So is DVD (which uses MPEG-2 as the compression codec, a far more inefficient algorithm than divx).
What exactly is your point?? Taking what I say outta context isn't gonna help your argument. I'm stating the obvious as for DivX.. it uses MPEG-4; another lossy format. I didn't say the visuals weren't good I said it was a Lossy format. It is. Lets move on.
The PS2 plays dvd's How exactly do you play a dvd ?shittily? Explain that to me. As for the interface, that wasn't what this discussion was about. So why are you talking about interfaces if everyone else is talking specs?
You are assuming that people who own Xboxes don't have any friends? Or access to someone elses computer? Or access to a computer at a college or uni or work?
No I'm assuming, that people have friends, and have access to computers. I just don't think they are going to go out of there way to call up a friend to ask if they can come over and download a movie; OR Oh.. umm I just got an xbox and I'm gonna hack it to play divx's I know I can go to blockbuster and rent a movie for 4 bucks or so but I was wondering if you can download Spider-Man for me and if so convert it to Divx for me so that I can watch it on my xbox. Thanks.
Then don't. Nobody asked you to. Those who do have a bit of hacker spirit inside them and are up to the technical challenge of modding their Xbox (a machine which was built to be tamper resistant) will and they'll do it to their own machines and not bother you one bit about it.
Haha technical challenge? You surely jest, I surely don't like technically challenging things at all. Hmm I run kernelcode for fun and do a bit of programming on gnome, some kernel toy things and other cool non technically challenging things. Especially cracking open this dtv/tivo box and doing all sorts of nifty stuff released back to the tivo community all these things were meant to be hacked mind you.
The rest of the world will continue as it always has, Xbox modchip or no. Quite frankly, if I had an Xbox that I wanted to mod, I wouldn't give a flying shit about "the rest of the world" or what Micro$oft is going to do about all the lost revenue or anything else. I'd be in it for the fun.
Why are you telling me this? This is what I assumed from the original post. Except Microsoft loses no revenue from this, they gain, less support contracts etc etc. Who cares though, your box and you do what you want with it. Of course this wasn't what I was addressing. As the original post clearly shows. Hey man, have all the fun you want.
The internet is an open medium which gives everyone the right to say exactly what they want to say no matter how much you dislike it. Neither slashdot nor any other company, organization, or individual on the internet is obligated to write content that you happen to agree with. If you don't like it, go to another website, there are thousands of others just like this one. Maybe you'll agree with what they say more instead of inconstructively bitching about this one. Even better, go build yourself another internet that you control if you dislike this one so damned much.
I like this internet.. Except for the minor security problems with tcp/ip and the general disdain for security. I can do whatever I like, say whatever I want, with no or very little reprecussions of any kind. Of course this wasn't what I was addressing so at this point I've invited others to read your post and somehow they think your are a bit too emotional for some reason. Do you love your xbox that much? Have I offended your xbox? If so I apologize. I apologize to your xbox that I don't care about it or what you do with it. Do you feel better?
What it was made for and what it actually gets used for can be completely different things. I think Larry Wall (inventor of Perl scripting language, for the ungeek, namely you) was the one who said that the best tool one can ever hope to create is one for which uses are discovered that its designer never would have imagined.
It was marketed to be a console, it does a halfway decent job at it cept it doesn't have any games. As for Larry Wall, I'm familiar with the name and thanks for calling me ungeeky.. I never really considered myself a geek perse.. I do geek things but you couldn't tell I was one by just looking at me. Thanks for that comment, I'm flattered.
Much as I despise Micros~1, with the modchip and these new programs being released, the Xbox now has a bit of added value in my eyes. The only question I have... where are all the Gamecube hackers?
If it's added value for you; great. As for the rest of the world this won't mean a goddamned thing is which my original post seems to convey I don't know how you got lost. The Gamecube hackers are busy playing games which was the point of a console I thought. I'm glad people can mod their ps2's (especially the ps2 which now ships in a ready to make a game package for developers which you can read about many places including OMG!! MY WEBSITE!! WOAH (like that whiteboy Joey on whats that old show Blossom)!!) and xboxes... thats great but the large populous doesn't really give a shit. My friends with ps2's who have done all sorts of crazy engineering shit aren't breaking them down. My gamecube friends aren't breaking them down and my xbox lackeys are kinda pissed they don't have any really cool games but they are also not breaking down their xboxes just because of this divx stuff; they seem relatively happy with the xbox though. To each his/her own.
Maybe because the gamecube uses gdroms?? I dunno where the gamecube hackers are really. Most of the time I just play the damn things for their entertainment value, I'm getting one eventually and it'll probably be the gamecube because I've played the coolest games on that one. PS2 is ok I do enjoy grand theft auto 3 I must admit and xbox "is like a wannabe", there are just no good games. Is the DiVX stuff gonna make me want one? Most likely no, and if I know about it and it hasn't swayed me.. your avg consumer who hears about it isn't gonna care either.
Only question I have is are you on some sort of drug?
Ok.. I'll give you the short, do you wanna migrate all these machines over at MEPS for me?? The way it was and the way it is are two different things. Your assumptions are based on the "is" way and not the "was" way. Sure the whole thing could be revamped but there is alot of redtape you gotta go through. The world isn't as black and white in some areas especially the military.
Several Os's?? Really? Name some if you don't mind. Seems to be working for some old machines my unit has and all those machines are digital unix. The ones that are of any concerning value are the military processing station ones.. but since you seem to have the answer I'd surely love to hear it.
If you'd like to see the end of this debate ahead of time feel free to join any unix newsgroup and post this conversation. Holding it on slashdot is a bit stupid and I've gotten into this type of convo every year for the last couple of years.. this year I'm doing somethign different.
I think this is in the top 10 of funniest things I've read on slashdot..
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However, certain factions, namely the Linux zealots eager to boycott and bitch and try to steal intellectual property and server code and processes they DON'T OWN are rocking the damn boat for the majority of Linux/non-Windows/non-Mac people who wouldn't mind a Blizzard game.
First off, the above comment; is probably the stupidest shit I've seen on slashdot today. It seems you haven't followed any of what bnetd has been doing at all.
Now, as for the rest of your comment. I've been using Linux for about a good 9 yrs now, the community in general at least back then has always wanted games for it, that goes without saying. However I don't think anyone in the unix community or not even windows users are willing to sacrifice "the promise of a port" over what's right.
