in a crash without a seatbelt then you may be thrown out of the car. This presents a danger to others by 1) having another obstacle in the road. You may be thrown into oncoming traffic and cause a secondary collision. 2)losing control of a vehicle that you may have been able to control had you remained in the seat, and thus cause a secondary collision.

    28. Re:Absolutely Not by milsoRgen · · Score: 1

      Like, "Warning use of this product has been known to cause serious harm to ones chances of reproduction."

      Yeah, yeah... An as unoriginal joke as they come, but c'mon!

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    29. Re:Absolutely Not by RedWizzard · · Score: 1

      Why do you feel it's necessary for the government to mandate seatbelt usage? If people want to behave stupidly and weed themselves out of the gene pool, why should society object? Because of the costs to society when those people don't die. The costs of health care for those people are passed on to the public either via insurance premiums or taxes.
    30. Re:Absolutely Not by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem isn't that people need to be protected from themselves, but rather that people don't think about the externalities of their actions. No man is an island, and all that..

    31. Re:Absolutely Not by jank1887 · · Score: 1
      cue the recursive warning labels!!!

      10 print This device is addictive
      20 print this label's addictive, too
      30 print so's that one
      40 goto 30

    32. Re:Absolutely Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Ludacris' is a rapper. 'Ludicrous' is the word you want - as in "your spelling is ludicrous".

    33. Re:Absolutely Not by Vulcann · · Score: 1

      To stipulate a health warning on devices is absolutely ludacris.

      I guess you meant ludicrous. But I do sympathize - are you typing this after a Blackberry overdose? ;)

    34. Re:Absolutely Not by milsoRgen · · Score: 1

      I've gotten so many comments on my choice of the spelling of that word. I just prefer it that way!

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    35. Re:Absolutely Not by the_raptor · · Score: 1

      Then punish people for their actions, not for things that could lead to those actions.

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    36. Re:Absolutely Not by Kpau · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know... a LOT of people look pretty addicted to electricity and indoor plumbing. Won't someone think of the children! (in other news, "addiction" no longer means anything because it means everything....)

    37. Re:Absolutely Not by frehe · · Score: 1

      I know! How about we let adults choos for themselves whether to indulge in self-destructive behavior if it makes them happy. We could just decide that freedom was more important than safety. It's a revolutionary idea. The problem is; who will pay for the cleanup?
    38. Re:Absolutely Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am total agreement that the government should not be trying to protect me from myself, but I also feel that civilized society has an obligation to assist those who are having a hard time, a collective insurance so to speak. But who should foot the bill when things go wrong if people are taking unacceptable risks? e.g. If people don't have to wear seat belts or bike helmets who get injured, disabled etc. Should society look after them? Or just let them live (or die) in poverty? If the government is providing these safety nets, then people also have a responsibility to society to not partake in activities deemed to be risky...

    39. Re:Absolutely Not by khayman80 · · Score: 1

      I suppose I'd need some kind of example of "externalities" in order to come to a conclusion here. I agree that people who take actions that endanger their fellow citizens should be punished. People who drive recklessly should be fined, because they are endangering other people. However, people who don't wear seatbelts only endanger themselves, so there shouldn't be a law against it. Several posters have already argued that the seatbelt law makes sense because the hospital bill for people injured in this manner is paid for by The State. The problem is that this argument only makes sense if society already works under the presumption that The State is required to pay for people's bills when they can't afford them.

    40. Re:Absolutely Not by khayman80 · · Score: 1
      I agree that a "safety net" is a Good Thing(TM). However, as you say, the existence of such a safety net implies that citizens have additional obligations above and beyond the minimum "don't interfere with anyone's right to life, liberty and property". This loss of freedom is unacceptable to me. Plus, I think it leads down a very slippery slope- if governments are given the "right" to protect us from ourselves in certain circumstances, it seems likely that the government will acquire more and more of these powers in order to protect us from ourselves in more and more ways.

      There is an alternative, though. Safety nets don't have to be implemented by the government, where they can be abused beyond recognition. Private charities can and do take up this cause- helping people to recover from personal disasters. I think this is an ideal solution, for several reasons. First of all, as I've said, the government has a monopoly on power and simply can't be trusted with more responsibilities than it absolutely needs to safeguard our basic rights. Secondly, a private charity would be supported by voluntary, rather than forced, contributions. This makes these contributions morally "righteous", for lack of a better word; whereas forced contributions to government programs are, at best, morally neutral. Finally, nothing stirs up hatred of a particular group of people better than forcing the rest of society (at gunpoint, because the government controls the police) to support them. For instance, I can't imagine a better way to make people hate homeless people than to force everyone (at gunpoint) to surrender part of their paycheck for homeless people.

    41. Re:Absolutely Not by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      Must... Not... Comment... Ooh! That gives me an idea for a new law!

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    42. Re:Absolutely Not by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. A large number of people making bad decisions often affect more than just themselves. Just take a look at the sub prime scandal, those bad loans may just pull the entire nation into a recession. You may get laid off because some idiots signed mortgages they were never able to afford. Should the government have taken action, restricting their freedoms to prevent them from screwing you over? Its a tough question.

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    43. Re:Absolutely Not by Methuselah2 · · Score: 1

      Rather, there should be a warning on voting machines: "Danger, lawyers encourage stupid lawsuits. And lawmakers encourage stupid warnings. Make sure any lawmaker you vote for is NOT a lawyer...or stupid."

    44. Re:Absolutely Not by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Several posters have already argued that the seatbelt law makes sense because the hospital bill for people injured in this manner is paid for by The State. The problem is that this argument only makes sense if society already works under the presumption that The State is required to pay for people's bills when they can't afford them.

      It's not a presumption so much as (to a large degree) the current reality. I'm not saying the solution should be that we make laws against everything dangerous, and I'm not saying the solution should be that if you get hurt in any case and don't have money on hand you're shit out of luck, but... if I get perfect freedom to endanger myself, other people also shouldn't have to pay for it.

      Although I'm sure some people won't love the example, I think current smoking laws (in parts of America, anyway) are a reasonable compromise between allowing personal freedoms when they don't harm others, protecting others from said harm, and offering incentives for healthy behavior.

      (I still don't see a warning label going on a Blackberry.)

    45. Re:Absolutely Not by Jarik_Tentsu · · Score: 1

      World of Warcraft!

      *Warning, purchase and use of this game can lead to loss of friends, loss of money and can lead to death. *

      I can just see someone's Mum looking down at her son's Christmas wishlist, then back up to the warning label on the WoW case.

      ~Jarik

    46. Re:Absolutely Not by AdamHaun · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why should a government treat its citizens like adults when marketers, entertainers, and the citizens themselves don't? The idea that people are inherently rational and can't be swayed by clever psychology is one of the biggest delusions in the modern world.

      However evil and corrupt corporations are, they don't have the right to bust down my door at 2am and kill me or (if I'm lucky) drag me away to spend the rest of my life in a small cement room.

      Libertarian types get really hung up on institutionalized violence, but I don't think they've made the case that physical oppression is really any worse than emotional oppression. There are many things that can fuck you up *much* worse than being locked in a small cement room. If you try, I bet you can think of many things that you would happily go to jail to prevent -- how about your little sister becoming anorexic? Or a dear friend becoming a junkie and spiraling down into suicide? Now here's the real question -- are those personal choices, or the result of the actions of other people? The reality is that it's mixed. Nobody decides in advance that they're going to have an eating disorder or get addicted to drugs or elevate their blood pressure by checking email all day and night. It takes one step at a time, and often those steps are encouraged by organized groups that take advantage of quirks of human behavior to make money. No individual has the resources to keep up with that all of the time. I agree that government regulation is far from ideal, but it does act as a counterweight to corporate abuse, and I think the claim that we don't need that is based on an unrealistic view of how people work.

      So to answer your earlier statement, does the government know better than me? About some things, no, but about a whole hell of a lot of things, yes. I'm one person; it's made up of millions.

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    47. Re:Absolutely Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trying to score that trendy anti-religious point, huh?

    48. Re:Absolutely Not by node+3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not talking about forcing people to *use* seat-belts. Although I am ambivalent on that particular topic.

      My point about seat-belts was laws requiring car manufacturers to include them. Up until that point, car makers would rather save those few dollars per car (which amounts to an extremely small percentage of the overall car) and leave the seat-belts out. This is one example of the failure of the free market, where government intervention is extremely beneficial.

    49. Re:Absolutely Not by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Some people believe that the role of the government is to protect citizens from themselves. That is a complete misrepresentation of the other side of the argument (and the rest of your post is based on this false representation). I think your argument is based on how you honestly see it, though. Just that you've got it wrong.

      It's not that I think the government should protect *me* from *me*, but that when there's something undesirable in our society, there are cases where a small amount of change can have a large amount of benefit, and in some of those cases, the only way to bring about those changes on any reasonable timeframe is via government intervention. These cases seem to fall into at least two categories.

      One is where corporations pass on costs to the consumer or a third-party in extreme excess of the money such a passing-off saves (or makes for) them. For example, the Ford Pinto recall formula. Ford *absolutely knew* that the design flaw of the Pinto would kill people in excess of what's normal for a car, but it turned out to be cheaper to sell the car and settle the resulting lawsuits than recall the car altogether. There are countless other examples, but I'll trust you get the idea. This is not "saving me from myself", it's "saving me from Ford's deliberate endangering of my life". This is a situation which absolutely needs government involvement of some sort. It could be as little as requiring Ford to publicly, freely and fully disclose the problem and let the consumer decide (I would not be satisfied with it, but it's at least *something* and allows the car buyer to knowingly make the choice, although there are problems, for example, many people who *already* bought the car would now not be able to sell it, and could not afford to replace it, thereby being in the situation where their only reasonable choice is to play russian roulette every time they need to go somewhere). My preferred solution would be the threat of a government forced recall, with potential punitive fines and even criminal charges for failure to act, but allowing Ford the chance to make things right first.

      The other common case where the free market breaks down is extreme cases where corporations exploit people's natural flaws. The most notable example here would be the tobacco companies making more addictive cigarettes and targeting them at children. While I agree that people need to be responsible for their own actions, the tobacco companies really only need to trick someone a few times to get them addicted for life (and targeting children makes the tricking all the easier).

      Now, I fully agree that there is potential for going overboard. In fact, I'll assert that going overboard is inevitable. People are flawed, and sometimes the laws won't go far enough, and sometimes they will go to far. That's a risk I'm willing to take because the alternative, no such laws at all, would be worse. I think the founding fathers of the US did a fairly good job of placing safeguards to help mitigate the risks of tyranny, as well as making correcting from tyranny fairly easy and quick.
    50. Re:Absolutely Not by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Yeah but an aerosol flamethrower is also hard to control and could set MY house on fire. thus illegal.

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    51. Re:Absolutely Not by node+3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I absolutely and fully agree that adults should have the right to engage in self-destructive behavior. This is not what we're talking about here (and fuck me, does no one know that seat-belts were not required on cars for half-a-century?). I'm talking about placing obstacles in the way so that if someone is going to harm themselves, it's because *they truly want to engage in that behavior* and not simply because they've been tricked or directed into such behavior by those who stand to make money of their self-destruction.

      If you place no restriction on marketing and selling self-destruction to people, corporations are going to devise ways to most efficiently get people hooked on their product. This completely bypasses rational self-determination and it seems quite reasonable for the government to help protect people from being exploited, while still allowing them the freedom to willingly and knowingly walk into self-destruction, if they so desire.

    52. Re:Absolutely Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1. Any accident is going to leave obstacles in the road. Unless you are also going to advocate that other items (e.g. cell phones, dogs, shopping bags) this is a pretty weak argument. I would love to see some data on seatbelts preventing secondary collisions.

      2. If you were thrown from the car that means your car experienced a rapid slowdown and is likely no longer 'out of control'.

      The people most affected by other people not wearing seatbelts. People in the back seats have a habit of smashing into the people in front of them. Yet, oddly, the back seat is the most likely place (depending on your state) wear seat belts do not have to be worn.

      This is all a bunch of nonsense, though. Anyone getting in a car is accepting risk. Arguing that other people not wearing seatbelts substantially increases those risks is absurd.

    53. Re:Absolutely Not by darkfire5252 · · Score: 1

      The latent problem with 'tyranny via corporation' is that it doesn't remain in the corporate sector. A corporation may not be allowed to bust down your door and arrest you, but that's not the route they'd go anyhow. In a society with evil and corrupt corporations, the corporations extend their power into the government, lobby for laws that make whatever you were doing that they didn't like illegal, and then sit back and let the government do the rest. A small government is ideal, but it has to be balanced against the fact that, if you allow corporate power to expand and become corrupt, the corporation will continue to do what it's done all along: it will use its assets to make profitable things happen. The fact that the assets are used to buy or influence public policy doesn't matter to the corporation one bit.

    54. Re:Absolutely Not by node+3 · · Score: 1

      I mean the logical conclusion of your argument is that ... This is an absolutely moronic argument. No one is arguing going to the so-called "logical conclusion". That's just a straw-man. The "logical conclusion" of you drinking from a water-fountain is that you'll drink so much water that your cells will dissolve. Somehow this very rarely happens. Why is that? Because once the need that brought about your water-drinking episode has been met, you stop. Maybe you drink a little too much, or not quite enough, but you never seem to drink to the "logical conclusion".

      Same thing here with consumer protection laws. There's a need, and a rational amount of government intervention. At some point, the need is met and it becomes rational to stop. The argument should be about where to stop, not whether there should be *no* laws or a totalitarian extreme of laws. I (and most people) would argue for a balance somewhere in-between.
    55. Re:Absolutely Not by notwrong · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are potential costs to others if you don't wear a seatbelt, but I don't think that's the main reason they are compulsory in most Western jurisdictions.

      The risk of death and severe injury is reduced when people wear seatbelts. Premature death and debilitating injuries carry real costs to society, such as lost productive capacity, medical services and long-term care, in addition to the personal and emotional costs to the victims and their families. It is prudent social policy to attempt to minimise these costs.

      In my opinion, mandating seatbelt use when travelling on public roads is a reasonable component of the social contract you agree to when being granted your driver's license. If some people don't like this impingement on their freedom, that's fine - don't drive or be a passenger on public roads.

    56. Re:Absolutely Not by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      The problem is; who will pay for the cleanup? Nobody has to. A lot of animals and insects have evolved to take care of carrion quite effectively. And metal carcasses will oxidise and vanish in a few decades (hopefully by then the plastic bits will be scavenged by the roaming bands of road warriors)..

      See ? It's all taken off through the wonders of nature.
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    57. Re:Absolutely Not by Rakishi · · Score: 0

      Have you actually seen all the bloody warning labels on everything? Coffee is hot apparently...and that one had a very large and successful lawsuit behind it. I think almost every building in California has a label saying there are carcinogens inside. In the end it become less than worthless as people ignore the warnings and assume they are safe anyways.

    58. Re:Absolutely Not by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      Now, I fully agree that there is potential for going overboard. In fact, I'll assert that going overboard is inevitable. People are flawed, and sometimes the laws won't go far enough, and sometimes they will go to far. That's a risk I'm willing to take because the alternative, no such laws at all, would be worse. I think the founding fathers of the US did a fairly good job of placing safeguards to help mitigate the risks of tyranny, as well as making correcting from tyranny fairly easy and quick. Tyranny is only tyranny for 10 years, then it becomes the norm and no longer tyranny. Not many people after all mind drug laws, after all we all know that anyone carrying over $10k in cash must be a drug dealer and the police are perfectly right in taking the money (without any other cause).
    59. Re:Absolutely Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can you claim a 'social contract' as sufficient justification for legislating a coercive restriction of freedom? If it is a social contract shouldn't it be enforced - oh I don't know - socially?

      Do you really believe the government should be involving itself in 'the personal and emotional costs' to the victims and their families? I, for one, don't even hold those around me responsible for my emotions, much less government! And I'm not certain how personal those costs can be if the government is involved.

      If some people don't like this impingement on their freedom, that's fine - don't drive or be a passenger on public roads.

      You're keeping some fine company with this argument. /sarcasm

    60. Re:Absolutely Not by gr8dude · · Score: 1
      Sounds like a great opportunity for self-fulfilling prophecies to emerge.

