If nothing else, it'll be a bit more entertaining than the stupid little bitchslap contest that's going back and forth now.
Personally, I don't see what the problem is.
If the BSD guys don't like the license provisions placed on them by the GPL then DON'T USE THE GPL CODE IN FUTURE RELEASES OF YOUR TREE!
Plain and simple. It's then up to the GPL code provider to continue retrofitting their patches to your updates, or fork.
And, either way, they need to retain the BSD license notices.
I don't see why one would NOT have a problem with someone taking the code for a commercial product and rendering it binary-only, yet it's such a huge EEEEEVIL "inhuman" (thanks for that useless bit of idiotic irrelevancy Theo) thing for an open-source license to use the code, retain the license for your portions, and place a separate license on theirs.
Remember, BSD doesn't give you complete control over what someone does with your code. It merely tell them that the licensing requirements must be adhered to.
And, as for the mental cripples who think they can use the GPL as a superceding license to virally GPL blocks of BSD code.
BZZZT!
If you want a particular function, app, service, etc to be completely GPL, WRITE THE FUCKING THING YOURSELF!
Stop trying to use the GPL as leverage in stealing code from others. You'd hate it if it were done to you, and is completely anathema to the intent and wording of the GPL. So stop it you lazy bastards.
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Yeah. That's what we noticed at the ENnies too. Total Warfare got nominated for "Best Regalia".
?!?!?!?
Because Classic BattleTech is primarily a boardgame that can use miniatures, has a heavily developed game world and an RPG component, it's sort of relegated to a limbo within the game community.
Even so, it doesn't mean we aren't appreciated. The CBT QuickStart rules won not one, but TWO ENnies this year. That may not put it in Ptolus territory, but still. We're happy with what we get.
Oh, and did I mention that CBT also runs some of the largest single-system, single-game events at the con? Save for maybe a few hours in the "so late, it's early" morning, the events were packed. Even after being relegated to back rooms.
The night they announced 4th Ed., someone mentioned it in passing and the response from everyone else in the group was "Huh? They announced that?"
Right there, they failed.
If any of you were there for the release of 3.0, you remember what a huge deal it was.
Then, the abortion of 3.5.
Now 4th Edition.
And the actual announcement copy on it was so dry that it HAD to have been written by a bean-counter. You start reading, get about 10 syllables in, and you're asleep.
And I LOVED the part about "Eight years of playtesting".
As a colleague of mine put it. "Oh. Thanks for telling me that I spent all that money on 3rd Edition stuff (and 3.5) for the *privilege* of playtesting a broken ruleset!"
The people in charge of 4th Edition, and ESPECIALLY the people in charge of product marketing and development need to be bitch-slapped for this lackluster bullshit.
Ah. And I LOVED the ENnies. They passed out 3MB (THREE MEGS!) USB thumbdrives with a character sheet and a logo on it. We guinea-pigged it on one computer, and the drive wasn't stable. The OS kept losing it. So, immediately after it was removed from the system, that system was scanned within an inch of it's life for spyware and malware.
Having suffered through edit wars on Wikipedia with the hordes of partisans chopping out anything that could be remotely considered "uncomplimentary" (even when 100% true and backed up by references), I can attest to this wholeheartedly.
What REALLY disheartened me though, was the fact that the PTBs watching these actions regarded the whitewashing as "NPOV"
Wikipedia's okay until it comes to real, living people.
Then everything goes completely out the window with regards to factuality and referential reliability.
Until someone aspirates their own vomit and then dies of asphyxiation.
Check this out, each and every one of you. Compilation tape, of my own making. I call this the "Greatest Zooks Album". Featuring artists like, well I got some Hendrix on there, some Joplin, Mama Cass, Belushi... all great artists that asphyxiated on their own vomit! -- Cereal Killer
"And, yes, these are high-quality parts that have equivalent or better specs and warranty."
I don't think so. It doesn't start REALLY becoming price equivallent until you begin doing stuff like processor upgrades and memory add-ons, where Dell begins with the price premiums.
