I want the following: Note I just bought one for my wife, so I am no expert on the iPhone but here is my list.
1. Java - I can't believe this phone doesn't have it. 2. Flash - It may have it, so if so then remove this one. 3. 3G network speed 4. Ability to buy songs on 3G network. 5. Easy sync with Google applications - Calendar, Contacts etc. It sucks now. 6. Todo list. Perhaps it has one but I haven't found it yet. 7. Warranty if the phone gets damaged. 8. Warranty if the phone gets damaged. 9. Warranty if the phone gets damaged. 10.Warranty if the phone gets damaged. 11. Open up the freaking APIs!!! Then Google et all could write apps that I want on the phone. I understand that Apple doesn't want to "support" API's and they want to be able to swap out whatever they heck they want, but that will never happen in the long run. I wouldn't even mind if they forced every 3rd party app to be written in Java and then they just support the JVM, and can swap out whatever low level crap they want.
Nice review but I need a point of reference.
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I appreciate your feedback on this game, but to help me and others out it would be great to hear your opinion of some other PS3 games you have played and your overall opinion of them.
On a similar note I was thinking about picking up this game but unfortunately it is too violent for me to play around my family, and now am considering Heavenly Sword (T rating), and I can't wait for Eye of Judgment because my son loves Pokemon/Yu-Gi-Oh, so that game is a no brainer.
Again, what did you think of other PS3 games you have played? I am sure that someone who writes the review you did have played about all of them and it would help set some reference points if you and others (me) felt the same way on other games.
Thanks, and I can't wait to play GT5 Prologue this year.
Balmer, chair throwing.... Man that brings back memories. Speaking of memories... you do remember the company that champions the motto of "If it isn't invented here: kill it". Or "We need to piss all over Java2". Or better yet "You develop a browser for Windows 95 and we will cut off your air supply". These are just a few that I can think of, and there are plenty more. So to use your analogy, I could see Steve Balmer running in to the building and saving the 25 kids that actually bought Vista, then burning the rest of the building down, killing hundreds of other kids. Microsoft would of course spin this as "Balmer saves 25 kids from burning building" and say that the other kids died because the sprinkler system ran on a JVM.
If it sounds like I am jaded about Microsofts business practices then all I can say is look at the last 20 years and tell me why I shouldn't be. The good news is that they are floundering around now and can't seem to find their direction. They have lost their focus (much like IBM did in the past), and have way too many battles going on. Office profits dropping, New OS sales slumping, developers excited and working on other companies products.... ~40 billion in the bank now down to around 20 billion. 1 billion in recalls of the 360... Yes they are not going anywhere, but the 800 pound Gorilla is now down to around 300 pounds...
This product from them will go largely unnoticed by most of the development community except those that already live and breath Microsoft (current.Net developers).
I guess I do hate GCJ now that you mention it. The countless bugs I had to fight just to realize that it didn't work well has left scars on me that won't go away quickly.
I also know some people at RedHat (not well, I will admit) and their hate for Java makes view of GCJ appear to be love. They flat out HATE HATE HATE Java. Now they kept saying that they "couldn't ship Suns JVM", but the reality is that they don't want to ship one or include one easily like SuSE or Ubuntu.
If I implied that Eclipse had to be hacked to run on the JVM then I am sorry. I meant to say that RedHat hacked Eclipse to run under the GCJ, and thus lots of things didn't work well. The developer was left to think that Java + Eclipse was installed and would work great, yet it was this hacked version of Eclipse and GCJ that it was running on. The thing had a ton of bugs and would technically run, but not well.
Now it looks like RedHat/Fedora is looking at including the GPL version of Java, once they do that and then use this JVM as the main/core system for all Java programs then I will definitely change my tune on Redhat. Until then I will be skeptical.
Lastly, I want to make it clear that I am actually a Redhat fan and wish them well, but I ask you to talk to some of their engineers and ask them their opinion of Java. Now that they have bought Jboss it might be different, but a few years ago, I would equate it to walking in to Microsoft and asking them what they think of Linux if Linux just took 40% of their business.
Their mantra use to be "You get to Redmond through Palo Alto".
I have to say that the place I use to work standardized in Java and Linux on the servers and everything worked well. Then I left and they hired a new kid out of college that couldn't believe how "long" it took to code stuff using JSF/Java. He pushed and pushed to do a project in PHP. He quoted around one fifth the time to do a project that another developer had quoted to do in Java, saying that the time using PHP would more than make up the difference. In short, the project took around 2X as long as the original Java quote (~10X as long as he had quoted) and thus they are back to working with Java again. I am not about to say that any language is bad, but when you focus 70+% of your effort on business logic, (most of our work), then it is a little hard to believe someone when they say that language X is 5X faster than language Y.
My question about this new IDE from RedHat is this: Can I do visual JSF development in a true WYSIWYG environment like Netbeans?
Can I do Swing development in a WYSIWYG environemnt like Netbeans?
Can I easily choose not to use the custom components that you include? I would assume so, but my fear is that RedHat focused on this product working with JBOSS and getting it to work with other application servers may be a pain.
I like Eclipse, but I have found Netbeans 5.5 to be better for what I do so migrating back to Eclipse would take some great features, and would be interested to see how far this has come. Oh yeah, and one last, but very important thing. You still don't hack Eclipse on Linux to run under the GCJ crap do you? If you did that then I can only imagine all the problems I had using your product before would be back again. I hope now that Java is under the GPL that you don't mess with that abomination (GCJ) and have included the real JVM with your Linux and more specifically don't have any of your tools reliant on the GCJ.
Mountain Dew. All the commercials I see show these kids doing crazy stuff and drinking Dew, so there must be something in it that kills the ability of your brain to tell you that what you are about to do will probably put you in the hospital and you don't have insurance...
Then again, it could be Beer. I can remember seeing quite a few people at sporting events thinking they could do stuff that would obviously hurt them bad, yet they do it anyway...
Then again it could be women. I have seen many a young man do things incredibly brave/stupid just to impress a young lady.
God forbid someone drink a Dew/Beer combo and see a beautiful girl.:-)
"Bullshit. Unless you either sit right up next to the screen like a fucking retard or have fucking fictional cybernetic eyesight out of a Gibson novel, there's no way you can notice an appreciable difference between 720p and 1080p on a 24" set from a normal view distance of 4-8 feet, unless your display's native res is 1080p"
Who said I sit 4-8 feet away? I sit at right next to the screen like I do when I am coding, playing PS3 games or working on the computer. I am comfortable and enjoy to watch movies at my desk some times. Would I LOVE for a 40" Bravia TV? YES!!!! But I put the above comment in for retards like yourself that say that there is no difference. There is a HUGE difference and ANYONE can tell. So you just keep telling yourself that 720P is "good enough" if it makes you feel better.
Someone else said it but I think this tells it well...
Buying an HD-DVD player at this point is kind of like buying a ticket on the Titanic after it hit the iceberg.