      - Warning: do NOT try to disassemble the device and put the blue modules in your mouth
      - disassemble? blue module? I didn't know I could do that, let me see...
      ... delta_t
      - oh no!
    61. Re:Absolutely Not by Mattsson · · Score: 1

      Well, devices that are outright unhealthy to use might get by with a warning.
      But if we start putting warning signs about potential addiction on stuff people get to, the list is ridiculously long.
      I mean, the list includes stuff like: Shoes, shopping, sex, pain, fear, books, etc, etc.
      It is simply not feasible to put signs on everything.
      I get irritated every time I see something stupid like a sign saying "Warning: Risk of injury" on car-doors and such.
      Hell, even keyboards have warning signs these days!

      --
      /.Mattsson - My native language is not English, so please don't whine over linguistic errors. (That's lame anyway...)
    62. Re:Absolutely Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did the Government care? How many Gov. employees took out those mortgages? It wasn't just "some people" either - it was half the bankers in the country. That's not the bad choices of a few, but of most.

    63. Re:Absolutely Not by khayman80 · · Score: 1

      Why should a government treat its citizens like adults when marketers, entertainers, and the citizens themselves don't? The idea that people are inherently rational and can't be swayed by clever psychology is one of the biggest delusions in the modern world.
      Because I can ignore marketers and entertainers and other citizens. I can't just ignore the government, because they have a disturbing tendency to drag people off to prison who ignore them.

      Libertarian types get really hung up on institutionalized violence, but I don't think they've made the case that physical oppression is really any worse than emotional oppression. There are many things that can fuck you up *much* worse than being locked in a small cement room.
      "Emotional oppression"? Really? You're seriously going to compare police brutality to "emotional oppression"?

      Look... I hate to break out a worn cliche here, but "police batons and tazers may break my bones and cause convulsions, but words don't actually hurt unless you let them". In fact, as I've matured I've learned to pity people who attempt to hurt me with insults. The insults are clearly the result of a warped mind, and say more about that person's inner pain than about, say, my momma bein' so fat.

      Or perhaps I misunderstood you. I hope I did, because it sounds like you're saying we should accept police brutality because "emotional oppression" (whatever that means?) is worse than being beaten and locked in a cell.

      If you try, I bet you can think of many things that you would happily go to jail to prevent -- how about your little sister becoming anorexic? Or a dear friend becoming a junkie and spiraling down into suicide?
      Umm.... how would my going to jail prevent these things from happening? Wouldn't some therapy be better than incarcerating me? Unless, of course, you meant that I'm keeping both of these people locked in a room and pumping my friend full of heroin against his will, and exposing my little sister to a never-ending stream of tv depicting rail-thin models with a soundtrack that sounds like "You're too fat! You're ugly!"

      Again... I have to be misunderstanding you. I seriously doubt that you meant to say what you seem to be saying.

    64. Re:Absolutely Not by khayman80 · · Score: 1

      ... This is not "saving me from myself", it's "saving me from Ford's deliberate endangering of my life". This is a situation which absolutely needs government involvement of some sort.
      I actually agree with this, because the entire point of living in a society is that division of labor allows each of us to become more specialized than we would have the time to become in isolation. I don't have to design and build my own house, make my own cooking implements, hunt animals for food and dress them, then cook them over a fire I built myself. I can pay others to do this, which allows me to focus my time on physics. But division of labor requires a reasonable expectation that my dealings with other people will be fair- if I don't believe that I'll be compensated for my labor when I trade my services to another person, I simply won't trade with anyone. This would largely defeat the purpose of civilization.

      So, I think that governments are expected to make sure that citizens live up to their end of the contracts they make with other citizens. (I'm ignoring corporations here because I think our laws need to be changed- corporations need to have their individual rights stripped so that the people running the corporations are liable as citizens for their actions.) But, really, this government role is one I've already advocated when I said that the government needs to protect my rights to life, liberty and property. By creating a faulty product and then hiding these flaws from the public, Ford was essentially stealing money from people by providing a product that did less (considerably less!) than they said it would. I expect the government to prosecute these cases as vigorously as they would prosecute burglars and con men, because the principle is the same.

      The other common case where the free market breaks down is extreme cases where corporations exploit people's natural flaws. The most notable example here would be the tobacco companies making more addictive cigarettes and targeting them at children.
      Again, I think the government should only get involved in these cases if corporations are breaking the terms of their contract. There really isn't any contract with a pack of cigarettes- people buy their death sticks because they need a way to feed their addiction. But I'm completely okay with this, despite the fact that I don't smoke cigarettes. I do, however, eat a lot of candy, which puts me at risk of developing type 2 diabetes. The candy companies are exploiting my natural flaw to make money at the expense of my long term health. But this is my mistake to make, and I'll only give up my gummi bears when the government tears them from my cold, dead hands.

      The only part of this statement that I remotely agree with is the "what about the children?" appeal. I say this because I honestly haven't figured out how to fit children (or, say, mentally disabled people) into my ethical and political theory. I do think it might be okay to force children (or, rather, their parents) to buy health insurance (as Obama is proposing) because children shouldn't be expected to be able to weigh the risks of going without insurance. I also agree that dangerous products such as alcohol and drugs should be sold only to adults because children can't be expected to deal with temptation like this without more life experience.

      But the important point here is that, at most, I would only restrict children's rights in certain select circumstances.

    65. Re:Absolutely Not by khayman80 · · Score: 1

      In a society with evil and corrupt corporations, the corporations extend their power into the government, lobby for laws that make whatever you were doing that they didn't like illegal, and then sit back and let the government do the rest.
      I agree that this is a real problem with our current society. But you seem to be saying that it would be fixed by creating a larger government with more powers, as though this is some kind of boxing match. I disagree. I think the best solution would be to outlaw lobbying. In other words, stop allowing lobbyists to give money to lawmakers in a transparent attempt to subvert the democratic process. I might even support a law preventing lobbyists from talking to lawmakers, as long as the law was worded in such a way that ordinary citizens could still contact their representatives.

      Also, I've been toying with the idea of going one step further than "making campaign financing public". I think we should actually force all candidates in all elections draw money from a small, central fund. Each candidate can draw an equal amount of money, which will even the playing field and prevent rich candidates from having an advantage over poor candidates. It would also prevent corporations from having any influence in elections, which would considerably lessen the influence they would have over candidates who win.

      Finally, corporations need to have their individual rights stripped. I have absolutely no idea why this notion was invented other than to insulate CEOs from the consequences of their actions. Does anyone know why corporations still have rights? I honestly want to know...

    66. Re:Absolutely Not by smittyoneeach · · Score: 3, Funny

      won't someone think of the children
      But not too much, especially if they are not your own...
      --
      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    67. Re:Absolutely Not by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

      "..we know how to ruin your life better than you.."

      Corrected that for you.

      The problem with shifting personal control and responsibility to the government is that it just makes the matter worse: people can no longer be arsed to judge whether something is good or bad for them, figuring that they can just rely on the government to tell them. (And look for someone to sue when they're wrong.)

    68. Re:Absolutely Not by Jasin+Natael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you forget the most important point to justify the social contract: If the driver at fault has to pay medical bills for the victim by law, then every potential victim has a legal and moral responsibility not to die or become maimed unnecessarily and thereby become an onerous burden for other parties.

      Don't wear your seatbelt if that's your choice, but (win or lose) don't take me to court when you lose an arm or break your clavicle. And don't let your family harass me if you snap your stupid neck.

      --
      True science means that when you re-evaluate the evidence, you re-evaluate your faith.
    69. Re:Absolutely Not by SL+Baur · · Score: 3, Insightful

      a LOT of people look pretty addicted to electricity and indoor plumbing. This is modded funny, but it's not really funny, it's insightful. Most of the world's people live without one or the other or both. I've lived (very recently) in places with some electricity, but not always and no indoor plumbing and count me as one of the addicts.
    70. Re:Absolutely Not by turing_m · · Score: 1

      "Libertarian types get really hung up on institutionalized violence, but I don't think they've made the case that physical oppression is really any worse than emotional oppression."

      My god. An outbreak of common sense on slashdot! No wonder it's moderated "interesting". If you listen closely, you might hear the fluttering sound of a few thousand people re-reading a certain 60 page monologue.

      --
      If I have seen further it is by stealing the Intellectual Property of giants.
    71. Re:Absolutely Not by risinganger · · Score: 1

      ... because some idiots signed mortgages they were never able to afford. How about placing some of that blame with the idiots in the banks? I didn't see any gun at the head of the banks forcing them to offer these mortgages. There was also nothing stopping them from performing some sort of check or restricting how many of these mortgages they agreed to.

      I should point out that I'm not American so maybe the US government was stupid enough to force banks to offer these kinds of mortgages
    72. Re:Absolutely Not by Pvt_Ryan · · Score: 1

      Might have to get the warning tatooed on my knob.. My g/f is addicted to it.. :)

      Seriously though, how sad is that, bit like having the "hot water" warning on the hot water tap, WTF you expect the hot water to be cold???

    73. Re:Absolutely Not by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      So why not just mandate a gadget that gives a lethal injection to all passengers when a collision occurs where speed > X?

      Problem solved :-)

      --

      People replying to my sig annoy me. That's why I change it all the time.
    74. Re:Absolutely Not by theaveng · · Score: 1

      And thus you demonstrate how some people are addicted to passing new laws (aka politicians).

      Me:

      I am addicted to internet forums.
      Like this one here.

      It interferes with my job, because talking online is ALWAYS more fun than doing actual work. And of course, I'm always constantly checking, "Did anyone reply to me? No? How about now? Maybe now? Oh! There's a reply!" Type, type, type.

      It's quite sad actually.
      I should go to a psychiatrist.

      But first I need to go visit rec.arts.tv, to see if anybody posted any new messages. Bye.

      --
      FOX NEWS.com should be BANNED from television and internet. Have the Congress take it over and give us Truespeak.
    75. Re:Absolutely Not by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      Any behavior comes with a risk of psychological addiction

      It's too bad that politics trumps science and bends language so badly that the very meanings of things are changed beyond recognition. What did Orwell call this in "1984"?

      What you call "psychological addiction" has a simple one word five sylable synonnym. It's called habituation.

      If you smoke pot every day for a year, you're going to miss it when it's gone, and even crave it. The antidrug nannys say this proves addiction, and under the new meanings maybe it does. But if you have a glass of orange juice with your breakfast every morning for a year you're going to miss it when it's gone.

      If you drink a half ping of whiskey every day for a year you're not only going to miss it when it's gone, you're going to get the shakes, see snakes, feel bugs on your skin. You can actually DIE from withdrawal from alcohol or heroin. That's addiction.

      Coffee is addictive, but its withdrawal is trivial; without their coffee, a caffiene addict gets headaches.

      Addiction is physical. Habituation is psychological. You cannot become addicted to a gizmo (unless of course your "gizmo" is a hypodermic needle full of morphine)

      --
      mcgrew's razor: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greedy self-interest
    76. Re:Absolutely Not by lukesl · · Score: 1

      You see, I think that the only real purpose the government serves- to protect us from deranged people by keeping a police force/armed forces- effectively means that they need to hold a monopoly on power in the country.

      This reminds me of an Onion headline I saw once: "Libertarian breaks down, calls fire department." Fire department, roads/bridges, etc. aside, I think a big difference between Libertarian-types like you (no offense--I hope that's a fair characterization) and former Libertarian-types like me is that you are not thinking globally. Universal health care is not just to restrict your freedoms or protect you from yourself, but to ensure the economic future of our nation (assuming you're from the US too), as well a to INCREASE the freedom and happiness of the 2/3 of the people last year who declared bankruptcy because of unforeseen medical illness. Government investment science/technology research is the same thing, and no, we can't simply turn that over to industry--not because they're "greedy," but because industry lacks the flexibility to invest in high-risk technologies that might not pay off.

      Look, I agree with you about the abuse of power by police and so forth, but I don't think it's fair to link that to everything "the government" does as though it's a monolithic entity. Police brutality is terrible--down with mandatory public education for children! Sometimes that logic just doesn't make sense. I think the correct answer is more transparency and so forth, not simply reducing the powers of government as a whole. Here's a short essay on the role of government in protecting liberty, which I think explains this point better than I ever could.

    77. Re:Absolutely Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libertarian Nonsense......
      If you consider the substances that are prohibited or controlled they are generally ones that _do_not_ affect only the user:

      Heroin makes you an addict very quickly, drug addicts are not known for making decisions that are in their own "rational self interest".

      Alcohol is controlled because it it extremely intoxicating, making its heavy users disproportionately violent and prone to cause accidents _involving others_.
      It does seem a bit less justifiable to prohibit marijuana though.

      Firearms are controlled (and close to banned in sensible countries) because they allow someone who loses their temper or has previously unknown mental health problems, or is plain criminal, kill people quickly and efficiently.(responding that criminals get access to guns does not mean that we shouldn't try very hard to limit that access)

      You need to get health insurance because everyone in a society benefits from a society where all members have access to health care that doesn't render them bankrupt because of an accident.

      Treating people like _adults_ involves remembering that adults with _free_will_ make non-optimal decisions quite often, and being prepared to deal with the consequences. If those consequences are sufficiently bad then being prepared to pre-empt them.

    78. Re:Absolutely Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't mind having to detour for a few decades! It's nice, like the smell of death from the car crash outside my house! Yummy!

    79. Re:Absolutely Not by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the added psychological effect of killing someone, even if they were stupid enough to not wear a seat belt. And all the extra money and time the investigation takes if there is a fatality.

      --
      "I only speak the truth"
      Karma: null(Mostly affected by an unassigned variable)
    80. Re:Absolutely Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The onus of responsibility should be on the one GETTING, not the one GIVING. This over-legislation of protecting complete fools is ridiculous - like the McDonalds Hot Coffee case, that woman should have been laughed out of court, it's not McDonald's place to warn people not to do completely retarded things. Similarly, the people asking for a loan should be completely expected to say to themselves "There is no onus of responsibility on the banks outside of the terms of our contract, therefore I should be fiscally prudent, read the contract carefully - because if I don't I'll be in real trouble!" instead of "OK I SIGN THE LINE AND GET LOTS OF MONEY :D I KNOW I DONT HAVE ANY INCOME BUT THATS YOUR PROBLEM RITE?!?!???". Stopping stupid people from learning from their mistakes is what got us into this position to begin with.

    81. Re:Absolutely Not by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 1

      Everybody is being a smartass about this warning stuff, but the point I got from the subject is that companies want to suck your time out of you so they make more money and you have less life. And you should be aware of it. That's a "duh" moment obviously, but sometimes you don't realize they are trying to fuck you till it's too late. I have a blackberry for work. It stays securely in my desk at all times unless I am traveling. My regular cell phone... yeah OK, i stays with me, but I don't get many work calls. It's there for "just in case" really, and I can use it for personal usage as well so it helps my life more than hurts it.

    82. Re:Absolutely Not by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 1

      With no seatbelt on, you may hit someone else in the same car in a wreck... which would really suck for them (me!). My friends and brother get this speech every time they try to get away with no seatbelt in my car. I don't care if they want to kill themselves, but they aren't taking me out with their 200 pound projectile body!

    83. Re:Absolutely Not by AdamHaun · · Score: 1

      Because I can ignore marketers and entertainers and other citizens.

      You can, but in practice, I bet you do it a lot less than you think. Influences are often subtle and unconscious.

      "Emotional oppression"? Really? You're seriously going to compare police brutality to "emotional oppression"?

      I certainly wasn't referring to cheap insults, and gave two examples to that effect. You say words don't hurt unless you let them, but if you the right words in the right times in the right places, you don't get that choice. Again, do you think anyone *chooses* to become (for example) anorexic? People don't wake up one morning and decide "I think I'll have a mental disorder today!".

      Umm.... how would my going to jail prevent these things from happening?

      It wasn't a practical example. The point was that there are many things that cause more damage than the sort of violence the government institutionalizes and in practice are just as hard (if not harder) to ignore, so it doesn't make sense for violence to hold a special philosophical position. That doesn't mean we should accept police brutality or flagrant abuses of civil rights -- far from it. But I don't think those flaws are enough to support a philosophy of minimalism, and the rest of the argument is, for the reasons I've given above, somewhat lacking.

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      Visit the
    84. Re:Absolutely Not by ghyd · · Score: 1

      "It also results in religious laws like Sharia and the Inquisition"

      You don't have to go back in time to find religious courts having real power in western countries.