Dell XPS 720: $3049
Equivallency Special
$ 320: Q6600 Processor $ 308: Asus Strike Extreme $ 657: BFG GeForce 8800 GTX $ 608: Corsair Dominator Memory 2x1GB $ 212: 150GB Western Digital Raptor $ 399: Dell 2007WFP 20" Monitor $ 109: XP Media Center 2005 $ 140: Antec Nine Hundred case $ 199: Thermaltake 750W PSU $ 35: CD/DVD Burner $ 56: SB X-Fi Sound $ 54: 29W 2.1 Creative Labs Speakers $ 27: Keyboard and mouse (cheapo)
$3124: TOTAL
Note: This is a system based on components bought online and shipped to you that you build YOURSELF. Note: There are 20" monitors out there of equivallent specs that are cheaper than the Dell monitor. You can shave about $120 by going with an equivallent like a Viewsonic.
Buying from a local brick and mortar is bound to be more expensive still, PLUS having them ASSEMBLED FOR YOU is going to tack on even more money.
I've been doing the system integration game for quite a while here. While I could UNDOUBTEDLY get the price down, I'd have to use completely inferior parts that will almost CERTAINLY cut into my warranty profits when (not IF) they fail.
Due to their volume, big-name vendors like Dell, HP, and Lenovo can put together a hardware/software platform for significantly less than what the shopfront guys can.
The shopfront guys HAVE to move to Linux to become price competitive with a big-name Windows system.
Mother: Go find your little brother Older Brother: Found him! He's behind the sofa.
*RING!*
Mother: Hello? Voice On The Other End Of The Line: Ma'am, this is Pubert Skewya. I'm a lawyer for Duey, Cheatham, and Howe. We represent Hitachi. Mother: Uhm. Yeah? So what? VOTOEOTL: Ma'am, we have a record that you just encouraged your son to violate our client's patent on visual searches. Natually, we'll settle out of court for one billion dollars, American. If you refuse, with the state of the economy as it is, we'll go after you in court, but we'll go after you for one billion dollars, Canadian. If you act now, and concede to our extor*COUGH*rightful demands, you'll save yourself money in the long run. Mother: Uhm. Yeah. Who is this really? VOTOEOTL: Ma'am, this is serious. Our client has a patent on visual searches. Every time you tell your son to go look for something, you're contributing to the violation of our client's patents. Mother: And I know ONE young man who's going to get his ass beaten for putting one of his idiot friends up to this stupid little prank... *CLICK*
VOTOEOTL to the rest of his call center: SHIT! That's like the millionth one!
I'd love to see real facts and figures on this that don't involve:
Counting legitimate backups as lost revenue. Counting personal format, time and place shifting as lost revenue. Counting damaged copies legitimately returned to the store as lost revenue. Counting viewing by a family of X number of people as lost revenue of X-1 times the price of the media of lost revenue. Counting ANY AND ALL activities that do NOT involve paying a fee for every single solitary time the content is viewed as lost revenue. Counting THINKING about any activity other than paying a fee for every single solitary time the content is viewed as lost revenue. Counting stuff they don't even own as lost revenue.
But then again. These are the media conglomerates. They've been lying to us all our lives. Why should they change now?
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Nope! WRONG!
Stripping the license and attributions from the code is NOT using the BSD license in the way it was intended.
Thanks for your lack of comprehension. NEXT!
If nothing else, it'll be a bit more entertaining than the stupid little bitchslap contest that's going back and forth now.
Personally, I don't see what the problem is.
If the BSD guys don't like the license provisions placed on them by the GPL then DON'T USE THE GPL CODE IN FUTURE RELEASES OF YOUR TREE!
Plain and simple. It's then up to the GPL code provider to continue retrofitting their patches to your updates, or fork.
And, either way, they need to retain the BSD license notices.
I don't see why one would NOT have a problem with someone taking the code for a commercial product and rendering it binary-only, yet it's such a huge EEEEEVIL "inhuman" (thanks for that useless bit of idiotic irrelevancy Theo) thing for an open-source license to use the code, retain the license for your portions, and place a separate license on theirs.
Remember, BSD doesn't give you complete control over what someone does with your code. It merely tell them that the licensing requirements must be adhered to.
