"Then the coporations wouldn't fund any research at the universiies. Instead they'd rely on their own R&D facillities."
I don't know. That seems to be a somewhat blanket statement. OSDL is a GPL-oriented program funded by plenty of companies. I'd say there are plenty of companies doing research and development with GPL'd code.
Research universities get most of their funding from you and me in the form of taxes. In fact, it was our taxes that was partially responsible for the rewrite of that AT&T code into BSD code.
You must use GPL, you are NOT FREE to release your code any other way.
Please show me where it says that in the GPL? Of course it doesn't. What you are implying is that the GPL community is biased towards the GPL. That's by definition.
Anything non-GPL is "non free" and therefore evil!"
Actually, anything non-GPL is not Free Software. Whether it's evil or not depends on the author.
Despite the fact that objectively BSD is more Free than Linux-- the GPL imposes an economic cost and restrictions on use that BSD does not.
The BSD license doesn't the take the community into consideration, and so the community ignores it or derides it. That's the community's right.
The GPL is there to protect the community. It's a simple matter of perspective and ego. BSD is certainly more altruistic, but easily abused by the greedy and selfish. While the GPL is considerate of the rights of the contributor. It simply says that if you benefit from my work that I share with you, you must reciprocate if you pass the modified work around. Again, the original author (and the community) benefits from the work of those who benefit off the original labor of others. This is what a community is all about.
Think of it as an anti-theft device that allows you all the usage of the product to the product's full capabilities. You can even modify the product to your heart's content. But, if you give to others, please give your modified code too since you didn't do this by yourself. Your code stands on the shoulders of others. Be nice and follow the Golden Rule so that we all benefit. There's nothing insidiuos about civilized behavior.
The BSD license is weak and flacid. The GPL is strong and virile...GRrrr! Or, is that viral? Either way it's the very reason for Linux's success, and keeps Balmer/Gates up at nights in a cold sweat.
BSD's own license is its worst enemy, not Linux. It claims to be more liberal, yet encourages theft by others. Those who develop and license with the GPL have the community's interest at heart. On top of it all, Microsoft prefers the BSD license; I wonder why? That alone is a reason to stay away from the wretched thing.
If Berkeley had licensed their version of Unix under something similar to the GPL, the Unix Wars never would've happened and Microsoft wouldn't have become the monstrous monopoly it is today. In fact, Linux would just be another hobby OS and not the juggernaught it's growing up to be.
So, why waste time reading questionable and logically faulty arguments from a competitor's clearly biased and conflicted opinion piece? That's what's called a commercial. A boring one at that. I'm simply peeved that my time was wasted reading the drivel. This is definitely a case where I could've simply skipped the article and read the comments on slashdot first. I would've at least have run across the warning of the author's conflict of interest and moved on to something relevant.
If anyone gets the parent as a meta-moderated post, please rate the moderation as unfair. The poster is on subject regarding the article, and has corrected a misconception appropriately.
The problem is a lack of highly educated workers willing to work for the minimum wage or lower in the U.S. Costs are driving outsourcing, not the quality of American schools.
Carly Fiorina has a 7 figure salary, and you'd think she'd satisfied with it. No, apparently she'd also like to cripple the country's technological future. What is she, the Devil?
I would say that costs may be driving outsourcing, but it's our Republican overlords who are greedily allowing to happen. Typical shortsightedness. Short term profits over long term deterioration of our technical capabilities. I'm sure there are plenty of Democrats to blame as well. However, they're in the backseat, as it's a Republican show in the three branches. Sickening.
I doubt bin Laden could've come up with a better plan in crippling this country. In fact, if he had managed to do something similar, we would have cried terrorsim and gone to war. Now that we know it's our own politicians doing it to us, what do we call it, treason? It's sickening.
I doubt M$ could come up with anything that could compete with IBM's TV Ad for Linux. It so completely captured the idea behind Free Software and simultaneously blows away any possible argument for closed-source systems. It achieves this quite simply with an eerie simile on how Open Source works.
The greatest threat to U.S. programmers isn't foreign programmers. The biggest threat comes from U.S. corporate management. Essentially, it's U.S. citizen of one skillset pitted against U.S. citizen of another skillset. All in order to appease the appetite for returns demanded by stockholders who are made up of...programmers and management and clerks and cashiers and secretaries and truck drivers and let's not forget the independently wealthy (filthy rich)...etc.