Neither one is doing "great" but seeing that 95+% of all sales come from console and the PS3 just dropped the price another $100 and Christmas is around the corner... Well it isn't shocking that Blockbuster doesn't stock HD-DVD any more in their store.
It appears that this time the better technology is going to win out over the competition even though the competition is Microsoft+Toshiba+Warner. All this because of Java... Come on Microsoft you guys can code Java can't you? Oh wait I see now, you don't want a JVM in every household... Oh well you lost this one.
If you saw their E3 presentation and where companies like EA are putting resources in to then you would know the answer is yes.
Nintendo doesn't give a rats ass about "Hard Core". They don't even care about "Medium Core".
Bring in the casual games and mini games! We need a good 20 or 30 Mario Puzzle Battle Party games.
Oh an Electronic Arts, you get it great to. You can produce a bunch of crappy games and not have to pay your developers anything, then sell it for a full price game! Then you can take the same game and change it slightly and sell it next year and the year after for the price of a new game! (Note this is almost exactly what the CEO of Electronic Arts said at E3).
It could be, but my native resolution is 1920X1200 and 1920X1080 looks awesome. 1280X720 look "good" but not great. Wide screen SD (DVD Lord of the Rings) Looks very good but not in the league as a signal at 1280X720. I hear a TON of people that say that anyone who wants 1080P on anything lower than 40" is foolish and I can speak from experience that just isn't the case with my monitor.
So you have a multi thousand dollar PC sitting there holding your ripped DVD's. I have a 24" LCD and I can tell a HUGE difference between 720P and 1080P. Now having said that, it appears that the PS3 isn't for you, nor is it for anyone who has a standard def tv at the moment. However, if you have a HDTV and a large library of PS2 games then this isn't a bad buy at all.
Now for your argument that Microsoft isn't trying to "jam" something down my throat with the 360... Well I don't want or need another freaking DVD player, so why did they include it? Wasn't CD good enough... It is for me:-) Some people don't have HDTV's so why are they trying to cram HD down EVERYONES throat? You see the argument can go both ways... Sony included Blu-Ray in the PS3 and basically killed any chance of HD-DVD becoming the standard, but the cost of it may cause Sony to come in 3rd place with regards to console sales. Then again, some development shops are starting to fill over a 9GB DVD and like the 50GB of extra space that the PS3 provides, so in the next 3 or four years when the Xbox 720 or Wii 2 or whatever needs to come out, people can still use and buy a PS3. It is a tactical decision and I honestly don't know if it is the correct one, but I am not about to fault a company for pushing new technology.
As far as your argument of a streaming server... How many content providers are up for you doing that? I don't see many jumping at putting their HD content on iTunes, and ripping a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD disk is illegal so I imagine your HD content selection pretty much sucks now. Also, not that you care but you can use your PS3 to get that media off of your server and display it to your TV and then also stream it to your PSP over the internet if you wanted. Just to clarify, you can at this time download movies to your PSP OR have them streamed to your PSP. That to me is much cooler than say an iPod because I don't have to carry some 80GB ipod around with all the movies I "may" watch. I can keep them on a PS3 with some huge HD on it and then stream those to a PSP when I want to watch them. Granted, much like the iPod I could download them to the PSP and watch them locally, but I am not locked in to syncing. Again, not that you care but you could also take remote control of your PS3, download some new movies and then stream them to your PSP also.
Ok, enough for video crap. You may or may not care about that. The game lineup for the PS3 is poor, but there are some great games out. Motorstorm and Resistance fall of Man are two very good titles. The downloadable games Calling all Cars and Super Star dust and very good for under $10. Home looks to be a great way to interact with users online and if done correctly it will be (in my opinion) the best online experience of any of the new consoles. Little Big Planet looks to be a great game that may be out this fall. Ninja Gaiden Sigma (also on 360 but not as well done), appears to be a very good game, and Oblivion (also on multiple platforms but well done on PS3 with very low loading times... nice to have a HD in every system). Obviously future games like MGS4 and FF will be system sellers but those are not out yet and probably won't be out this year. In short there are quite a few very good games and some are on other consoles (primarily the 360). What I have found out is that the games developed for the 360 first and then ported to the PS3 look bad (not Wii bad), but bad, however games developed for the PS3 first look fantastic and play very well. I will also add that playing PS2 and PS1 games works very well. Seeing that the PS2 is still selling like mad, and developers are not going away from it, that is another nice option for "kids" games.
So I just laid out some very good games and there are quite a few more. Sony had and has some major issues but they are addressing them somewhat quickly. Would I love a PS3 for $200? Yes! But at the expense of quality (less than 1% of PS3 consoles are defective as opposed to another m
There are a ton of people just like you, and this is similar to what the PC industry went through just a few yers ago transitioning from CRT to LCD. A TON of people still have CRT monitors (I had a 21" Sony until last week) and they quickly moved to LCD. By quickly I mean YEARS!
So yes there are a TON of people that still have 27" inch sets they bought 10 years ago that still work great and they got them then because the price was around $400 to $600. However, the vast majority of new TV sets being sold (that are not portable) have been HD sets for the last 3 to 5 years now. Now that HD TV's have fallen to a price of under $1,000 (and in some cases $600), it appears that the "average" consumer would no longer buy a standard definition tv. This is analogous of the CRT, LCD computer market in that HDTVs are now "close enough" in price to standard TVs that NOBODY would buy a standard TV anymore. Even "poor" people will buy a HDTV.
Please note that I never said anything about the size of the TV. I use a 24" Gateway LCD monitor as one of my TV's and it is hooked up to my PS3 as well. It plays 1080P movies great and it looks awesome. Also, just to kill an argument that some people make... Yes I can tell a HUGE difference between 720P and 1080P on this "small" screen.
There have been quite a few stumbling blocks to HD adoption in the U.S.A and most of those have fallen, they are. 1. Price of the TV's - This isn't an issue any more. 2. No content - The content providers HATE HD, and they are dragging their feet, but there are enough consumers that will watch (and buy) other channels just because it is HD, so these content providers are being drug in to HD even if they hate it. Trust me, I know quite a few and to say they HATE HD is an understatement. They don't want to spend ANY money on technology and if they could they would still be on 1960 technology. 3. HD Players - It looks like Blu-Ray won this battle because of the PS3, and people are now renting movies that are HD. While this is a very very small segment, it is growing. It will not "replace" DVD until the players hit around the $100 price point, and that probably won't be until 2009.
So as the parent poster said 2 years. I will say 3 to 4 years and then Blu-Ray will be outselling standard DVD and stores will start to have more Blu-Ray than DVD.
I will say that downloadable content will be the future, but that is over 10 years away and that Blu-Ray is the stop gap until that time comes. Sorry to piss off all the Apple/iTunes/iTv people but that is quite a few years away. Granted I love the idea of taking my content to whatever device I want, but that is another discussion.
