This is the internet remember? That story will be reposted somewhere else anyway, so if you don't wanna register just go to another site.. CNN, blah blah blah etc etc etc.
It's funny, my site isn't what I call big but it's indexed in google and it didn't take 2-3 months, I have friends with websites they just opened and the first thing I get from them is what the fuck is Googlebot doing in my logs already. Infact why don't you try it yourself, setup a domain and see how long it takes google to get there. Index it and then have it in it's search engine. I'd make a 50 dollar bet it'll be max 4 weeks.
If you already are maxed out on ram then "nice" is your friend. You can try to squeeze out as much performance as you want, but if you don't have enough ram or ram is not an option then you just have to deal. Also make your swap partition bigger if it's getting full to quick, if 8 people are running gaussian, amber. Then obviously you need more than the "recommended" swap even with large amounts of memory. 4 gigs of memory seems like alot until you start doing heavy shit.. thats where you get a nice cheap 40-60-100 gig drive and make the whole thing primarily for swap. Problem solved. You might also want to write yourself a daemon that nice's based on order.. from -20 to 20. First in gets the highest priority.. subsequent processes get a lower priority and get reniced to a higher priority as the first process finishes.. This way if it's only a dual system even though linux is pretty good with multi-processor support you get even more efficient scaling. Worst comes to worst lobby for a couple of blades or netras or something and stack em.
I've been following the HURD kernel for a while; albeit quietly and I stopped when it seemed like it was just dead in the water that was sometime in August of last yr. I think that as of now (and because I'm not aware of anything else) the hurd kernel will only work on 32 bit archs. Therefore currently it's not really portable until the Microkernel Object Model is used for everything which last time I checked it wasn't. I think that I'll help with some documentation though.. If anyone has contrary to the above please let me know. HURD looks like it's gonna be fun.
I disagree with mostly all of it but whatever. Surveying 3000 adults for a study like this isn't enough. A more comprehensive study needs to be done. For instance, I'm African-American, Black or whatever the fucking PC term is. I'm 22 and tend to think I know a little about computers at least enough to not be totally ignorant. That said blackplanet.com has a shit load of African-American's online every single day. I've never seen it go under the 20,000 mark and mind you this is just one website. I don't use it everyday or even every month but everytime I do go there (maybe every 2 months) there is always a large number of people on. As for others i'd be hard pressed to know anything but from my view of the world conducting a study/survey like this tends to be futile. Technology is just the modern day equivalent of the cavemans sharpened rock for an axe. They are just tools, except these aren't for survival; better communication, yes. Some will know how to use them and others won't. However if a study/survey is to be done 3,000 people isn't enough, if you could get at least 5,000 from every state you'd probably get better numbers.
Yeah.. however it goes deeper than that. I mean the basic functionality is the same except for the way it handles certain things such as this cut/copy/paste blah blah blah. For instance you can't use the 3rd mouse button on OS X to paste. However you could always turn the paste functionality off, shouldn't be too hard; then again, yeah, lemme retract that statement.
If you are scrolling release pressure on the middle button, that will help with the accidental middle button clicks. Or just get a 3 button mouse, I refuse to give up that functionality:)
I've never had a problem with it.. Maybe you just need a new mouse, the logitech optical mouse is very nice. May help.
No the point is that you never know when a law as stupid as the DMCA is gonna get you put in jail or involved in some legal nonsense. That's the point.. don't be stupid if you are this upset lobby against the DMCA instead of getting angry at a guy who won't post security fixes because of it.
Oh that wasn't a troll?? Then was it meant to be funny because then I wouldn't really have responded. However seeing that you were "conveying" your "feelings on the matter and being interested in people's responses".
I responded; clearly because it looked like you didn't know what you were talking about. You still don't know what you're talking about. MS wasn't found guilty for bundling their IE browser. They were found guilty for illegally crushing Netscape and sweeping the pieces out of the market.
I refute all of your "charges" and my post echo's none of them. Personally I think it's extremely logical in trying to make my point. That point being that Microsoft is criminal and they must be penalized otherwise the industry will be prone to stagnation.
Please read up on the subject before posting and as for my uid and my "+1" posting. I don't really give a shit; just like you I'm just converying my feelings on the matter and in this case I'm not too interested in your response.
No one is debating that and yes you are a troll. People are upset with the fact that Microsoft went about the whole thing wrong. IE was integrated, so what, part of the problem is that Microsoft did all this shit illegally.. they forced Netscape outta the market UNFAIRLY. This isn't about their godforsaken product as much as it is about them being criminal and being found guilty on all charges.
