I'm in the S-E 4-double-oh Sitting real low, stick in the flo', oh The hoe want me to come swoop Take her for a ride in my blue Lex Luthor (Lex Luth-ah) But the bitch ain't got no gas fetti (gas fetti) So I burnt her like Fast Freddy (Fast Freddy) Hit me on the first when your mail has come And maybe we can go to the mall or somethin (to the mall or somethin)
Heavy ass shit for the mob -- for the mob When I make a zillion I resign -- I resign I'm realer than a hundred dollar bill with the line across When Christmas come around ask Santa Claus Santa do you know E-40? Bet you that nigga say "That's my homey!" We used to perv grind curb trip to my grandma Kahlua with them brandy almost every day
Cardiac is cool, but I'm on gin (on gin) Santa bought me, a new Mac-10 (yeah)
most people feel like they're already paying for their internet. I agree, there's no excuse for that attitude here on slashdot, but still.. its obvious the internet economics are fucked up. even a respectable news site like NY times has to barter your personal info to make a buck.
your example is crap for telling people not to learn those optimizing techniques. you just had a bad habit of optimizing the wrong thing. I agree, when coding, keep it simple (stupid).. when you find your bottleneck and it's time to optimize you'll need to know and apply the techniques you mentioned. knowing them is half the battle.. knowing when to apply them is key.
you are actually a good example of why people should learn asm. if you knew what was really going on you'd realize that passing 10 parameters results in less push/pop/mov's than the whole class thing.. you'd probably also realize that the whole argument is fucking pointless because your actually worrying about 0.0000000001% of the instructions in your app.
of course, if all your app does is pass parameters to functions.. then hey, optimize away!
nice troll.. just recently I had a C++ programmer with 10 years experience ask me how to combine two values into one. its not something that comes up very often and without a low level fundamental understanding of your datatypes, the solution isn't exactly intuitive.
why would a c++ programmer with 10 years experience not have a low level fundamental understanding of the datatypes? because he learned how to program with c++
I agree. It sucks that a lot of programmers think learning assembly is just something they should do some day to gain better insight.
Personally I think the curriculum for coding should begin with asm, and the student should work his way up to the higher level languages.. c, pascal, and finally java or perl.
Than it wouldn't be an afterthought that some things are actually easier to accomplish in asm (most things depending on your line of work). Not to mention the eventual nested nested nested loop that just needs to be optimized.. shouldn't be a roadblock for any programmer.
Well it means that if you employ a computer to test a hypothesis to 15 BILLION solutions, nobody cares.. but write a paper with a buncha chinese and hieroglyphics and some math consortium will give you a million bucks.
the 15million positive tests was good enough for me, personally. in fact.. I'd be convinced after the first 5 or 6
also.. the people you meet on the internet tend to be sober. people you meet at bars/parties/wherever tend to be drunk (at least tipsy enough to make an otherwise inverted character talk to strangers).
my problem with meeting people on the internet is that they tend to be overweight and ugly:\
it doesn't take a phd to think that, as you've proven in your post. but, to figure out how to give everybody a gig of space, for FREE.. you better know your shit when it comes to modern information retrieval and storage, eliminating redundant data and managing indexes a million times the size of your pr0n folder. if you think they are offering everybody a gig of storage because they have that kind of storage to spare, think again.
you give our government way too much credit. these are the same guys, who after 5 years and 6 billion dollars, couldn't even upgrade the IRS's computers. remember?
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optimizing a section of code in asm is about what 99% of asm programmers do these days. code that requires such optimizations will always be around. typically any place you have an "inner loop" that could be nested within several outer loops that actually gets executed millions or billions of times.. that's when even a single redundant instruction or calculation that takes a few clock cycles can cost you seconds minutes or hours in the final execution time.
dsp and rendering are two areas I have experience optimizing inner loops for. sometimes you can split up the work at a higher level to run on seperate machines. sometimes you can't. it's _never_ a case of you could always split it up, and it would be easier than optimizing the inner loop in asm. most of the time figuring out how to split up a task to be executed on seperate machines is much more involved than optimizing redundant instructions out've an inner loop.
Windows should not fall over because of a badly written driver
this attitude is common and comes from non-programmers. "badly written" is a programmer's way of saying it doesn't work. funny how end users think not working is no excuse for not working.. I dont care if it doesn't work! it should work!
bumbling fools
after explaining a few dozen times that the monitor is not the computer but rather the computer's screen and the thing on the floor is actually the computer and not the "cpu" the cpu is actually inside the computer.. well you just give up and start referring to them with their terms an then things go a bit smoother.
png doesn't just zip the pixels.. what it actually compresses is information about the pixels (ie the difference between the scanlines) the compression performance will depend on how well you filter the original, and how well you filter the original will depend on how much quality loss you're willing to accept.
btw, what you're explaining about jpg is probably just a subsampled chrominance channel (something common in image compression).. since your eye's are more sensitive to luminance than chrominance the chromincance channel can be subsampled 4:1 or even 16:1 without noticing much (lots of jpegs do this, its optional)
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hes metro sexual
I'm in the S-E 4-double-oh
Sitting real low, stick in the flo', oh
The hoe want me to come swoop
Take her for a ride in my blue Lex Luthor (Lex Luth-ah)
But the bitch ain't got no gas fetti (gas fetti)
So I burnt her like Fast Freddy (Fast Freddy)
Hit me on the first when your mail has come
And maybe we can go to the mall or somethin (to the mall or somethin)
Heavy ass shit for the mob -- for the mob
When I make a zillion I resign -- I resign
I'm realer than a hundred dollar bill with the line across
When Christmas come around ask Santa Claus
Santa do you know E-40?