Now a question for you.... If your TV died today what TV would you get? A 42" 720P set now goes for $600... That is around the same price you paid for that 25" all those years ago:-) It will only get cheaper... A 36" 1080P TV is now around $1,000.... it would make a great monitor:-)
I hope they do realize that the Government isn't just going to print this money and give it to them. I also hope people are not so stupid to realize that this is their money, at least those who work; with a nice cut for the government employees taken out of it.
So in short they are using taxes to fund yet another socialist type of program. Lord knows the government runs so many other programs well... let me think... there is... well I am sure they will get one right someday...
NBC showing Americans killing kids in Afghanistan for 2 full minutes while providing almost zero coverage of anything going well.
I could go on and on, but without a company like Fox News around and now the Internet "news" sites around things like those would go unchecked and this goes for both sides (left and right). The good news is that the news media is now being challenged on things and they hate it. They lash out at anyone who calls them out on things and now they are loosing readers, listeners and watchers so this is hitting them from every direction. All in all this is good for everyone, but to say that the media hasn't been traditionally liberal and now see their influence dwindling would not be accurate. I understand their frustration, but now they have some competition and Americans have a choice to get their news... and more and more of them are tired of hearing the liberal mantra.
Now they could adapt and become more "in the middle" but history shows that won't happen for a long time.
Large companies tend to be conservative.... I would say that companies tend to be capitalistic and that tends to lean concervative.
Very amusing post, especially the weird tangent about socialized medicine. So, you don't think the government should handle defense of the borders, interstate commerce, or the military either, right?
To answer your question.
Interstate commerce: No, but understand that the ONLY reason the Interstate system was built in the U.S.A. was for the military.
The military - To a large degree yes, but you changed the discussion. I asked what government agency is run well, and it appears you picked the military and transportation business as examples. I would say that neither of them is run well at all.
If you honestly believe that the mainstream media hasn't been biased for many years, specifically leaning left then I think you need to do some serious self evaluation. The difference now is that they are being held accountable for some of their actions (to a small degree), and they don't have the influence they use to have just 15 years ago.
The core reason that Fox News is doing so well is primarily because a large segment of America was tired of the left leaning media.
Most people on the left tend to single out Fox News and seem to gloss over NBC, CBS, MSNBC, ABC, the New York Times and others that have leaned left for quiet a few years. Then you even have tax sponsored left leaning radio networks like NPR and TV networks like PBS.
Seeing that your family member works in the business (much like mine), I am sure you are aware of the LARGE percentage of people in the media that are openly liberal. A "guess" is around 80% This makes sense since they draw from journalism majors from colleges and they are a majority of liberals. I can also understand your anger with a company like Fox or any media outlet that doesn't lean left and gains market share away from the lefts ideology and it makes sense that they and you don't see the content of traditional mainstream media as left leaning. It is almost like asking a fanboy of Nintendo if Nintendo Power is biased. They will say no...
On point, I don't plan on stealing any of this guys films or seeing them, but I bet he is a fan of socialized medicine. Lord knows governments do such a good job of everything else, so we should turn over our heath care to them. If for some reason Michael doesn't advocate socialized medicine or glorify countries with socialized medicine then I apologize to him.
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Thanks for the reply, and perhaps you could add some insight on what your pricing is and a rough estimate of the number of employee purchases?
Also, please address my other points.
How many are in the channel now as an estimate? Specifically have your distributor sales gone way down recently, because they have enough units. I ask this because Microsoft did this with the 360 to "hit" the 10 million units "sold" and this appears to be another example of doing that. No product in history has ever been channel stuffed like the 360. Most estimates are that is was 4 to 6 million units! Please note that I wouldn't have said this about the Zune unless Microsoft has done something like this before.
My main point that you say is unsubstantiated could be easily addressed if Microsoft actually knew how many units have really been sold vs shipped.
Lastly, as I mentioned I am not about to say that the Zune sucks or is a bad product, or worse or better than any other player out there. What I am saying is that the sales figures are not accurate, and I base that off of Microsoft's past history of "hitting" numbers and the fact that I have never seen one in the wild and even the Microsoft die hard buyers around me won't buy a Zune.
This is similar to the PS3 sales. The difference is that most people know of someone who owns a PS3, and yet they have only sold around 2 million. Again, note that I didn't say that the PS3 sucks or is great, I am just saying that with 2 million sold you can actually see them in the wild.
Thanks for giving a Microsoft persons view on this, and I personally would love more open discussion with Microsoft on Slashdot.
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I strongly disagree. I don't ever notice what headphones people have but I look at what MP3 player they are listening to and I can say that I have never seen ANYONE using a Zune. I work in I.T. and am surrounded by a few Microsoft lemmings and yet none of them have even jumped on the bandwagon yet. Some of them won't buy an Ipod out of their hatred of Apple, but yet won't buy a Zune.... That says a lot.
I am willing to bet that Microsoft has around 50 to 60,000 employees and contractors and that a majority of these went to friends and families at a huge discount or free.
I challenge the 1 million sold and say that it is 1 million sold to distributors. I say that Microsoft is channel stuffing much like it did with the 360 and that the sales are probably far closer to 500k than 1 million. At 500k there will be "some" people here on slashdot that know someone who has one, but the vast majority of people won't have seen one in the wild.
Please note that I am NOT saying the Zune is a bad product, I am just saying that it isn't really at 1 million units in the wild.
Or it could fit on one 50GB Blu-Ray disk. I think we see one of the reasons HD-DVD is going to have issues.
Now my take on this. 1. The PS3 has a built in Blu-Ray player and like it or not there are 3 million of those already out there and will probably be over 6 million produced this year. Granted it isn't 10 or 15 million but it is still 6 million. Will HD-DVD even produce 500k? 2. Because of the PS3 and producing millions they have reduced the mfg cost, and can now start to lower the cost to consumers. So the cost difference is slowly going away and putting huge pressure on HD-DVD (Toshiba) to take even more loss in their system. Microsoft is obviously giving them money, or else they would have folded already. 3. The content providers lined up behind Blu-Ray and are reluctantly supporting it. 4. The "average" consumer doesn't care about either technology now and if either player cost more than $40 more than a "standard" DVD player they won't buy one. So both are "premium" items for the foreseeable future. Thus it will be the gaming market to drive sales of either brand and again, because of the PS3 Blu-Ray wins.
Lets be honest here. If it wasn't for Microsoft, this battle would have been over in the U.S. already. I understand that the last thing they want to do is to have to license Java from Sun again, but with Java now going GPL'd they may be able to work something out. I also understand Microsofts mantra of "If it isn't invented here... kill it". But this is one instance where they couldn't leverage their desktop to win the war and it shows. They could have put an HD-DVD player in every 360 but they chose not to and thus will probably sell more 360's for the next few years over the PS3 but at a cost of this format war and now they will probably have to eat some crow and work with Sun again.
