This is a non issue anyway. I tried it. The guy posted an app that is supposed to launch after you download it. I downloaded it with IE. It didn't launch. I think the person who reported this has his system configured weird.
There is just no defensible reason to place a button with any other function next to the "kill" button from a UI design point of view.
Are you talking about the window close button? Because the real "Kill" button, Force Quit, doesn't.
I didn't like this either... but I've gotten used to it, and it is a bit faster having them on one side. My thinking is that Apple did this so that Windows users would be able to find their way around OS X easier. I know my Windows using friends have a problem on Macs because of thinking the windowshade button is the close button... and they think closing the window quits the app.
Which brings me to the second point. The window close button, most of the time doesn't kill the app. I wish it would for most apps though. OS X certainly is a departure of UI guidelines for Apple. I was lost for about a week on it, but maybe because I also use NT and Linux (I like Gnome...) I got used to it after that.;-)
I'm assuming I can customize Aqua however so plenty of stuff stays out in front? Bottom line Windoze is for those whose real desk is a mess but they know where everything is, while Aqua is for neat-freaks.
You can, if you want, have one window from five different apps open on the screen next to each other.
The way the classic Mac OS works, is if you click on a window in the background (since you can see them, as there is no patent window for the app) it would bring all the open windows from that app to the front, covering all the other open windows. To bring all the windows of one app to the front in OS X you click on that app's icon in the dock. You can also right click the icon to see and choose which window you want, or use the Window menu in the main menu bar.
In OS X clicking on a window in the background, brings only that window to the front, and not all the windows from that app.
You can hide an app and all it's windows, and it's icon in the dock gets grayed out, or you can minimize the individual windows from that app (and when you hide the app... they hop over to the apps icon...). Minimized windows show up as dock icons of the window. Moving the mouse over the icon tells you the name of the window.
I really enjoy Aqua. I use Mac OS 9.1 and NT 4 at work all day, but at home I mostly stay in OS X... can't wait to get the 10.1 update!
I wonder if there's some kind of similar situation over at Apple, hardware dudes saying "let's have this Cool Gizmo", and the OS guys go "naah, we don't want to support it, because we don't care, and you guys smell bad", and everyone gets mad at each other.
Ha! Actually at Apple, it's Steve Jobs thinking something is good and yelling at everyone to do it! Look at the iMac. Steve always liked small one piece "appliance" computers. It was his idea for the original Macintosh to take up the space of a piece of paper on your desk.
He also hates the noise of a fan, so the newer iMacs (and the Cube) don't have a fan.
He liked the cube shape at NeXT and he still liked it at Apple.
He hates floppy disks, and the rumor was that most of the repairs on Macs were floppy related, so out they went (and who cares really...)
The USB thing was funny in the beginning. I think he just thought it was cool. Remember that there were very few USB peripherals when the iMac came out... and it had no serial ports for printers, no ADB for input devices, and no SCSI! It was a brave thing to do, and luckily the iMacs sold well and started the whole USB peripheral cottage industry.
Apple invented Firewire, so of course they have a vested interest in making that a big thing.
I'm running MacOS 9, thanks to (Free Dmitry) Adobe, who haven't move their ass to OS X, and therefore, are alienating mac users on the prone crashing 9 version (and it's getting worse as Apple energy diverges from it with time).
This sounds like a troll... but I'll bite;-)
Adobe just announced Illustrator 10, which runs native in OS X, and InDesign 2.0, which is also a native app.
At work I run 9.1, and can go all week without a crash, except for MSIE, which I have to force quit every now and then. If 9.1 (or 9.2.1) is crashing on your Mac, then you are doing something wrong! If you are still using 9.0, or 9.0.4, then that's part of the problem.
At home I run OS X 10.0.4 90% of the time, and there is no problem running Photoshop 6, Illustrator 9, or QuarkXPress 4.11 in classic mode. I also run GoLive 4 and 5 and M$ Office 2001 in classic and have no problems.
As far as the new keyboard, it works just fine, and what the hell would you use the "ins" key for anyway? I paid $1650 for my G4, with 384 MB of RAM, I dont see where a Dell is $1000 cheaper! Dell's are WAY over priced!
That's exactly the way I was using my M$ Itellimouse Optical... until it died on me... now I'm back to using the no-button Apple mouse, which actually tracks really nicely;-)
This is where obviously you don't know the story. They used to use Macs and Moto built Mac clones. When Apple ended cloning, Moto lost a bunch of money and got pissy... so out went the Macs... I have heard Intel uses Macs in their labs however.
Also, IBM makes PowerPC chips too, and uses them for things other than Macs, like in the Game Cube. Same with Moto... they use PPC chips in a lot of embedded applications.
I don't allow proprietary codecs on my machine. Is there a version of this audio clip in a standard format, like AIFF or MP3?
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Hey... my name is Schwab...
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(i mean what -IS- a "Performa 6200" or a "G4" !?)