But, at the front lines, it comes down to the decision makers (management) and the doers (programmers). Management concern over programming labor costs, salaries and rates that dared to nearly approach their own at the height of the bubble, has given many of them cause to support terrible Visa-abuse (H1B, L-something or other...etc), and now massive offshoring of our future's brainshare, skills, and technical experience for short-term gains and long-term losses.
The result is clear if the course continues. When manufacturing jobs left the U.S., never to return, white-collar workers didn't speak up. Economists, in corporate pockets, wrote articles about how this was natural progression towards some bizarre form of economic evolution. Those people would go into the service sector. We would go from the world's premier nation of manufactures, creating the goods that the world would buy, to the premier nation of service providers, offering services that the world couldn't live without. Now that elected and purchased officials are allowing the mass migration of service jobs out of the U.S., what are the laborers, the largest consumers, in the U.S. to do for a living? Consume? Currently, U.S. and foreign corporations want nothing more than to bang down our doors to sell us the best goods they can manufacture. This is because of the fact that we have the incomes to spend money on their wares. What do you think will happen when that income drops to nothing as we end up in low-paying jobs servicing each other because all the high-paying service jobs have long fled, never to return?
There are inherent dangers in outsourcing which will bite first-timers in the ass. This is a natural deterrent, but not an permanent obstacle. Outside of putting in donations to purchase key politicians, there are only two and half things I can think of that can help slow down, and maybe even turn the tide against this bleeding of our technical edge.
One suggestion is obvious. Unionize. Read this and join here. The collective who holds the plug to the data-center in its hand has some bargaining power. The individual who doesn't, is ignored.
If you like the fact that you have two day weekends, you can thank Unions for it. If you like the fact that you no longer are required to work 16-19 hour days, you can thank Unions for it. Support all Unions during their weakest point in history and stop crossing the line. The person with the sign is your neighbor and helps make your community strong. The manager and scabs flown in from out of state are not your neighbors, and will fly out to the next place their corporate masters tell them to. They weaken your community.
A second suggestion requires the understanding that management needs programmers. This is why they're going to India. If they had the skills to actually get something done, they'd do it themselves. Programmers don't need managers. They can get all the management services they can stand from contracting companies (i.e. headhunters). In addition, Indian management services exist to provide low cost management services as well. However, the basic idea is that all programmers have to do is partner together (for those with irrational fears of Unions), and undercut cost of providing services by removing the prohibitive costs of having to support useless management and executive jets. Programmers don't need managers. They need administrators to get the
"We don't actually talk swedish in Norway. Let me guess, you're American ?"
Amusingly honest, yet boorish statement. You must be Norwegian. American's have become sensitive, and may take this the wrong way, as our experiment in proving that any politician can be replaced by a chimp is back-firing on us in world opinion. Allow me to rephrase that for you in a less offensive, and somewhat self-effacing manner.
"We don't actually speak Swedish in Norway. An honest mistake. To an non-Scandinavian, our two countries are about as different as North Dakota is from South Dakota."
I don't know about that. These type of products still seem to be in demand.
With Sun Open Sourcing the things that make this type of product easy to use, couldn't anyone just build one out of a cheap or old Debian/Gentoo-based PC?
you mean you are an ABCD hating his parents and India?
It's impossible to criticize consistant behavior when you see it? You're clearly in denial. Perhaps, you only need further documentation.
As it's unlikely that a non-Indian would know the derogative term "ABCD" your refering to, you're clearly an Indian. And, by your own assumptions, you've proven yourself arrogant. Also, apparenly ashamed of being an Indian, you've decided to hide anonomously, proving yourself a coward.
Only you can detect arrogance in a polite Indian doing his job, follwoing the script given by the white/american managers. (you will get it better if I say your white masters?) And to think you have nto seen arrogance in american support. oh yeah, those idiots start the conversation with 'Yo'!! But that's master-speak for you I guess.
Aside from lying to customers with zest, there are worse things being brought up here. I didn't intend to broach the subject, but your racism is also indicative of Indian males who haven't outgrown certain ancient cultural baggage. I'm proud of my Indian heritage for the things worth being proud of. However, I cannot defend things that are to be ashamed of. While racism is practiced in other societies, the Indian culture is one of the most racist I've seen. The indoctrinated racism and male chauvinism is embarrassing, and needs to be dealt with. If not by Indians in India, then by Indians in America. It's our job to point it out and display it for ridicule; much as I'm highlighting your racist comments.