What the fuck is wrong with you people?? There is right and there is wrong. What Vivendi/Blizzard is doing is WRONG and it will affect legitimate uses of programs everywhere and you honestly think that people such as yourself are doing anyone a favor? You're not, because just as quickly as it happened to bnetd it can happen to your project, or a friends project or a project you haven't even thought of yet.
So please, Protest and fucking protest loudly, let your voices be heard and fucking mod this parent down. The only way to affect change is to let your voice be heard, not to be quiet and hope you get a port of a game. Any change that has taking place has taking place because people got pissed off and then pissed off other people. Thats just the way it works.
Wow, you openly admit that you are Blizzards bitch. Heh, listen I don't know what you do as a profession or how old you are or any of that. I do know that in life you have to stand for something or fall for anything. You my friend will just fall for fucking anything won't you?
It's rather digusting at that too.. You are the problem with society. You'd sell your soul for a game, a fucking game. I'm not gonna rant but the difference between my generation and the generation of the World Wars all the way to Vietnam is that they fucking stood for something.. I'm 22, my generation stands for nothing but boy bands and throwing cash at corporate whores who want to take that same money to take away our rights so they can milk more money from us in illegal ways legally.
Fuck you, Fuck Blizzard and Fuck Vevendi, like I said.. stand for something. The same people pirating this game have bigger balls than you.. at least they outright defy paying for it.
Hrmm lets see, basically all those small programs that did something with the password to begin with. IE: encrypt them, or just use the system for user AUTH..ie NIS setup.. all sorts of tiny little things can break compatibility, I mean.. it would work but it wouldn't really be working. For instance take one of the hundreds of utils to encrypt the password. They are only grabbing the first 8 chars, everything else is thrown out. If you switch the system to lets say 16 chars, it's still only grabbing the first 8 so 8 of your chars are not encrypted, if it encrypts the stuff at all. You could defeat this if the program uses the crypt library but what if said programmer was following standard and wrote his own library. There are so many if's; not that it's a big problem but people are gonna bitch as usual. The only systems that really don't have this problem are C2 systems and I think they have to have an unlimited (nitpickers ie: very large not really unlimited or infinite) number to be certified c2 systems.. but they also log damn near every keystroke (nitpickers ie: you get it) which obviously takes alot of space unless you redirect to a printer.. but then thats alot of dead trees.. ok I'm rambling.
The reason is because a long time ago this was an inherent security hole at least the idea. In the good old days you could specify a password of unlimited chars, the first 8 characters were the only ones used and this has been buried deeply inside of *unix for quite sometime now. It's really not a security hole and maybe someday someone will sit down and change it.
Seemingly this exact question is asked every year around Jun/Jul/Aug. Weird, are people changing passwords around this time or what?
This has nothing to do with apple's darwin or any of that. It's really just the way things have been for quite sometime. If you feel like switching the code then go ahead. Just be prepared to break compatibility with alot of programs. Whats the big deal anyway?? Key size doesn't really have jack to do with this if you choose a proper password; numbers, letters, etc extended chars combined in one password would take sometime to crack and thats assuming the person can get your passwd file. Blah lemme not even start this debate =)
Your statement is over-hyped; It seems you haven't thought this through.
1. Divx is a lossy format to begin with, The PS2 plays dvd's. If these people don't have computers to begin with where exactly do they pick up the divx's? Not only that but to watch a movie in low quality format? Not me, I don't even own a console but if I were to buy one I would of probably bought it primarily for the games and not for some cool extra.
2. Who cares about the community? This isn't about them, when people go out to buy consoles most of these people are either Parents buying for their little kids or older adults buying to play. If I have a DVD player as I've said above and I don't have a computer how does the DiVX option help me in any substansial way? I could buy an Xbox plus seperate DVD Player and save money and get a better quality format. If I wanted to go the extra mile and turn pirate I'd just fucking copy dvd's. There are machines on the market that do that now as well as computers.
3. Skill wise, I don't want to be bothered in opening a machine; you think people even open their computers? Skill wise FOR YOU it might be extremely low, not for 9 yr old bobby who doesn't give a shit about wires but about games and Xbox just doesn't have enough cool games; Infact I went to visit a friend and he was having a garage sale.. his little cousin is talking to me rambling at the mouth.. He says do you have a gaming system? I said no, but if I did I'd probably get a gamecube or something. He says well Xbox sucks cause all the games are like wannabes and I want a gamecube cause super smash bros is cool.. you should get one too so we can have a tournament.
That says it all for me.
So, think about the rest of the world and not just your community when you talk about the sales of a product going up based on some tiny detail that is supposed to revolutionize a product. This was the problem with the internet everyone hyped every tiny little thing that seemed so amazing in their own world but was practically useless to everyone else.
DiVX on XboX you say? Who cares, I thought it was made for the cool games they were supposed to have?
1) Unix has always been alot more functional and featureful when it came to anything back then. IE: Dos didn't even multitask
2) I agree with, but just because it's designed to be controlled by a brain dead monkey doesn't mean that it should be insecure. For instance NASA/RSA/etc create interfaces to far more critical components that can't afford to fail; they are controlled by monkeys. Another example is simply Mac OS X, they've done a stellar job with administration utilities that make it easy but secure (at least in respect to say Microsoft).
3) "Hackers/Crackers" who go after the desktop are usually just script kids who take a researched exploit and write some lame stupid trojan that preys on as you said the feeble. However it becomes harder to break a system that has been tried/tested and proved over time. As you say, unix never was invulnerable but it is harder for a unix system to be vulnerable just by it's design. Just like a 4x4 built for off-roading it's still vulnerable to get stuck somewhere like a car; but less vulnerable. Usually on the net if you want a secure box with very few problems you put up a unix system and 9 times outta 10 you won't get stuck.
So everytime people talk like somehow unix doesn't get hacked because it doesn't have market share I remind them what the net was built on and what it was founded on. I then refer them to the track record of unix in stability and security. Unix has been around longer is more secure and was designed that way, thats why you see less exploits for it. I usually also recommend people actually try to put a rogue rpm/script or whatever out there and see how far it makes it in the wild for a unix system and then duplicate some of the same effects on a windows machine if possible and notice the difference. It really has nothing to do with market share.
That's not the way to build/design or setup a server.. heh. In a real world situation you'd be fired if you pulled something like that.
