Also go to the free MSFT seminars and TechNet Talks. They are always giving out demo/trial crap. Also be interested and ask questions. Then talk to them during the breaks. They may be able to hook you up with other trial software.
The MSFT Speeck SDK Beta 3 came with a 60 Day VisualStudio.NET 2003 DVD.
And and I've got several copies of Windows 2003 180/360 Day Trial CD as well from these marketing events.
But since you are fresh and young and just out of high school do yourself a favor.
ENJOY YOURFUCKING LIFE!!
See once you start making money you'll want to buy nicer things (Cars, Clothes,Nice Apartment). Then you'll want to go on vacation, buy more crap. Sign up at the gym. Buy magazine subscriptions. Better WebSite hosting with ASP.NET MSSQL support.
And the next thing you know you are living well but your broke!!
I am totaly confused!
If I go BUY a DVD from X and bring it home to watch it, 8 hours later it becomes useless.
But I bought and paid for it shouldn't I be able to watch it every-day for the rest of my life?
WTF!
Instead they should just lower the price of DVD's.
And besides at my local video shop you can buy 3 pre-owned DVD's for $20.
$20 is cheap in comparison to:
-renting a DVD($3.95)
-blank DVD-R ($2)
-good copy software ($0-$50)
-my time (priceless)
My Linux box: Old Fujitsu Laptop PII 300/96ram.
My GameBox:Win2K/PIII733/512ram/GeForce2.
I was once a Mac admin (stop laughing) and I didn't do much either. But when it came time to replace the old Mac's with the G3's is when we switched to PC's. Then it was 1 G3 = 2 Dell's now 1 G4 = 3 or 4 Wal-Mart Specials.
It's nearly true!! I have been forced to learn and write.NET apps and ASP.NET is kick ass.
But just saying that makes me feel dirty and I want to kill myself for even thinking that.
I hate.NET because it is inovative and I can build some serious shit in a short time. In fact a trained monkey could write.NET and that my frieds is why it sucks!!
Every day that I come into work and have to use.NET to do my job makes me feel dirty and meaningless. My job is now CLICK DRAG DROP.
But I have seen the light I have installed RedHat7.3 on my personal laptop. (I haven't used RedHat since 6.2). I've got Apache/PHP/PERL/MySql running and a new sense of purpose. I've dusted off my PHP4 book and I am going to spend every moment that I am not at work learing real skills.
And when I am happy with that I am buying this book "Web Development with Apache and Perl" and I am gonna pick up PERL where I left off 4 years ago!!
I figure by the time Im done with that MONO my be ready to be useful.
You're god damned right, sarge!!!! This is why I hate my #$@$ job!!! I know I should be happy to have a job but my company bought the lubricant, dropped their pants, bent over the table and then let out a huge grin when..!
I have seen the light! Now, I will spend days at work as a spy for the underdogs and when the day comes I will use everything I have learned against.NET!
I see your point but that's Joe Smith the factory worker you're talking about and that was 10 or 20 years ago.
You should update it with Joe Smith logs into Windows (MADE IN USA by $forigen_workers) and opens up his email (MADE IN USA by $forigen_workers) etc. and see how it looks.
The funny thing is I am a foreign worker. I am an American living/working in the UK! In fact just to piss the Brits off more American should come here!
I do see you point because my much older siblings, who lack proper educations, all lost their jobs at some point to foreign factory workers who would work for less and/or to companies outside the US.
I can only assume from your total understanding of the piss-poor ROI in the UK that you are either a) an American, b)You have lived in the States, c)youe ar one of the few Brits that gets pissed off at being forced to pay for bad service.
"They couldnt organise a pissup in a brewery." hhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha
It's so true!!! If anything EVER happens to me while I am living here, I'll be on the first flight back to Boston.
As for the UK on OSS, it'll never happen. The NHS's plan is to have all desktops upgraded to Win2K by the end of 2004! Currently we are developing for Win95/98 because that's what the PCT's and GP are running!! Win95!!