Having just recently gotten off the phone with a very entertaining liar, this post was quite topical for me. Indian Dell tech-support (basically tier-1 and tier-2) must've gotten the impression that the majority of American Dell owners are such dunder-heads, that the tech can pull something out of their ass with impunity if the tech is too lazy to actually figure out the problem.
I've built PCs for 13 years, but recently purchased a very low-cost small factor Dell for my wife that I couldn't beat on price for the individual parts. After the hard drive failed, I made a call to India. I hadn't realized I was going to get into a comedic adventure of wits with a crafty, if technically ignorant, support person. I'd already figured out the problem, and had simply called to order the drive under warranty. However, the "tech" had his mandatory script to follow. Even though each test that he ran came up with results he didn't understand (it required believing that the drive controller had failed, which he refused to do), he would make something up on the spot to explain away the results! I actually began enjoying the stories, but eventually had to cut things short as dinner was ready. I side-stepped his scripts, and ran the correct steps that gave the right error code which told him all he needed to know, getting the ball rolling on the replacement drive.
I wouldn't say the person was rude in any way. He was quite polite. But, the arrogance of lying full in my face was quite an eye opener. I can only imagine the many Dell owners who aren't technically inclined, but are getting quite an education as to the inner workings of their systems when they call India. Too bad the education may be based on complete fantasy, depending on the whimsical nature of the tech.
As an aside, when I call India for Citibank credit card or banking matters, I notice that the equally polite Indian women in the call centers (I haven't heard from an American call-person in quite a while now) are much less arrogant than the men. Being of Indian descent myself, I know this to be a cultural thing.
The U.S. gave $151 million to India+Pakistan two years ago. Most of it going to India. Who knows how many countless millions (billions?) of monetary aid have been diverted for military schemes? Seems like it was the U.S. who paid at least a portion of the cost for the Indian half of the Russian-Indian missiles.
I'm all for India being technically independent enough to build their own weapons of mass destruction. Now that they are claiming that they are, can we stop the bullshite and keep the aid at home that the US has been sending India for the past 50 years? We have plenty of unemployed technical U.S. tax payers who can actually use it. After all, U.S. citizens don't even enjoy the free medical care that Indians apparently do.
Coincidentally, this event is happening during the same time of year as Saturnalia. If you're unfamiliar with the term, some people refer to the holiday as Christmas.
No? No what? You appear to have repeated what I stated, but that's ok. For further information regarding the Soviet-bound East Germany, visit here and here.
For further information about captured German scientists working to build Soviet rocket technology, read this.
How can "Linux Gazette" be a trademarke owned by anyone else other than Linus Torvalds? As far as I know, he's the only one who can use the Linux name in a trademark. If trademarks don't work that way, then perhaps anyone can make a "Microsoft Gazette", although I don't think they'd last long in court and the bankruptcy M$ would put them through.
A significant number of German scientists were captured by the now defunct Soviets. They were immediately put to work to fight the cold war.
You may even remember that half of Germany belonged to the Soviets until the 90's. There was a little something called the Berlin wall that separated communist Germany from democratic Germany.
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I don't know. That seems to be a somewhat blanket statement. OSDL is a GPL-oriented program funded by plenty of companies. I'd say there are plenty of companies doing research and development with GPL'd code.
Research universities get most of their funding from you and me in the form of taxes. In fact, it was our taxes that was partially responsible for the rewrite of that AT&T code into BSD code.
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Please show me where it says that in the GPL? Of course it doesn't. What you are implying is that the GPL community is biased towards the GPL. That's by definition.
Anything non-GPL is "non free" and therefore evil!"
Actually, anything non-GPL is not Free Software. Whether it's evil or not depends on the author.
Despite the fact that objectively BSD is more Free than Linux-- the GPL imposes an economic cost and restrictions on use that BSD does not.
The BSD license doesn't the take the community into consideration, and so the community ignores it or derides it. That's the community's right.
The GPL is there to protect the community. It's a simple matter of perspective and ego. BSD is certainly more altruistic, but easily abused by the greedy and selfish. While the GPL is considerate of the rights of the contributor. It simply says that if you benefit from my work that I share with you, you must reciprocate if you pass the modified work around. Again, the original author (and the community) benefits from the work of those who benefit off the original labor of others. This is what a community is all about.