    85. Re:Absolutely Not by bdonalds · · Score: 1

      It's ludicrous that you think stipulating health warnings on devices is Ludacris.

      --
      The most important thing to do in your life is to not interfere with somebody else's life. -FZ
    86. Re:Absolutely Not by Aphex+Junkie · · Score: 1

      I don't think Ludacris cares either way

    87. Re:Absolutely Not by wall0159 · · Score: 1

      "However evil and corrupt corporations are, they don't have the right to bust down my door at 2am and kill me or (if I'm lucky) drag me away to spend the rest of my life in a small cement room."

      If we were living in an anarcho-capitalistic society, and a corporation did that to you, to what higher power would you appeal to get it overturned?

      (This isn't directed at the parent particularly, I'm genuinely interested in the answer to this question)

    88. Re:Absolutely Not by TimedArt · · Score: 1

      --- quote ---
      So, in a sense, I'm irked that people like Hillary Clinton (who apparently believes that health insurance should be forced on everyone "for their own good") are treating me and my fellow citizens like preschoolers.
      --- end quote ---

      I agree with much of what you said, but I think you're leaving out an important component. Some people *are* preschoolers - literally. Once you're 18, I have no problem with you not wearing a seatbelt, a helmet, etc. but until then, I think it should be mandatory. First of all, kids (and many teenagers) do not always have sound judgment. Second, I strongly believe that children should not have to pay for the stupidity of their parents. If mom and dad want to binge drink and chain smoke their way through life without health insurance that's their choice, but their kids don't deserve to suffer if they get really sick.

    89. Re:Absolutely Not by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Because the person at fault (or their insurance) has to pay for all damages, if the "victim" didn't use a seatbelt the damage is much worse and thus much more expensive. Also it needs more medical attention to fix (unless all you need is an undertaker), using the already limited pool of medics.

      --
      Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
    90. Re:Absolutely Not by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      I'm not convinced the freedom to not wear a seatbelt is really a freedom of any value and losing it isn't a real loss.

      --
      Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
    91. Re:Absolutely Not by Hellpop · · Score: 0

      Well said.

      --
      "People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything."
    92. Re:Absolutely Not by FenderGeek · · Score: 1

      No, it would be ludicrous. If it was ludacris, it would be warning about addictions to bling.

      /pedantic mode off

      --
      One only needs two tools in life: WD-40 to make things go, and duck tape to make them stop. ~G.M. Weilacher
    93. Re:Absolutely Not by Smauler · · Score: 1

      Me too! I spell my own way.

      By the way, most people would have spelt that phrase "Fuck you! Learn to think, Moran!", but I like my spelling better.

    94. Re:Absolutely Not by profplump · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That's the ticket. Convince them that it's no problem to give up "worthless" freedoms, because it's "for the public good". Then we can cite those changes later as the basis for the removal of more widely valued freedoms -- not only will they be used to giving up rights, but we'll have an easy-to-rationalize "logic" on which to sell the more offensive restrictions.

    95. Re:Absolutely Not by profplump · · Score: 1

      Without commenting on whether or not seatbelts should be mandatory, I must question your logic. How are you drawing the line that makes "require seatbelts to save money" reasonable but makes these similar situations absurd? Or would you really apply the same logic to these situations?

      Riding a motorcycle increases your chance of serious injury when compared to a riding in a car which increases the cost of accidents for the person at fault and increases the need for medical attention from the already limited pool of medics; we should therefore outlaw motorcycles are require people to ride only in cars.

      Riding in a car increases your risk of serious injury when compared to a riding in a bus, which increases the cost of accidents for the person at fault and increases the need for medical attention from the already limited pool of medics; we should therefore require people to ride only in buses.

      Poor eating habits increase your chance of chronic illness, which increases the cost of medial care. We should therefore mandate healthy eating habits.

    96. Re:Absolutely Not by bigdavex · · Score: 1

      Exactly. A large number of people making bad decisions often affect more than just themselves. Just take a look at the sub prime scandal, those bad loans may just pull the entire nation into a recession. You may get laid off because some idiots signed mortgages they were never able to afford. Should the government have taken action, restricting their freedoms to prevent them from screwing you over? Its a tough question.

      I don't think the problem is a lack of government involvement. Isn't the whole point of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to allow for more risk in loans than individual lenders could tolerate?

      Look at the way tax policy works. Interest payments are tax deductible. Investing in the stock market in a 401(k) is tax deferred. Supposing you want to influence people to borrow a lot of money, wouldn't that be a good way to do it?
      --
      -Dave
    97. Re:Absolutely Not by hesiod · · Score: 1

      Seatbelts were not a part of the "social contract" when I got my license. They changed the terms of the contract after I signed.

    98. Re:Absolutely Not by hesiod · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Any freedom is of value, whether or not you partake in that freedom. I value the freedom of the press. I, however, do not use that freedom (basically). Doesn't mean I wouldn't be pissed if it were revoked, suddenly -- much less so without the consent of the people.

    99. Re:Absolutely Not by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > It's all taken off through the wonders of nature.

      Get off my road, you damn hippie! :P

    100. Re:Absolutely Not by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > > this argument only makes sense if society already works under the presumption that The State is required to pay for people's bills when they can't afford them.
      > It's not a presumption so much as (to a large degree) the current reality.


      In the given argument, the state (in the US) does NOT pay for those bills -- at least medical ones. The hospital they went to has to eat the losses for the ER visit if the person cannot pay and doesn't have insurance.

    101. Re:Absolutely Not by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > some addictive items are rather good at helping you bypass the inhibition you would have for otherwise dangerous activities. Example: cigarettes.

      "I was just fine until I smoked a cigarette. All of the sudden I wanted to go rock climbing, skydiving, and started shooting smack." I think Alcohol is a better example, as I have never, ever heard that smoking cigarettes lowers your inhibitions in any way.

    102. Re:Absolutely Not by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 1


      In the given argument, the state (in the US) does NOT pay for those bills -- at least medical ones. The hospital they went to has to eat the losses for the ER visit if the person cannot pay and doesn't have insurance.


      Well, sure. But where does that money come from? All of the other patients of the hospital in the form of higher costs.

      Either way the public is footing the bill.

    103. Re:Absolutely Not by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      That's like claiming because we flush crap down the toilet we'll soon flush valuables down too.

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      Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
    104. Re:Absolutely Not by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Not every freedom has a value. The freedom of the press has the value that it allows free flow of information and helps with keeping the public informed and antisocial behaviour in check. What is the value of not wearing a seatbelt? The only flow that facilitates is the flow of body fluids over the dashboard. Seriously why would anybody WANT to not wear a seatbelt?

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      Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
    105. Re:Absolutely Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The McDonald's case was in fact completely legitimate, and is not the case-study in frivolous lawsuits that it's so often made out to be.

    106. Re:Absolutely Not by milsoRgen · · Score: 1

      Hell, even keyboards have warning signs these days! Yeah I'm quite fond of the opening line on my Logitech G-15 Gaming Keyboard (located on the underside).

      Warning some experts believe use of any keyboard may cause serious injury to hands, arms, wrists, neck or back.
      --
      I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask where they're goin' and hook up with 'em later.
    107. Re:Absolutely Not by hesiod · · Score: 1

      Yes, every freedom does have a value. Not the same value, granted, but a value nonetheless. And again, not taking advantage of a freedom doesn't mean you shouldn't have that freedom. I do wear a seatbelt, but it's not my (or the US government's) place to force me to do it.

    108. Re:Absolutely Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To stipulate a health warning on devices is absolutely ludacris.
      Sorta, but our ability to spell certainly is getting ludicrous.
    109. Re:Absolutely Not by freedomlinux · · Score: 1

      imprison someone... if they choose... not to wear a motorcycle helmet
      Makes me chuckle a little because motorcycle helmets have been largely optional in my state (PA) for almost 5 years.

      Incarceration is expensive - we find it cheaper to institute a policy of natural selection.

    110. Re:Absolutely Not by khayman80 · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying the solution should be that if you get hurt in any case and don't have money on hand you're shit out of luck, but...

      I've mulled over your statement for about 24 hours now, and I think you have a point here. American society clearly has a serious flaw in the sense that some citizens simply do not have access to affordable health insurance. I think this one simple fact results in the vast majority of the human suffering that one sees in most of the scenes of "Sicko", for instance. This lack of access to health insurance is a problem which needs a solution. I have an idea- though I hesitate to call it a proposed solution- and I want to know what you think about it. Please let me take a minute to explain...

      Plea to people in the American health care industry: please let me know of any problems you see in the following proposal. (Thanks...)

      I've been thinking about the issue for a while now, and I've tried to figure out what fundamental problems lay behind the symptoms of our inefficient and increasingly stratified (socio-economically speaking) health care system. Most people with whom I've discussed this issue are under the impression that the sole problem is "too much capitalism"- that health insurance companies are competing too fiercely, and that this competition is resulting in a profit-oriented mindset best summed up by "Let's see how many applications for health insurance coverage we can reject, and for those few members we let slip by, how few operations/drugs can we approve for them."

      (Incidentally, I define health insurance as a route to investing money in the sector of the nation's economy that contains (but isn't limited to): pharm R&D departments, research hospitals, the drug/medical instrument manufacturing industries, all doctors' and nurses' and hospital staff members' salaries and every hospital's construction, utility and maintenance bills. This investment is a way for people to purchase health care in advance, without knowing what kind of procedure they will need. It spreads health risks across the group of people who decide to buy the insurance (which at the very least potentially benefits everyone in the insurance plan). It also spreads an individual's risk across time, which I think is a smart move for an investor.)

      I think all citizens should have the right to choose to make an investment of this nature, and should be able to expect access to health care in return for their investment. I say this partly because the capital costs in this industry are so large, the connection to basic human dignity so deep, and the economies of scale seem like they should work so well that it makes sense for us to view this endeavor as a public service like the interstate and sewer systems or power companies rather than, say, the entertainment industry or the alcohol and recreational drugs industries. I also say this because a person can't know exactly if or how they'll get seriously ill or injured, so it seems like a good idea to be able to contribute to a fund which helps to train doctors in many different techniques and invests those premiums in many different research projects.)

      First of all, I think that access to insurance should be a right of citizenship, just as the right to invest in the stock market is every American's unchallenged right. I think there's another problem, though. It seems to me that the current system of insurance plans with "authorized providers" fractures the free market. What I mean by this is that most doctors can't really compete against each other like other professionals can- people with a specific insurance plan can only see specific doctors, which means they can't "shop around" as in most other free markets. I believe this may result in poor care and relatively slow advances in technology. I say this because I've seen some

    111. Re:Absolutely Not by BadOPCode · · Score: 1

      Since I was zygote i've been smoking cigarettes and crack cocaine. Than one day I read on the side of the pack "Surgeon Generals Warning: This crap can kill you." If it wasn't for that warning I would have never known that tobacco is bad. So as of today I only smoke crack. Think of all the millions of meth heads that didn't get a warning from the Surgeon General. I smell a class action lawsuit against the federal government right there.

    112. Re:Absolutely Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is actually an opportunity for clever marketing. Such warnings if presented properly can provide incentives for people to purchase said device.

      For example if you were selling crack on TV you could interview addicts who talk about their addictions and the joys of using crack cocaine just as long as you abruptly cut them off before they mention anything about how it ruined their lives.

      Unlike crack technology does not have to stop there! One could even go as far as boldly proclaim: I lost my dog, house, car, wife...ad nasueum but at least I still have my "crackberry" and still get a favorable reaction to your product.

      The real problem comes when everyone starts doing the same thing the technique gets old tired and repetitive and looses a great deal of effectiveness.

      While not high-tech -- playing with a barrel of monkeys is more addicting to me than tinkering with cell phones.

      Slashdot itself is actually addictive like watching a trainwreck in slow motition. The same tired ideas and articles.. Death to Microsoft and oh just look what someone got away with patenting today. But for some reason you just can't help but want to come back for more.

    113. Re:Absolutely Not by hesiod · · Score: 1

      Yes, talking about seat belts isn't Offtopic, but pointing out that freedoms are valuable isn't. Whoever modded this offtopic is a fucking moron.

    114. Re:Absolutely Not by Kattspya · · Score: 1

      It's not a failure of the market it's a failure of the people (which is the same thing). People didn't want seathbelts badly enough so they didn't get any. People not behaving rationally or not behaving like you want is not the same as a market failure.

    115. Re:Absolutely Not by notwrong · · Score: 1

      This is a very good point I did forget, though I think it might be because the law works differently where I am from. Although I have also driven in Canada and the US, I have done most of my driving in New Zealand and in New South Wales, Australia. In neither jurisdiction are you likely to personally pay for injuring someone, even if you are at fault.

      In New South Wales, you cannot register (and thus legally drive) a vehicle, unless Compulsory Third Party personal injury insurance has been obtained from an approved insurer. So if you do hurt someone who requires medical care, that is exactly what this insurance is for, and you won't have to personally pay.

      In New Zealand, the right to sue for personal injury has been removed in most circumstances - instead, through levies on fuel, vehicle registration and a few other sources, money is paid into a nationalised compensation scheme: the Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC). If you are injured in an accident (motor vehicle or otherwise), the commission will compensate you, and largely foot the bill for medical expenses. Some one else does not have to be found at fault, though if their driving was dangerous or negligent the police may well charge them.

      In both places, the largely socialised medicine systems also take up a lot of the slack, in terms of who has to pay. As the national medical systems are funded by the taxpayers, and thus managed by the government, the government has a very strong interest in making sure their costs are minimised, quite apart from the general desire to protect people from injury. Thus, compulsory seatbelts.

  2. As if just looking... by StCredZero · · Score: 1

    As if just looking at the folks who play these games isn't warning enough. Oh, wait. They never go out so we can see them!

    (Former Eve Online player here!)

    1. Re:As if just looking... by Yoooder · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...but on the rare occasions that they do they shine like a clean greased albino in a mud-wrestling contest

  3. iPhone by Programmerman · · Score: 1

    In need of warning: "iPhone: Your friends will wonder why you don't talk anymore."

    1. Re:iPhone by EmotionToilet · · Score: 2, Funny

      My girlfriend gets mad that I ignore her all the time now that I have an iPhone. It actually bothers her a lot. They should make some sort of support group. Like iAnonymous.

    2. Re:iPhone by Programmerman · · Score: 1

      Needs something. My co-worker and I used to go out to lunch all the time, have great conversations, generally enjoy our break from the office. Then he got an iPhone. Now he looks down and pokes a lot. I just kind of sigh and think back to how it was in the Good Ole Days.

  4. Heh by Clay+Pigeon+-TPF-VS- · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Oh please, big government, save us from ourselves by outlawing more things! We don't need to be personally accountable for our own actions!

    --
    Viral software licensing is not freedom, it is in fact GNU/Socialism.
    1. Re:Heh by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Oh please, big government, save us from ourselves by outlawing more things! We don't need to be personally accountable for our own actions! Personal accountability requires information. What's being discussed here is not outlawing things, but providing information.
    2. Re:Heh by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly!

      Next time someone wants a Nanny State to provide something to everyone, this should be the response from the crowd. I'd love to see someone say this very thing each and everytime Obama (or Hillary) or McCain mentions a new program to save us from ourselves.

      --
      Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
    3. Re:Heh by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      Actually, government laws are exactly one of the things being discussed EVEN IN THE ARTICLE: "... pressure from outside agencies like governments could be the only way to save us from an addiction epidemic".

      Do people really need "information" to know that, say, reading slashdot all day long at work and/or at home is dysfunctional and unproductive behaviour that'll probably get them fired, probably drive them to ruin, and possibly destroy their relationships? I don't think so. That's common sense.

    4. Re:Heh by aliloln · · Score: 2, Funny

      My box of Kleenex has a warning (no joke): "It is a violation of Federal law to use this product in a manner inconsistent with its labeling. Use only as a facial tissue."

      Makes me wonder what else I could be doing with my Kleenex...

      --
      Question your beliefs.
    5. Re:Heh by Epistax · · Score: 1

      Let me repeat what this guy said, because either you didn't read it or didn't care.

      Personal accountability requires information. What's being discussed here is not outlawing things, but providing information.