And, as for the mental cripples who think they can use the GPL as a superceding license to virally GPL blocks of BSD code.
BZZZT!
If you want a particular function, app, service, etc to be completely GPL, WRITE THE FUCKING THING YOURSELF!
Stop trying to use the GPL as leverage in stealing code from others. You'd hate it if it were done to you, and is completely anathema to the intent and wording of the GPL. So stop it you lazy bastards.
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They can always subpoena the admins to track down your IP (which I've no doubt the admins can see quite easily, the correlate it to a /. user account).
Yeah. That's what we noticed at the ENnies too.
Total Warfare got nominated for "Best Regalia".
?!?!?!?
Because Classic BattleTech is primarily a boardgame that can use miniatures, has a heavily developed game world and an RPG component, it's sort of relegated to a limbo within the game community.
Even so, it doesn't mean we aren't appreciated. The CBT QuickStart rules won not one, but TWO ENnies this year. That may not put it in Ptolus territory, but still. We're happy with what we get.
Oh, and did I mention that CBT also runs some of the largest single-system, single-game events at the con? Save for maybe a few hours in the "so late, it's early" morning, the events were packed. Even after being relegated to back rooms.
Okay, I just got back from GenCon.
The night they announced 4th Ed., someone mentioned it in passing and the response from everyone else in the group was "Huh? They announced that?"
Right there, they failed.
If any of you were there for the release of 3.0, you remember what a huge deal it was.
Then, the abortion of 3.5.
Now 4th Edition.
And the actual announcement copy on it was so dry that it HAD to have been written by a bean-counter. You start reading, get about 10 syllables in, and you're asleep.
And I LOVED the part about "Eight years of playtesting".
As a colleague of mine put it. "Oh. Thanks for telling me that I spent all that money on 3rd Edition stuff (and 3.5) for the *privilege* of playtesting a broken ruleset!"
The people in charge of 4th Edition, and ESPECIALLY the people in charge of product marketing and development need to be bitch-slapped for this lackluster bullshit.
Ah. And I LOVED the ENnies. They passed out 3MB (THREE MEGS!) USB thumbdrives with a character sheet and a logo on it. We guinea-pigged it on one computer, and the drive wasn't stable. The OS kept losing it. So, immediately after it was removed from the system, that system was scanned within an inch of it's life for spyware and malware.
Having suffered through edit wars on Wikipedia with the hordes of partisans chopping out anything that could be remotely considered "uncomplimentary" (even when 100% true and backed up by references), I can attest to this wholeheartedly.
What REALLY disheartened me though, was the fact that the PTBs watching these actions regarded the whitewashing as "NPOV"
Wikipedia's okay until it comes to real, living people.
Then everything goes completely out the window with regards to factuality and referential reliability.
Stop playing with that new-fangled NetBIOS stuff!
Wait till a stable version comes out!
Oh wait...nevermind...
We have loads of them.
We just call them politicians.
*COUGH*BULLSHIT*COUGH*
How to bring out hoards of people with only tentative (see teflon gloves) grasps on the concepts of economics in one easy step.
Mention a tech-related financial scandal...
It's a less-than-lethal.
Yeah, they're puking. Great.
Until someone aspirates their own vomit and then dies of asphyxiation.
Check this out, each and every one of you. Compilation tape, of my own making. I call this the "Greatest Zooks Album". Featuring artists like, well I got some Hendrix on there, some Joplin, Mama Cass, Belushi... all great artists that asphyxiated on their own vomit! -- Cereal Killer
Heh.
Look out for Rawhide.
"And, yes, these are high-quality parts that have equivalent or better specs and warranty."
I don't think so. It doesn't start REALLY becoming price equivallent until you begin doing stuff like processor upgrades and memory add-ons, where Dell begins with the price premiums.
Dell XPS 720: $3049
Equivallency Special
$ 320: Q6600 Processor
$ 308: Asus Strike Extreme
$ 657: BFG GeForce 8800 GTX
$ 608: Corsair Dominator Memory 2x1GB
$ 212: 150GB Western Digital Raptor
$ 399: Dell 2007WFP 20" Monitor
$ 109: XP Media Center 2005
$ 140: Antec Nine Hundred case
$ 199: Thermaltake 750W PSU
$ 35: CD/DVD Burner
$ 56: SB X-Fi Sound
$ 54: 29W 2.1 Creative Labs Speakers
$ 27: Keyboard and mouse (cheapo)
$3124: TOTAL
Note: This is a system based on components bought online and shipped to you that you build YOURSELF.