Think of it as an anti-theft device that allows you all the usage of the product to the product's full capabilities. You can even modify the product to your heart's content. But, if you give to others, please give your modified code too since you didn't do this by yourself. Your code stands on the shoulders of others. Be nice and follow the Golden Rule so that we all benefit. There's nothing insidiuos about civilized behavior.
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BSD's own license is its worst enemy, not Linux. It claims to be more liberal, yet encourages theft by others. Those who develop and license with the GPL have the community's interest at heart. On top of it all, Microsoft prefers the BSD license; I wonder why? That alone is a reason to stay away from the wretched thing.
If Berkeley had licensed their version of Unix under something similar to the GPL, the Unix Wars never would've happened and Microsoft wouldn't have become the monstrous monopoly it is today. In fact, Linux would just be another hobby OS and not the juggernaught it's growing up to be.
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If anyone gets the parent as a meta-moderated post, please rate the moderation as unfair. The poster is on subject regarding the article, and has corrected a misconception appropriately.
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I've only heard of Speak Freely in passing before. But, I had no idea it was written and maintained by one of Autodesk's and Autocad's founders.
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Carly Fiorina has a 7 figure salary, and you'd think she'd satisfied with it. No, apparently she'd also like to cripple the country's technological future. What is she, the Devil?
I would say that costs may be driving outsourcing, but it's our Republican overlords who are greedily allowing to happen. Typical shortsightedness. Short term profits over long term deterioration of our technical capabilities. I'm sure there are plenty of Democrats to blame as well. However, they're in the backseat, as it's a Republican show in the three branches. Sickening.
I doubt bin Laden could've come up with a better plan in crippling this country. In fact, if he had managed to do something similar, we would have cried terrorsim and gone to war. Now that we know it's our own politicians doing it to us, what do we call it, treason? It's sickening.
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1) Microsoft's "Shared Source" is not free. Free Software is. If you're not familiar with Free Software, please go here and learn.
2) Please point out where you are being charged for Free Software, and I'll point you where you can legally download it for Free.
3) It's spelled "semantical". And no, it isn't semantical.
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But, at the front lines, it comes down to the decision makers (management) and the doers (programmers). Management concern over programming labor costs, salaries and rates that dared to nearly approach their own at the height of the bubble, has given many of them cause to support terrible Visa-abuse (H1B, L-something or other...etc), and now massive offshoring of our future's brainshare, skills, and technical experience for short-term gains and long-term losses.
The result is clear if the course continues. When manufacturing jobs left the U.S., never to return, white-collar workers didn't speak up. Economists, in corporate pockets, wrote articles about how this was natural progression towards some bizarre form of economic evolution. Those people would go into the service sector. We would go from the world's premier nation of manufactures, creating the goods that the world would buy, to the premier nation of service providers, offering services that the world couldn't live without. Now that elected and purchased officials are allowing the mass migration of service jobs out of the U.S., what are the laborers, the largest consumers, in the U.S. to do for a living? Consume? Currently, U.S. and foreign corporations want nothing more than to bang down our doors to sell us the best goods they can manufacture. This is because of the fact that we have the incomes to spend money on their wares. What do you think will happen when that income drops to nothing as we end up in low-paying jobs servicing each other because all the high-paying service jobs have long fled, never to return?
There are inherent dangers in outsourcing which will bite first-timers in the ass. This is a natural deterrent, but not an permanent obstacle. Outside of putting in donations to purchase key politicians, there are only two and half things I can think of that can help slow down, and maybe even turn the tide against this bleeding of our technical edge.
One suggestion is obvious. Unionize. Read this and join here. The collective who holds the plug to the data-center in its hand has some bargaining power. The individual who doesn't, is ignored.
If you like the fact that you have two day weekends, you can thank Unions for it. If you like the fact that you no longer are required to work 16-19 hour days, you can thank Unions for it. Support all Unions during their weakest point in history and stop crossing the line. The person with the sign is your neighbor and helps make your community strong. The manager and scabs flown in from out of state are not your neighbors, and will fly out to the next place their corporate masters tell them to. They weaken your community.