      You can reply to me with or without reading that, it doesn't seem to matter to you.

    6. Re:Heh by adminstring · · Score: 2, Informative

      That warning only appears on the special anti-viral Kleenex. The idea is that you should only use it to blow your nose, rather than eating the Kleenex in an attempt to fight off a viral infection, which wouldn't work and might be harmful.

      If you look at the active ingredients (Citric Acid (7.51%) and Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (2.02%)) you'll notice that the average bottle of shampoo contains the exact same active ingredients.

      So basically they're telling you not to eat soap, and that there is a Federal law out there somewhere that says "don't eat soap!"

      Hopefully there isn't a law that says "don't eat paste or crayons" otherwise a good percentage of preschoolers are in violation.

      Mmm, paste!

      --
      My truck is like a series of tubes.
    7. Re:Heh by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      And apparently reading and comprehending anything at all in my post doesn't seem to matter to you. I've double-checked it all and I don't see anything amiss.

    8. Re:Heh by Sentry21 · · Score: 1

      Being a slashdot poster, and thus obviously a geek, I'm sure you already know the answer to that question.

    9. Re:Heh by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      That warning only appears on the special anti-viral Kleenex. Anti viral tissues, cool. You wouldn't want your garbage can to start sneezing in your face...
      (amazed at the inventiveness of the marketing dept. these days)
      --

      May contain traces of nut.
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    10. Re:Heh by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      So basically they're telling you not to eat soap, and that there is a Federal law out there somewhere that says "don't eat soap!"
      Not to nitpick (well, to nitpick a little), it has to do with FDA approval.

      See, those anti-viral Kleenex have been approved by the FDA as an OTC medication.

      Read the labels of any OTC medication you have in your medicine closet. Every single one of them has a statement to the effect that usage in a manner other than as directed by the labeling is a federal offense.

      This is because the FDA regulates what companies can put on the labels of their products. It was originally intended to prevent the snake-oil salesmen out there from taking advantage of an ill-informed public, and to prevent idiots from hurting themselves or others. The use-as-labeled requirement is because the FDA can't test every usage of a product, so they test and approve what is labeled (aside from basic tox tests, etc).
      --
      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
    11. Re:Heh by NerveGas · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Like when those lousy jack-booted thugs tried to tell us that smoking was bad for you, despite the tobacco companies' hirin of doctors to tell us that they were GOOD for us. Stupid gubmint.

      --
      Oh, you're not stuck, you're just unable to let go of the onion rings.
  5. That's not just silly, it's stupid! by itsybitsy · · Score: 0

    It's the person not the tech that has the addictive properties!!!

    It's the person not the gun.

    It's the person not the blackberry.

    It's the person not the _____.

    1. Re:That's not just silly, it's stupid! by somersault · · Score: 1

      It's the person not the heroine?

      --
      which is totally what she said
    2. Re:That's not just silly, it's stupid! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does a female hero have to do with anything?

    3. Re:That's not just silly, it's stupid! by somersault · · Score: 1

      Have you seen her in her spandex outfit?

      --
      which is totally what she said
  6. The obiligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why didn't someone warn me about slashdot?

    1. Re:The obiligatory by CSMatt · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Slashdot should have a big warning on the top of the screen that reads: "WARNING: this site is highly addictive and will cost you hours of lost productivity." I know it has for me.

    2. Re:The obiligatory by naveenoid · · Score: 1

      You must be new here.

  7. No. by Blice · · Score: 0, Troll

    Then there will be debates on what is "habit forming" and what isn't... Eventually, websites will have addiction disclaimers on the fronts; I.E, sites like Slashdot and 4chan.

  8. Fuck that's dumb by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1

    There's no mechanism for physiological addiction. In most cases, I'd say the tech doesn't even create the same brain opiate rush that activities like gambling do. What, should products come with a warning that they're too fun?

    Problem isn't the stuff, it's the people with obsessive personality issues.

    1. Re:Fuck that's dumb by WGFCrafty · · Score: 1

      It is not a opiate rush you feel, it is a dopamine rush. The problem indeed is with people who can't stop. People who half to play their online games before they do their home work, or care for their children. I don't need a label on my games/ect. telling me that I might like them too much.

  9. And where is the warning by ppz003 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    for Slashdot?

  10. How about just a general warning for life? by KublaiKhan · · Score: 1

    It's coming to the point where warning labels are on absolutely everything.

    Why not just have a paper you sign at graduation (and one you sign for your child when it's born) that's a coverall warning for all those little common-sense things that you should know:

    "Life contains hazards. Use at your own risk."

    Yes, some warning labels are necessary--but really, anyone with a grain of common sense and the least bit of personal responsibility should be able to take care of themselves as regards addictions, whether electronic, chemical, or psychological--if they end up addicted, then let 'em have some help with it, by all means, but don't annoy the rest of us with asinine warning labels on everything.

    Besides, at this point, who actually reads warning labels anymore? They're everywhere; to actually bother reading 'em is too much of a hassle for most people. They just fade into the background--does anyone here know how many different "Surgeon General's Warnings" there are for packs of cigarettes? Or that there's more than one?

    --
    In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
    A stately pleasure dome decree
  11. What better way to advertise? by davidwr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Company's lawyerspeak on package: Warning: This product may lead to psychological addiction, not having a life, lack of sleep, and other ill effects.

    Teenage or young adult customer: COOL! I gotta have one of those!

    --
    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
    1. Re:What better way to advertise? by Gat0r30y · · Score: 1

      SNAP! I think you just wrote a bad ass marketing campaign.

      --
      Prediction: The real iPhone killer is going to be sex robots from Japan. Think about it.
  12. Porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just imagine warning labels on every single porn site and movie, talk about killing the mood

  13. Yeah... but it would be simpler if... by hackingbear · · Score: 1
    Yes but the lawyers should just label all electronic/computer hardware and software etc.

    If it is something useful and usable, you would get addict playing with it; if it is not useful or buggy, you might addict trying to improve/fix it.

    And there is no proof that such additions can be avoided.

  14. blah blah blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can quit slashdot any time I want.

    1. Re:blah blah blah by jerry.tk · · Score: 1

      Yes, I also quit Slashdot like twice a day.

  15. Everything fun has addictive properties.... by WGFCrafty · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As long as doing something (gaming, gambling, alcohol, drugs) potentiates the production of dopamine, then it has the potential to cause addiction.

    Doing things you enjoy are fun, usually when you're having fun dopamine levels rise significantly in your brain.

    Dopamine is commonly associated with the pleasure system of the brain, providing feelings of enjoyment and reinforcement to motivate a person proactively to perform certain activities.

    1. Re:Everything fun has addictive properties.... by CSMatt · · Score: 5, Funny

      Then the solution is clear: make life miserable for everyone, all the time.

    2. Re:Everything fun has addictive properties.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hence Microsoft.

    3. Re:Everything fun has addictive properties.... by s74n13y · · Score: 1

      Should Blackberries and come with thoughtful strategy? We should come with advice about the costs of thoughtful strategy. We should all come with a warning associated with advice about our workplace habits. She says Kakabadse. There is doubt whether the production of Northampton University is fun, usually though when you're gathering more data on how to save us from outside agencies like governments it could be only felt directly with enough research. But it seems worth trying to apply a warning label. This is not anyone's fault anymore, it may just be the risk of your next phone. It will come with fast food or restricting email access to learn how to improve productivity and policies. She explains: "Companies offer technologies and stop it." Perhaps your next phone will come with a feeling of information technologies over the costs of having fun and dopamine levels rise significantly in the costs of having more control, it seems. We don't want to know if it's gotta only relate to 60% or reduce costs. But if people react to increased productivity, or restricting email access to cause addiction, then they do. There just hasn't been enough research.

    4. Re:Everything fun has addictive properties.... by WGFCrafty · · Score: 1

      Can you elaborate... I don't quite understand.

    5. Re:Everything fun has addictive properties.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It isn't anybody's fault, that's just the way it is!"
      "We don't know if it's their fault, there's just not enough research!"
      "It's not their fault, it's the dopamine!"

      What a load of fetid crap all of those arguments are.

    6. Re:Everything fun has addictive properties.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I come with news of translator. This and seems broken. Perhaps your next translator will come with a feeling of information technologies over the costs of having fun and dopamine levels rise significantly in the costs of having more control, it seems. Seriously wtf

    7. Re:Everything fun has addictive properties.... by CSMatt · · Score: 1

      Nice bash, but I'm sure that the MS execs are pretty happy with the success of their software.

  16. SURGEON GENERALS WARNING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SURGEON GENERALS WARNING: Iphone batteries contain toxic lead.

    SURGEON GENERALS WARNING: Blackberry use causes obesity, divorce, carpal tunnel syndrome, myopia, and high blood pressure.

    GOVERNMENT WARNING: (1) According to the Surgeon General, infants should not use iphone during pregnancy because of the risk of birth defects. (2) Use of Iphone impairs your ability to drive a car or operate machinery and may cause marital problems.

  17. Personal Responsibility by Doomstalk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personally, if there's any addictive activity that I think should have a warning associated with it, it's foisting responsibility off on another person or object. Nothing is anyone's fault anymore, it seems.

    1. Re:Personal Responsibility by the_real_valaki · · Score: 1

      then why don't we issue some sort of a warning to those who like to have some plain old fashion "fun"?

    2. Re:Personal Responsibility by popmaker · · Score: 2, Funny

      We should put warning stickers on hot women!

    3. Re:Personal Responsibility by slashdot4ever · · Score: 1

      That is one of the downsides of modern science, we are moving more and more towards determinism where people are just products of their environment or genes and no one is responsible, kinda sad really.

  18. They might be on to something by Yoooder · · Score: 1

    I've been addicted to popping bubble-wrap since I was a kid. Put me any where near the stuff and I twist, tear, and jump on the stuff to the point I exhaust myself and forget to keep up relationships or do my work (I used to be a shipping clerk, that was a bad idea). Since it's been seen as so innocent for so long though people won't see the dangers, so I believe we should warn people of addictive inventions. Lets be the Amish 2.0 and say "good enough" to things right now!

  19. This is really dumb... by Kral_Blbec · · Score: 0

    I really cant see myself or anyone getting addicted to using any electronic device. Games, of course, but an addiction to using a phone/PDA? Get real. The only time I use my own is when I am actually working on it, or when i am very very bored waiting for something. I have a few games on my PDA, but they only are fun for about 10 minutes before I get bored. I doubt many people huddle in their basement browsing their contact list for hours on end.

    1. Re:This is really dumb... by Nullav · · Score: 1

      Even then, aren't most addictive substances banned/covered in warning labels because they pose a health risk? I'm sorry, but I've never seen anyone desperately clinging to a PS2, nor have I ever been hurt by my cellphone (even at those sad, low points in my life where I just have to play Tetris for those few, pathetic minutes).
      In short: This is on par with oxygen addiction.

      --
      I just read Slashdot for the articles.
  20. Yes... by AxemRed · · Score: 1

    If they're going to put health warnings about the possibility of addiction on casinos, beer and chocolate, to name a few things... or even Qdoba, my own personal demon. ;) That's not even mentioning things that are physiologically addictive. Coffee anyone?

    1. Re:Yes... by Yoooder · · Score: 1

      Don't get me going on Qdoba, I ate there so much as a student they sent me a sweatshirt for being a top-10 customer. MMmmmm makes me want a 1/2 chicken 1/2 steak queso burrito w/ verde & habenero salso, green tabasco cheese and sourcream, all grilled and busting at the seams and what not. *hungry now, thanks!*

    2. Re:Yes... by AxemRed · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have never had a half-chicken, half-steak! I know what I'm eating for dinner now...

    3. Re:Yes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stopped eating at Qdoba when they caved into pressure from Z-Tejas for being named Zteca.
      I think it's frivolous to threaten someone like that, but I think it's unacceptably irresponsible to cave in to mere threats.

    4. Re:Yes... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Anyone who's been inside a nevada casino has seen the smarmy, "When the fun stops..." brochures.

      Yes, there are warnings inside nevada casinos saying that gambling is addictive and to stop.

      Unfortunately, they're all at the casino cashier cage...

      the simple fact is, we understand free will, willpower, addiction, etc. far more than we did when the libertarian/protestant idea of personal responsibility formed. Yes, you have the personal responsibility to stop. But if you go into an activity that's KNOWN to cause addiction-like behavior, and no one tells you, that's their fault. When you do it when you know about it, it's your fault.

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      Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
  21. the slashdot effect by the_real_valaki · · Score: 1

    i think its time to issue some sort of a warning to all those F5 beaters who refresh, ahem.. read slashdot instead of bashing some xls in their favorite cubicle.

  22. DO NOT WANT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quit /.?
    Nooooooooooo!!!

  23. I'm worried about the Beaver by zazenation · · Score: 2, Funny

    June Cleaver: "Ward, I caught Beaver and Wally using a blackberry behind the garage --- What should We do about it?"
    Ward Cleaver: "I'll talk to him about it"

    Later that day

    Ward: "Beaver, your mother said she say you and Wally behind the garage using a blackberry. What do you have to say about yourself?"
    Beav: "Gee dad, Wally and I were just seeing what it was like. All the kids at school have tried blackberries --- Some even use it at school!"
    Ward: "I don't care what the other boys at school are doing. If all the other kids were smoking giant ganja bud spleefs while wearing bellbottoms and tea-shades, would you follow them?"
    Beve: "Nah, I guess not dad. I'm sorry. I'll go ask wally to flush that blackberry down the toilet before we get into more trouble with it. I learned my lesson. Thanks dad."
    Ward:'OK son. Now get Wally over here so I can ask him what he and Eddie Haskell were doing with that gallon of Mazola and 15 boxes of golf balls in the basement ..."

  24. Evolution by joaommp · · Score: 1

    I have been more and more accostumed to always get more... for example, with cell phones... they come simple, then they add another feature, and if you actually start using that feature, you will not want a simpler one again... and this becomes recursive. It is, in fact kind of addictive.

    If we think historically, most of today's citizens of urbanized and developed areas hardly would be able to go back and actually live in the conditions of our ancestors.

    I, for one, have a hard time dealing with situations where I have no connectivity to internet. I can barely manage it if I have a laptop where I can at least do some work.

    That's my point of view to addictiveness of technology. In a certain way, it is the addictiveness of the evolution we inflicted in ourselves.

    1. Re:Evolution by WGFCrafty · · Score: 1

      De-evolving back to our ancestors would destroy our way of life. I don't think anyone wants to leave their house to go take a dump in a smelly box outside, as the rain beats down.

    2. Re:Evolution by milsoRgen · · Score: 1

      I don't think anyone wants to leave their house to go take a dump in a smelly box outside, as the rain beats down. Obviously you've never played the game HTD (Hide The Dump), bonus points for heater vents and pillow cushions!. Even dump taking in extreme conditions can have addictive quality... I mean look at at those boys from CKY and Jackass...
      --
      I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask where they're goin' and hook up with 'em later.
    3. Re:Evolution by WGFCrafty · · Score: 1

      Hah, too bad I posted in this thread, so I can't mod you funny mannnn.

  25. Do warnings actually work? by Hatta · · Score: 1

    Before taking a measure to fix a problem, one should first know whether that measure will actually fix the problem in question. It's not enough to look like you're doing something, real solutions are supported by data. A priori, it seems reasonable that a warning label would discourage people, but people need to read them, think about them, and then decide to follow them. As we see with cigarettes, some people have trouble doing that. There may even be some segment of the population that disobeys warnings just to be contrary. Is there any data out there on how effective warning labels actually are?

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    1. Re:Do warnings actually work? by icegreentea · · Score: 1

      It protects you from being sued (in some cases). Echoing some of the other comments in the thread, slapping warming labels on stuff that may cause psychological addiction is just silly, as it's really nothing than the want to do something FUN. On the other hand, you have things which are actually chemically addictive, or actually do pose some sort of danger. While one can argue the extent that such labels and warnings should be employed, the very idea that responsible choice requires information, means that some degree of labeling and warning is required. Sometimes comprehensive research on a product beforehand is just not possible, or practical.