The Netra X1 has a sparc processor and Sun is world reknowned for their support and quality equipment, except for the fact that the X1 is PCI it's probably a better machine in the long run. Also a firewall probably has nothing to do with this, that depends on network setup and the original poster didn't discuss that. Besides if you were gonna setup a firewall would you really let a utility do it for you?? It's not gonna be anywhere near precise for an enviroment like that. Not only that but setting up a machine properly takes alot of time, it's tedious and boring and thats the job of a system administrator; that and always having a backup plan. Your way, it's 3am in the morning and a HD fails, you have to wait 6 hours to replace it. The right way, it's 3am in the morning and a HD fails, you call Sun, they send someone right over to replace it ASAP around 9am you are already home sleeping.
Ummm, you can pry pac-man and puzzle bobble from my cold dead hands... Only after you do that can you tell me that 2D games are in the past, infact thank god for the Mame team.
People have this misconception that somehow 2D is old.. It's just a dimension, doesn't mean you can't make fun games in 2D. IMHO 3D is overrated simply because there isn't a game yet with the amount of detail you can get with 2D; at least not without extensive amounts of work and hardware; simply 3D just isn't there yet. It's being primarily used in the FPS arena, and thats where the innovation is being made ala J. Carmack. However, I think most people like a good game, 2D, 3D, reality, hop skotch, rockpaperscissors or whatever it doesn't matter.
Writing a full game that people actually choose to play is damn hard, and it's getting harder every year as expectations rise.
Someone take the engine throw in some graphics and think of a cool story line. If it's fun and challenging; you've made a game that will be played, it's that simple; don't let the above sway you, it's hard to get a good idea for a game; it's not hard to write a good game that will be played.
For the commercial gaming industry, gamers, old, new or whatever don't really want a game they can be beat in a couple of hours. What the fuck happened to the all night gaming of Mario trying to save the princess. That shit took weeks, the right timing and alot of fucking deduction. It provided a good, wholesome, quality game where you actually had to think sometimes. Can we get some more of those?
Sun is the only Unix vendor that pushed CDE hard... The OpenGroup and other vendors XiGraphics etc etc selling the shit didn't push as hard as Sun did. Now if the usability of the shit was good then I could understand.. but it's not; now they wanna take the same team they had working on CDE and put them on Gnome.
That is what I meant, sorry I made it sound like it was invented in Sun Labs somewhere.
Stop thinking people want to be experts in something. Most people do not want to be experts in computers, or video games, or whatever it is that they are doing. Most people just want to use whatever and be done with it without necessarily having to learn anything that they are not interested in. Do you think that the more I drive the more I want to jump outta my window because somehow I've become such an expert at driving that I would jump outta my window?? Does that make sense to you?? If you are an expert and need a highly customized interface that makes things quicker then you are a niche group and that niche group of "experts" will be filled by you the programmer writing a new interface for the program which would surely allow for more functionality etc etc. It'd obviously be more terse in description etc.
Do you think people using windows wanna know how to optimize their network connection? Do you think they even wanna know what a network connection is? They don't; they don't care.
In the army all interfaces on anything are written for the lowest common denominator. Any Joe Schmuck can come off the street and jump into a Hummer and get by, any Joe Schmuck can learn how to effectively fire a m16. These interfaces are mundane for an expert and it makes them slower but a large majority of people can actually USE the stuff, from a sharpshooter to a basic trainee.
Ok your analogy makes little sense, it's not functionality it's about Usability. Learning something like VI means there is going to be a learning curve, it might be usable and more functional but for your average day run of the mill person they'd stick to notepad even if it had less functionality simply because it's more usable. Programmers need to understand that and the only company that gets this is Apple. It's not about functionality; it's nice to have, the more the better but if you have to sacrifice some functionality for usability you do. You have to find a balance.
Put Notepad and then VI in front of two people who want to write a document.
Put Notepad and then VI in front of two programmers who want to write some quick source.
Put Notepad and then VI in front of two 12 yr old students who want to write a paper.
Odds are that ALL of them come back saying they just did it in Notepad.
I've read the papers, now if you follow the Usability list or the code closely you'll see differences. The paper says one thing, the code and action say another. The paper is excellent but if it isn't followed why exactly does it matter? Thats like buying a car for the purposes of walking.
I've read many programmers views and opinions of UI. What they say and what they do are two different things. I mean, i'm about as qualified as any programmer to comment on UI but no matter what Havoc or anyone says about Gnome and it's usability I disagree terribly.
1. Things are as usable and only usable when people can generally agree on operation or functionality. If only 10 people agree on usability no matter how smart you believe you are, it won't be usable. The most usable applications, cars, planes, clocks, or whatever got that way through the users being able to say, "I want this and I want that". Just because you don't think it's a good idea or it will slow down performance or whatever doesn't mean you should keep those ideas out or wait to act upon them, especially simple things. This is what I see on the Gnome usability list.
2. There is no such thing as a beginner, intermediate or advanced user when it comes to usability. Sure, people need to become accustomed to a new interface but the interface should always be made so that a total newbie could walk by and get the hang of it in little to no time at all.
3. Suns usability team created CDE; have you used CDE? Was it usable to you? Ok.. I won't talk about that anymore and no offense to the Usability guys I'm sure you know more about this than I do but CDE just was not a usable product.
If you want usability in gnome I think you have to start with the basic shit. Like havoc said no one likes doing mundane work but until I'm able to drag something from Nautilus or GMC into my menu or for that matter edit my menu without being root Gnome is less usable.. It's the tiny things that count and I think that Gnome in general has neglected the tiny little things.
Would you rather jump through your window to get out of your car or use a latch mechanism to open the door?
What do you think about the future of Gnome in the usability arena. With the advent of Sun donating the usability team that worked on CDE and tiny little things (ie: not being able to manage the menu system without being root) where do you see Gnome fitting in amongst users. Will Gnome be only for power users, or experts only or for that matter users in transistion? (By the way I know who's working on the menu system and I'm currently trying to help figure something out). KDE has it's niche defined but Gnome seems to be in a little bit of a haze as having a defining role in the OpenSource desktop movement lately. What is it's defining niche and target audience if there is any at this point?
Also if I can squeeze another one in; With MONO being cooked and simmered in the pot how do you see the usefulness of the Compiler and.NET as a language affecting/detracting/helping opensource and Gnome in general. As MONO is a Ximian funded open source project there must be some plans to use it in Ximians' version of Gnome. If I might ask whats coming down the pipe from Ximian in the aspect of MONO/.NET and Gnome?
