Ok, the binaries are at http://padlocksl.viaarena.com/. They have downloads for Win NT/2k and RH Linux 9.0. Maybe some debs can be made from them.:-) Still can't get to the sources.:-(
Alright, thier little "virtual property" patent is bullshit.... Here's why....
Accroding to A Geocities History, Geocities was founded back in July of 1995. It was, and still is, essentially a "virtual property" area of the Internet, which I'm assuming is the bases of their claims. Even the Wayback machine has a cronicle of the community through its archives. Just a quick Google search brought this up.
Maybe our dear USPTO should also use Google to search for prior art? It's not quite as limited as their own database and search meathods.
There is a C=1 coming out sometime. It's going to have a complete C64 compatability with updated hardware plus it's own functionality. GEOS64 should run on it also. Something for that "ultra geek" in your life.... hehehehehe....
I seem to recall quite a few DOS apps that used to do this back in the day. Not to mention at least 1 BBS door. Who are they kidding?? This isn't a new idea, nor is it a very inovative.
My tagline can beat your tagline up....
Debit cards can be exceedingly dangerous, namely in that you are not offered the same protections against fraud that you are automatically provided by a credit card.
Suppose your card is stolen and someone makes dozens of little purchases so as not to raise suspicion, or gets a fake I.D. with your name on it so he can charge up a storm. If it's a credit card, once you report it stolen, you're not liable for any of the charges made on it. If it's a debit card, real, actual money has been sucked out of your bank account, never to be seen again. Good luck getting that back. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm suggesting it's far more difficult.
I work for one of the largest ATM processors/debit card issuers in the US. We deal with Pulse, Visa, Mastercard, Shazam, Star, and a multitude of other large credit institutions. I work 3rd shift in operations and also do tech support during my shift. We get alot of calls with lost or stolen cards by cardholders. It's my job to take the report and mark it in our system if it was lost or stolen. We also take down what time they last had their card so that that person is not responsible for any charges made after that time. So your assumption that debit cards aren't covered under the same rules and laws as regular cedit cards is at most false.
But here's the thing with Perl. Alot of times the code is unreadable after say... a week. Even commented code can be a mess. PHP *can be* unreadable and messy, but most of the time you can clean it up enough to still figure out how something works. PHP fills that niche of being easy to learn, simple to writea and good for beginner programmers. When I want to use a non-web interface, I choose Python for it's powerful, yet simple syntax, which is similar to PHP in many ways.
CB radio is what was once the 11meter HAM band. That's right, it used to require a license to operate on those frequencies too! When it was turned over to the public for non-licensed use, it was reduced to 4 watts of power output, restricted to about 2-4 miles of communications, and restricted to 23 frequencies (later upgraded to 40 frequencies). Of course, there are those individuals who sell 10meter equipment modified to work with CB radio, such as Linear amplifiers, antennas, etc...
HAM radio is much more restricted as to who can operate on what frequencies, requiring a license to control the radio. At the same time, there are numerous parts of the radio spectrum that a HAM can operate on. A huge plus for HAM band is that it's far less common to come across a lot of static and interference, where as CB is just full of it. This would be a key factor to clear and concise communications in emergency situations.
I'm waiting for the Athlon 64. To get near 2.8Ghz performance out of a 1.6Ghz chip is just amazing. The heat factors should greatly reduce too. Nice....:-)
Ya know, this stuff discribed really reminds me of the old BBS days. Almost every service in this "patent" could have been applied to almost any BBS package as far back as '86, maybe even farther. Isn't that prior art? Somone need to trump this guy before he makes it impossible for anyone to run services.
Well, obviously someone needs to know the difference between relative information and non-relative. Maybe if I'd made it humorous, perhaps it wouldn't have been modded down. thanks....
were allowed to discipline their children every once in a while without being subject to the child abuse mogals, then perhaps children would actually grow up to know what's right and wrong.
Aside from that, most children do know the difference between fiction and real life, sometimes more so than adults...... That's just my experience....
Looks like CVS has been around since 1998.... How can you patent the use of something that doesn't belong to you? How about we start calling our file systems folder systems? A little M$'ish, but it would negate about 90% of this patent. lol!
http://www.cvshome.org/cyclic/cvs/dev-halibut.html
Jay
Will it run M$? If so, the licensing alone would probably cost roughly 3 times the computers price, give or take a few million, not to mention upgrade and update contracts.:-p
Ya know, I seem to remember a few BBS doors that could do almost the exact same thing that eBay does back in the 80's and early 90's. Maybe they should pull those rabbits and see what the results are. Online auctions have been around a lot longer than eBay and longer than this patent.