    2. Re:Do warnings actually work? by TopSpin · · Score: 2, Funny

      first know whether that measure will actually fix the problem in question The problem in question isn't the real problem. Start by discovering the real problem. The real problem is liability. The question will be answered by the massive judgment handed down by some judge and/or jury, forming a precedent mandating a fix, regardless of whether it impacts 'injury' rates. Since almost anyone's life can be valuated into the millions (for the purpose of calculating legal commission or whatever Latin they wrap it in,) by any one of millions of lawyers, the preceding is inevitable.

      It's not enough to look like you're doing something Actually it is, once you understand the real problem. Placing a barely legible sticker on the back corner of some dangerous machine with amps and spinning bits of metal is sufficient to preclude most liability. The appearance of doing something, while actually doing nothing at all is sufficient.

      After that it's just you and Darwin, stuck together by a mass of warning labels. Enjoy!

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    3. Re:Do warnings actually work? by Digi-John · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A priori, it seems reasonable that a warning label would discourage people, but people need to read them, think about them, and then decide to follow them. As we see with cigarettes, some people have trouble doing that.

      So you've just decided that all "normal" people would decide "Hmm, the Surgeon General warned me, better not smoke!", rather than weighing the risks and deciding that the pleasure obtained through smoking was worth it? Remember--a decision is only a smart, *informed* decision if it's the same one you approve of! Everyone who decides otherwise is just brainwashed.

      Who wants to live to be 90?

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    4. Re:Do warnings actually work? by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: 1

      Who wants to live to be 90?

      Most 89 year olds, I would imagine.
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    5. Re:Do warnings actually work? by Digi-John · · Score: 1

      Grandpa: How would you like to make a dollar Billy?
      Stan: My name's not Billy grandpa, it's Stan.
      Grandpa: Dammit Billy, do you want a dollar or don't ya?
      Stan: Sure.
      Grandpa: Ok. You just have to do one thing for me.
      Stan: I'm not gonna kill you grandpa.
      Grandpa: Why not?
      Stan: 'Cause, I'll get in trouble.
      Grandpa: I killed my grandpa when I was your age.
      Stan: Leave me alone grandpa.
      Grandpa: What has America's youth come to? Kids won't even kill their own grandparents.

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  26. Wait... by wattrlz · · Score: 1

    When did they start putting warning labels on fast food? Is fast food addictive?

  27. WARNING by Gat0r30y · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Useful tools may be useful. In fact you may find the need to incorporate them into your daily life. Electronic communication tools such as "e-mail" and 'the internets' (A.K.A. the tubes) may also be found to significantly improve productivity. Use with extreme caution.

    Bender: Don't worry I don't have an addictive personality - chugs beer, puffs cigar, jacks on

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    1. Re:Warning by theeddie55 · · Score: 1

      should you feel the urge to correct my spelling of perceive, please tell me and I'll give you a number for someone who can help.

  28. obl. quote by stormguard2099 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "with a warning label this big you know it's gotta be fun!"
    Warning: this quote is for hardcore fans only. If you can only relate 60% or less of your daily life to a futurama quote then please disregard this post

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    1. Re:obl. quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can already see the gaming companies' advertisings: "It's so good it's been classified as addictive. Out now in selected stores."

  29. WARNING Cape Does Not Enable Wearer to Fly! by wsanders · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why don't we just put a warning on everything!

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    1. Re:WARNING Cape Does Not Enable Wearer to Fly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Warning: Suggesting that we put warning labels on everything is found to cause some people to listen to you.

  30. Wow... by Otter · · Score: 1
    We don't want to be in a situation in a few years similar to that with fast food or tobacco today.

    Apparently the nanny staters have proceeded to the point where their nonsense about fast food isn't no longer a scare tactic, but the benchmark by which to define some new scare tactic!

  31. absolutely by jonpublic · · Score: 1

    Absolutely. I'd like those two years I played warcraft back.

    Alcoholism runs in my family. It was pretty easy enough to avoid that potential fall. I had no idea that warcraft was just as addictive. I'm not saying everyone who plays warcraft is addicted or prone to it, but I certainly was. I'd get the shakes if I stopped playing for a while.

    You can say its my personal responsibility to limit my game playing time. I don't disagree, but when you are addicted to something its very difficult to stop. Call it a flaw in my personality, or whatever, but I think a warning would go along way to letting people know of potential problems and allow them to make good decisions ahead of time.

    I think that the warcraft addiction is much like gambling. pull lever get purple.

    1. Re:absolutely by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      so you want a warning on -everything- that says "If you lack will power please don't buy this product"? please give me a break. less blame shifting is not what the world needs.

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    2. Re:absolutely by jonpublic · · Score: 1

      I don't want it on every product. Just on alcohol, tobacco, places of gambling and MMORGs.

      Its not a lack of will power, its serious. All I want is some sort of warning to avoid a potentially problem for myself. Its not blame shifting, its a heads up so I can make good choices and avoid something I am prone to.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction

    3. Re:absolutely by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      That's what YOU want and only what YOU want. It's utterly selfish because it's only based on what you think would keep you from getting addicted and not even what is capable of getting you addicted. What about the guy addicted to caffeine? What about the guy addicted to fantasy sports? what about the guy addicted to starcraft (ie: see South Korea)? What about the guy addicted to some tv show (I'm sure they exist)? What about the guy addicted to anime? What about the guy addicted to sex?

    4. Re:absolutely by General+Melchett · · Score: 0
      I'm not sure why I'm compelled to comment here, usually i'd just let this go, but something in this (Rakishi's) comment really pissed me off. It might be the block caps, it might be because it's 4 a-fecking-m, but seriously, whats your problem? The guy was suggesting something that may have helped him avoid shitting away 2 years of his life, explain to me please how that's selfish? If an addiction warning lable could have helped him, then odds are, it would have helped someone else, and if not, then really no harm done and who gives a shit, eh?

      It's utterly selfish because it's only based on what you think would keep you from getting addicted and not even what is capable of getting you addicted. Not quite sure I understand this sentence. It quite clearly was/is capable of getting him and others addicted, and of course its based on what he thinks would help him, what else was he gonna suggest? Basically, as far as I can tell, warning lables on addictive shit is a good idea. Be it gambling/wow, whatever. People dropping their lives, cash, home, jobs, family or anything else for that matter on this stuff is good for neither them nor society in general, and any reduction of it is fine by me.
    5. Re:absolutely by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure why I'm compelled to comment here, usually i'd just let this go, but something in this (Rakishi's) comment really pissed me off. It might be the block caps, it might be because it's 4 a-fecking-m, but seriously, whats your problem? The guy was suggesting something that may have helped him avoid shitting away 2 years of his life, explain to me please how that's selfish? If an addiction warning lable could have helped him, then odds are, it would have helped someone else, and if not, then really no harm done and who gives a shit, eh? Someone said that logically that would mean putting a label on EVERYTHING. He said no, he only wants labels on things that he thinks right now he may get addicted to. That is selfishness. He only cares about himself and believes that everything should be changed for his sake and ONLY his sake. Likewise the fact that logically you'd need to put labels on a lot of other things that are addictive to other people doesn't seem too occur or matter to him, apparently those other people are not worth helping.

      Not quite sure I understand this sentence. It quite clearly was/is capable of getting him and others addicted, and of course its based on what he thinks would help him, what else was he gonna suggest? Basically, as far as I can tell, warning lables on addictive shit is a good idea. Be it gambling/wow, whatever. People dropping their lives, cash, home, jobs, family or anything else for that matter on this stuff is good for neither them nor society in general, and any reduction of it is fine by me. EVERYTHING can be addictive to someone, warning labels are pointless because you'd need one on everything. I gave a giant list in my post, let me add to it now: porn, blackberries, email, internet and cellphones.
  32. No, Thanks by susano_otter · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure the problem is the Blackberry. I have one, and far from being addicted to it, I ignore the motherfucker as much as possible.

    Maybe we should just affix a single, generic warning label to everything. "Health Warning: Due to the possibility that you are a thoughtless jackass, unthinking jackassery on your part might arise from use of this object. On the other hand, if you actually are a thoughtless jackass, you probably won't read this warning, or care about it if you do read it. Luckily, it's pretty much a free country, so jackass or not, do whatever you like with this object."

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  33. TV considered harmful, by the Surgeon General by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: The Surgeon General Has Determined that Watching Television is Dangerous to your Health.
    SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Women Who are Pregnant or Nursing Should Not Watch Television.
    SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING:Television May Result in AD(H)D, Premature Laziness, and Decreased Brain Function.
    SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Quitting Television Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks to Your Intelligence.
    SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Television Contains Advertisements.

    1. Re:TV considered harmful, by the Surgeon General by popmaker · · Score: 1

      Hahaha! I actually agree with the one on the advertisements. :D

  34. Ground Up by milsoRgen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Either way it's pathetic, and no warning label will fix it. It occurs to me everyone goes after the symptoms, never the problem them selves. We need to focusing on raising well adjusted physically fit people, that would drastically reduce the likelihood of any form of addiction. But I'm sure blowing research money on warning labels is just as good...
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    1. Re:Ground Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either way it's pathetic, and no warning label will fix it. It occurs to me everyone goes after the symptoms, never the problem them selves. We need to focusing on raising well adjusted physically fit* people, that would drastically reduce the likelihood of any form of addiction. But I'm sure blowing research money on warning labels is just as good... *Warning: Exercise can be addictive.

      Just protecting your back ;-)
    2. Re:Ground Up by andruk · · Score: 0

      That makes too much sense for the average human to comprehend.

      Warning: Reading Slashdot, include this post, may be addicting. Consult your physician before attempting any visual or mental exercise. Seek medical attention if you find yourself unable to concentrate on anything else. By reading this post, or any part of it, including, but not limited to this warning, you agree to hold blameless and without fault the creators, designers, and maintainers of Slashdot, as well as the author of this post.

      Warning: Breathing may be addicting, consult a a medical professional before attempting any physical exercise, including, but not limited to, sitting, laying down, operating a computer, moving your eyes, or reading. Side effects may include death.

      Seriously though. Cigarette companies had plenty of evidence from their studies that nicotene was addictive (as far as I know, the most addictive substance known to humans), yet they tried to hide this fact from everybody, and outright denied it to an investigative panel. Blackberries, as far as I know, contain no chemically addicting materials, and are therefore immune from prosecution, especially if the maker doesn't (really) know of any addictive side-effects.

      What the hell do I know, though.

    3. Re:Ground Up by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      We need to focusing on raising well adjusted physically fit people, that would drastically reduce the likelihood of any form of addiction. But I'm sure blowing research money on warning labels is just as good...

      It's easier, that's why.

      Just like yesterday with Congress thinking of buying out that banking patent for a billion taxpayer dollars instead of reforming the actual patent system to prevent the abuse.

      Stickers and labels are much easier than trying to change people's behavior.
    4. Re:Ground Up by Cairnarvon · · Score: 1

      Physical fitness does not reduce the incidence of psychological addiction, and "well-adjusted" isn't exactly easy to quantify. Even if you did have a standard for that, raising people to meet it is far from feasible.

    5. Re:Ground Up by Jessta · · Score: 1

      It occurs to me everyone goes after the symptoms, never the problem them selves. We need to focusing on raising well adjusted physically fit people, that would drastically reduce the likelihood of any form of addiction. I'd have to agree. Addiction is generally caused by the person having nothing better to do. If you are addicted to a blackberry then you should probably just keep doing that as you don't seem to have the creativity required to think of something else to do.
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    6. Re:Ground Up by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Bah, those other people are just addicted to having something better to do.

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    7. Re:Ground Up by kent_eh · · Score: 1
      Consider this a +1 insightful from a guy who doesn't have any mod points today


      Of course the alternative to your suggestion is to identify people who are particularly addictable.

      "Warning this person has no self control. Please keep addictive substances away."

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  35. OK, so I avoid this new tech because by Babu+'God'+Hoover · · Score: 1

    I've been warned that it might be addicting. Some years later we learn that it isn't addicting at all. However, the avoidance has cost me enormously in opportunity.

    I'll suggest a simple symbolic warning label.
    A smoking cigarette.
    It's been beat into our heads how bad that is for a good 20 years.

    edebris bonus!
    Public education needs to get back to the basics.
    How to cross a street.
    How to handle a gun.
    How to behave around dogs and other animals.
    How to behave in general.
    How to cross railroad tracks.
    How to identify a blasting cap.
    How to dress a chicken.

    1. Re:OK, so I avoid this new tech because by mrv20 · · Score: 1

      You're absolutely right. It's high time fashion advice for poultry was made a central part of the curriculum.

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  36. It's something most of us have dealt with by rastoboy29 · · Score: 1

    I, like many slashdotters, was a fairly early adopter of computer and internet technology.  In the mid 90's I had a couple-year spell of IRC addiction.  The I realized what a dumb waste of time it was and got over it.

    I think the general population is just going through a similar phase, now, that many of us went through years ago.

    Of course, there are always those without any common sense who don't realize their lives are being ruined by Crackberries, WoW, or some other thing which isn't really as good or fun as it seems at first.

  37. A bit different by Itninja · · Score: 1

    similar to that with fast food or tobacco today
    These examples can and do markedly, and sometimes drastically, shorten ones lifespan. I don't know of any tech toy that can do that. Dying from heart disease or lung cancer isn't really the same thing as carpel tunnel syndrome caused by crackberries or loss of hearing from an iPod.
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    1. Re:A bit different by jweller · · Score: 1

      I'm certain that my text message addicted friends habit of texting while driving has the ability to "markedly, and sometimes drastically, shorten ones lifespan"

      I'd rather be in a car with a drunk

  38. Just like everything else... by abc_los · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As with everything else in life, you should exercise moderation. Anything enjoyable can be addictive, whether it be a drug, sex, video games, or an electronic gadget. It's all in the responsibility of the user/consumer. I'm addicted to Call of Duty and accept full responsibility of a ruined social life.

    1. Re:Just like everything else... by turing_m · · Score: 1

      "As with everything else in life, you should exercise moderation."

      Except, moderation doesn't work with addiction. An alcoholic can't have a bottle of alcohol in their house without drinking it. An addicted smoker can't have a cigarette and a lighter without smoking it (unless they've just had a fix). Someone addicted to WOW can't have an account and a computer without watching the sun come up as it gets time to go to work and thinking "Oh, crap."

      Those who can do the moderation thing either aren't addicted or are only addicted slightly. Education of the consumer means that those with addictive personalities can get a heads up so that they don't try and fail the moderation thing.

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  39. I think a great first step... by Secret+Rabbit · · Score: 1

    ... is to keep Administrators with fucking retarded ideas like this out of our lives. Perhaps tattooing a warning on there forehead like, "Warning, this is an Administrator and will needlessly complicate and inconvenience your life if only by wasting profound amounts of your time." Well, perhaps more then there forehead, but who cares. They're just Administrators and deserve what they (should) get.

  40. Warning label by edwardpickman · · Score: 1

    "Do not attempt to swallow gaming disk or insert it nasally, into the ear canal or rectally. Oh and using said disk for gaming may be addictive."

    Hey at least they make nice coasters.

  41. If we use the Wii as an example by pembo13 · · Score: 1

    We can see that warnings just don't work that well. Using a strap that comes attached to a new device that you just got _should_ be intuitive. Nintendo plastered warnings about doing this wherever possible. Yet, a noticeable portion of Wii users still managed to bypass these warnings and do damage, and then complain about said damage.

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  42. Addictive Devices and You by Jekler · · Score: 1

    The idea is crap. I don't even know how these ideas get out of someone's mouth without setting warnings off in the brain's "Bad Idea" filter. Like any good programmer, people need to treat warnings as errors and fix them before they infect the whole system.

    As a society, we don't need more babysitting. Leave us the hell alone.

    We're turning into Demolition Man. I can't believe I live in a society that could produce such a poignant story and fail to grasp the meaning of it. Britain wants to ban salt, we've already banned trans fatty acids, we have our leaders preaching that their should be limits on free speech, cigarettes have almost reached criminal status, and it's illegal to treat terminally ill patients with marijuana, god forbid they miss out on all the pain and anguish of slow deterioration. Yet we're still talking about what other areas need restricting. I'll decide what's good for me and however I end up, it's on me. Big brother can piss off.

  43. Horrible Story by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 1

    To equate "habit-forming" to addictive substances in really rude and incosiderate to those who suffer from real addictions like tabacco, alcohol or drugs. These addictions are life threatening, and are biological addictions, not habits.