They (The perfect well functioning NSH) have been in talks with M$ since fall 2000. Then in the fall of 2001 they announced "Light Bulb" a project started by M$ to convert the whole of the NHS (PCT's, GP etc) to.NET and Web Services. My company was a small player in the deal and they (the people who pay me) commited everything to.NET back in Nov 2001. But the NHS decided to hold off funding any new projects until 2003 inckuding Light Bulb. Actually they had sticker shock from the ammount of the business proposal they got from M$. Now M$ has pulled out, we have no big companies to leeach off of and we are too far commited to.NET.
So, the UK gov is just fucking about to please the EU. It's a crock of shit!!
The light buld deal now involves IBM. And what does IBM use? Java not.NET.
Cheers
I am an American living in the UK and I am only here until the job market in Boston picks up.
My Boss: "The company is alining its self with M$ and.NET?"
Silly Me: "Why? That's just silly talk."
My Boss: "It's the only way well get the M$/(NDA) Deal."
Silly Me: "Why? That's just silly talk."
My Boss: "Learn.NET or I'll find someone who will."
Silly ME: "OK."
1 month ago..
My Boss: "Everything has to be done via WebServices and SOAP but you can't rely on SSL for encryption."
Silly Me: "Why...OK"
I have spent the last 14 hours trying to read an XML file into memory, sign it, encrypt it and stick it in a SOAP envlope using C# then decrypt the message and check the signature. I'm half way there...
I'll help you out a bit..
From the horses ass: Encrypting SOAP Messages
Rob Howard
Microsoft Corporation
September 27, 2001 ......
SOAP over HTTPS is secure. The entire HTTP message, including both the headers and the body of the HTTP message is encrypted using public asymmetric encryption algorithms. However, this type of encryption places a dependency on the transport protocol: HTTP, whereas SOAP is a transport-independent protocol. A SOAP message can be sent using HTTP, SMTP, TCP, UDP, and so on.. A SOAP message can also be routed, meaning a server can receive a message, determine that it is not the final destination, and route the message elsewhere. During the routing, different transport protocols can be used, for example, HTTP -> UDP -> SMTP -> HTTP. Therefore a dependency on the transport protocol for security has an intrinsic problem: how much trust can be placed on the routing servers, as the routing server must be able to decrypt the message to read it, and then re-encrypt for another transport protocol? Other questions that arise are:
Does the transport protocol support secure communication?
What is the cost of encrypting all the data versus part of the data?
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url= / ibrary/en-us/dnaspnet/html/asp09272001.asp?frame=t rue
"Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun."
Yes, that's right children, resist it all you can. Run away! That's right you don't want to care about SOAP/WS-Security and all of that non-sense. You just stick with PHP and PERL and you'll be fine. Let me worry about XML Encryption Standards and WS-Security and the demon known as.NET.
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Also go to the free MSFT seminars and TechNet Talks. They are always giving out demo/trial crap. Also be interested and ask questions. Then talk to them during the breaks. They may be able to hook you up with other trial software.
The MSFT Speeck SDK Beta 3 came with a 60 Day VisualStudio.NET 2003 DVD.
And and I've got several copies of Windows 2003 180/360 Day Trial CD as well from these marketing events.
But since you are fresh and young and just out of high school do yourself a favor.
ENJOY YOURFUCKING LIFE!!
See once you start making money you'll want to buy nicer things (Cars, Clothes,Nice Apartment). Then you'll want to go on vacation, buy more crap. Sign up at the gym. Buy magazine subscriptions. Better WebSite hosting with ASP.NET MSSQL support.
And the next thing you know you are living well but your broke!!