I don't.. I just steal the windows and mac ones, someone start a Graphics/Fonts etc project or whatever for X/Gnome/KDE and based on voting package the best fonts/graphics etc into a package and distribute freely. X also needs some new mouse pointer sets. Actually I'm gonna steal the e17 set and throw that into an X set.
Heh, don't get mad, get facts.. I have nothing against Microsoft except their practices as an illegal monopoly. You might wanna read more of my posts on your free time. As for wall st, I'd love to see you go somewhere with this idea that NT is running financials. NT in every datacenter eh?? heh Come on.. seriously.
How about we agree to disagree and move on. There are much more useful things we could debate over. I'm going by heresay and I've never worked in a financial institution this is what I've heard from friends. If you'd like you can debate with them, we are conducting a coding fest this weekend so I'll give them this link and let them respond.
I don't work in the financial industry but I know alot of people who do. The traders systems might have been as mission critical as them getting irate with you on the phone; and yes their systems are critical. But that's just front end the real work that goes on behind the scenes usually use unix.. For instance http://about.bloomberg.com/blpsupport is frontend shit.. in the background mostly everything is Unix http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/9906/sunflas h.990615.20.html I mean this is just shit I'm pulling up from google mind you. So unless everyone is lying.. thats what they run. As for OS/2 you should go to your local bank and look at the tellers screen. You'll either see OS/2 or NT with an open connection with them running Unix to check your accounts. NT, OS/2 for the desktop it's not vital but banks etc at least last time I checked still usually never tend to use NT for their financial stuff. However for instance Chase Manhattan Bank has NT with these little terminals open using a Unix system. Again feel free to check yourself. ATM's use OS/2 etc etc the list goes on. For a while there was a big lets use NT and 2000 and all that.. However the atm's still use the same exact thing.
Please this is bullshit; who the fuck is responsible when MS allows buffer overflows in IIS and allows major websites to be hacked? I don't see Microsoft being held accountable for poorly written code. You take an open source counterpart (Apache) that provides the same functionality and something like that has never happened before. You're talking a whole lot of shit, it's simple, MS has a track record of this happening and has never been held accountable and when they have, they've promised patches and fixes and all sorts of shit. They've never been sued over such things even when no fixes at all were provided. Now, name a fucking Unix company that has done the same...... I can't even think of one, the latest incident I can think of is Sun Microsystems allowing that gaping hole in login.c and that was fixed in 48 hours, a patch was made available nearly immediately.
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1) How do you work around the complete lack of server-side productivity software on Linux servers? By deploying Exchange, you can make scheduling a meeting as easy as sending an email with a time and having everyone click to confirm the meeting, which is then added to everyone's calendar. There is no solution like this without using Exchange (and I've looked.)
You have to understand this doesn't have much of anything to do with Linux, at least what they are using it for; you're talking about extending functionality of an email client/server. I'd suspect to see stuff coming from Ximian in this area as they target the desktop. However, with no users to support the development of such a project it's currently not worth it. Also this article isn't about desktop usage, it's about server usage. If you want the answer to that question you simply just have to look at who currently uses linux and for what. You also have to look at the numbers of users on desktop.
2) How do you work around the lack of group policy controls in SAMBA? By this I mean forcing a computer to have the most up-to-date anti-virus software when it logs on to the domain; mapping network drives automatically; downloading OS patches automatically through a local server. AFAIK, Samba can't do any of this as well as a Windows 2000 Server can. And what about Active Directory? LDAP isn't as cohesive a solution if you are running Windows clients.
Blah this can be done if you know what you're doing, with some scripts. Not only that but I believe RedHat provides some type of functionality for this. Samba can't do the almighty everything without proper documentation and records/structures. Obviously Microsoft doesn't provide this so you take what you get for free. Last I checked you didn't pay for Samba, also last I checked Microsoft hasn't released any specs recently enabling such operation, for any of the above you mention. However again you get this stuff for free, so you save costs and get minimal functionality if you have to support Windows users. If you're a windows based shop you have to pay thats what it boils down to.
From this article, I have to think that Merrill Lynch and others are changing their external server infrastructure, not their internal IT infrastructure.
This has nothing to do with external/internal infrastructure; they are replacing their sun boxen with linux boxen because it's cheaper and they get more bang for their buck. Wall St has used Unix for most of their vital financial etc etc transactions, they use os/2 as well. You won't find NT in operation anywhere the word "vital" is important on Wall St. For the most part this sounds totally alien of any internal/external server infrastructure I'd have to believe, that is how Wall st works.
The other conclusion I must draw is that the companies that are migrating to Linux as a workgroup server (i.e. replacing Windows NT/2000 Server with Linux) did not have a cohesive Windows network in the first place. Unfortunately, Linux is nowhere near a solution to Exchange, and it's perhaps 25% of the way to replacing a Windows 2000 primary domain controller's capabilities.
Blah, Exchange is an server application it has nothing to do with the rest of the network, and thats why Ximian just released it's Ximian Connector or whatever for Evolution. If Linux does make it on the desktop then their is a migratrion path and I'd figure if Ximian saw something like this coming down the pipe they'd look into replacing Exchange. There just isn't demand for something like that right now.. Just see #1 reply. You can't be serious about the pdc comment; thats all I have to say about that, I mean that is mostly laughable.
So what servers is Merrill Lynch migrating? Linux does have its core competencies -- web servers; application servers; network storage to some degree -- but they didn't mention what part of the infrastructure they were replacing. I would thus take the words "companywide" with a grain of salt in this case.
The article does say they are migrating their sun boxen, so thats what I tend to believe. Whatever functionality their sun boxen had is what they would reproduce on Linux. Since you say all the above is not possible you should be able to deduce that it's most likely none of the above, once you deduced that you'd either have the idea to ask Merril Lynch themselves or just leave the question unanswered. "Network storage on Linux" to some degree; stop throwing mud, that is totally unfounded and I and alot of other people would disagree with you. I seem to remember something about Veritas supporting Redhat in those list of companies. Not only that but there are many companies already using linux for their Sans. This comment again is extremely laughable.
"Companywide" I tend to take that meaning anything that was on a sun box that can be reproduce on a linux box and retain the same functionality and uptime will be replaced with said linux boxen. It's also cheaper; would you like water with that tremendously big grain of salt or will some other beverage accomdate you simply because it is taken place already or soon will be.
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So is DVD (which uses MPEG-2 as the compression codec, a far more inefficient algorithm than divx).