    Second, are these devices the source of the addiction? Aren't we addicted to what these devices "can do for us", as opposed to, "are". We are addicted to communication, information, and entertainment. Anything that enables these natural pleasures will get used. But to say the blackberry or cell phone brings a new addictive ingredient to the mix, seems a bit awkward. We are addicted to "being able to get the news whenever we want", and not "being able to transmit data packets over the airwaves".

    Further, it turns out that those unfortunate people who do get diagnosed with conditions such as "internet addiction", usually have underlying issues like depression, or escapism. Nothing about the internet or handhelds will cause a normal person to loose control of their senses or their lives.

    1. Re:Horrible Story by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      YESSSSS!!!!!!!!

      Someone gets it! Someone on /. actually understands clearly that physiological addiction is a BIOCHEMICAL PROCESS, whereas habit-forming 'psychological addiction' is a (surprise!) psychological process.

      Drives me nuts when people talk about addiction without knowing what the word means.

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  44. Simply, no by matchlight · · Score: 1

    There is nothing special about a Blackberry. It is a device that can be used as a phone and a very simplistic internet device. I have one, and it is not even close to the habit forming level of cigarettes, drugs or alcohol. If you need a warning label for a Blackberry then you fail at life.

  45. Warnings are Nutty But Addiction is Real by pileated · · Score: 1

    I'm with the person who complained that no one seems to be held responsible for their own actions anymore and so a warning has to be given to avoid legal liability. This is nutty.

    But the addictiveness of recent technology is I think unquestionable. Probably the best antidote to it though is public discussion not required warnings. Personally I prefer mockery. I don't say that to be mean. I just think that it is one of the most effective tools for changing social behavior. Once Davie Letterman or someone similar starts poking fun at someone or something no one wants to be seen with that person or doing that something. So enough jokes about how silly adults look in meetings pecking away two-thumbed at their blackberries might be more helpful than anything else in at least getting the possibly addicted to step back and look at their habit. As I said I do think light mockery is the most effective means. Barring that just talking about it as in this thread has got to be more helpful than warnings.

  46. Nothing better to do. by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 1

    It only appears like an addiction. When actually we just have nothing better to do.
    If work was more fun than playing with our blackberries and iphones and web surfing, we'd be all for it. And we'd be "addicted" to our work.

  47. You have it all twisted by Bane1998 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's a lot of posts about why we shouldn't have warning labels if they don't protect the person, or if the person doesn't listen, etc. I think everyone is missing the point. Warning labels are not about protecting the reader. It's about protecting the person who made the product. I like to think we as a society aren't so stupid as to think warning labels make a difference. Everyone knows they don't. To keep pointing out the obvious that they won't stop anyone from doing something stupid and expecting the system to change is a complete failure to understand the system.

    Warning labels exist not because a woman was stupid and burned her lap with hot coffee. She was stupid. Everyone knows that. They exist because she decided to sue and wasn't laughed out of court. She wasn't laughed out of court because everyone likes to attack the big companies. Because if yer on a jury with this poor burned woman on one side, and a megacorporation on the other, yer going to make the coorporation pay just because it's the liberal-ish thing to do. And so now companies have to protect themselves. I would too, if some person could sue me for a hundred billion gajillion USD. I'd put warning labels on every single thing I made.

    When you see a warning label, replace 'warning' with 'disclaimer' and suddenly the whole system makes a lot more sense. Warning labels are not indicative of a nanny state or anything like that, it's indicative of there being a huge risk of someone deciding to sue you, and actually winning.

    1. Re:You have it all twisted by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      I think everyone is missing the point. Warning labels are not about protecting the reader. It's about protecting the person who made the product.

      I think you missed something. Blackberry's legal team isn't saying, "let's put a warning label on our product" as an ass-covering move. The article says that "researchers studying technology addiction" are the ones who are suggesting doing this.

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    2. Re:You have it all twisted by rtechie · · Score: 1

      I think he's trying to imply that these researchers are "fronting" for technology companies. I think he's wrong. University academics in Europe tend to promote all sorts of weird ideas about personal technology, like cell phones causing brain cancer, because academics in Europe have a strong luddite/anti-corporate streak. These are the same idiots attacking "frankenfoods".

    3. Re:You have it all twisted by dwandy · · Score: 1

      which is why I think ultimately the "South Park" disclaimer will be on everything, as in: ...and as such should not be viewed by anyone. So all products might contain something like "This product is unsuitable for any use" which isn't much of a stretch if you've read a software license...

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    4. Re:You have it all twisted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Warning labels exist not because a woman was stupid and burned her lap with hot coffee. She was stupid. Everyone knows that.

      The coffee was way too hot. That was the problem which got McDs accused of comparative negligence.

      > a hundred billion gajillion USD

      She got about .6 million.

    5. Re:You have it all twisted by neochubbz · · Score: 4, Informative

      FYI, That woman was a 79 year old woman who suffered third degree burns, and was only originally suing to cover her medical costs. Keep it in perspective.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald's_coffee_case

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    6. Re:You have it all twisted by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 1

      He is making a point about people who assume warning labels are to protect users. The researchers in this article are also some of these people.

    7. Re:You have it all twisted by OverflowingBitBucket · · Score: 2, Informative

      Warning labels exist not because a woman was stupid and burned her lap with hot coffee. She was stupid. Everyone knows that. They exist because she decided to sue and wasn't laughed out of court. She wasn't laughed out of court because everyone likes to attack the big companies. Because if yer on a jury with this poor burned woman on one side, and a megacorporation on the other, yer going to make the coorporation pay just because it's the liberal-ish thing to do. And so now companies have to protect themselves. I would too, if some person could sue me for a hundred billion gajillion USD. I'd put warning labels on every single thing I made.

      I see people post this same misinformation over and over. Frivolous lawsuits and stupid warning labels have been around much longer than the McDonald's coffee case.

      To save you future embarrassment, I'd suggest reading into a little into it. Here are some starting points:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald's_coffee_case
      http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm
      http://www.centerjd.org/free/mythbusters-free/MB_mcdonalds.htm

      And more:

      http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mcdonalds+coffee+case&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

      This case is not the poster child of frivolous lawsuits that many people think it is.

    8. Re:You have it all twisted by darkfire5252 · · Score: 5, Informative
      Sigh. I get tired of people using the McDonalds coffee lawsuit as an example. Yes, there are lots of frivolous law suits and suing these days, but this case wasn't one of them. A quick google for "mcdonalds coffee sue" turns up a page with the actual facts as the first result. From http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0122-11.htm :

      • 79 year old Stella Liebeck suffered third degree burns on her groin and inner thighs while trying to add sugar to her coffee at a McDonalds drive through. Third degree burns are the most serious kind of burn.
      • There were at least 700 previous cases of scalding coffee incidents at McDonalds before Liebeck's case. [Cases implying actual civil claims, not complaints]
      • Lawyers found that McDonalds makes its coffee 30-50 degrees hotter than other restaurants, about 190 degrees. The Shriner Burn Institute had previously warned McDonalds not to serve coffee above 130 degrees. Doctors testified that it only takes 2-7 seconds to cause a third degree burn at 190 degrees.
      • The jury came back with a decision- $160,000 for compensatory damages. But because McDonalds was guilty of "willful, reckless, malicious or wanton conduct" punitive damages were also applied. The jury set the award at $2.7 million, but the judge cut it in half.
      • McDonald's coffee is now sold at the same temperature as most other restaurants.
      So, the woman sued because she suffered severe burns. The jury awarded damages based on the damage she suffered, and then awarded punitive damages because it was clear that McDonalds knewe there was a problem, had seen the consequences of this problem and been warned before, and still did not take the relatively simple corrective measure that would prevent severe burns from their product.

      Company knowingly does potentially harmful act. Act harms woman. Woman sues company. Company is penalized and corrects their behavior. Isn't that exactly how the system is supposed to work?
    9. Re:You have it all twisted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, if you were to look up the details of that famous McDonalds lawsuit, you would see that McDonalds was keeping their coffee a good 20 C higher than their competitors, and even after someone received third degree burns the company did not change it. If you're an 80 year old woman, and spill coffee in your lap, you do not expect to get burns requiring skin grafts. Further, had she not sued, then what would motivate McDonalds to change its policy? (and institute warning labels)

      Also, most of the damages were reversed on appeal - she got a few hundred thousand. (I seem to recall McDonalds makes something like 13 million A DAY from sales of it's coffee alone - don't ask me why, its like weak brownish water) But please, keep repeating it ad nauseaum even though I heard this all before on Slashdot. Liberal-ish thing to do? No, it was the human thing to do, and thats why the judgement was in her favor.

      However, I do not expect to see a rash of lawsuits about email addiction - good luck proving ill effects - so though IANAL, I think it is safe to say that this is overzealous, putting warning labels on devices like the Blackberry.

    10. Re:You have it all twisted by merlinokos · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's worse than that. The coffee was kept that hot by corporate order. They knew it would burn people, but the argument that it's for commuters was always put forward. That, of course, makes no sense, since the same coffee is brewed for people sitting down in the store.

      From the parent's link:

      Evidence presented to the jury

      During the case, Liebeck's attorneys discovered that McDonald's required franchises to serve coffee at 180-190 F (82-88 C). At that temperature, the coffee would cause a third-degree burn in two to seven seconds.

      WTF? You think that's reasonable?

    11. Re:You have it all twisted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, no, the McDonald's suit was frivolous.

      Look up good coffee makers and good coffee practice and check how hot they keep the coffee. The recommended serving temperature is 180F - the temperature that McDonalds was using!

      Needless to say you're not expected to drink it at that temperature, but once the coffee starts cooling down it will start to get more and more bitter. If you've ever allowed coffee to sit around all day you'll know just how bitter.

      To keep the coffee fresh, it should be kept between 180F-200F, and served at that temperature. My coffee maker automatically keeps the coffee this hot. That does mean that I have to be careful not to spill it on me and have to let it sit for a while after pouring, but that's to be expected - that's how coffee is meant to be served!

      Lowering the temperature makes the coffee worse. McDonalds was following the correct process for serving coffee. The lady should have allowed the coffee to sit before trying to open it.

      Hot coffee is supposed to be hot, period.

    12. Re:You have it all twisted by Theaetetus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Warning labels exist not because a woman was stupid and burned her lap with hot coffee. She was stupid. Everyone knows that. They exist because she decided to sue and wasn't laughed out of court. She wasn't laughed out of court because everyone likes to attack the big companies. Because if yer on a jury with this poor burned woman on one side, and a megacorporation on the other, yer going to make the coorporation pay just because it's the liberal-ish thing to do. And so now companies have to protect themselves. I would too, if some person could sue me for a hundred billion gajillion USD. I'd put warning labels on every single thing I made.
      You've probably heard about this stupid greedy woman who was driving in her sports car and decided to spill coffee all over herself, resulting in her eyes lighting up in dollar signs and suing for several million dollars, right?
      Well, allow me to introduce you to facts. Facts, meet Bane.

      McDonalds served their coffee at 190 degrees Fahrenheit, 50 degrees more than home coffee is served, and 40 degrees more than is recommended by the National Association of Coffee Manufacturers. McDonald's own expert witness testified at the trial that 190 degree coffee is undrinkable, that it would result in severe napalm-like burns to the throat, and that it could cause scalding on unprotected skin in 6 seconds.

      Now, along comes this grandmother, who wasn't driving. She was in the passenger seat of her nephew's car. She gets a cup of coffee and they pull over and park. I repeat, the car was at a complete stop. The car has no cup holders, so she holds it between her legs and pops the top off. The flimsy cup they were using back then collapsed, and the coffee spilled onto her sweatpants, which wicked the 190 degree coffee to her legs and held it there. She got 3rd-degree burns - those are the ones where the skin chars and dies, all the way to the bone - and spent weeks in the hospital while they pulled dead skin off with tweezers. Seriously.

      Did she sue? No, not originally. She went to McDonalds and asked for help paying her $20,000 medical bills. They refused. That's when she sued. And she didn't sue for millions, she asked for medical bills and costs.

      So, the jury heard the case and found that she was partly at fault. They awarded her medical bills and court costs and legal fees, about $200k, and then the judge reduced the award due to her contributory negligence.

      So, where did the millions come in? The jury was so horrified at McDonalds own testimony, including their leaked internal memos where they said, "we'll have to pay about a hundred thousand a year in settlements to burned people, but we'll sell several million more in coffee, so keep it at 190 degrees, even though it's unsafe to drink." At the time of the trial, they had settled 200 prior burn cases, including one person who died, and knew about hundreds more. And yet, rather than reduce their coffee temperature, they figured they could just settle cheaply. So the jury awarded $2.3M in damages, two days' profits on coffee.

      Know what else you haven't heard? The judge reduced the punitive damages to $600k, and McDonalds didn't even pay that: they threatened to appeal, and rather than go through another trial, the woman agreed to a lower settlement. No one knows how much, but odds are it was around the original $200k.

      So, cut the bullshiat about this "greedy stupid woman". Slashdotters are supposed to be more shrewd and more cynical than to blindly listen to what a corporation tells them to believe.

    13. Re:You have it all twisted by Shotgun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sigh. I get tire of people trotting out the same old excuses for a stupid woman.

      Get this straight, "You DON'T hold hot coffee between your legs to add sugar while driving a car." Intelligent people refer to such actions as STUPID, usually with an adjunct such as, "You'll spill hot coffee in your lap, knucklehead." Intelligent adults don't look to the court system to pamper them when they do something stupid, like playing with hot coffee in your lap while operating a motor vehicle, especially when you have the reduce physical reactions of an octogenarian.

      McDonald's served thier coffee hot, because that is what customers wanted. That's called RUNNING A CUSTOMER FOCUSSED BUSINESS. My father would go out of his way to buy his coffee from McDonald's, just because they served it hot.

      Sears knowingly sells tablesaws that have been known to cut off hands and fingers. Yet they continue to sell them just because people keep buying them. If you told Sears that people have been injured with the saws, I'm sure their response would be along the lines of, "Yeah. So?" So, should someone sue Sears for selling a known potentially harmful item?

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    14. Re:You have it all twisted by freeweed · · Score: 1

      Get this straight, "You DON'T hold hot coffee between your legs to add sugar while driving a car."

      Sigh.

      I can't believe people cannot read. SHE WAS NOT DRIVING A CAR.

      The court case came down to one thing: is it reasonable to expect people to spill coffee on themselves? If you truly think that no one, ever, under any circumstances will spill coffee on their skin without being completely and totally stupid, then yes - let's put the blame on her.

      The decision acknowledged the fact that even the most careful and resonable among us can spill things. Sometimes onto our skin. The judgement was awarded because if you allow people to spill things, THEY SHOULDN'T CAUSE 3RD DEGREE BURNS.

      Try reading about the case instead of sounding like a jackass.

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    15. Re:You have it all twisted by darkfire5252 · · Score: 1
      Right, holding hot coffee in your lap while adding sugar and whatnot would be stupid, or at the least risky. Regardless of whether or not this was the case in the lawsuit (it wasn't), people should be held accountable for their actions, I agree. On the other hand, driving a car into a building or another car would be even more stupid. However, cars still come with seat belts. Why? Because the manufacturers of cars know that this will happen anyway. Have you ever spilled a drink on yourself? Do you know someone that has? Can you imagine a situation in which a person spills a drink through no fault of their own? Yes, you can. It's foreseeable that people will spill coffee on themselves, and foreseeability is a required element of a negligence lawsuit.
      Given the fact that a reasonable person will reasonably believe that it's likely that someone will spill coffee, the question becomes whether or not McDonalds considered this fact when deciding the policy that dictated how the coffee is prepared. Look at the facts:
      • McDonald's served coffee at a much (30-50 degrees) higher temperature than other places
      • McDonald's had previously had lawsuits brought against them because of the excessively high temperature of their coffee
      • McDonald's had previously been explicitly warned that the temperature of their coffee was high enough to cause serious damage
      • McDonald's could have easily fixed this problem at very little cost or inconvenience on their part
      McDonald's willingly and knowingly did something that put the public in a significant amount of danger. A reasonable person knows that coffee will be spilled, sometimes onto a person. Knowing this, McDonald's served coffee at an excessive and dangerous temperature. Keep in mind, the woman did not spill a coffee brewer, she did not remove a coffee pot from a stove and immediately spill it on herself, she spilled coffee that had been brewed, poured, and sat for a short amount of time in a cup. The coffee was still hot enough to cause third degree burns. In case you're confusing an "ow, that burns" burn with a third degree burn, I'll leave you with this (courtesy of Wikipedia):

      Third-degree burns are which most of the epidermis is lost. They additionally have charring of the skin, and sometimes produce hard eschars. An eschar is a scab that has separated from the unaffected part of the body. These types of burns are often considered painless, because nerve endings have been destroyed in the burned areas. However, there is in reality a significant amount of pain involved in a third degree burn. Hair follicles and sweat glands may also be lost. Third degree burns result in scarring. Elastic banding of the skin can smooth the scarred skin. Third degree burns over large surface areas are often fatal.
    16. Re:You have it all twisted by nasor · · Score: 1
      Sigh. I get tired of people who hold strong opinions on things that they clearly know nothing about.