Sony on the other hand could wind up third in the console war this time, but win the format war. If they don't address the price of the PS3 this year then it is obvious that their sales will not reach 10 million and that will be seen as a failure in a lot of peoples eyes. Granted they have other issues as well, like getting out more games, but the price is the largest issue.
I was not trying to start a flame war, my questions didn't deserve snide remarks.
My first question. 1. Why does Apple not mention Java at all in their programming features of their new OS? They mention Ruby, Objective C and others but not one mention of Java.
Your response... "Because Apple is secretly trying to wean developers off of Java. They secretly hate Java, even though they write and maintain one of the most visible signs that Java even exists (the iTunes Music Store on WebObjects, a pure Java development framework) and probably the largest single revenue generating Java application of all time (especially considering that the iPod phenomenon wouldn't have happened without iTMS)."
Google and Ebay are Java based but I get your point. Also, as I said there are a TON of people within Apple that love Java and work hard on it. However, the overall message that is being sent from Steve Jobs is that he isn't a big fan of Java on the desktop or cell phone. Do you disagree? You also dodged my question of why they don't even mention it on their developer page for 10.5. One of the largest programming languages in the world and you don't even mention it?
My question 2
2. Why are they stuck on build 88 of the developer release (NDA required) of Java 6 for OSX and it hasn't been updated in forever?
Your response... "Because Apple secretly hates Java. The most super-secrete of the special secret Leopard features is that it will support... no Java! The Java runtime and libraries which take up too much hard disk space will be removed from the distribution so that it will fit on the iPhone."
Um, I guess you were trying to be funny. Java 6 will "probably" be out on Mac OSX 10.5 but that isn't until October at the earliest. It isn't unreasonable to think it will be after that, much like Java 5 was. Now Steve Jobs allowing Java "the old ball and chain" on his precious Iphone... That is funny. So funny it is sad.
My next question
2. Why are they stuck on build 88 of the developer release (NDA required) of Java 6 for OSX and it hasn't been updated in forever?
Your response... "Because Apple are trying to drop a few hints to those developers who can carefully read the tea leaves. If you're smart, you'll be migrating your mountain of Pure Java 6 applications to Cocoa to be ready for Leopard. Oh, and ultimately because Apple secretly hates Java."
I assume you mean Objective C in your answer. The last part may actually be true for Steve Jobs. Who knows? It wouldn't take much for Apple to make some formal announcement on this issue. It has only been 10 freaking months, and tons of people are asking about it. Would it take too much to say "We will only support Java 6 on 10.5" or "We want to focus our developers to objective c on our platform and we will continue to support Java but for development of desktop products we recommend not using it". Um on second thought that is the message they are sending out by NOT answering any of these questions.
My last question..
3. Why is it that Apple appears to tie JVM updates to the OS as opposed to Microsoft Windows, Linux and Solaris? So, if I want to develop a cool web start application in Java 6 this year and release it after OSX 10.5 is released (and thus Java 6), Macintosh users will be forced to upgrade their entire OS just to run this application. Yet someone running Windows 2k, a 7 year old OS will run it fine. Even a RedHat 7.3 OS would run it!
"It seems unlikely to me that anyone running anything on Windows 2k, a 7 year old OS, will run anything "fine" but I guess you're entitled to your opinion. It's because Apple hates Java, and they hate people who run a 7 year old OS, even if it's Mac OS. Parity would require Java 6 support on Mac OS 8, so basically you and the horse you rode in on can go get, uhm, acquainted while you're waiting for parity with absurd design decisions made by Windows developers in the bowels of Su
Why has Apple not updated to Java 6 when it has been out for a long time?
I will add some more questions but first let me say that I just bought a Mac Pro and am a Java developer. I personally will have no problem removing OSX and installing Windows XP or Ubuntu on it if Apple doesn't address this issue soon.
1. Why does Apple not mention Java at all in their programming features of their new OS? They mention Ruby, Objective C and others but not one mention of Java.
2. Why are they stuck on build 88 of the developer release (NDA required) of Java 6 for OSX and it hasen't been updated in forever?
3. Why is it that Apple appears to tie JVM updates to the OS as opposed to Microsoft Windows, Linux and Solaris? So, if I want to develop a cool web start application in Java 6 this year and release it after OSX 10.5 is released (and thus Java 6), Macintosh users will be forced to upgrade their entire OS just to run this application. Yet someone running Windows 2k, a 7 year old OS will run it fine. Even a RedHat 7.3 OS would run it!
Please explain these so I can better understand how Apple loves Java. With Java you are not locked in to any particular platform and it is clear that a lot of desktop companies don't like that. Microsoft and Apple being the two I am talking about. I am not saying that all of Apple hates Java; in fact I am sure that there are some great Java developers and projects going on. I believe this comes from higher up. Steve Jobs basically said that Java was a "ball and chain"... Now did he mean it on a phone? or overall? If most of the Apple community developed in Java then moving to Linux or even "gasp" Windows would be very easy and I am sure that doesn't sit well with him.
I believe that Sun should take over Java development for OSX and I personally wouldn't care if it wasn't as "cool" or fast, but at least then I could be safe in saying that most modern OSX systems would run modern Java.
Please before any Apple fanboys start flaming me, remember I just sunk around 4k of my own money on a Macintosh. This is the computer I will be living with for the next 3-5 years.
The average Walmart shopper doesn't care about 1080P DVDs. NASCAR doesn't ship at 1080P and those same people will spend a lot on a TV + HDTV signal to get football and NASCAR in HD but they are not the same people that will spend an extra $100 on a DVD player to watch Dances With Wolves.
So it comes down to content and the amount of players on the market. Sony appears to have a very large lead here and it doesn't appear to be changing this year or next. I see a few people looking at HD-DVD and then saying "What movies can I get now?" then they look at the movies being released this year and see the movies coming out on Blue Ray and then decide to wait because they think their standard DVD player is ok. It will be VERY interesting to see how many of these sell this year for Walmart. Then there are those that have bought a PS3 or are waiting to buy a PS3, they know they have a Blue Ray player and when they see a movie they like that is produced in Blue Ray they buy it. Every price drop Sony makes with the PS3 and every "must have game (MGS4, GT5, FF), that comes out just helps to cement that format even more.
Obviously Microsoft + Warner are doing everything they can to help HD-DVD and kill Blue Ray, and I suspect that this company is somehow getting some extra cash, but at the end of the day it won't matter.
Unless these new HD-DVD players are the EXACT same price as a standard DVD player (~$60) then it really doesn't matter for HD-DVD. It is all but dead. $200 might as well be $5000 to the standard Walmart shopper.
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I want the following: Note I just bought one for my wife, so I am no expert on the iPhone but here is my list.