Everything else is just that.. everything else. If Microsoft played fairly no one would care about them integrating whatever the hell they wanted to in their product. However because they've been found out to play unfairly; 3rd parties tend to get scared from the get go. "You saw what they did to netscape, you see how they got away with it!!"; I'm either gonna consolidate or sell to MS just based on this. Why? Because me as a 3rd party can't win. If I can't win or at least compete in the game, why play?
Again; understand that this isn't about MS incoporating their stuff. As a penalty they shouldn't be allowed to but thats what is really being debated. Comapnies, 3rd parties, programmers and some people are scared shitless because if MS gets off easy with this.. The industry will no longer be fun, no competition, no innovation, people will either assimilate or be assimilated.
So be pro-microsoft all you want, for now at least I have a right to tell you to "stop trolling".
Ummm Morpheus knew about the service being centrally controlled. Hell anyone involved or that tried to use gIFT until the project was halted for this reason knew that FastTrack added centrally controlled mechanisms. Instead of just truly keeping it decentralized they fucked up and now it's gonna cost them dearly. I'm please as gnutella just quietly kept coming along and the protocol kept increasing in functionality.
Interesting to see though; Morpheus it's really too late for you even with the switch they are gonna have to pay penalties; and to Kazaa good riddens.
Why don't you tell that to Microsoft.. You want a coherent discussion?? On the topic of Microsoft being found guilty of using it's monopolistic powers criminally? Please; spare me the bullshit. Especially when they try to continually impede justice and then on top of all that tell the Justice dept on how it should be penalized. Nothing about Microsoft can be discussed coherently except to say. They need to be punished not slapped on the hand or given their way. Enough of that, if you want some other type of coherent discussion call Microsoft PR.
OS vendors just need to start supporting it and network/system administrators need to start implementing it. For instance Solaris comes with the option of enabling IPV6 but keeping continued functionality with IPV4, it allows for migration. Openbsd does this as well I believe and I've started to see some Linux distro's do the same. Now all we need to do is actually implement it. Alot of people seem to be afraid of IPV6 because of the hex but if you spend a month or two with it; it becomes easier. I recommend some solid reading on IPV4 as well as the IP in general.
Ummmm Battle.net being slow has everything to do with games; this is one of the prime reasons to use/play their games, Blizzard games are played over tcp/ip lets not convolute shit with "p2p protocol" (they just recently added udp support to starcraft).. The quality of the game has everything to do with battle.net, people don't buy starcraft or diablo to play by themselves. Maybe you do.. you're a small percentage.
As for cheaters, they usually come in the form of clans.. I don't have to play with them but after a couple of times having that happen it becomes pointless to play on battle.net. If someone is gonna cheat on a bnetd server they usually are more accountable. The people that play on that bnetd server wouldn't stand for it as they wouldn't be the ones cheating.. If the majority is cheating then you just remember to never play on that server and choose a different server. Much like quake/quake2/quake3.. All different types of servers, you play on the ones with the lowest pings and the least cheaters.
You try to make valid points but your points have flaws.. serious flaws.. If you wanna play a battle.net game with a 450 ping and then on top of that have people cheat then thats your business but thats not what I expect from a game I paid 50 or more dollars for.
With that.. I'm done with this conversation; no offense but you aren't really providing any rebuttal with valid points except to say that I and others should except battle.net for the shit that it is and just deal with it.
It's just better that way, I get exactly what I want and how I want it with no "Oh we can't do this yet because we don't know how" type of shit. So I host kernelcode.com off a dsl connection and so far so good; (used to have it on a cable connection but it was problematic) I haven't gotten any major complaints about speed even though it is slow when it hits around 8 users at the same time (loading the page at the same time) but it works and I'm happy with it; if there is something i want done I know I can take care of it.
So all in all if it's not a heavy bandwidth site then do it on your own. If it starts to get heavy you could always get a fractional t1 or ship it off to a hosting company. Until then, do your own stuff because at the end of the day when something needs to be done you're gonna end up doing it yourself or walking someone else through it anyway.
Battle.net is slow, everyone isn't gonna have the same ping or even close to it. It's also easier to deal with cheaters with a bnetd server.. You ban their ip, it's that simple.
The difference with battle.net is that it's slow, it allows cheaters to keep cheating even if you complain etc etc etc. I paid for a game, even if it's just the right to play it. I'd like to exercise that right to play the game, if I can't play the game what exactly have I paid for?? I might have the right to play it but can't do so because of the above and can't do so now because bnetd doesn't exist. What are my options; you tell me.