What exactly is your point?? Taking what I say outta context isn't gonna help your argument. I'm stating the obvious as for DivX.. it uses MPEG-4; another lossy format. I didn't say the visuals weren't good I said it was a Lossy format. It is. Lets move on.
The PS2 plays dvd's
How exactly do you play a dvd ?shittily? Explain that to me. As for the interface, that wasn't what this discussion was about. So why are you talking about interfaces if everyone else is talking specs?
You are assuming that people who own Xboxes don't have any friends? Or access to someone elses computer? Or access to a computer at a college or uni or work?
No I'm assuming, that people have friends, and have access to computers. I just don't think they are going to go out of there way to call up a friend to ask if they can come over and download a movie; OR Oh.. umm I just got an xbox and I'm gonna hack it to play divx's I know I can go to blockbuster and rent a movie for 4 bucks or so but I was wondering if you can download Spider-Man for me and if so convert it to Divx for me so that I can watch it on my xbox. Thanks.
Then don't. Nobody asked you to. Those who do have a bit of hacker spirit inside them and are up to the technical challenge of modding their Xbox (a machine which was built to be tamper resistant) will and they'll do it to their own machines and not bother you one bit about it.
Haha technical challenge? You surely jest, I surely don't like technically challenging things at all. Hmm I run kernelcode for fun and do a bit of programming on gnome, some kernel toy things and other cool non technically challenging things. Especially cracking open this dtv/tivo box and doing all sorts of nifty stuff released back to the tivo community all these things were meant to be hacked mind you.
The rest of the world will continue as it always has, Xbox modchip or no. Quite frankly, if I had an Xbox that I wanted to mod, I wouldn't give a flying shit about "the rest of the world" or what Micro$oft is going to do about all the lost revenue or anything else. I'd be in it for the fun.
Why are you telling me this? This is what I assumed from the original post. Except Microsoft loses no revenue from this, they gain, less support contracts etc etc. Who cares though, your box and you do what you want with it. Of course this wasn't what I was addressing. As the original post clearly shows. Hey man, have all the fun you want.
The internet is an open medium which gives everyone the right to say exactly what they want to say no matter how much you dislike it. Neither slashdot nor any other company, organization, or individual on the internet is obligated to write content that you happen to agree with. If you don't like it, go to another website, there are thousands of others just like this one. Maybe you'll agree with what they say more instead of inconstructively bitching about this one. Even better, go build yourself another internet that you control if you dislike this one so damned much.
I like this internet.. Except for the minor security problems with tcp/ip and the general disdain for security. I can do whatever I like, say whatever I want, with no or very little reprecussions of any kind. Of course this wasn't what I was addressing so at this point I've invited others to read your post and somehow they think your are a bit too emotional for some reason. Do you love your xbox that much? Have I offended your xbox? If so I apologize. I apologize to your xbox that I don't care about it or what you do with it. Do you feel better?
What it was made for and what it actually gets used for can be completely different things. I think Larry Wall (inventor of Perl scripting language, for the ungeek, namely you) was the one who said that the best tool one can ever hope to create is one for which uses are discovered that its designer never would have imagined.
It was marketed to be a console, it does a halfway decent job at it cept it doesn't have any games. As for Larry Wall, I'm familiar with the name and thanks for calling me ungeeky.. I never really considered myself a geek perse.. I do geek things but you couldn't tell I was one by just looking at me. Thanks for that comment, I'm flattered.
Much as I despise Micros~1, with the modchip and these new programs being released, the Xbox now has a bit of added value in my eyes. The only question I have... where are all the Gamecube hackers?
If it's added value for you; great. As for the rest of the world this won't mean a goddamned thing is which my original post seems to convey I don't know how you got lost. The Gamecube hackers are busy playing games which was the point of a console I thought. I'm glad people can mod their ps2's (especially the ps2 which now ships in a ready to make a game package for developers which you can read about many places including OMG!! MY WEBSITE!! WOAH (like that whiteboy Joey on whats that old show Blossom)!!) and xboxes... thats great but the large populous doesn't really give a shit. My friends with ps2's who have done all sorts of crazy engineering shit aren't breaking them down. My gamecube friends aren't breaking them down and my xbox lackeys are kinda pissed they don't have any really cool games but they are also not breaking down their xboxes just because of this divx stuff; they seem relatively happy with the xbox though. To each his/her own.
Maybe because the gamecube uses gdroms?? I dunno where the gamecube hackers are really. Most of the time I just play the damn things for their entertainment value, I'm getting one eventually and it'll probably be the gamecube because I've played the coolest games on that one. PS2 is ok I do enjoy grand theft auto 3 I must admit and xbox "is like a wannabe", there are just no good games. Is the DiVX stuff gonna make me want one? Most likely no, and if I know about it and it hasn't swayed me.. your avg consumer who hears about it isn't gonna care either.
Only question I have is are you on some sort of drug?
Ok.. I'll give you the short, do you wanna migrate all these machines over at MEPS for me?? The way it was and the way it is are two different things. Your assumptions are based on the "is" way and not the "was" way. Sure the whole thing could be revamped but there is alot of redtape you gotta go through. The world isn't as black and white in some areas especially the military.
Several Os's?? Really? Name some if you don't mind. Seems to be working for some old machines my unit has and all those machines are digital unix. The ones that are of any concerning value are the military processing station ones.. but since you seem to have the answer I'd surely love to hear it.
If you'd like to see the end of this debate ahead of time feel free to join any unix newsgroup and post this conversation. Holding it on slashdot is a bit stupid and I've gotten into this type of convo every year for the last couple of years.. this year I'm doing somethign different.
I think this is in the top 10 of funniest things I've read on slashdot..
However, certain factions, namely the Linux zealots eager to boycott and bitch and try to steal intellectual property and server code and processes they DON'T OWN are rocking the damn boat for the majority of Linux/non-Windows/non-Mac people who wouldn't mind a Blizzard game.
First off, the above comment; is probably the stupidest shit I've seen on slashdot today. It seems you haven't followed any of what bnetd has been doing at all.
Now, as for the rest of your comment. I've been using Linux for about a good 9 yrs now, the community in general at least back then has always wanted games for it, that goes without saying. However I don't think anyone in the unix community or not even windows users are willing to sacrifice "the promise of a port" over what's right.