I am totaly confused! If I go BUY a DVD from X and bring it home to watch it, 8 hours later it becomes useless. But I bought and paid for it shouldn't I be able to watch it every-day for the rest of my life? WTF! Instead they should just lower the price of DVD's. And besides at my local video shop you can buy 3 pre-owned DVD's for $20. $20 is cheap in comparison to: -renting a DVD($3.95) -blank DVD-R ($2) -good copy software ($0-$50) -my time (priceless)
"Sounds like 'DLL Hell' to me..."
:)
Haven't you you done your homework?
There's NO DLL Hell when your using WindowsXP and Micro$oft.NET.
SOAP and Web Service Security.
That's what geeks do. We spend every second we can in front of the computer. Coding. Tweaking. Tinkering. Reading /.
Human interaction.....ha!
We it sure ain't gonna be .NET either, Sherlock!
If you think that's funny goto linuxtoday and keep hitting refresh button.
more big fuckin ads for Microsoft Visual Studio.Net
You are totally right.
My Linux box: Old Fujitsu Laptop PII 300/96ram.
My GameBox:Win2K/PIII733/512ram/GeForce2.
I was once a Mac admin (stop laughing) and I didn't do much either. But when it came time to replace the old Mac's with the G3's is when we switched to PC's.
Then it was 1 G3 = 2 Dell's now 1 G4 = 3 or 4 Wal-Mart Specials.
Even better would be a port of Sonic Foundry's Acid.
That with ReBorn and you're in like Flyn!!
BTW got any links to music editing/creating on Linux?
Cheers
See what M$ has done. They have reduced people to thinkng that they (the people) cannot change things.
Change. This is what OpenSource is all about.
Granted the Apache group is large and the voice of one may not be immediately heard but it only takes the voice of one to start things moving.
By not bitching and instead finding a way to change things is what makes us different from them.
For them "There is no choice, there is only M$." (quote found on the web) but for us it is "Find a way or make one." (personal life philosophy)
Cheers
Dear Anonymous Coward,
... instead need to spout the typically gut reflex reaction of a slashdotter.
/.er for havin' a go at M$)
.NET is good. It's the best thing I have used in years but that doesen't mean I like using it.
:p
Probably because you haven't actually used it
FYI. Yes, I have and do use it everyday for the past year and not by choice.
POT KETTEL BLACK
(M$ person havin' a go at a
Did you not see that I said
BTW are you an "Anonymous Coward" because Bills_TrainedMonkey was taken?
Cheers
It's nearly true!! .NET apps and ASP.NET is kick ass.
.NET because it is inovative and I can build some serious shit in a short time. In fact a trained monkey could write .NET and that my frieds is why it sucks!! .NET to do my job makes me feel dirty and meaningless. My job is now CLICK DRAG DROP.
.NET
I have been forced to learn and write
But just saying that makes me feel dirty and I want to kill myself for even thinking that.
I hate
Every day that I come into work and have to use
But I have seen the light I have installed RedHat7.3 on my personal laptop. (I haven't used RedHat since 6.2). I've got Apache/PHP/PERL/MySql running and a new sense of purpose. I've dusted off my PHP4 book and I am going to spend every moment that I am not at work learing real skills.
And when I am happy with that I am buying this book "Web Development with Apache and Perl" and I am gonna pick up PERL where I left off 4 years ago!!
I figure by the time Im done with that MONO my be ready to be useful.
Long Live Open Source
Down with
You're god damned right, sarge!!!! ..!
.NET!
This is why I hate my #$@$ job!!! I know I should be happy to have a job but my company bought the lubricant, dropped their pants, bent over the table and then let out a huge grin when
I have seen the light!
Now, I will spend days at work as a spy for the underdogs and when the day comes I will use everything I have learned against
sweet!
I see your point but that's Joe Smith the factory worker you're talking about and that was 10 or 20 years ago.
You should update it with Joe Smith logs into Windows (MADE IN USA by $forigen_workers) and opens up his email (MADE IN USA by $forigen_workers) etc. and see how it looks.
The funny thing is I am a foreign worker. I am an American living/working in the UK! In fact just to piss the Brits off more American should come here!