      Get this straight, "You DON'T hold hot coffee between your legs to add sugar while driving a car." She wasn't driving the car, she was a passenger. And the car was parked.

      Sears knowingly sells tablesaws that have been known to cut off hands and fingers. Yet they continue to sell them just because people keep buying them. If you told Sears that people have been injured with the saws, I'm sure their response would be along the lines of, "Yeah. So?" So, should someone sue Sears for selling a known potentially harmful item? If Sears was knowingly selling table saws that were substantially more likely to cut off a user's fingers than the table saws of other companies, and continued doing so even after having been warned by experts that their table saws were less safe than ordinary tables saws, then yes - they most certainly WOULD be vulnerable to a lawsuit.
    17. Re:You have it all twisted by Bane1998 · · Score: 1

      Well, thanks for the education about the McDonald's case. Though it's really irrelvent to my point, which would have stood just as well without the example. Relax. :)

    18. Re:You have it all twisted by setagllib · · Score: 1

      Just for clarity (since that article is wrong on this point), third degree burns are far from the worst. Supposedly, the worst is sixth degree, where all that's left is charred bone (bone being largely inorganic and therefore difficult to burn). I imagine anything higher would be the bone resolving into component molecules, with the energy overcoming the bonds keeping bone intact. Physics is interesting that way.

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  48. Marking "X" on Every Door by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having so many stupid warnings is not only useless, but harmful. I mean besides hindering the process of natural selection where people dumb enough to stick their hands into lawn mowers have a higher chance of being eliminated. As it is, there's too much clutter. I mean, seriously, there's pans that say things like "WARNING: May be hot when heated." Anyway, the problem is that in the midst of "Do not hit yourself in the head with this object" you're liable to miss warnings that may actually be important that may not be obvious to everyone. You know, like how you shouldn't use that bleach with that ammonia product since it might melt your lungs. If any time you saw a warning, you knew you'd better read it, it'd actually make a difference. Nobody reads the orange-bordered text in 2 point font that tells you not to be an idiot in 5,000 words. So when the 5000-5004 words are important, people miss that, too.

  49. Magic Thinking by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 1

    Actually, it's all my fault. Everything I think comes true. I made you say that.

    Joking aside, my above silly statement is an example of Magic Thinking. I always felt it was the opposite of victimization, the idea that everything I think and do affects the world.

    Personally I feel that the concepts of "self" and "other" are illusory. Everything is interconnected. Just by reading this sentence I typed, your brain has been physically altered forever. Addiction is just the result of mental processes, feedback systems reacting to internal and external stimuli. It's unlikely warning labels would help. Electric shocks when you use them too often would do nicely.

  50. Warning by theeddie55 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Posting on slashdot can be addictive please do not over use. If you percieve signs of grammar nazi-ism or trolling, please consult a professional.

  51. I'm hopelessly by jimlintott · · Score: 1

    I'm hopelessly addicted to looking out for everyone else's well being.

    1. Re:I'm hopelessly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My well-being would be much improved if you were to give me $2,000,000...

  52. Put warnings on spoons... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...because, I tell ya, I simply cannot eat my Cheerios without a spoon, no matter how hard I try not to. Put those warnings on couches too - my butt seems to be endlessly attracted to the couch. And I think the absolute worst offender, the most addictive technology - is the car. Without my car, that 5 miles to work seems impossible. I get tremors when the car is in the shop.

  53. Like the tobacco industry... by Adambomb · · Score: 1

    Anything that has value can be psychologically 'habit' forming. Do people honestly expect to be able to claim "No one warned me that I can become hopelessly dependant on this product!" and be recompensed for their "trouble?".

    Jesus christ, never make a successful product again...anyone...ever.

    Check please, i'm out of the universe.

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  54. May have been said.... by pimpbott · · Score: 1

    ... but it sounds like a feature, not a bug. Is this going to be like those explicit lyrics warnings on CeeDees? Heck, it may just sell more electronic devices. I don't know if I want to buy anything I didn't really wanna use all the time.

  55. Then send out a patch for human nature by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    We don't want to be in a situation in a few years similar to that with fast food or tobacco today

    That "situation" is a symptom of human nature. It is not related to fast food or tobacco. Or gadgets. If you don't want that situation, then get to work on engineering Homo Superior.

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  56. Call me old fashioned... by vertinox · · Score: 1

    But I like to have addictions the old fashioned way with booze and cigarettes.

    I suppose being addicted to a blackberry would be cheaper and better on my health on the long run, but it just doesn't have that wonderful taste in the mouth after drinking my brains out since 9 in the morning the day before.

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  57. Thank you for protecting me. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    From myself.

    Stupid nanny state. Grr

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  58. Edible: I think not! by BlueCollarCamel · · Score: 1

    I've never attempted to eat my technology... so why should it come with such a warning?

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  59. carpal tunnel by caramello · · Score: 1

    everyone i know with a blackberry or similar phone with a qwerty keyboard is totally addicted to it. i've had phone conversations where i could hear someone clicking buttons, sending texts while talking to me. i have to wait on people at my register at work, who, every single day, will be on their phone. every time i see them, every day. i don't think a health warning would keep anyone from using it, but it's not that bad of an idea. i don't even have a cellphone. it's pretty easy to live without one, believe it or not.

  60. Technology is not addictive. by MrCopilot · · Score: 1

    I mean, I could stop anytime I wanted. Hold on, just let me check my blog stats. Got to give it another 2 mins to update. Ok like I was saying, technology is not addictive, just because I posted to 7 blogs today and responded to 23 comments doesn't mean I have to. Its just something I enjoy. Gotta reply to this txtmsg, BRB. Kay, anyway ooh 2 mins up. Oh yeah 12 more visitors. Where the hell is Riga, Google says Latvia. Hang on, laptop compile is done, sweet. So anyway, damn IM, hell yeah I want to raid. I gotta go, but my point is Technology isn't addictive, it is empowering, bringing people together and then letting them talk smack to each other.

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  61. Idiots. by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

    Just because some people depend on technology to do things that otherwise would be impossible, things that ignorant luddites don't understand, it does not mean that aforementioned luddites should be allowed to force the idea upon society that those things are bad. This is the same kind of thing as anti-abortion groups running TV commercial announcing "counseling" for nonexistent mental conditions they claim to happen in women after performing an abortion.

    There are plenty of things government can do to improve the lives of people (this is why every form of government was invented in the first place), ostracizing people who drive the development of technology and culture by inventing bogus "addictions" associated with their working habits isn't one of them.

    HAY GUYZ, I AM ADDICTED TO WRITING SOFTWARE FOR EMBEDDED SYSTEMS IN LINUX ENVIRONMENT, PLZ THROW A ROCK AT ME!

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    1. Re:Idiots. by dissolved · · Score: 1

      I don't think comparing the psychological burden and internal debates that go on after an abortion really compare to coding embedded systems, somehow. You're taking a decision which was prevented an actual life being born and trying to match it to technology. Whilst sitting in your moms basement playing WoW also prohibits procreation, it's just not the same and actually a pretty tasteless remark.

      ANALOGY FAIL

    2. Re:Idiots. by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      You're taking a decision which was prevented an actual life being born and trying to match it to technology. Condoms are a form of technology, so your argument is even less convincing than the rest of the crap religious nuts such as yourself spew on this subject.
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  62. So.... by __aajztc3811 · · Score: 1

    fastfood and ciggs? Are you serious? Since when did using a blackberry give you cancer or make you fat? Ok if you sit around all day and use your blackberry I guess that can qualify for fat, but think about it... if you are using blackberry you probably aren't sitting around your house when you HAVE A COMPUTER!

    The only thing this warning should say is "Health Warning: staring at this device might give you eye cancer, but the possilibity is nill to shit"

    Seriously, we don't need the government adivsing people how to use technology. If your life is centered around a device.... thats your choice... now where my liquid speed with no health warning.....

  63. "All we ask is five hours a day" by Animats · · Score: 1

    "All we ask is five hours a day" - slogan from an ABC-TV promotion to the industry in Hollywood around 2002.

    Now that's addictive.

  64. Ummmm, well... by zappepcs · · Score: 1

    Only if you are going to make the dating sites label OCD people as such, and whacko crazy people as such... Hmmm perhaps we can put up big signs outside fundamentalist christian churches that warn of the dangers the present to their members. That might work better than the protests against $cientology?

    Why does EVERYTHING have to have a fscking warning label? Concrete is hard, and you would wear protective equipment when bouncing out of cars onto it. Can we get that engraved instead of water shed grooves?

    Life is a terminal disease, can we get a warning for that?

    Keyboards were used in nearly 100% of all Internet downloading copyright violations, can we get a warning for that too?

    damn

  65. I can't believe no-one's mentioned sex? by msimm · · Score: 1

    Why should we limit absurd warnings to technology? How about a warning on religion?

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  66. Knowledge comes, but wisdom lingers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    -- Tennyson

  67. Tagged:neuroattenuationsyndrome by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    At least it's not marked as disease-causing yet.

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  68. I'm Waiting..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    I'm waiting to see bras that say:

    Warning/Danger: May be habit forming. Not for use by persons under the age of 18.

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    1. Re:I'm Waiting..... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Warning/Danger: May be habit forming. Not for use by persons under the age of 18.

      You must have a very clean car.

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  69. Ground Up: The Next Generation by milsoRgen · · Score: 1

    True enough and I have no hard evidence, but you can't tell me physically fit people leading an active lifestyle wouldn't be less likely to engage in addictive behavior? And even if they still are just as likely to engage in addictive behavior, any negative health and social effects would easily be offset by their lack of need of other more serious health resources.

    As for "well adjusted", yes that's very subjective. But since we're talking of mandating warning labels, why not mandate psychological tests when you renew your ID/drivers license, that way you could target those individuals deemed to have problems or exhibit signs of at risk behavior and deliver them more comprehensive out reach programs.

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    1. Re:Ground Up: The Next Generation by feronti · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of an adrenaline junkie? They're generally physically fit and lead extremely active lives... to the point they put themselves at high risk of injuring themselves and thereby needing those more serious health resources.

      But in general, I'd probably still be inclined to believe that a healthy body leads to a healthy mind. But it's no guarantee.

  70. WARNING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    By voting for Nanny State proponents you run the risk of having all of your income taxed away to take care of "the children".

    With no money, you too, will become a ward of the state.

  71. Where does it end? by rgaginol · · Score: 1

    Warning: This Yo-Yo could potentially creating an annoying habit of showing your friends every little trick you've 'almost' learned.

  72. desktop tower defense by ANCOVA · · Score: 1

    I always think they should have issued a health warning for desktop tower defense, that thing is killing me.

  73. Pop-tarts... by Grog6 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Have a warning "pastry may be hot when removed from toaster"; I knew we were doomed, then...

    We just need to instill the lemming instinct on the Morons...

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    1. Re:Pop-tarts... by springbox · · Score: 1

      It would be hard to not find a warning on food that happens to get fairly hot when heated.

    2. Re:Pop-tarts... by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      Heating things make them hot? Whoa! You learn something new every day.

      At least toothpicks have those really useful instructions on the back of the packet for those times when you forget how to use them.

      Ok ok I'll stop now. See you outside of the Asylum. ;)

    3. Re:Pop-tarts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a strange turn of events when you have to be warned about an event which you supposedly are trying to bring about. My poptarts may be hot? Damn straight! They'd better be hot, that's the reason I put them in the toaster!

    4. Re:Pop-tarts... by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      It's a strange turn of events when you have to be warned about an event which you supposedly are trying to bring about. My poptarts may be hot? Damn straight! They'd better be hot, that's the reason I put them in the toaster! Perhaps... but if the toaster is broken, the pop-tarts may not be hot when you remove them. This could lead to hunger, starvation, depression, or even suicide. I smell a warning label!
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    5. Re:Pop-tarts... by Diem2000 · · Score: 1

      That depends on how the toaster is broken. If the lever is broken and doesn't properly eject the pop tarts, you could be left with a pretty large fire shooting out of your toaster, as pop tart frosting is notoriously flammable.

  74. Yes, because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Should Addictive Tech Come With a Health Warning?

    Yes, because people today are way to f.ing stupid to take any personal responsibility for their own actions. Technology is not like heroin. It does NOT form a physical addiction.

    And the yes is sarcasm. Stop trying to regulate and legislate common sense, stupid people...

  75. what's next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God, what's next... a warning label on my weed? My bathtub? The forehead of that girl over there?!?!

    Warning: prolonged use could result in love and cause a significant changes to your life and lifestyle.

  76. Information by ilikepi314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Your post (which by the way, I agree with) reminds me of another issue though that I have contemplated for some time and not been able to figure out -- the matter of information on making decisions.

    While adults should be left to their own decisions for the most part, is it safe to assume that *everyone* has read all of the medical papers, scientific journals, safety instructions on a particular object? I do not see how this is possible, as I can barely keep up with all of the papers related to my field of research, let alone all of the other things being done on the planet. It's not a matter of I'm lazy or not willing to find it on my own, but simply that I *do not have the time* to wade through all of this research on whether or not a particular thing is a good idea for me to do or buy.

    Thus comes my dilemma: do we assume everyone will find out about the results of this research and therefore have the knowledge necessary to make an informed decision, or do we push a bit harder for people to hear our message by forcing warning labels? I personally like the idea of a well-informed public (I know if chocolate pudding caused cancer, I would DEFINITELY want it reported immediately, which could potentially require government intervention as I imagine few pudding companies would want to put this on their box voluntarily), but I also realize this sort of thing has a huge potential for abuse (i.e., spreading misinformation and bias), and that perhaps some citizens will not care anyway or feel they are being picked on as a result.

    You'd have to find a way of informing everyone in a clear unbiased manner (which removing bias from people is near impossible), while simultaneously not demonizing people for making what are ultimately personal decisions (which is also near impossible for many people). So yeah, I'm not sure how to balance that any better than the way we have right now -- which isn't always very balanced in itself.

    1. Re:Information by khayman80 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I've put some thought into this as well. I think warning labels may actually be counter-productive, in that they give Average Joe the impression that he doesn't have to think about how to safely use a product or do any research. All he has to do is read the warning labels and all danger magically evaporates. In addition, the fact that there is a government body devoted to forcing these warning labels gives the impression that all dangers have been rigorously examined and makes the government liable for any omissions or mistakes.

      While I think that voluntary warning labels are a good idea, I don't think mandating them is a good idea. First of all, companies that are responsible will put intelligent warning labels on their products to warn against non-obvious dangers, just because there's no profit in killing off their customer base. Non-responsible companies are a different matter, and fifty years ago I might have agreed that government intervention was necessary to protect people against predatory companies. With the advent of the internet, though, it would be a relatively simple matter for a citizen to google the name of the product/company before buying/using the product. Any dangerous information would be revealed through a quick 30 second search.

    2. Re:Information by node+3 · · Score: 1

      I suspect that the crux of the dilemma you bring up is the assumption or implication that things are black-and-white. Sometimes things are fairly clear (although, beyond pure math and logic, I suggest that *nothing* is truly black-and-white, but there are plenty of situations where things are so overwhelmingly black or white that treating it as such is much simpler and overall more rational than pointing out every little infinitesimal shade of grey). But there are cases where things aren't clearly black or white, and by the very nature of the thing involved, one cannot extract either just the black or the white from the thing in question without destroying it.