What the fuck is wrong with you people?? There is right and there is wrong. What Vivendi/Blizzard is doing is WRONG and it will affect legitimate uses of programs everywhere and you honestly think that people such as yourself are doing anyone a favor? You're not, because just as quickly as it happened to bnetd it can happen to your project, or a friends project or a project you haven't even thought of yet.
So please, Protest and fucking protest loudly, let your voices be heard and fucking mod this parent down. The only way to affect change is to let your voice be heard, not to be quiet and hope you get a port of a game. Any change that has taking place has taking place because people got pissed off and then pissed off other people. Thats just the way it works.
Wow, you openly admit that you are Blizzards bitch. Heh, listen I don't know what you do as a profession or how old you are or any of that. I do know that in life you have to stand for something or fall for anything. You my friend will just fall for fucking anything won't you?
It's rather digusting at that too.. You are the problem with society. You'd sell your soul for a game, a fucking game. I'm not gonna rant but the difference between my generation and the generation of the World Wars all the way to Vietnam is that they fucking stood for something.. I'm 22, my generation stands for nothing but boy bands and throwing cash at corporate whores who want to take that same money to take away our rights so they can milk more money from us in illegal ways legally.
Fuck you, Fuck Blizzard and Fuck Vevendi, like I said.. stand for something. The same people pirating this game have bigger balls than you.. at least they outright defy paying for it.
Hrmm lets see, basically all those small programs that did something with the password to begin with. IE: encrypt them, or just use the system for user AUTH..ie NIS setup.. all sorts of tiny little things can break compatibility, I mean.. it would work but it wouldn't really be working. For instance take one of the hundreds of utils to encrypt the password. They are only grabbing the first 8 chars, everything else is thrown out. If you switch the system to lets say 16 chars, it's still only grabbing the first 8 so 8 of your chars are not encrypted, if it encrypts the stuff at all. You could defeat this if the program uses the crypt library but what if said programmer was following standard and wrote his own library. There are so many if's; not that it's a big problem but people are gonna bitch as usual. The only systems that really don't have this problem are C2 systems and I think they have to have an unlimited (nitpickers ie: very large not really unlimited or infinite) number to be certified c2 systems.. but they also log damn near every keystroke (nitpickers ie: you get it) which obviously takes alot of space unless you redirect to a printer.. but then thats alot of dead trees.. ok I'm rambling.
The reason is because a long time ago this was an inherent security hole at least the idea. In the good old days you could specify a password of unlimited chars, the first 8 characters were the only ones used and this has been buried deeply inside of *unix for quite sometime now. It's really not a security hole and maybe someday someone will sit down and change it.
Seemingly this exact question is asked every year around Jun/Jul/Aug. Weird, are people changing passwords around this time or what?
This has nothing to do with apple's darwin or any of that. It's really just the way things have been for quite sometime. If you feel like switching the code then go ahead. Just be prepared to break compatibility with alot of programs. Whats the big deal anyway?? Key size doesn't really have jack to do with this if you choose a proper password; numbers, letters, etc extended chars combined in one password would take sometime to crack and thats assuming the person can get your passwd file. Blah lemme not even start this debate =)
Your statement is over-hyped; It seems you haven't thought this through.
1. Divx is a lossy format to begin with, The PS2 plays dvd's. If these people don't have computers to begin with where exactly do they pick up the divx's? Not only that but to watch a movie in low quality format? Not me, I don't even own a console but if I were to buy one I would of probably bought it primarily for the games and not for some cool extra.
2. Who cares about the community? This isn't about them, when people go out to buy consoles most of these people are either Parents buying for their little kids or older adults buying to play. If I have a DVD player as I've said above and I don't have a computer how does the DiVX option help me in any substansial way? I could buy an Xbox plus seperate DVD Player and save money and get a better quality format. If I wanted to go the extra mile and turn pirate I'd just fucking copy dvd's. There are machines on the market that do that now as well as computers.
3. Skill wise, I don't want to be bothered in opening a machine; you think people even open their computers? Skill wise FOR YOU it might be extremely low, not for 9 yr old bobby who doesn't give a shit about wires but about games and Xbox just doesn't have enough cool games; Infact I went to visit a friend and he was having a garage sale.. his little cousin is talking to me rambling at the mouth.. He says do you have a gaming system? I said no, but if I did I'd probably get a gamecube or something. He says well Xbox sucks cause all the games are like wannabes and I want a gamecube cause super smash bros is cool.. you should get one too so we can have a tournament.
That says it all for me.
So, think about the rest of the world and not just your community when you talk about the sales of a product going up based on some tiny detail that is supposed to revolutionize a product. This was the problem with the internet everyone hyped every tiny little thing that seemed so amazing in their own world but was practically useless to everyone else.
DiVX on XboX you say? Who cares, I thought it was made for the cool games they were supposed to have?
1) Unix has always been alot more functional and featureful when it came to anything back then. IE: Dos didn't even multitask
2) I agree with, but just because it's designed to be controlled by a brain dead monkey doesn't mean that it should be insecure. For instance NASA/RSA/etc create interfaces to far more critical components that can't afford to fail; they are controlled by monkeys. Another example is simply Mac OS X, they've done a stellar job with administration utilities that make it easy but secure (at least in respect to say Microsoft).
3) "Hackers/Crackers" who go after the desktop are usually just script kids who take a researched exploit and write some lame stupid trojan that preys on as you said the feeble. However it becomes harder to break a system that has been tried/tested and proved over time. As you say, unix never was invulnerable but it is harder for a unix system to be vulnerable just by it's design. Just like a 4x4 built for off-roading it's still vulnerable to get stuck somewhere like a car; but less vulnerable. Usually on the net if you want a secure box with very few problems you put up a unix system and 9 times outta 10 you won't get stuck.
So everytime people talk like somehow unix doesn't get hacked because it doesn't have market share I remind them what the net was built on and what it was founded on. I then refer them to the track record of unix in stability and security. Unix has been around longer is more secure and was designed that way, thats why you see less exploits for it. I usually also recommend people actually try to put a rogue rpm/script or whatever out there and see how far it makes it in the wild for a unix system and then duplicate some of the same effects on a windows machine if possible and notice the difference. It really has nothing to do with market share.
That's not the way to build/design or setup a server.. heh. In a real world situation you'd be fired if you pulled something like that.