I do see you point because my much older siblings, who lack proper educations, all lost their jobs at some point to foreign factory workers who would work for less and/or to companies outside the US.
And how!!!
I can only assume from your total understanding of the piss-poor ROI in the UK that you are either a) an American, b)You have lived in the States, c)youe ar one of the few Brits that gets pissed off at being forced to pay for bad service.
"They couldnt organise a pissup in a brewery." hhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha
It's so true!!! If anything EVER happens to me while I am living here, I'll be on the first flight back to Boston.
As for the UK on OSS, it'll never happen. The NHS's plan is to have all desktops upgraded to Win2K by the end of 2004! Currently we are developing for Win95/98 because that's what the PCT's and GP are running!! Win95!!
They (The perfect well functioning NSH) have been in talks with M$ since fall 2000. Then in the fall of 2001 they announced "Light Bulb" a project started by M$ to convert the whole of the NHS (PCT's, GP etc) to .NET and Web Services. My company was a small player in the deal and they (the people who pay me) commited everything to .NET back in Nov 2001. But the NHS decided to hold off funding any new projects until 2003 inckuding Light Bulb. Actually they had sticker shock from the ammount of the business proposal they got from M$. Now M$ has pulled out, we have no big companies to leeach off of and we are too far commited to .NET.
So, the UK gov is just fucking about to please the EU. It's a crock of shit!!
The light buld deal now involves IBM. And what does IBM use? Java not .NET.
Cheers
I am an American living in the UK and I am only here until the job market in Boston picks up.
There is no alternative. There is only Microsoft. As seen some where on the web concerning either Java vs .NET or Linux vs Windows.
"Bad is good baby! Down with government!"~The Tick
"I may be bad but I feel good" ~ AOD
The Empire is so much cooler. They've got the biggest army, the biggest guns and the baddest mother running it!
I stopped asking why 7 months ago when.
.NET?" .NET or I'll find someone who will."
My Boss: "The company is alining its self with M$ and
Silly Me: "Why? That's just silly talk."
My Boss: "It's the only way well get the M$/(NDA) Deal."
Silly Me: "Why? That's just silly talk."
My Boss: "Learn
Silly ME: "OK."
1 month ago..
My Boss: "Everything has to be done via WebServices and SOAP but you can't rely on SSL for encryption."
Silly Me: "Why...OK"
I have spent the last 14 hours trying to read an XML file into memory, sign it, encrypt it and stick it in a SOAP envlope using C# then decrypt the message and check the signature. I'm half way there...
I'll help you out a bit..
......
SOAP over HTTPS is secure. The entire HTTP message, including both the headers and the body of the HTTP message is encrypted using public asymmetric encryption algorithms. However, this type of encryption places a dependency on the transport protocol: HTTP, whereas SOAP is a transport-independent protocol. A SOAP message can be sent using HTTP, SMTP, TCP, UDP, and so on.. A SOAP message can also be routed, meaning a server can receive a message, determine that it is not the final destination, and route the message elsewhere. During the routing, different transport protocols can be used, for example, HTTP -> UDP -> SMTP -> HTTP. Therefore a dependency on the transport protocol for security has an intrinsic problem: how much trust can be placed on the routing servers, as the routing server must be able to decrypt the message to read it, and then re-encrypt for another transport protocol? Other questions that arise are:
Does the transport protocol support secure communication?
What is the cost of encrypting all the data versus part of the data?
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url= / ibrary/en-us/dnaspnet/html/asp09272001.asp?frame=t rue
From the horses ass:
Encrypting SOAP Messages Rob Howard Microsoft Corporation September 27, 2001
"Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun."
Yes, that's right children, resist it all you can. Run away! .NET.
That's right you don't want to care about SOAP/WS-Security and all of that non-sense. You just stick with PHP and PERL and you'll be fine. Let me worry about XML Encryption Standards and WS-Security and the demon known as
"Shop Smart, Shop S-Mart!"