>I believe that open source (or more specifically the GPL) is bad for business.
Ok, exactly how is the GPL to be blamed? Because someone can't take the work of 100's of people, turn around and sell it, keeping all the $$$ to themselves? Sounds very parasitic to me.
>Let's say a car manufacturer starts using open source software....
lol! This is the worst case senerio. You speak of price wars as if they are a bad thing. Here's what good I see coming out of your example. I see more people being able to buy good cars cheaper, thus sustaining the manufacturer and allowing them keep the workers happy and from striking giving them a raise.
Cheaper cars == more cars bought == more profits
I've not read anything about a negative impact on the auto industry. Would you like to provide links?
Jay
It may be legally binding if you actually signed an acceptance of the contract. Clicking a button, which is electronic, cannot be proved nor can it just be taken on the word of a convicted criminal like M$. In essence, a "legally binding contract" is something I have signed. This is similar to the lease on my appartment or the 50+ times I had to sign to buy my truck. Also, I shook no one's hand on it. So you tell me, did I click the "I Agree" or not? I would like to see someone prove I personally clicked it.:-p
How about a Linux version of Flash? That would be really cool! Linux has already proven itself in the 3D rendering market, now how about Flash too! Woohoo!
Jay
Actually, I only see that yEnc has taken off so fast by posters. It sucks for those of us who download on the daily bases with standards based clients that don't handle yEnc'd crap.
Standards are just that. They allow all platforms to work with each other. You break, or even bend, a standard in a short period of time doesn't allow it to be adopted by all platforms fast enough.
There are reasons for delayed standardization. One is to assure that it's truely needed and not just a bad version of what's already out there. Another is to assure everyone (programmers, users, etc.) get's a chance to have a say. Yet another would be to make sure the maturity of the product is where it needs to be. Need I go on?
I'm not opposed to a new standard, but it needs to be standard before I will adopt it. Since it is a very immature product, tested as such and still changing, it would be wise to wait for a year or so until it has worked out most of it's kinks and finished it basic "standard. Until then, it's going to be useless and will be like a big ugly zit on UseNET.
Later....
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Ok, the binaries are at http://padlocksl.viaarena.com/. They have downloads for Win NT/2k and RH Linux 9.0. Maybe some debs can be made from them. :-) Still can't get to the sources. :-(
Alright, thier little "virtual property" patent is bullshit.... Here's why....
Accroding to A Geocities History, Geocities was founded back in July of 1995. It was, and still is, essentially a "virtual property" area of the Internet, which I'm assuming is the bases of their claims. Even the Wayback machine has a cronicle of the community through its archives. Just a quick Google search brought this up.
Maybe our dear USPTO should also use Google to search for prior art? It's not quite as limited as their own database and search meathods.
There is a C=1 coming out sometime. It's going to have a complete C64 compatability with updated hardware plus it's own functionality. GEOS64 should run on it also. Something for that "ultra geek" in your life.... hehehehehe....
That would be McBride of course!
I seem to recall quite a few DOS apps that used to do this back in the day. Not to mention at least 1 BBS door. Who are they kidding?? This isn't a new idea, nor is it a very inovative. My tagline can beat your tagline up....
I guess I need to move to something else now.....
I work for one of the largest ATM processors/debit card issuers in the US. We deal with Pulse, Visa, Mastercard, Shazam, Star, and a multitude of other large credit institutions. I work 3rd shift in operations and also do tech support during my shift. We get alot of calls with lost or stolen cards by cardholders. It's my job to take the report and mark it in our system if it was lost or stolen. We also take down what time they last had their card so that that person is not responsible for any charges made after that time. So your assumption that debit cards aren't covered under the same rules and laws as regular cedit cards is at most false.
But here's the thing with Perl. Alot of times the code is unreadable after say... a week. Even commented code can be a mess. PHP *can be* unreadable and messy, but most of the time you can clean it up enough to still figure out how something works. PHP fills that niche of being easy to learn, simple to writea and good for beginner programmers. When I want to use a non-web interface, I choose Python for it's powerful, yet simple syntax, which is similar to PHP in many ways.
Does it run Quake III???