The Netra X1 has a sparc processor and Sun is world reknowned for their support and quality equipment, except for the fact that the X1 is PCI it's probably a better machine in the long run. Also a firewall probably has nothing to do with this, that depends on network setup and the original poster didn't discuss that. Besides if you were gonna setup a firewall would you really let a utility do it for you?? It's not gonna be anywhere near precise for an enviroment like that. Not only that but setting up a machine properly takes alot of time, it's tedious and boring and thats the job of a system administrator; that and always having a backup plan. Your way, it's 3am in the morning and a HD fails, you have to wait 6 hours to replace it. The right way, it's 3am in the morning and a HD fails, you call Sun, they send someone right over to replace it ASAP around 9am you are already home sleeping.
www.acheron.org - I used to hang out in #ansi and I can't remember who started this but it's been around for quite sometime now.
Ummm, you can pry pac-man and puzzle bobble from my cold dead hands... Only after you do that can you tell me that 2D games are in the past, infact thank god for the Mame team.
People have this misconception that somehow 2D is old.. It's just a dimension, doesn't mean you can't make fun games in 2D. IMHO 3D is overrated simply because there isn't a game yet with the amount of detail you can get with 2D; at least not without extensive amounts of work and hardware; simply 3D just isn't there yet. It's being primarily used in the FPS arena, and thats where the innovation is being made ala J. Carmack. However, I think most people like a good game, 2D, 3D, reality, hop skotch, rockpaperscissors or whatever it doesn't matter.
Writing a full game that people actually choose to play is damn hard, and it's getting harder every year as expectations rise.
Someone take the engine throw in some graphics and think of a cool story line. If it's fun and challenging; you've made a game that will be played, it's that simple; don't let the above sway you, it's hard to get a good idea for a game; it's not hard to write a good game that will be played.
For the commercial gaming industry, gamers, old, new or whatever don't really want a game they can be beat in a couple of hours. What the fuck happened to the all night gaming of Mario trying to save the princess. That shit took weeks, the right timing and alot of fucking deduction. It provided a good, wholesome, quality game where you actually had to think sometimes. Can we get some more of those?
Sun is the only Unix vendor that pushed CDE hard... The OpenGroup and other vendors XiGraphics etc etc selling the shit didn't push as hard as Sun did. Now if the usability of the shit was good then I could understand.. but it's not; now they wanna take the same team they had working on CDE and put them on Gnome.
That is what I meant, sorry I made it sound like it was invented in Sun Labs somewhere.
Stop thinking people want to be experts in something. Most people do not want to be experts in computers, or video games, or whatever it is that they are doing. Most people just want to use whatever and be done with it without necessarily having to learn anything that they are not interested in. Do you think that the more I drive the more I want to jump outta my window because somehow I've become such an expert at driving that I would jump outta my window?? Does that make sense to you?? If you are an expert and need a highly customized interface that makes things quicker then you are a niche group and that niche group of "experts" will be filled by you the programmer writing a new interface for the program which would surely allow for more functionality etc etc. It'd obviously be more terse in description etc.
Do you think people using windows wanna know how to optimize their network connection? Do you think they even wanna know what a network connection is? They don't; they don't care.
In the army all interfaces on anything are written for the lowest common denominator. Any Joe Schmuck can come off the street and jump into a Hummer and get by, any Joe Schmuck can learn how to effectively fire a m16. These interfaces are mundane for an expert and it makes them slower but a large majority of people can actually USE the stuff, from a sharpshooter to a basic trainee.
Ok your analogy makes little sense, it's not functionality it's about Usability. Learning something like VI means there is going to be a learning curve, it might be usable and more functional but for your average day run of the mill person they'd stick to notepad even if it had less functionality simply because it's more usable. Programmers need to understand that and the only company that gets this is Apple. It's not about functionality; it's nice to have, the more the better but if you have to sacrifice some functionality for usability you do. You have to find a balance.
Put Notepad and then VI in front of two people who want to write a document.
Put Notepad and then VI in front of two programmers who want to write some quick source.
Put Notepad and then VI in front of two 12 yr old students who want to write a paper.
Odds are that ALL of them come back saying they just did it in Notepad.
I've read the papers, now if you follow the Usability list or the code closely you'll see differences. The paper says one thing, the code and action say another. The paper is excellent but if it isn't followed why exactly does it matter? Thats like buying a car for the purposes of walking.
Yes it is, the same team is working on gnome.
I've read many programmers views and opinions of UI. What they say and what they do are two different things. I mean, i'm about as qualified as any programmer to comment on UI but no matter what Havoc or anyone says about Gnome and it's usability I disagree terribly.
1. Things are as usable and only usable when people can generally agree on operation or functionality. If only 10 people agree on usability no matter how smart you believe you are, it won't be usable. The most usable applications, cars, planes, clocks, or whatever got that way through the users being able to say, "I want this and I want that". Just because you don't think it's a good idea or it will slow down performance or whatever doesn't mean you should keep those ideas out or wait to act upon them, especially simple things. This is what I see on the Gnome usability list.
2. There is no such thing as a beginner, intermediate or advanced user when it comes to usability. Sure, people need to become accustomed to a new interface but the interface should always be made so that a total newbie could walk by and get the hang of it in little to no time at all.
3. Suns usability team created CDE; have you used CDE? Was it usable to you? Ok.. I won't talk about that anymore and no offense to the Usability guys I'm sure you know more about this than I do but CDE just was not a usable product.
If you want usability in gnome I think you have to start with the basic shit. Like havoc said no one likes doing mundane work but until I'm able to drag something from Nautilus or GMC into my menu or for that matter edit my menu without being root Gnome is less usable.. It's the tiny things that count and I think that Gnome in general has neglected the tiny little things.
Would you rather jump through your window to get out of your car or use a latch mechanism to open the door?
What do you think about the future of Gnome in the usability arena. With the advent of Sun donating the usability team that worked on CDE and tiny little things (ie: not being able to manage the menu system without being root) where do you see Gnome fitting in amongst users. Will Gnome be only for power users, or experts only or for that matter users in transistion? (By the way I know who's working on the menu system and I'm currently trying to help figure something out). KDE has it's niche defined but Gnome seems to be in a little bit of a haze as having a defining role in the OpenSource desktop movement lately. What is it's defining niche and target audience if there is any at this point?
.NET as a language affecting/detracting/helping opensource and Gnome in general. As MONO is a Ximian funded open source project there must be some plans to use it in Ximians' version of Gnome. If I might ask whats coming down the pipe from Ximian in the aspect of MONO/.NET and Gnome?