1. Java - I can't believe this phone doesn't have it.
2. Flash - It may have it, so if so then remove this one.
3. 3G network speed
4. Ability to buy songs on 3G network.
5. Easy sync with Google applications - Calendar, Contacts etc. It sucks now.
6. Todo list. Perhaps it has one but I haven't found it yet.
7. Warranty if the phone gets damaged.
8. Warranty if the phone gets damaged.
9. Warranty if the phone gets damaged.
10.Warranty if the phone gets damaged.
11. Open up the freaking APIs!!! Then Google et all could write apps that I want on the phone. I understand that Apple doesn't want to "support" API's and they want to be able to swap out whatever they heck they want, but that will never happen in the long run. I wouldn't even mind if they forced every 3rd party app to be written in Java and then they just support the JVM, and can swap out whatever low level crap they want.
I appreciate your feedback on this game, but to help me and others out it would be great to hear your opinion of some other PS3 games you have played and your overall opinion of them.
On a similar note I was thinking about picking up this game but unfortunately it is too violent for me to play around my family, and now am considering Heavenly Sword (T rating), and I can't wait for Eye of Judgment because my son loves Pokemon/Yu-Gi-Oh, so that game is a no brainer.
Again, what did you think of other PS3 games you have played? I am sure that someone who writes the review you did have played about all of them and it would help set some reference points if you and others (me) felt the same way on other games.
Thanks, and I can't wait to play GT5 Prologue this year.
Balmer, chair throwing.... Man that brings back memories. Speaking of memories... you do remember the company that champions the motto of "If it isn't invented here: kill it". Or "We need to piss all over Java2". Or better yet "You develop a browser for Windows 95 and we will cut off your air supply". These are just a few that I can think of, and there are plenty more. So to use your analogy, I could see Steve Balmer running in to the building and saving the 25 kids that actually bought Vista, then burning the rest of the building down, killing hundreds of other kids. Microsoft would of course spin this as "Balmer saves 25 kids from burning building" and say that the other kids died because the sprinkler system ran on a JVM.
.Net developers).
If it sounds like I am jaded about Microsofts business practices then all I can say is look at the last 20 years and tell me why I shouldn't be. The good news is that they are floundering around now and can't seem to find their direction. They have lost their focus (much like IBM did in the past), and have way too many battles going on. Office profits dropping, New OS sales slumping, developers excited and working on other companies products.... ~40 billion in the bank now down to around 20 billion. 1 billion in recalls of the 360... Yes they are not going anywhere, but the 800 pound Gorilla is now down to around 300 pounds...
This product from them will go largely unnoticed by most of the development community except those that already live and breath Microsoft (current
I guess I do hate GCJ now that you mention it. The countless bugs I had to fight just to realize that it didn't work well has left scars on me that won't go away quickly.
I also know some people at RedHat (not well, I will admit) and their hate for Java makes view of GCJ appear to be love. They flat out HATE HATE HATE Java. Now they kept saying that they "couldn't ship Suns JVM", but the reality is that they don't want to ship one or include one easily like SuSE or Ubuntu.
If I implied that Eclipse had to be hacked to run on the JVM then I am sorry. I meant to say that RedHat hacked Eclipse to run under the GCJ, and thus lots of things didn't work well. The developer was left to think that Java + Eclipse was installed and would work great, yet it was this hacked version of Eclipse and GCJ that it was running on. The thing had a ton of bugs and would technically run, but not well.
Now it looks like RedHat/Fedora is looking at including the GPL version of Java, once they do that and then use this JVM as the main/core system for all Java programs then I will definitely change my tune on Redhat. Until then I will be skeptical.
Lastly, I want to make it clear that I am actually a Redhat fan and wish them well, but I ask you to talk to some of their engineers and ask them their opinion of Java. Now that they have bought Jboss it might be different, but a few years ago, I would equate it to walking in to Microsoft and asking them what they think of Linux if Linux just took 40% of their business.
Their mantra use to be "You get to Redmond through Palo Alto".
Substitute the word Firefox for Black people or Hispanic people and this is how this company should be treated.
I suspect this company won't be around long and that is a good thing OR... their incompetent management will "move on to bigger and better" things.
Well put.
I have to say that the place I use to work standardized in Java and Linux on the servers and everything worked well. Then I left and they hired a new kid out of college that couldn't believe how "long" it took to code stuff using JSF/Java. He pushed and pushed to do a project in PHP. He quoted around one fifth the time to do a project that another developer had quoted to do in Java, saying that the time using PHP would more than make up the difference. In short, the project took around 2X as long as the original Java quote (~10X as long as he had quoted) and thus they are back to working with Java again. I am not about to say that any language is bad, but when you focus 70+% of your effort on business logic, (most of our work), then it is a little hard to believe someone when they say that language X is 5X faster than language Y.
My question about this new IDE from RedHat is this:
Can I do visual JSF development in a true WYSIWYG environment like Netbeans?
Can I do Swing development in a WYSIWYG environemnt like Netbeans?
Can I easily choose not to use the custom components that you include? I would assume so, but my fear is that RedHat focused on this product working with JBOSS and getting it to work with other application servers may be a pain.
I like Eclipse, but I have found Netbeans 5.5 to be better for what I do so migrating back to Eclipse would take some great features, and would be interested to see how far this has come. Oh yeah, and one last, but very important thing. You still don't hack Eclipse on Linux to run under the GCJ crap do you? If you did that then I can only imagine all the problems I had using your product before would be back again. I hope now that Java is under the GPL that you don't mess with that abomination (GCJ) and have included the real JVM with your Linux and more specifically don't have any of your tools reliant on the GCJ.
Mountain Dew. All the commercials I see show these kids doing crazy stuff and drinking Dew, so there must be something in it that kills the ability of your brain to tell you that what you are about to do will probably put you in the hospital and you don't have insurance...
:-)
Then again, it could be Beer. I can remember seeing quite a few people at sporting events thinking they could do stuff that would obviously hurt them bad, yet they do it anyway...
Then again it could be women. I have seen many a young man do things incredibly brave/stupid just to impress a young lady.
God forbid someone drink a Dew/Beer combo and see a beautiful girl.
"Bullshit. Unless you either sit right up next to the screen like a fucking retard or have fucking fictional cybernetic eyesight out of a Gibson novel, there's no way you can notice an appreciable difference between 720p and 1080p on a 24" set from a normal view distance of 4-8 feet, unless your display's native res is 1080p"
Who said I sit 4-8 feet away? I sit at right next to the screen like I do when I am coding, playing PS3 games or working on the computer. I am comfortable and enjoy to watch movies at my desk some times. Would I LOVE for a 40" Bravia TV? YES!!!! But I put the above comment in for retards like yourself that say that there is no difference. There is a HUGE difference and ANYONE can tell. So you just keep telling yourself that 720P is "good enough" if it makes you feel better.
Someone else said it but I think this tells it well...
Buying an HD-DVD player at this point is kind of like buying a ticket on the Titanic after it hit the iceberg.
Neither one is doing "great" but seeing that 95+% of all sales come from console and the PS3 just dropped the price another $100 and Christmas is around the corner... Well it isn't shocking that Blockbuster doesn't stock HD-DVD any more in their store.