      It's those all-too-common shades of grey situations that cause us so many problems. Once one comes to the realization that there are shades of grey, one no longer tries to force things into either the black or white category, and accepts that some laws and choices are going to be mushy. This leads to laws and choices which are not quite perfect, but close enough, and listed with an asterisk which notes that "this is not an absolute, but the best choice we made at the time, and fully subject to alteration as needed".

      Politics are the *last* place black-and-white thinking is needed. Sadly, in America at least, such thinking seems to have a significant following.

    3. Re:Information by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      When it's important information (such as the usage of medicines), people know that they aren't informed so they find someone who is (the GP).

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  77. So long as it reads... by morari · · Score: 1

    Warning: The use of mobiles communication devices may be annoying to those around you. Bodily harm may result if you continue to obnoxiously dick with your cell phone in public. Put it away, disconnect yourself from the world on occasion, and get a life.

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  78. Gaaagh! by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

    I'm normally a very peaceful person. But when I see stories like this, I just want to beat the shit out of people like this! Just because they are unable to live their own lives without constant supervision doesn't mean the rest of us can't cope with the vagaries of existance.

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  79. StubleUpon warning by kylehase · · Score: 1

    !!WARNING!! StumbleUpon may cause insomnia, RSI in the mouse finger, loss of social life, drowsiness at work, accidental clicking of the refresh button on non-stumble browsers, and a wealth of interesting but otherwise useless information.

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  80. Porn should come with a warning too by lachian · · Score: 1

    If tech needs a warning than maybe porn needs a carpal tunnel warning attached as well.

    1. Re:Porn should come with a warning too by Toonafeesh · · Score: 1

      Or a "will make you go blind" warning!!

  81. Bush by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Nothing is anyone's fault anymore, it seems.

    That's because it's all Bush's fault.

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  82. Warning! by Chas · · Score: 1

    Excessive use of a Crackberry may cause your thumbs to permanently lock in a non-opposable position, thus undoing several million year of evolution.

    Welcome to Costco. I love you...

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  83. Certain API calls should come with health warnings by soft_guy · · Score: 1

    Pretty much any API that involves threads should have a warning about potential loss of hair.

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  84. Obligatory Quote by ikarous · · Score: 1

    The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

    Humor aside, the whole idea of warning labels has gotten way out of hand. It's perfectly reasonable and sane to put warning labels on things that might not be obvious on first inspection (for instance, many non-technical people don't know that the capacitors in television can hold a charge long after the set has been unplugged), but for common sense items like coffee, it's just obnoxious. Starbucks should not have to put warning labels on their coffee because Joe Sixpack does not understand that hot coffee is hot. The fact that not putting these irritating labels on everything opens companies up to liability is one of the downsides of our legal system.

    On a related note, I'm getting really tired of hearing about all these "studies" demonstrating that using technology X increases your chance of addiction, heart disease, cancer, depression, or (insert FUD term here). Guess what: living is the leading cause of death. Driving to work every day statistically increases your chances of getting killed in an accident, but most people don't complain about that because they accept the cost of risk in exchange for the supposed convenience of driving. Last time I checked, there wasn't a label on my steering wheel informing me that if I drive the vehicle, I might die in an accident.

    Yes, there are risks inherent in most technologies, but what we need to focus on is risk versus benefit. Only by taking both of these factors into account can we determine whether the risks, if any, are worth taking. But I guess that reasonable analysis doesn't generate catchy headlines.

  85. Yeah by vespacide2 · · Score: 0

    Cause, realizing the stupidity of religion is just a fad.

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  86. health warnings? Good idea by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 1

    <pre>
    [user@laptop pts/4] python
    Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Oct  5 2007, 13:36:32)
    [GCC 4.1.3 20070929 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.2-16ubuntu2)] on linux2
    Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
    Please be aware that this technology has addictive qualities; use with moderation.
    For more information, speak with your doctor or call 1-800-TOO-MUCH
    >>>
    </pre>

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  87. natural selection by Cymeth · · Score: 1

    remove all warning labels and let natural selection do the work for us..

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  88. PSA: Sanitation, Agriculture Habit Forming by chkn0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Public Service Announcement: Habit-Forming Technologies

    It has come to the attention of this institution that certain technologies and innovations developed over the course of human history may, in retrospect, be habit-forming and could lead to addiction. Citizens are encouraged to exercise caution and restraint in their use of the following list of technologies and are further encouraged to be vigilant for the sake of their friends and family members, lest they become too deeply involved in these potentially dangerous activities.

    Help is available. If you or a loved one, friend, or acquaintance finds himself or herself excessively attached to one or more of these technologies, contact your local branch office of the Ministry of Progress immediately.

    List of recognized potentially habit-forming technologies:

    • Tools
    • Fire
    • Language
    • Clothing
    • Artificial Shelter
    • Domestication of Animals
    • Agriculture
    • Ships
    • Writing
    • Wheels
    • Plumbing
    • Sanitation
    • Lenses
    • Internal combustion engines
    • Refrigeration
    • Electrical distribution
    • Radio
    • Semiconductors
  89. Nanny state - a rant by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    Is it excessive 'respect for experts'? Is it some sort of neurosis that requires people to defer to some sort of authority figure? I simply can't understand how the default response seems to be "let's have the government warn people!" I mean, any reasonably sane person can control their own actions EVEN when something is extremely entertaining or enjoyable.

    Life isn't safe. As organisms, it's our OWN responsibility to evaluate our environment both in the short- and longterm in terms of its dangers to our health and well being. Yet it seems that there is a (segment? class? political party?) in the US that believes that wisdom and security lie in building a state which carefully delineates every aspect of everyday life.

    I simply don't get it. In the first place it's patronizing, in the second it has follow-on effects on individual sovereignty that I find repellent: it's a small step from giving a government the ability to define what's safe to letting them MAKE something safe (for the greater good, of course). Once they have that power, you as a citizen surrender much of your autonomy.

    Take the push for socialized medicine in the US. Once the US gov't is providing your healthcare, don't they then logically have a say in what you can and cannot do? You can't smoke a cigarette or have a drink - too bad for your health. You can't go parasailing - way too dangerous!

    The idea of warning labels for self-evident danger is truly the camel's nose of the nanny state. It can stay out of my tent, thanks very much.

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    1. Re:Nanny state - a rant by base3 · · Score: 1

      Take the push for socialized medicine in the US. Once the US gov't is providing your healthcare, don't they then logically have a say in what you can and cannot do? You can't smoke a cigarette or have a drink - too bad for your health. You can't go parasailing - way too dangerous!
      We already have the logic that "society" pays for health care being used to justify assaults on individual liberty like seat belt laws and excessive taxation of everything from cigarettes and alcohol to sugar and saturated fats, and it doesn't have anything to do with "socialized medicine," which Americans except for the extremely wealthy are already subject to, except that insurance companies get a rake off the top.
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  90. this trivializes the health effects of tobacco by lukesl · · Score: 1

    A big difference between being addicted to an iPhone and being addicted to tobacco is that iPhones do not kill you. 1/5 of all deaths in the US are directly attributable to tobacco, even though only 1/4 of people smoke. Second-hand smoke kills more people in the US each year than car accidents and gun violence combined. To put "addictive" tech toys in the same category as this deadly poison is simply ridiculous.

    1. Re:this trivializes the health effects of tobacco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So that shows smoking is safer than people want you to believe. 1/5th of all deaths = 20% of all deaths. 1/4th of all people = 25% of all people. Therefore, far fewer deaths are attributed to tobacco use as a percentage of all deaths than people actually smoking. You have to include second-hand smoke deaths in the death total, therefore there are even fewer actual smokers in the death total.

      Not to say that smoking is not a problem, but you made it sound like 1/5th was a greater amount than 1/4th.

    2. Re:this trivializes the health effects of tobacco by lukesl · · Score: 1

      I see how you could have interpreted it that way--that's not what I meant, and I should have worded it more clearly. However, I don't agree with your argument that the numbers show that smoking is relatively safe. If 25% of people smoke, and 20% of all deaths are directly attributable to smoking, then smoking is 80% likely to kill you or someone around you. That's pretty high! In reality, it's lower than that because it's more like 25% of people are smokers at any given time. Lots of people smoke for a while and then quit. If you're a lifelong smoker, the probability of cigarettes killing you is around 50% (I think the probability of getting lung cancer is only around 15%, and the rest of the mortality comes from vascular and pulmonary disease). Second-hand smoke deaths are a small percentage of total smoke-related deaths, being less than 10%, but even in spite of that, they still outnumber car accidents and guns, which I think is insane.

  91. Microsoft Windows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Warning!!! Using Microsoft Windows could be hazardous to both your computer and your health!

  92. Sure, why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's put warnings on all things addictive, not just computers/technology products that are addictive. We all know that people that use addictive products actually read and seriously think about these warnings right? You know, like the ones on cigarettes. People have stopped smoking because of labels right?

    Let's see, what should we do next. Put labels on BigMac boxes that mention that eating too many of them might be fattening?

  93. Mod parent up by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

    This is a very good point, and one I hadn't considered before.

  94. Seatbelts? Are you kidding? by wall0159 · · Score: 1

    "we could arrest and imprison someone for their own safety if they decide not to wear a seatbelt"

    I'm all for freedom and personal responsibility, but I think requiring the wearing of seat-belts is a good idea. Dunno about your straw-man of imprisoning non-seatbelt-wearers tho...

    1. Re:Seatbelts? Are you kidding? by lgw · · Score: 1

      What do you think happens if a policeman tells you to wear a seatbelt and you tell him "no"?

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  95. Parent has excellent point by wall0159 · · Score: 1

    "If you place no restriction on marketing and selling self-destruction to people, corporations are going to devise ways to most efficiently get people hooked on their product."

    Furthermore, such behaviour is already occurring. If you think about cigarette and alcohol advertising you realise that corporations are doing exactly that.

    1. Re:Parent has excellent point by cuantar · · Score: 1

      Don't forget vendor lock-in in the software world, or the large number of physically addictive prescription medication being advertised freely to the public.

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  96. Absolutely Not! by StupidKatz · · Score: 1

    You may get laid off because some idiots signed mortgages they were never able to afford. Should the government have taken action, restricting their freedoms to prevent them from screwing you over? It's a tough question.


    Absolutely not! Dig a little deeper: why are most people instantly in financial trouble if they lose a job? Usually because they are living hand-to-mouth at best, or are underwater and merely piling up debt. Disruption of income would then mean instant problems.

    Whatever happened to such things as saving, putting money away for a rainy day or hard times? Granted, it isn't always the easiest thing to do, but then again, no one forces debt upon "consumers" in the first place!

    Actions have consequences. True Americans in the traditional sense will take responsibility for all their choices.

    1. Re:Absolutely Not! by Piazzola · · Score: 1
      no one forces debt upon "consumers" in the first place!

      Right, because so many of the necessities of life can be purchased outright! A car, a home, a college education, only irresponsible idiots go into debt to buy those things! And before you try to point out that those things aren't necessities, keep in mind that YOUR particular situation != EVERYONE's situation. Where I live, there are literally NO jobs within reasonable walking/biking distance, and no public transportation because it's rural. No car = no job.

    2. Re:Absolutely Not! by StupidKatz · · Score: 1

      A new car is a necessity? Granted, $800 is a lot of cash, but that was the cost of my first car, and it lasted a good eight years with a few thousand dollars in repair/replacement costs spread out over that period. No, a new car is not a necessity.

      A house is a necessity? Yes, it does bring tears of sorrow to my eyes to see all the money I've spent on rent falling down that bottomless rat hole, but does that matter necessitate decades of debt? Absolutely not!

      Is a college education required for life, for a future, for happiness? I can guarantee that it is not, for I have no degrees to my name (not even from a high school), and am doing quite well financially even in this time of skyrocketing costs of living, etc. (Neither did I come from a rich family, nor have any other advantage other than simply finding something I like to do and getting someone to pay me for doing just that. Nor is my line of work illegal, abnormal, etc.)

      When I lived somewhere where there were no jobs which I could support just myself without having to work multiples of the same, I found a way to leave and move to greener pastures.

      My situation is certainly not the same as everyone elses', but neither does that mean that such luxuries mentioned above automatically become requirements for life!

  97. It's a Compulsion, not an Addiction by Akhiris · · Score: 1

    Addiction is defined by physical dependence on a substance, and withdrawal symptoms. You can get addicted to heroin. You can't get addicted to the Internet, BlackBerries, or WoW. These compulsive behaviors are only bad if they are annoying to the person who is examining the behavior. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/addiction

  98. Grrrrrrr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Answer this - is coffee supposed to be:

    a) hot

    b) not hot

    If you answered (b) you're wrong. And while we're at it, McDonald's is not a "restaurant". A restaurant is somewhere you go to eat something that might taste nice, not something sprayed off a dead cow. McDonald's is somewhere that you go when you don't have a choice.

    1. Re:Grrrrrrr. by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between "hot", "unusually hot" and "dangerously hot in order to be able to be kept on the coffee maker longer thus reducing wastage and increasing profits".

      Apart from that I agree with your comment about the quality of McDonald's food, although it's irrelevant.

  99. How about the freedom not to be told what to do? by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    I'm not convinced the freedom to not wear a seatbelt is really a freedom of any value and losing it isn't a real loss. I wear my seatbelt, and I would wear it even if the law did not demand it of me. I do it because I understand that it's in my interest to do so. However, I still resent being told that I must buckle up under penalty of law. I find it insulting to be ordered to do something that I would probably do anyway because I don't have shit for brains.
  100. Oh, it still means something. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    It means something, it just doesn't mean anything sensible. It means any behavior a person partakes in regularly which the wider public does not like. Great example: Gaming is seen as an addiction if you play videogames, say, 8 hours a day on a weekend and 4 hours a day on a weekday. Watching TV on a similar schedule, or longer, is not seen as an addiction. Of course there are real videogame addicts - the guys who quit their jobs, shut themselves off from society and play Warcraft all day - but someone who did the same with TV would, at that point, be labelled an addict as well, because of how extreme the behaviour is.

    More examples:
    Spending huge amounts of your time and money on a car - addiction.
    Same with a house - not addiction.

    The people into these hobbies that commonly get slapped with the addiction label recognize how silly it is and even throw it around jokingly. Good example: http://www.treoaddicts.com/

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  101. OW by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    I mean the logical conclusion of your argument is that we should all be brainwashed or have computer ships shoved into our heads to control 99.99% of our behavior, If we have any kind of ship shoved into our heads, we won't be able to do ANYTHING dangerous. Well apart from the biohazards.

    *Puts down sign* WARNING: Do not drink juices oozing from corpse. Corpse juices may be addictive.
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  102. First post - subliminal advertising by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Slashdot's secretly being spammed under our collective noses.

    Had a sudden craving for some gangsta rap earlier? Now you know.

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  103. What a load of crap by SpuriousLogic · · Score: 1

    What ever happened to personal responsibility? It's not like these things are laced with heroin. All I have to say to the people who think this way is that you better push for the outlaw of TV. Look at how many lives that box of junk has ruined. People let their bodies rot away to giant piles of blubber sitting in front of that thing. They leave it to raise their kids. Kids know commercial jingles better than the US Pledge of Allegiance. The Blackberry has NOTHING on TV. It's just that the Blackberry is new - TV has been ruining lives for dozens of years (so I guess that makes it ok). Talk about an overprotective society. We are abstracting all our individual responsibility away to a faceless mass called "society" or "government". All that does is make people care less about their decisions because it is someone else's problem.

  104. Academics need... by Maltheus · · Score: 1

    ...to get a job already. Sheesh!

  105. zOMG by OMNIpotusCOM · · Score: 1

    I'll sell you this Playboy seeing as how you are 18, but I am required to warn you that this is the first step on a long and lonely road. Sure, today you'll whack it once or twice, then maybe not again for a few days. But I guarantee you, you'll be back. This is a habit-forming product, my friend, and it won't be long before you'll be whacking it whenever the opportunity arises.

  106. Wow...look at him go... by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    WoW should definitely come with a warning on the side of the box with a anorexic looking Korean who didn't wash for 3 weeks and looks like he spent his time in Ethiopia...
      "This game is highly addictive, and should you need to use it, here is a 1-800 number in case
        you need help....getting back into reality and the real world."

    "Until they come out with WoW2, make mine WoW"