Also if I can squeeze another one in; With MONO being cooked and simmered in the pot how do you see the usefulness of the Compiler and
I don't.. I just steal the windows and mac ones, someone start a Graphics/Fonts etc project or whatever for X/Gnome/KDE and based on voting package the best fonts/graphics etc into a package and distribute freely. X also needs some new mouse pointer sets. Actually I'm gonna steal the e17 set and throw that into an X set.
Heh, don't get mad, get facts.. I have nothing against Microsoft except their practices as an illegal monopoly. You might wanna read more of my posts on your free time. As for wall st, I'd love to see you go somewhere with this idea that NT is running financials. NT in every datacenter eh?? heh
Come on.. seriously.
How about we agree to disagree and move on. There are much more useful things we could debate over. I'm going by heresay and I've never worked in a financial institution this is what I've heard from friends. If you'd like you can debate with them, we are conducting a coding fest this weekend so I'll give them this link and let them respond.
I don't work in the financial industry but I know alot of people who do. The traders systems might have been as mission critical as them getting irate with you on the phone; and yes their systems are critical. But that's just front end the real work that goes on behind the scenes usually use unix.. For instance http://about.bloomberg.com/blpsupport is frontend shit.. in the background mostly everything is Unix http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/9906/sunflas h.990615.20.html
I mean this is just shit I'm pulling up from google mind you. So unless everyone is lying.. thats what they run. As for OS/2 you should go to your local bank and look at the tellers screen. You'll either see OS/2 or NT with an open connection with them running Unix to check your accounts. NT, OS/2 for the desktop it's not vital but banks etc at least last time I checked still usually never tend to use NT for their financial stuff. However for instance Chase Manhattan Bank has NT with these little terminals open using a Unix system. Again feel free to check yourself. ATM's use OS/2 etc etc the list goes on. For a while there was a big lets use NT and 2000 and all that.. However the atm's still use the same exact thing.
Please this is bullshit; who the fuck is responsible when MS allows buffer overflows in IIS and allows major websites to be hacked? I don't see Microsoft being held accountable for poorly written code. You take an open source counterpart (Apache) that provides the same functionality and something like that has never happened before. You're talking a whole lot of shit, it's simple, MS has a track record of this happening and has never been held accountable and when they have, they've promised patches and fixes and all sorts of shit. They've never been sued over such things even when no fixes at all were provided. Now, name a fucking Unix company that has done the same...... I can't even think of one, the latest incident I can think of is Sun Microsystems allowing that gaping hole in login.c and that was fixed in 48 hours, a patch was made available nearly immediately.
1) How do you work around the complete lack of server-side productivity software on Linux servers? By deploying Exchange, you can make scheduling a meeting as easy as sending an email with a time and having everyone click to confirm the meeting, which is then added to everyone's calendar. There is no solution like this without using Exchange (and I've looked.)
You have to understand this doesn't have much of anything to do with Linux, at least what they are using it for; you're talking about extending functionality of an email client/server. I'd suspect to see stuff coming from Ximian in this area as they target the desktop. However, with no users to support the development of such a project it's currently not worth it. Also this article isn't about desktop usage, it's about server usage. If you want the answer to that question
you simply just have to look at who currently uses linux and for what. You also have to look at the numbers of users on desktop.
2) How do you work around the lack of group policy controls in SAMBA? By this I mean forcing a computer to have the most up-to-date anti-virus software when it logs on to the domain; mapping network drives automatically; downloading OS patches automatically through a local server. AFAIK, Samba can't do any of this as well as a Windows 2000 Server can. And what about Active Directory? LDAP isn't as cohesive a solution if you are running Windows clients.
Blah this can be done if you know what you're doing, with some scripts. Not only that but I believe RedHat provides some type of functionality for this. Samba can't do the almighty everything without proper documentation and records/structures. Obviously Microsoft doesn't provide this so you take what you get for free. Last I checked you didn't pay for Samba, also last
I checked Microsoft hasn't released any specs recently enabling such operation, for any of the above you mention. However again you get this stuff for free, so you save costs and get minimal functionality if you have to support Windows users. If you're a windows based shop you have to pay thats what it boils down to.
From this article, I have to think that Merrill Lynch and others are changing their external server infrastructure, not their internal IT infrastructure.
This has nothing to do with external/internal infrastructure; they are replacing their sun boxen with linux boxen because it's cheaper and they get more bang for their buck. Wall St has used Unix for most of their vital financial etc etc transactions, they use os/2 as well. You won't find NT in operation anywhere the word "vital" is important on Wall St. For the most part this sounds totally alien of any internal/external server infrastructure I'd have to believe, that is how Wall st works.
The other conclusion I must draw is that the companies that are migrating to Linux as a workgroup server (i.e. replacing Windows NT/2000 Server with Linux) did not have a cohesive Windows network in the first place. Unfortunately, Linux is nowhere near a solution to Exchange, and it's perhaps 25% of the way to replacing a Windows 2000 primary domain controller's capabilities.
Blah, Exchange is an server application it has nothing to do with the rest of the network, and thats why Ximian just released it's Ximian Connector or whatever for Evolution. If Linux does make it on the desktop then their is a migratrion path and I'd figure if Ximian saw something like this coming down the pipe they'd look into replacing Exchange. There just isn't demand for something like that right now.. Just see #1 reply. You can't be serious about the pdc comment; thats all I have to say about that, I mean that is mostly laughable.
So what servers is Merrill Lynch migrating? Linux does have its core competencies -- web servers; application servers; network storage to some degree -- but they didn't mention what part of the infrastructure they were replacing. I would thus take the words "companywide" with a grain of salt in this case.
The article does say they are migrating their sun boxen, so thats what I tend to believe. Whatever functionality their sun boxen had is what they
would reproduce on Linux. Since you say all the above is not possible you should be able to deduce that it's most likely none of the above, once you
deduced that you'd either have the idea to ask Merril Lynch themselves or just leave the question unanswered. "Network storage on Linux" to some degree; stop throwing mud, that is totally unfounded and I and alot of other people would disagree with you. I seem to remember something about Veritas supporting Redhat in those list of companies. Not only that but there are many companies already using linux for their Sans. This comment again is extremely laughable.
"Companywide" I tend to take that meaning anything that was on a sun box that can be reproduce on a linux box and retain the same functionality and
uptime will be replaced with said linux boxen. It's also cheaper; would you like water with that tremendously big grain of salt or will some other
beverage accomdate you simply because it is taken place already or soon will be.