the Radeon 8500 certainly DOES support QE - as does his 466 G4 (which I think is an AGP 4x supporting model). My older 450dp with Radeon (AGP 2x only 32MB DDR) was the FIRST available Mac BTO hardware that supported QE - and it makes a HELL of a difference to window performance.
If you use the Mac beta client (final release candidate, actually) you get a proper, Altivec optimised cruncher. Just as fast at RC5-72 as it was at 64.
a large part of the technology that goes into current 'cards is related to image quality (hence different aniso, aa and colour handling techniques). so one could not likely have a situation where the output of two cards using different techniques could possibly match so precisely.
it's BECAUSE of idiots like you who actually think it matters if card x gives 229fps on Quake III where card y can only manage 227fps that these companies are forced to pull this kind of trick. Companies like AMD, nVidia and ATi are trying to do business in a world where people actually place importance in the blatherings of the self-important know-nothings that run sites like Hard OCP and Toms Hardware.
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"AMD is delivering fast SIMD today, not next year"
What ARE you blathering about? Pentium 4 has SSE2, PowerPC has Altivec - here's a clue for you, when people code for x86 SIMD, they choose MMX, SSE and SSE2, they don't choose 3D Now!, when people code for SIMD under PowerPc ISA, they choose Altivec. Both SSE2 and Altivec are available to day, both are used in "commodity" CPU families. I think you'll find that it's "x87" FPu strength that typically marks out AMD's current CPUs, not their patchy implementation of SSE2.
well, I supose that Apple will use two of these chips in their workstations at a time, and coupled with the extensive Altivec optimisation programme that Apple has been conducting, and their ever expanding list of grade 1 in-house applications (Final Cut Pro, DVD Studio Pro, Logic, Shake, iTunes, QuickTime) that really can benefit from those optimisations, the near future looks very encouraging for media creation on the Mac platform. The 64 bit addressing made available by the 970 may yet have profound implications for Apple's viability as a server/high end workstation provider - they could certainly finish off SGI's desktop business.
well, G5 was written on a roadmap I once saw describing the Motorola MPC 85xx series - but seeing as how that series has been on sale for about a year now with no sign of a CPU variant suitable for Apple to use, I guess we can forget about the MPC 85xx being used in PowerMacs. Personally, I'd like Apple to adopt the moniker "G64" for their PPC 970 powered machines - that'd stick it to Intel alright, and the idiotic warez kids would stop comparing clock speed and start comparing word length instead of getting on with their lives.
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"Currently AMD has the fastest commodity SIMD implementation"
You've not been looking at the distributed.net results, have you? The Altivec/VMX technology currently used by Moto and soon to be used by IBM is LEAGUES ahead.
"I wish I could reply to all three asshats who think that running Photoshop means REAL computing- but I'll just choose one."
You make you ass wear a hat? Why?
"Sorry boys, but Photoshop runs faster on a Windows machine than a Mac. (Ask Adobe, not me- windows is their 'preferred platform') So you obviously assumed that the only thing we did on Windows was play games. Nope, we just got done with our work faster, and we have extra time- while the Mac is still re-drawing the screen."
Adobe does not have a preferred platform, we've been over this already.
"The Windows box can run Photoshop (and does), and run it better. PLUS it can can run about 99% of the rest of the consumer software out there."
Well why are you surfing Yahoo! on it then?
"Oh yes...Apple has iTunes, can't forget that. When people at work on Mac's complain that they can't take part in NetMeeting presentations, I usually tell them to go play with iTunes, because that is their idea of productivity."
Shit, I'd bet that 99% of people would rather play with iTunes that get involved with NetMeeting.
"That is what makes it so cool. YOu don't have to have one kind of terminal, you don't have to have one kind of OS, you don't have to have one kind of physical wiring. So long as your unit speakes IP, it is good to go."
Well, microsoft hasn't managed to embrace and extend the internet yet, but they're still trying. Just give 'em a bit more time and a TON more of your money and we can usher in the glorious MS-Minitel era!
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the Radeon 8500 certainly DOES support QE - as does his 466 G4 (which I think is an AGP 4x supporting model). My older 450dp with Radeon (AGP 2x only 32MB DDR) was the FIRST available Mac BTO hardware that supported QE - and it makes a HELL of a difference to window performance.
If you use the Mac beta client (final release candidate, actually) you get a proper, Altivec optimised cruncher. Just as fast at RC5-72 as it was at 64.
U
NO
ZERO
Neither an SPV or a T68i even approaches the functionality or elegance of my Tungsten T & Nokia 8910 combo.
Believe me, I've tried 'em all.
do you want me to go and unplug my firewall so that you've a sporting chance?