Can't help you with the Performa quandary, but "G4" refers to fourth generation PowerPC chip, so the 601, was a G1, and the 604, 604e, 603, and 603e's were G2's and so on...
And what is a Pentium or Athlon?;-)
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There was actually a University student that recreated the circuit diagrams for the Nintendo Entertainment System, and then he emulated the circuits...
I remember reading once that the NES was based on an Apple IIG with faster graphics chips... anyone know if this is true?
Ditch the semi-autos and give the passengers revolvers.
OK... so how do you know which passengers are the highjackers then? And if they are better at using handguns, they win! I think most people wouldn't know how to fire a gun straight, and you just armed the bad guys.
You can get quite a bit done under Win98SE on a P2-class system with only 64MB of ram, as long as you don't want to play current games or anything. I had to install 512MB of ram before Mechwarrior IV would stop memory leaking all over my OS.
But this is more like comparing Windows 98 to Mac System 7.6. Yeah you can get a lot done in Mac System 7.6 on a 132 Mhz 604e with 64 MB of RAM too... it might even be better then Windows 98, but it ain't Mac OS X!
I will agree that Windows does redraw it's windows pretty fast though.
If that's true, then why don't they offer OS upgrades for free as well (in fact, why can't I just download it)? In that case, the software would truly be zero cost and your argument would make sense.
Most of them are free. But the upgrade from Windows 95 to 98 wasn't free, and it's still Windows 4.0. Apple has had a lot more upgrades to Mac OS in the same time frame.
When I got my first PowerMac in 1994, I was running System 7.5, then 7.5.1, 7.5.3, then 7.6, 7.6.1, Mac OS 8, 8.1, 8.5, 8.6, 8.6.1, 9.0, 9.0.4, 9.1, and now 9.2.1, and OS X, which had three free upgrades. The only upgrades I paid for were Mac OS 8, 9, (and I bought X) because I got the others with new Macs I bought.
My G4 came with 9.0.4 and I got 9.1 free, and will get 10.1 free too!
Great! Just point out to me where I can buy a naked Apple G4 Tower so I can put LinuxPPC on it!
Just erase the hard drive silly! Apple doesn't really charge for the OS when you buy a computer from them. They make most of their money selling hardware... this is why they have always sold Mac OS so cheaply compared to Windows.
And it is true that most people buy Apple hardware for the whole system, especially the OS.
I hope they nuke the *frelling* bastards behind this.
Yeah! Farscape!
Sorry... had to lighten things up a little...
I was in NYC that morning. For everyone here who did not see this with your own eyes (TV does not count), you just can't imagine what it was like! I can still smell it...
DR-DOS was the original DOS as ripped off by Bill G... it was originally called CP/M and made by Digital Research. Bill bought a hacked version called Q-DOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System) and ported it to the Intel 8088 (or whatever it was called) for IBM.
The briQs are too expensive! Their 500 MHz G4 machine is almost $2,000!
For $1,690 you can get a 733 MHz G4 with 4 PCI slots (the briQ has one slot that doesn't even come as PCI) and three RAM slots. The BriQ has 2. Plus the 4X AGP slot with a nVidia card. And the CD-RW drive, keyboard, mouse, etc.
Other then the color, cosling more and having less features, the briQ and the G4 has more or less the same spcs.
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I'm running Mac OS X 10.1 on a 466 MHz G4.
Are you talking about the window close button? Because the real "Kill" button, Force Quit, doesn't.
I didn't like this either... but I've gotten used to it, and it is a bit faster having them on one side. My thinking is that Apple did this so that Windows users would be able to find their way around OS X easier. I know my Windows using friends have a problem on Macs because of thinking the windowshade button is the close button... and they think closing the window quits the app.
Which brings me to the second point. The window close button, most of the time doesn't kill the app. I wish it would for most apps though. OS X certainly is a departure of UI guidelines for Apple. I was lost for about a week on it, but maybe because I also use NT and Linux (I like Gnome...) I got used to it after that. ;-)
You can, if you want, have one window from five different apps open on the screen next to each other.
The way the classic Mac OS works, is if you click on a window in the background (since you can see them, as there is no patent window for the app) it would bring all the open windows from that app to the front, covering all the other open windows. To bring all the windows of one app to the front in OS X you click on that app's icon in the dock. You can also right click the icon to see and choose which window you want, or use the Window menu in the main menu bar.
In OS X clicking on a window in the background, brings only that window to the front, and not all the windows from that app.
You can hide an app and all it's windows, and it's icon in the dock gets grayed out, or you can minimize the individual windows from that app (and when you hide the app... they hop over to the apps icon...). Minimized windows show up as dock icons of the window. Moving the mouse over the icon tells you the name of the window.
I really enjoy Aqua. I use Mac OS 9.1 and NT 4 at work all day, but at home I mostly stay in OS X... can't wait to get the 10.1 update!
Mozilla got a good browser out the door? Must have missed that one! ;-)
I have to disagree... why were all the first USB peripherals on the market iMac colored? That had nothing to do with M$!