A second suggestion requires the understanding that management needs programmers. This is why they're going to India. If they had the skills to actually get something done, they'd do it themselves. Programmers don't need managers. They can get all the management services they can stand from contracting companies (i.e. headhunters). In addition, Indian management services exist to provide low cost management services as well. However, the basic idea is that all programmers have to do is partner together (for those with irrational fears of Unions), and undercut cost of providing services by removing the prohibitive costs of having to support useless management and executive jets. Programmers don't need managers. They need administrators to get the
Amusingly honest, yet boorish statement. You must be Norwegian. American's have become sensitive, and may take this the wrong way, as our experiment in proving that any politician can be replaced by a chimp is back-firing on us in world opinion. Allow me to rephrase that for you in a less offensive, and somewhat self-effacing manner.
"We don't actually speak Swedish in Norway. An honest mistake. To an non-Scandinavian, our two countries are about as different as North Dakota is from South Dakota."
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With Sun Open Sourcing the things that make this type of product easy to use, couldn't anyone just build one out of a cheap or old Debian/Gentoo-based PC?
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It's impossible to criticize consistant behavior when you see it? You're clearly in denial. Perhaps, you only need further documentation.
As it's unlikely that a non-Indian would know the derogative term "ABCD" your refering to, you're clearly an Indian. And, by your own assumptions, you've proven yourself arrogant. Also, apparenly ashamed of being an Indian, you've decided to hide anonomously, proving yourself a coward.
Only you can detect arrogance in a polite Indian doing his job, follwoing the script given by the white/american managers. (you will get it better if I say your white masters?) And to think you have nto seen arrogance in american support. oh yeah, those idiots start the conversation with 'Yo'!! But that's master-speak for you I guess.
Aside from lying to customers with zest, there are worse things being brought up here. I didn't intend to broach the subject, but your racism is also indicative of Indian males who haven't outgrown certain ancient cultural baggage. I'm proud of my Indian heritage for the things worth being proud of. However, I cannot defend things that are to be ashamed of. While racism is practiced in other societies, the Indian culture is one of the most racist I've seen. The indoctrinated racism and male chauvinism is embarrassing, and needs to be dealt with. If not by Indians in India, then by Indians in America. It's our job to point it out and display it for ridicule; much as I'm highlighting your racist comments.
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Aid by any other name pays the same bills.
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I've built PCs for 13 years, but recently purchased a very low-cost small factor Dell for my wife that I couldn't beat on price for the individual parts. After the hard drive failed, I made a call to India. I hadn't realized I was going to get into a comedic adventure of wits with a crafty, if technically ignorant, support person. I'd already figured out the problem, and had simply called to order the drive under warranty. However, the "tech" had his mandatory script to follow. Even though each test that he ran came up with results he didn't understand (it required believing that the drive controller had failed, which he refused to do), he would make something up on the spot to explain away the results! I actually began enjoying the stories, but eventually had to cut things short as dinner was ready. I side-stepped his scripts, and ran the correct steps that gave the right error code which told him all he needed to know, getting the ball rolling on the replacement drive.
I wouldn't say the person was rude in any way. He was quite polite. But, the arrogance of lying full in my face was quite an eye opener. I can only imagine the many Dell owners who aren't technically inclined, but are getting quite an education as to the inner workings of their systems when they call India. Too bad the education may be based on complete fantasy, depending on the whimsical nature of the tech.
As an aside, when I call India for Citibank credit card or banking matters, I notice that the equally polite Indian women in the call centers (I haven't heard from an American call-person in quite a while now) are much less arrogant than the men. Being of Indian descent myself, I know this to be a cultural thing.
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I'm all for India being technically independent enough to build their own weapons of mass destruction. Now that they are claiming that they are, can we stop the bullshite and keep the aid at home that the US has been sending India for the past 50 years? We have plenty of unemployed technical U.S. tax payers who can actually use it. After all, U.S. citizens don't even enjoy the free medical care that Indians apparently do.
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Recent Dell systems come with MusicMatch pre-installed. I would consider that spyware, and others would agree.
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No? No what? You appear to have repeated what I stated, but that's ok. For further information regarding the Soviet-bound East Germany, visit here and here.
For further information about captured German scientists working to build Soviet rocket technology, read this.
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You may even remember that half of Germany belonged to the Soviets until the 90's. There was a little something called the Berlin wall that separated communist Germany from democratic Germany.
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