It's simple.. If I can buy the game and actually play it in an enviroment without lag and cheating then I wouldn't have to run a bnetd because what would be the point? Bnetd exists simply because of Blizzard, battle.net sucks.. I used to be an avid starcraft player until everyone started cheating, cheating sucks.. I got fed up and decided I would never buy another Blizzard game until they fixed battle.net. I haven't bought diablo/diablo2/whatever else they have out and I wont buy warcraft 3. So if thats 150 dollars based on one person times that time the 25 people who you say really did buy the game in your example; that's 3,750 USD lost to blizzard (and those 75 that would of pirated the game; still gonna pirate it). So Blizzard gains absolutely nothing and I know there are people like me.
Blizzard will start to lose market share in the game market soon. If they'd take an example from ID and simply allow people to run their own servers they'd do themselves a service. ID software is more pirated than Blizzard shit; they don't complain because they know a game has a life cycle, you can't make money off of it forever so they provide a quality product and a quality game and let you play it where you want, when you want how you want. The customers who are gonna buy their games are still gonna buy them and the pirates will still pirate, and hopefully eventually they'll grow up and purchase ID games.
Blizzard is just putting nails into their own coffin.
"Now one of the biggest obstacles to Linux that I see is the lack of interoperabiity with other OSes, especially Windows."
I call bullshit on that. Linux works on more archs than windows does, linux is inteoperable with just about close to everything out there, we even try to read NTFS partitions.
The biggest obstacle to Linux is nothing.. an obstacle that this community has been trying to get over however, has been inteoperability with Windows(tm) by Microsoft. THEY are the ones that don't want interoperability. Now that ties are seemingly broken as projects like Samba and Wine come along (because of Microsoft these projects exist, my deepest gratitude to the developers of these projects) here this.NET shit comes along and we have to try and be inteoperable with that?? I say, No. I'm tired of being yolked around by Microsoft. The Linux community, the free software and opensource movement is at a point now where we need and CAN start defining our OWN standards. It's funny people will believe that a company that has fought, extended and want's it's own standards so they work with nothing else all of a sudden want's.NET everywhere on everything. They submit some specs (not all) to a standards body and all of a sudden they are nice and want interoperability. I swear it's almost as if they have mind control over people.
Again that's optimistic bullshit, YOU don't decide how this pans out; Miguel doesn't decide how this pans out either. It's Microsoft who will decide the future of Mono, it will either work with Windows systems or it will not. In the case that it does work, trust me; it'll be limited simply because Microsoft is a business they won't just let their desktop market get sliced into.. especially since they can have their cake and eat it too. If it doesn't Mono is Java with some extra functionality bolted in. Java is coming along, I don't even like java but in small doses it isn't so bad. There are many other languages etc etc Gnome could use for the desktop.
Again, you try to spread an optimistic viewpoint about how Mono WILL BE; not how it is and you tend to neglect what we here at slashdot and the internet community in general already know about Microsoft, including the DOJ and just about anyone that reads a paper.
Stop saying that; Everytime we have this Gnome/Mono discussion you always reply to my posts or other posts with absolute garbage. NONE of that exists yet. First off Any apps developed to run on Mono WILL not run on Windows as well, especially since Microsoft hasn't submitted all specs; not only that but embrace and extend could kill off the mono project with 1 compile from Microsoft.
The end result is "A WASTE OF TIME". Jeezsus don't you get it? MS HAS control over the Mono project already.. they defined the specs for the Mono project. If anything I keep saying Mono will become java basically. By that time I'm sure java would be further ahead. When Mono reaches 1.0 Microsoft will be up to 1.whatever and STOP SAYING all apps developed for VS.NET now will run on Linux.. That's bullshit.. I'm beginning to think you're speaking right outta your ass. Either you're an optimist or just one of Microsoft's lackies. Either way you're basically lying, spreading FUD and it's extremely annoying. Especially considering we are talking about Microsoft here, who wont even release specs on their filesystem or tools to communicate with window systems. All of a sudden they wanna allow you to run.NET shit on any platform under the sun? Whatever, I'll stick to Java, to some Sun might not be any better BUT they have proven over time with technologies like NFS, Java, etc etc etc that they want their systems, archs and programs written on them portable to other systems and archs; STOP SPREADING LIES.
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This is the internet remember? That story will be reposted somewhere else anyway, so if you don't wanna register just go to another site.. CNN, blah blah blah etc etc etc.
It's funny, my site isn't what I call big but it's indexed in google and it didn't take 2-3 months, I have friends with websites they just opened and the first thing I get from them is what the fuck is Googlebot doing in my logs already. Infact why don't you try it yourself, setup a domain and see how long it takes google to get there. Index it and then have it in it's search engine. I'd make a 50 dollar bet it'll be max 4 weeks.