I like "gn00z" though, I have to admit.
DONUT mock you?
you're gonna root my box and snaffle all my porn?
go on then (!!!!!!!!!!, obviously)
yeah, what a party that was!
We won't see times as good as those coming back too soon!
Rock & Roll!
+1, Quite Funny
Good, but you missed the parents title, which I assume was SUPPOSED to have read "Giving themselves a bad name"
hmmm
a large part of the technology that goes into current 'cards is related to image quality (hence different aniso, aa and colour handling techniques). so one could not likely have a situation where the output of two cards using different techniques could possibly match so precisely.
you dick
it's BECAUSE of idiots like you who actually think it matters if card x gives 229fps on Quake III where card y can only manage 227fps that these companies are forced to pull this kind of trick. Companies like AMD, nVidia and ATi are trying to do business in a world where people actually place importance in the blatherings of the self-important know-nothings that run sites like Hard OCP and Toms Hardware.
"AMD is delivering fast SIMD today, not next year"
What ARE you blathering about? Pentium 4 has SSE2, PowerPC has Altivec - here's a clue for you, when people code for x86 SIMD, they choose MMX, SSE and SSE2, they don't choose 3D Now!, when people code for SIMD under PowerPc ISA, they choose Altivec. Both SSE2 and Altivec are available to day, both are used in "commodity" CPU families. I think you'll find that it's "x87" FPu strength that typically marks out AMD's current CPUs, not their patchy implementation of SSE2.
keep what real?
fucking wannabe
the WHACK-OFF ski brothers PULLED IT OFF well, you say?
Who'dve thunk it?
well, I supose that Apple will use two of these chips in their workstations at a time, and coupled with the extensive Altivec optimisation programme that Apple has been conducting, and their ever expanding list of grade 1 in-house applications (Final Cut Pro, DVD Studio Pro, Logic, Shake, iTunes, QuickTime) that really can benefit from those optimisations, the near future looks very encouraging for media creation on the Mac platform. The 64 bit addressing made available by the 970 may yet have profound implications for Apple's viability as a server/high end workstation provider - they could certainly finish off SGI's desktop business.
well, G5 was written on a roadmap I once saw describing the Motorola MPC 85xx series - but seeing as how that series has been on sale for about a year now with no sign of a CPU variant suitable for Apple to use, I guess we can forget about the MPC 85xx being used in PowerMacs. Personally, I'd like Apple to adopt the moniker "G64" for their PPC 970 powered machines - that'd stick it to Intel alright, and the idiotic warez kids would stop comparing clock speed and start comparing word length instead of getting on with their lives.
"Currently AMD has the fastest commodity SIMD implementation"
You've not been looking at the distributed.net results, have you? The Altivec/VMX technology currently used by Moto and soon to be used by IBM is LEAGUES ahead.
Apple have made a bunch of 'em. They have a website where you can go and gawk if you like - www.apple.com.
"I wish I could reply to all three asshats who think that running Photoshop means REAL computing- but I'll just choose one."
You make you ass wear a hat? Why?
"Sorry boys, but Photoshop runs faster on a Windows machine than a Mac. (Ask Adobe, not me- windows is their 'preferred platform') So you obviously assumed that the only thing we did on Windows was play games. Nope, we just got done with our work faster, and we have extra time- while the Mac is still re-drawing the screen."
Adobe does not have a preferred platform, we've been over this already.
"The Windows box can run Photoshop (and does), and run it better. PLUS it can can run about 99% of the rest of the consumer software out there."
Well why are you surfing Yahoo! on it then?
"Oh yes...Apple has iTunes, can't forget that. When people at work on Mac's complain that they can't take part in NetMeeting presentations, I usually tell them to go play with iTunes, because that is their idea of productivity."
Shit, I'd bet that 99% of people would rather play with iTunes that get involved with NetMeeting.
Why do you assume they'd let you in?
The EU has standards, you know.
"That is what makes it so cool. YOu don't have to have one kind of terminal, you don't have to have one kind of OS, you don't have to have one kind of physical wiring. So long as your unit speakes IP, it is good to go."
Well, microsoft hasn't managed to embrace and extend the internet yet, but they're still trying. Just give 'em a bit more time and a TON more of your money and we can usher in the glorious MS-Minitel era!
yeah, who'd rather be creating images using Photoshop than playing fucking games or surfing Yahoo! ?
er... me, for one
Compete at downloading from warez sites and looking at free porn, of course - the absolute acme of HPC!
Oh, and IM too.
that's Prime Minister you fucking retard
In the name of the father, son and holy goat.
Amen.