It appears that this time the better technology is going to win out over the competition even though the competition is Microsoft+Toshiba+Warner. All this because of Java... Come on Microsoft you guys can code Java can't you? Oh wait I see now, you don't want a JVM in every household... Oh well you lost this one.
If you saw their E3 presentation and where companies like EA are putting resources in to then you would know the answer is yes.
Nintendo doesn't give a rats ass about "Hard Core". They don't even care about "Medium Core".
Bring in the casual games and mini games! We need a good 20 or 30 Mario Puzzle Battle Party games.
Oh an Electronic Arts, you get it great to. You can produce a bunch of crappy games and not have to pay your developers anything, then sell it for a full price game! Then you can take the same game and change it slightly and sell it next year and the year after for the price of a new game!
(Note this is almost exactly what the CEO of Electronic Arts said at E3).
It could be, but my native resolution is 1920X1200 and 1920X1080 looks awesome. 1280X720 look "good" but not great. Wide screen SD (DVD Lord of the Rings) Looks very good but not in the league as a signal at 1280X720. I hear a TON of people that say that anyone who wants 1080P on anything lower than 40" is foolish and I can speak from experience that just isn't the case with my monitor.
So you have a multi thousand dollar PC sitting there holding your ripped DVD's. I have a 24" LCD and I can tell a HUGE difference between 720P and 1080P. Now having said that, it appears that the PS3 isn't for you, nor is it for anyone who has a standard def tv at the moment. However, if you have a HDTV and a large library of PS2 games then this isn't a bad buy at all.
:-) Some people don't have HDTV's so why are they trying to cram HD down EVERYONES throat? You see the argument can go both ways... Sony included Blu-Ray in the PS3 and basically killed any chance of HD-DVD becoming the standard, but the cost of it may cause Sony to come in 3rd place with regards to console sales. Then again, some development shops are starting to fill over a 9GB DVD and like the 50GB of extra space that the PS3 provides, so in the next 3 or four years when the Xbox 720 or Wii 2 or whatever needs to come out, people can still use and buy a PS3. It is a tactical decision and I honestly don't know if it is the correct one, but I am not about to fault a company for pushing new technology.
Now for your argument that Microsoft isn't trying to "jam" something down my throat with the 360... Well I don't want or need another freaking DVD player, so why did they include it? Wasn't CD good enough... It is for me
As far as your argument of a streaming server... How many content providers are up for you doing that? I don't see many jumping at putting their HD content on iTunes, and ripping a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD disk is illegal so I imagine your HD content selection pretty much sucks now. Also, not that you care but you can use your PS3 to get that media off of your server and display it to your TV and then also stream it to your PSP over the internet if you wanted. Just to clarify, you can at this time download movies to your PSP OR have them streamed to your PSP. That to me is much cooler than say an iPod because I don't have to carry some 80GB ipod around with all the movies I "may" watch. I can keep them on a PS3 with some huge HD on it and then stream those to a PSP when I want to watch them. Granted, much like the iPod I could download them to the PSP and watch them locally, but I am not locked in to syncing. Again, not that you care but you could also take remote control of your PS3, download some new movies and then stream them to your PSP also.
Ok, enough for video crap. You may or may not care about that. The game lineup for the PS3 is poor, but there are some great games out. Motorstorm and Resistance fall of Man are two very good titles. The downloadable games Calling all Cars and Super Star dust and very good for under $10. Home looks to be a great way to interact with users online and if done correctly it will be (in my opinion) the best online experience of any of the new consoles. Little Big Planet looks to be a great game that may be out this fall. Ninja Gaiden Sigma (also on 360 but not as well done), appears to be a very good game, and Oblivion (also on multiple platforms but well done on PS3 with very low loading times... nice to have a HD in every system). Obviously future games like MGS4 and FF will be system sellers but those are not out yet and probably won't be out this year. In short there are quite a few very good games and some are on other consoles (primarily the 360). What I have found out is that the games developed for the 360 first and then ported to the PS3 look bad (not Wii bad), but bad, however games developed for the PS3 first look fantastic and play very well. I will also add that playing PS2 and PS1 games works very well. Seeing that the PS2 is still selling like mad, and developers are not going away from it, that is another nice option for "kids" games.
So I just laid out some very good games and there are quite a few more. Sony had and has some major issues but they are addressing them somewhat quickly. Would I love a PS3 for $200? Yes! But at the expense of quality (less than 1% of PS3 consoles are defective as opposed to another m
27" SDTV at Walmart (Crappy brand) is around $250.
27" LCD HDTV is around $400.
Most people, I would say 99% would opt for a TV that is far far far more future proof.
There are a ton of people just like you, and this is similar to what the PC industry went through just a few yers ago transitioning from CRT to LCD. A TON of people still have CRT monitors (I had a 21" Sony until last week) and they quickly moved to LCD. By quickly I mean YEARS!
:-) It will only get cheaper... A 36" 1080P TV is now around $1,000.... it would make a great monitor :-)
So yes there are a TON of people that still have 27" inch sets they bought 10 years ago that still work great and they got them then because the price was around $400 to $600. However, the vast majority of new TV sets being sold (that are not portable) have been HD sets for the last 3 to 5 years now. Now that HD TV's have fallen to a price of under $1,000 (and in some cases $600), it appears that the "average" consumer would no longer buy a standard definition tv. This is analogous of the CRT, LCD computer market in that HDTVs are now "close enough" in price to standard TVs that NOBODY would buy a standard TV anymore. Even "poor" people will buy a HDTV.
Please note that I never said anything about the size of the TV. I use a 24" Gateway LCD monitor as one of my TV's and it is hooked up to my PS3 as well. It plays 1080P movies great and it looks awesome. Also, just to kill an argument that some people make... Yes I can tell a HUGE difference between 720P and 1080P on this "small" screen.
There have been quite a few stumbling blocks to HD adoption in the U.S.A and most of those have fallen, they are.
1. Price of the TV's - This isn't an issue any more.
2. No content - The content providers HATE HD, and they are dragging their feet, but there are enough consumers that will watch (and buy) other channels just because it is HD, so these content providers are being drug in to HD even if they hate it. Trust me, I know quite a few and to say they HATE HD is an understatement. They don't want to spend ANY money on technology and if they could they would still be on 1960 technology.
3. HD Players - It looks like Blu-Ray won this battle because of the PS3, and people are now renting movies that are HD. While this is a very very small segment, it is growing. It will not "replace" DVD until the players hit around the $100 price point, and that probably won't be until 2009.
So as the parent poster said 2 years. I will say 3 to 4 years and then Blu-Ray will be outselling standard DVD and stores will start to have more Blu-Ray than DVD.
I will say that downloadable content will be the future, but that is over 10 years away and that Blu-Ray is the stop gap until that time comes. Sorry to piss off all the Apple/iTunes/iTv people but that is quite a few years away. Granted I love the idea of taking my content to whatever device I want, but that is another discussion.