CB radio is what was once the 11meter HAM band. That's right, it used to require a license to operate on those frequencies too! When it was turned over to the public for non-licensed use, it was reduced to 4 watts of power output, restricted to about 2-4 miles of communications, and restricted to 23 frequencies (later upgraded to 40 frequencies). Of course, there are those individuals who sell 10meter equipment modified to work with CB radio, such as Linear amplifiers, antennas, etc...
HAM radio is much more restricted as to who can operate on what frequencies, requiring a license to control the radio. At the same time, there are numerous parts of the radio spectrum that a HAM can operate on. A huge plus for HAM band is that it's far less common to come across a lot of static and interference, where as CB is just full of it. This would be a key factor to clear and concise communications in emergency situations.
Jay
KG4CZO
I'm waiting for the Athlon 64. To get near 2.8Ghz performance out of a 1.6Ghz chip is just amazing. The heat factors should greatly reduce too. Nice.... :-)
Ya know, this stuff discribed really reminds me of the old BBS days. Almost every service in this "patent" could have been applied to almost any BBS package as far back as '86, maybe even farther. Isn't that prior art? Somone need to trump this guy before he makes it impossible for anyone to run services.
Well, obviously someone needs to know the difference between relative information and non-relative. Maybe if I'd made it humorous, perhaps it wouldn't have been modded down. thanks....
were allowed to discipline their children every once in a while without being subject to the child abuse mogals, then perhaps children would actually grow up to know what's right and wrong.
Aside from that, most children do know the difference between fiction and real life, sometimes more so than adults...... That's just my experience....
US Postal Service..... Where's mine?
Also.... Anyone know when Sourceforge was started? This would take care of the web side of things if it was before the patent was filed.
Jay
Looks like CVS has been around since 1998.... How can you patent the use of something that doesn't belong to you? How about we start calling our file systems folder systems? A little M$'ish, but it would negate about 90% of this patent. lol! http://www.cvshome.org/cyclic/cvs/dev-halibut.html
Jay
Will it run M$? If so, the licensing alone would probably cost roughly 3 times the computers price, give or take a few million, not to mention upgrade and update contracts. :-p
Ya know, I seem to remember a few BBS doors that could do almost the exact same thing that eBay does back in the 80's and early 90's. Maybe they should pull those rabbits and see what the results are. Online auctions have been around a lot longer than eBay and longer than this patent.
>I believe that open source (or more specifically the GPL) is bad for business. Ok, exactly how is the GPL to be blamed? Because someone can't take the work of 100's of people, turn around and sell it, keeping all the $$$ to themselves? Sounds very parasitic to me. >Let's say a car manufacturer starts using open source software.... lol! This is the worst case senerio. You speak of price wars as if they are a bad thing. Here's what good I see coming out of your example. I see more people being able to buy good cars cheaper, thus sustaining the manufacturer and allowing them keep the workers happy and from striking giving them a raise. Cheaper cars == more cars bought == more profits I've not read anything about a negative impact on the auto industry. Would you like to provide links? Jay
It may be legally binding if you actually signed an acceptance of the contract. Clicking a button, which is electronic, cannot be proved nor can it just be taken on the word of a convicted criminal like M$. In essence, a "legally binding contract" is something I have signed. This is similar to the lease on my appartment or the 50+ times I had to sign to buy my truck. Also, I shook no one's hand on it. So you tell me, did I click the "I Agree" or not? I would like to see someone prove I personally clicked it. :-p
How about a Linux version of Flash? That would be really cool! Linux has already proven itself in the 3D rendering market, now how about Flash too! Woohoo! Jay
Actually, I only see that yEnc has taken off so fast by posters. It sucks for those of us who download on the daily bases with standards based clients that don't handle yEnc'd crap. Standards are just that. They allow all platforms to work with each other. You break, or even bend, a standard in a short period of time doesn't allow it to be adopted by all platforms fast enough. There are reasons for delayed standardization. One is to assure that it's truely needed and not just a bad version of what's already out there. Another is to assure everyone (programmers, users, etc.) get's a chance to have a say. Yet another would be to make sure the maturity of the product is where it needs to be. Need I go on? I'm not opposed to a new standard, but it needs to be standard before I will adopt it. Since it is a very immature product, tested as such and still changing, it would be wise to wait for a year or so until it has worked out most of it's kinks and finished it basic "standard. Until then, it's going to be useless and will be like a big ugly zit on UseNET. Later....
No, but IBM's distro of Linux is supported.
Yes, I agree. Maybe someone should tell M$ that?