Note: There are 20" monitors out there of equivallent specs that are cheaper than the Dell monitor. You can shave about $120 by going with an equivallent like a Viewsonic.
Buying from a local brick and mortar is bound to be more expensive still, PLUS having them ASSEMBLED FOR YOU is going to tack on even more money.
I've been doing the system integration game for quite a while here. While I could UNDOUBTEDLY get the price down, I'd have to use completely inferior parts that will almost CERTAINLY cut into my warranty profits when (not IF) they fail.
"Walk in, pick out a motherboard, case, processor, memory, etc., and either take it home or watch them build it for you."
Yeah, this is great for people who actually KNOW something about computers.
For the majority of people (you know, "Technology is SCARY"), who simply want something that turns on, runs-ish, etc? No.
That isn't competition. It is aiming at a niche market.
Due to their volume, big-name vendors like Dell, HP, and Lenovo can put together a hardware/software platform for significantly less than what the shopfront guys can.
The shopfront guys HAVE to move to Linux to become price competitive with a big-name Windows system.
Mother: Go find your little brother
Older Brother: Found him! He's behind the sofa.
*RING!*
Mother: Hello?
Voice On The Other End Of The Line: Ma'am, this is Pubert Skewya. I'm a lawyer for Duey, Cheatham, and Howe. We represent Hitachi.
Mother: Uhm. Yeah? So what?
VOTOEOTL: Ma'am, we have a record that you just encouraged your son to violate our client's patent on visual searches. Natually, we'll settle out of court for one billion dollars, American. If you refuse, with the state of the economy as it is, we'll go after you in court, but we'll go after you for one billion dollars, Canadian. If you act now, and concede to our extor*COUGH*rightful demands, you'll save yourself money in the long run.
Mother: Uhm. Yeah. Who is this really?
VOTOEOTL: Ma'am, this is serious. Our client has a patent on visual searches. Every time you tell your son to go look for something, you're contributing to the violation of our client's patents.
Mother: And I know ONE young man who's going to get his ass beaten for putting one of his idiot friends up to this stupid little prank...
*CLICK*
VOTOEOTL to the rest of his call center: SHIT! That's like the millionth one!
"on the other hand, it doesn't have the textual beauty and pleasurable reading experience that truly great *authors* achieve."
Tell that to the owners of the roughly 300+ million copies of Harry Potter that are in print...
Yep. Nature beat you to it by several decades at least.
Life found a way.
Now prepare to be nibbled on by velocimactors before finally getting chomped on a toilet by Lord Xenu's Applesaurus Rex.
They're just in it for the money.
Warhammer's title has a typo. As it's a reminder of the minimal buy-in price for a decent, tournament-official army.
Warhammer $40,000
Don't get me wrong, GW's minis are the shit. But between their money-grubbing and the paint-scheme nazi fans...
FUCK...THAT...NOISE.
Don't even get me started on WHOL.
Absoloutely nobody
"At that point you must subscribe to the "We are all gods" view of human potential."
Now ask yourself.
Do we really need an entire pantheon of millions or billions just to cover the simple bases of greed, stupidity, and downright avarice?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRC-77
I'd love to see real facts and figures on this that don't involve:
Counting legitimate backups as lost revenue.
Counting personal format, time and place shifting as lost revenue.
Counting damaged copies legitimately returned to the store as lost revenue.
Counting viewing by a family of X number of people as lost revenue of X-1 times the price of the media of lost revenue.
Counting ANY AND ALL activities that do NOT involve paying a fee for every single solitary time the content is viewed as lost revenue.
Counting THINKING about any activity other than paying a fee for every single solitary time the content is viewed as lost revenue.
Counting stuff they don't even own as lost revenue.
But then again. These are the media conglomerates. They've been lying to us all our lives. Why should they change now?
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