Now a question for you.... If your TV died today what TV would you get? A 42" 720P set now goes for $600... That is around the same price you paid for that 25" all those years ago
I hope they do realize that the Government isn't just going to print this money and give it to them. I also hope people are not so stupid to realize that this is their money, at least those who work; with a nice cut for the government employees taken out of it.
So in short they are using taxes to fund yet another socialist type of program. Lord knows the government runs so many other programs well... let me think... there is... well I am sure they will get one right someday...
Dan Rather. CBS fiasco.
NBC showing Americans killing kids in Afghanistan for 2 full minutes while providing almost zero coverage of anything going well.
I could go on and on, but without a company like Fox News around and now the Internet "news" sites around things like those would go unchecked and this goes for both sides (left and right). The good news is that the news media is now being challenged on things and they hate it. They lash out at anyone who calls them out on things and now they are loosing readers, listeners and watchers so this is hitting them from every direction. All in all this is good for everyone, but to say that the media hasn't been traditionally liberal and now see their influence dwindling would not be accurate. I understand their frustration, but now they have some competition and Americans have a choice to get their news... and more and more of them are tired of hearing the liberal mantra.
Now they could adapt and become more "in the middle" but history shows that won't happen for a long time.
Large companies tend to be conservative.... I would say that companies tend to be capitalistic and that tends to lean concervative.
Very amusing post, especially the weird tangent about socialized medicine. So, you don't think the government should handle defense of the borders, interstate commerce, or the military either, right?
To answer your question.
Interstate commerce: No, but understand that the ONLY reason the Interstate system was built in the U.S.A. was for the military.
The military - To a large degree yes, but you changed the discussion. I asked what government agency is run well, and it appears you picked the military and transportation business as examples. I would say that neither of them is run well at all.
So in short thanks for making my point.
If you honestly believe that the mainstream media hasn't been biased for many years, specifically leaning left then I think you need to do some serious self evaluation. The difference now is that they are being held accountable for some of their actions (to a small degree), and they don't have the influence they use to have just 15 years ago.
The core reason that Fox News is doing so well is primarily because a large segment of America was tired of the left leaning media.
Most people on the left tend to single out Fox News and seem to gloss over NBC, CBS, MSNBC, ABC, the New York Times and others that have leaned left for quiet a few years. Then you even have tax sponsored left leaning radio networks like NPR and TV networks like PBS.
Seeing that your family member works in the business (much like mine), I am sure you are aware of the LARGE percentage of people in the media that are openly liberal. A "guess" is around 80% This makes sense since they draw from journalism majors from colleges and they are a majority of liberals. I can also understand your anger with a company like Fox or any media outlet that doesn't lean left and gains market share away from the lefts ideology and it makes sense that they and you don't see the content of traditional mainstream media as left leaning. It is almost like asking a fanboy of Nintendo if Nintendo Power is biased. They will say no...
On point, I don't plan on stealing any of this guys films or seeing them, but I bet he is a fan of socialized medicine. Lord knows governments do such a good job of everything else, so we should turn over our heath care to them. If for some reason Michael doesn't advocate socialized medicine or glorify countries with socialized medicine then I apologize to him.
Thanks for the reply, and perhaps you could add some insight on what your pricing is and a rough estimate of the number of employee purchases?
Also, please address my other points.
How many are in the channel now as an estimate? Specifically have your distributor sales gone way down recently, because they have enough units. I ask this because Microsoft did this with the 360 to "hit" the 10 million units "sold" and this appears to be another example of doing that. No product in history has ever been channel stuffed like the 360. Most estimates are that is was 4 to 6 million units! Please note that I wouldn't have said this about the Zune unless Microsoft has done something like this before.
My main point that you say is unsubstantiated could be easily addressed if Microsoft actually knew how many units have really been sold vs shipped.
Lastly, as I mentioned I am not about to say that the Zune sucks or is a bad product, or worse or better than any other player out there. What I am saying is that the sales figures are not accurate, and I base that off of Microsoft's past history of "hitting" numbers and the fact that I have never seen one in the wild and even the Microsoft die hard buyers around me won't buy a Zune.
This is similar to the PS3 sales. The difference is that most people know of someone who owns a PS3, and yet they have only sold around 2 million. Again, note that I didn't say that the PS3 sucks or is great, I am just saying that with 2 million sold you can actually see them in the wild.
Thanks for giving a Microsoft persons view on this, and I personally would love more open discussion with Microsoft on Slashdot.
I strongly disagree. I don't ever notice what headphones people have but I look at what MP3 player they are listening to and I can say that I have never seen ANYONE using a Zune. I work in I.T. and am surrounded by a few Microsoft lemmings and yet none of them have even jumped on the bandwagon yet. Some of them won't buy an Ipod out of their hatred of Apple, but yet won't buy a Zune.... That says a lot.
I am willing to bet that Microsoft has around 50 to 60,000 employees and contractors and that a majority of these went to friends and families at a huge discount or free.
I challenge the 1 million sold and say that it is 1 million sold to distributors. I say that Microsoft is channel stuffing much like it did with the 360 and that the sales are probably far closer to 500k than 1 million. At 500k there will be "some" people here on slashdot that know someone who has one, but the vast majority of people won't have seen one in the wild.
Please note that I am NOT saying the Zune is a bad product, I am just saying that it isn't really at 1 million units in the wild.
Did they say at one time? :-)
:-)
My old Amiga could do 4096 colors, just as long as it was only 16 at a time.
Yes I know it could do a lower resolution and get all of them at one time... It is a joke.
Or it could fit on one 50GB Blu-Ray disk. I think we see one of the reasons HD-DVD is going to have issues.
Now my take on this.
1. The PS3 has a built in Blu-Ray player and like it or not there are 3 million of those already out there and will probably be over 6 million produced this year. Granted it isn't 10 or 15 million but it is still 6 million. Will HD-DVD even produce 500k?
2. Because of the PS3 and producing millions they have reduced the mfg cost, and can now start to lower the cost to consumers. So the cost difference is slowly going away and putting huge pressure on HD-DVD (Toshiba) to take even more loss in their system. Microsoft is obviously giving them money, or else they would have folded already.
3. The content providers lined up behind Blu-Ray and are reluctantly supporting it.
4. The "average" consumer doesn't care about either technology now and if either player cost more than $40 more than a "standard" DVD player they won't buy one. So both are "premium" items for the foreseeable future. Thus it will be the gaming market to drive sales of either brand and again, because of the PS3 Blu-Ray wins.
Lets be honest here. If it wasn't for Microsoft, this battle would have been over in the U.S. already. I understand that the last thing they want to do is to have to license Java from Sun again, but with Java now going GPL'd they may be able to work something out. I also understand Microsofts mantra of "If it isn't invented here... kill it". But this is one instance where they couldn't leverage their desktop to win the war and it shows. They could have put an HD-DVD player in every 360 but they chose not to and thus will probably sell more 360's for the next few years over the PS3 but at a cost of this format war and now they will probably have to eat some crow and work with Sun again.