Bet you that nigga say "That's my homey!"
We used to perv grind curb trip to my grandma
Kahlua with them brandy almost every day
Cardiac is cool, but I'm on gin (on gin)
Santa bought me, a new Mac-10 (yeah)
And maybe the extremly high rpm, up to 18500, make weight less important.
the high rpms make weight more important
most people feel like they're already paying for their internet. I agree, there's no excuse for that attitude here on slashdot, but still.. its obvious the internet economics are fucked up. even a respectable news site like NY times has to barter your personal info to make a buck.
I bet having an email @asdf.com probably gets "cleaned" from most spammer's lists before they even try to spam you
Btw: Most of those "inner loops" you could save tons of time with assembly have slowly dissapeared with vertex shaders and gpus in general.
write your shaders in C?
your example is crap for telling people not to learn those optimizing techniques. you just had a bad habit of optimizing the wrong thing. I agree, when coding, keep it simple (stupid).. when you find your bottleneck and it's time to optimize you'll need to know and apply the techniques you mentioned. knowing them is half the battle.. knowing when to apply them is key.
you are actually a good example of why people should learn asm. if you knew what was really going on you'd realize that passing 10 parameters results in less push/pop/mov's than the whole class thing.. you'd probably also realize that the whole argument is fucking pointless because your actually worrying about 0.0000000001% of the instructions in your app.
of course, if all your app does is pass parameters to functions.. then hey, optimize away!
nice troll.. just recently I had a C++ programmer with 10 years experience ask me how to combine two values into one. its not something that comes up very often and without a low level fundamental understanding of your datatypes, the solution isn't exactly intuitive.
why would a c++ programmer with 10 years experience not have a low level fundamental understanding of the datatypes? because he learned how to program with c++
btw, I fired him immediately
I agree. It sucks that a lot of programmers think learning assembly is just something they should do some day to gain better insight.
Personally I think the curriculum for coding should begin with asm, and the student should work his way up to the higher level languages.. c, pascal, and finally java or perl.
Than it wouldn't be an afterthought that some things are actually easier to accomplish in asm (most things depending on your line of work). Not to mention the eventual nested nested nested loop that just needs to be optimized.. shouldn't be a roadblock for any programmer.
The real numbers are an uncountable set. Are you saying that it is just silly to believe that real numbers exist?
no, it's silly to refer to real numbers as a "set"
Well it means that if you employ a computer to test a hypothesis to 15 BILLION solutions, nobody cares.. but write a paper with a buncha chinese and hieroglyphics and some math consortium will give you a million bucks.
the 15million positive tests was good enough for me, personally. in fact.. I'd be convinced after the first 5 or 6
also.. the people you meet on the internet tend to be sober. people you meet at bars/parties/wherever tend to be drunk (at least tipsy enough to make an otherwise inverted character talk to strangers).
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my problem with meeting people on the internet is that they tend to be overweight and ugly
yea.. Masters of Systematic Cow Engagement are low demand these days.
it doesn't take a phd to think that, as you've proven in your post. but, to figure out how to give everybody a gig of space, for FREE.. you better know your shit when it comes to modern information retrieval and storage, eliminating redundant data and managing indexes a million times the size of your pr0n folder. if you think they are offering everybody a gig of storage because they have that kind of storage to spare, think again.
I thought this was already taken care of with the price of ink cartridges?
sure you can print your own money. but there isn't a US currency denomination large enough for you to get a return on your investment.
you give our government way too much credit. these are the same guys, who after 5 years and 6 billion dollars, couldn't even upgrade the IRS's computers. remember?
optimizing a section of code in asm is about what 99% of asm programmers do these days. code that requires such optimizations will always be around. typically any place you have an "inner loop" that could be nested within several outer loops that actually gets executed millions or billions of times.. that's when even a single redundant instruction or calculation that takes a few clock cycles can cost you seconds minutes or hours in the final execution time.
dsp and rendering are two areas I have experience optimizing inner loops for. sometimes you can split up the work at a higher level to run on seperate machines. sometimes you can't. it's _never_ a case of you could always split it up, and it would be easier than optimizing the inner loop in asm. most of the time figuring out how to split up a task to be executed on seperate machines is much more involved than optimizing redundant instructions out've an inner loop.
heh you say all that like it's a bad thing. if you don't like it don't buy it
Windows should not fall over because of a badly written driver
this attitude is common and comes from non-programmers. "badly written" is a programmer's way of saying it doesn't work. funny how end users think not working is no excuse for not working.. I dont care if it doesn't work! it should work! bumbling fools
at that rate you'd need better storage than those 512mb flash cards. even an 80gb slim hd would only store about 30 images.
http://kanamerc.web.infoseek.co.jp/DOGA/NCC1701.MP G
after explaining a few dozen times that the monitor is not the computer but rather the computer's screen and the thing on the floor is actually the computer and not the "cpu" the cpu is actually inside the computer..
well you just give up and start referring to them with their terms an then things go a bit smoother.
whore
png doesn't just zip the pixels.. what it actually compresses is information about the pixels (ie the difference between the scanlines) the compression performance will depend on how well you filter the original, and how well you filter the original will depend on how much quality loss you're willing to accept.
btw, what you're explaining about jpg is probably just a subsampled chrominance channel (something common in image compression).. since your eye's are more sensitive to luminance than chrominance the chromincance channel can be subsampled 4:1 or even 16:1 without noticing much (lots of jpegs do this, its optional)