Should be out tomorrow (Tuesday the 24th) ;-)
Ha! Actually at Apple, it's Steve Jobs thinking something is good and yelling at everyone to do it! Look at the iMac. Steve always liked small one piece "appliance" computers. It was his idea for the original Macintosh to take up the space of a piece of paper on your desk.
He also hates the noise of a fan, so the newer iMacs (and the Cube) don't have a fan.
He liked the cube shape at NeXT and he still liked it at Apple.
He hates floppy disks, and the rumor was that most of the repairs on Macs were floppy related, so out they went (and who cares really...)
The USB thing was funny in the beginning. I think he just thought it was cool. Remember that there were very few USB peripherals when the iMac came out ... and it had no serial ports for printers, no ADB for input devices, and no SCSI! It was a brave thing to do, and luckily the iMacs sold well and started the whole USB peripheral cottage industry.
Apple invented Firewire, so of course they have a vested interest in making that a big thing.
This sounds like a troll... but I'll bite ;-)
Adobe just announced Illustrator 10, which runs native in OS X, and InDesign 2.0, which is also a native app.
At work I run 9.1, and can go all week without a crash, except for MSIE, which I have to force quit every now and then. If 9.1 (or 9.2.1) is crashing on your Mac, then you are doing something wrong! If you are still using 9.0, or 9.0.4, then that's part of the problem.
At home I run OS X 10.0.4 90% of the time, and there is no problem running Photoshop 6, Illustrator 9, or QuarkXPress 4.11 in classic mode. I also run GoLive 4 and 5 and M$ Office 2001 in classic and have no problems.
As far as the new keyboard, it works just fine, and what the hell would you use the "ins" key for anyway? I paid $1650 for my G4, with 384 MB of RAM, I dont see where a Dell is $1000 cheaper! Dell's are WAY over priced!
Left Button: Select
Right Button: Contextual Menu
Side Button Left: Copy
Side Button Right: Paste
That's exactly the way I was using my M$ Itellimouse Optical ... until it died on me ... now I'm back to using the no-button Apple mouse, which actually tracks really nicely ;-)
Also, IBM makes PowerPC chips too, and uses them for things other than Macs, like in the Game Cube. Same with Moto... they use PPC chips in a lot of embedded applications.
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Hey... my name is Schwab...
Can't help you with the Performa quandary, but "G4" refers to fourth generation PowerPC chip, so the 601, was a G1, and the 604, 604e, 603, and 603e's were G2's and so on...
And what is a Pentium or Athlon? ;-)
I remember reading once that the NES was based on an Apple IIG with faster graphics chips... anyone know if this is true?
But then again, I don't see what people like about DreamWeaver...
(I'm a GoLive user... and yes, I can code by hand, but why bother? ;-)
OK... so how do you know which passengers are the highjackers then? And if they are better at using handguns, they win! I think most people wouldn't know how to fire a gun straight, and you just armed the bad guys.
But this is more like comparing Windows 98 to Mac System 7.6. Yeah you can get a lot done in Mac System 7.6 on a 132 Mhz 604e with 64 MB of RAM too... it might even be better then Windows 98, but it ain't Mac OS X!
I will agree that Windows does redraw it's windows pretty fast though.
Most of them are free. But the upgrade from Windows 95 to 98 wasn't free, and it's still Windows 4.0. Apple has had a lot more upgrades to Mac OS in the same time frame.
When I got my first PowerMac in 1994, I was running System 7.5, then 7.5.1, 7.5.3, then 7.6, 7.6.1, Mac OS 8, 8.1, 8.5, 8.6, 8.6.1, 9.0, 9.0.4, 9.1, and now 9.2.1, and OS X, which had three free upgrades. The only upgrades I paid for were Mac OS 8, 9, (and I bought X) because I got the others with new Macs I bought.
My G4 came with 9.0.4 and I got 9.1 free, and will get 10.1 free too!
Just erase the hard drive silly! Apple doesn't really charge for the OS when you buy a computer from them. They make most of their money selling hardware... this is why they have always sold Mac OS so cheaply compared to Windows.
And it is true that most people buy Apple hardware for the whole system, especially the OS.
and where are they now? ;-)
Yeah! Farscape!
Sorry... had to lighten things up a little...
I was in NYC that morning. For everyone here who did not see this with your own eyes (TV does not count), you just can't imagine what it was like! I can still smell it...
Interestingly, a lot of companies still use DOS.
I sure do.. and my G4 doesn't have a floppy drive, and I don't miss it either!
For $1,690 you can get a 733 MHz G4 with 4 PCI slots (the briQ has one slot that doesn't even come as PCI) and three RAM slots. The BriQ has 2. Plus the 4X AGP slot with a nVidia card. And the CD-RW drive, keyboard, mouse, etc.
Other then the color, cosling more and having less features, the briQ and the G4 has more or less the same spcs.