Sony on the other hand could wind up third in the console war this time, but win the format war. If they don't address the price of the PS3 this year then it is obvious that their sales will not reach 10 million and that will be seen as a failure in a lot of peoples eyes. Granted they have other issues as well, like getting out more games, but the price is the largest issue.
I was not trying to start a flame war, my questions didn't deserve snide remarks.
My first question.
1. Why does Apple not mention Java at all in their programming features of their new OS? They mention Ruby, Objective C and others but not one mention of Java.
Your response...
"Because Apple is secretly trying to wean developers off of Java. They secretly hate Java, even though they write and maintain one of the most visible signs that Java even exists (the iTunes Music Store on WebObjects, a pure Java development framework) and probably the largest single revenue generating Java application of all time (especially considering that the iPod phenomenon wouldn't have happened without iTMS)."
Google and Ebay are Java based but I get your point. Also, as I said there are a TON of people within Apple that love Java and work hard on it. However, the overall message that is being sent from Steve Jobs is that he isn't a big fan of Java on the desktop or cell phone. Do you disagree? You also dodged my question of why they don't even mention it on their developer page for 10.5. One of the largest programming languages in the world and you don't even mention it?
My question 2
2. Why are they stuck on build 88 of the developer release (NDA required) of Java 6 for OSX and it hasn't been updated in forever?
Your response...
"Because Apple secretly hates Java. The most super-secrete of the special secret Leopard features is that it will support... no Java! The Java runtime and libraries which take up too much hard disk space will be removed from the distribution so that it will fit on the iPhone."
Um, I guess you were trying to be funny. Java 6 will "probably" be out on Mac OSX 10.5 but that isn't until October at the earliest. It isn't unreasonable to think it will be after that, much like Java 5 was. Now Steve Jobs allowing Java "the old ball and chain" on his precious Iphone... That is funny. So funny it is sad.
My next question
2. Why are they stuck on build 88 of the developer release (NDA required) of Java 6 for OSX and it hasn't been updated in forever?
Your response...
"Because Apple are trying to drop a few hints to those developers who can carefully read the tea leaves. If you're smart, you'll be migrating your mountain of Pure Java 6 applications to Cocoa to be ready for Leopard. Oh, and ultimately because Apple secretly hates Java."
I assume you mean Objective C in your answer. The last part may actually be true for Steve Jobs. Who knows? It wouldn't take much for Apple to make some formal announcement on this issue. It has only been 10 freaking months, and tons of people are asking about it. Would it take too much to say "We will only support Java 6 on 10.5" or "We want to focus our developers to objective c on our platform and we will continue to support Java but for development of desktop products we recommend not using it". Um on second thought that is the message they are sending out by NOT answering any of these questions.
My last question..
3. Why is it that Apple appears to tie JVM updates to the OS as opposed to Microsoft Windows, Linux and Solaris? So, if I want to develop a cool web start application in Java 6 this year and release it after OSX 10.5 is released (and thus Java 6), Macintosh users will be forced to upgrade their entire OS just to run this application. Yet someone running Windows 2k, a 7 year old OS will run it fine. Even a RedHat 7.3 OS would run it!
"It seems unlikely to me that anyone running anything on Windows 2k, a 7 year old OS, will run anything "fine" but I guess you're entitled to your opinion. It's because Apple hates Java, and they hate people who run a 7 year old OS, even if it's Mac OS. Parity would require Java 6 support on Mac OS 8, so basically you and the horse you rode in on can go get, uhm, acquainted while you're waiting for parity with absurd design decisions made by Windows developers in the bowels of Su
You didn't answer his main point.
Why has Apple not updated to Java 6 when it has been out for a long time?
I will add some more questions but first let me say that I just bought a Mac Pro and am a Java developer. I personally will have no problem removing OSX and installing Windows XP or Ubuntu on it if Apple doesn't address this issue soon.
1. Why does Apple not mention Java at all in their programming features of their new OS? They mention Ruby, Objective C and others but not one mention of Java.
2. Why are they stuck on build 88 of the developer release (NDA required) of Java 6 for OSX and it hasen't been updated in forever?
3. Why is it that Apple appears to tie JVM updates to the OS as opposed to Microsoft Windows, Linux and Solaris? So, if I want to develop a cool web start application in Java 6 this year and release it after OSX 10.5 is released (and thus Java 6), Macintosh users will be forced to upgrade their entire OS just to run this application. Yet someone running Windows 2k, a 7 year old OS will run it fine. Even a RedHat 7.3 OS would run it!
Please explain these so I can better understand how Apple loves Java. With Java you are not locked in to any particular platform and it is clear that a lot of desktop companies don't like that. Microsoft and Apple being the two I am talking about. I am not saying that all of Apple hates Java; in fact I am sure that there are some great Java developers and projects going on. I believe this comes from higher up.
Steve Jobs basically said that Java was a "ball and chain"... Now did he mean it on a phone? or overall? If most of the Apple community developed in Java then moving to Linux or even "gasp" Windows would be very easy and I am sure that doesn't sit well with him.
I believe that Sun should take over Java development for OSX and I personally wouldn't care if it wasn't as "cool" or fast, but at least then I could be safe in saying that most modern OSX systems would run modern Java.
Please before any Apple fanboys start flaming me, remember I just sunk around 4k of my own money on a Macintosh. This is the computer I will be living with for the next 3-5 years.
The average Walmart shopper doesn't care about 1080P DVDs. NASCAR doesn't ship at 1080P and those same people will spend a lot on a TV + HDTV signal to get football and NASCAR in HD but they are not the same people that will spend an extra $100 on a DVD player to watch Dances With Wolves.
So it comes down to content and the amount of players on the market. Sony appears to have a very large lead here and it doesn't appear to be changing this year or next. I see a few people looking at HD-DVD and then saying "What movies can I get now?" then they look at the movies being released this year and see the movies coming out on Blue Ray and then decide to wait because they think their standard DVD player is ok. It will be VERY interesting to see how many of these sell this year for Walmart. Then there are those that have bought a PS3 or are waiting to buy a PS3, they know they have a Blue Ray player and when they see a movie they like that is produced in Blue Ray they buy it. Every price drop Sony makes with the PS3 and every "must have game (MGS4, GT5, FF), that comes out just helps to cement that format even more.
Obviously Microsoft + Warner are doing everything they can to help HD-DVD and kill Blue Ray, and I suspect that this company is somehow getting some extra cash, but at the end of the day it won't matter.
Unless these new HD-DVD players are the EXACT same price as a standard DVD player (~$60) then it really doesn't matter for HD-DVD. It is all but dead. $200 might as well be $5000 to the standard Walmart shopper.