If you already are maxed out on ram then "nice" is your friend. You can try to squeeze out as much performance as you want, but if you don't have enough ram or ram is not an option then you just have to deal. Also make your swap partition bigger if it's getting full to quick, if 8 people are running gaussian, amber. Then obviously you need more than the "recommended" swap even with large amounts of memory. 4 gigs of memory seems like alot until you start doing heavy shit.. thats where you get a nice cheap 40-60-100 gig drive and make the whole thing primarily for swap. Problem solved. You might also want to write yourself a daemon that nice's based on order.. from -20 to 20. First in gets the highest priority.. subsequent processes get a lower priority and get reniced to a higher priority as the first process finishes.. This way if it's only a dual system even though linux is pretty good with multi-processor support you get even more efficient scaling. Worst comes to worst lobby for a couple of blades or netras or something and stack em.
I've been following the HURD kernel for a while; albeit quietly and I stopped when it seemed like it was just dead in the water that was sometime in August of last yr. I think that as of now (and because I'm not aware of anything else) the hurd kernel will only work on 32 bit archs. Therefore currently it's not really portable until the Microkernel Object Model is used for everything which last time I checked it wasn't. I think that I'll help with some documentation though.. If anyone has contrary to the above please let me know. HURD looks like it's gonna be fun.
I disagree with mostly all of it but whatever. Surveying 3000 adults for a study like this isn't enough. A more comprehensive study needs to be done. For instance, I'm African-American, Black or whatever the fucking PC term is. I'm 22 and tend to think I know a little about computers at least enough to not be totally ignorant. That said blackplanet.com has a shit load of African-American's online every single day. I've never seen it go under the 20,000 mark and mind you this is just one website. I don't use it everyday or even every month but everytime I do go there (maybe every 2 months) there is always a large number of people on. As for others i'd be hard pressed to know anything but from my view of the world conducting a study/survey like this tends to be futile. Technology is just the modern day equivalent of the cavemans sharpened rock for an axe. They are just tools, except these aren't for survival; better communication, yes. Some will know how to use them and others won't. However if a study/survey is to be done 3,000 people isn't enough, if you could get at least 5,000 from every state you'd probably get better numbers.
Ok lemme stop rambling.
Yeah.. however it goes deeper than that. I mean the basic functionality is the same except for the way it handles certain things such as this cut/copy/paste blah blah blah. For instance you can't use the 3rd mouse button on OS X to paste. However you could always turn the paste functionality off, shouldn't be too hard; then again, yeah, lemme retract that statement.
If you are scrolling release pressure on the middle button, that will help with the accidental middle button clicks. Or just get a 3 button mouse, I refuse to give up that functionality
I've never had a problem with it.. Maybe you just need a new mouse, the logitech optical mouse is very nice. May help.
No the point is that you never know when a law as stupid as the DMCA is gonna get you put in jail or involved in some legal nonsense. That's the point.. don't be stupid if you are this upset lobby against the DMCA instead of getting angry at a guy who won't post security fixes because of it.
How is he exagerating anything?? He's basically just trying to stay out of jail.
Oh that wasn't a troll?? Then was it meant to be funny because then I wouldn't really have responded. However seeing that you were "conveying" your "feelings on the matter and being interested in people's responses".
I responded; clearly because it looked like you didn't know what you were talking about. You still don't know what you're talking about. MS wasn't found guilty for bundling their IE browser. They were found guilty for illegally crushing Netscape and sweeping the pieces out of the market.
I refute all of your "charges" and my post echo's none of them. Personally I think it's extremely logical in trying to make my point. That point being that Microsoft is criminal and they must be penalized otherwise the industry will be prone to stagnation.
Please read up on the subject before posting and as for my uid and my "+1" posting. I don't really give a shit; just like you I'm just converying my feelings on the matter and in this case I'm not too interested in your response.
No one is debating that and yes you are a troll. People are upset with the fact that Microsoft went about the whole thing wrong. IE was integrated, so what, part of the problem is that Microsoft did all this shit illegally.. they forced Netscape outta the market UNFAIRLY. This isn't about their godforsaken product as much as it is about them being criminal and being found guilty on all charges.
Everything else is just that.. everything else. If Microsoft played fairly no one would care about them integrating whatever the hell they wanted to in their product. However because they've been found out to play unfairly; 3rd parties tend to get scared from the get go. "You saw what they did to netscape, you see how they got away with it!!"; I'm either gonna consolidate or sell to MS just based on this. Why? Because me as a 3rd party can't win. If I can't win or at least compete in the game, why play?
Again; understand that this isn't about MS incoporating their stuff. As a penalty they shouldn't be allowed to but thats what is really being debated. Comapnies, 3rd parties, programmers and some people are scared shitless because if MS gets off easy with this.. The industry will no longer be fun, no competition, no innovation, people will either assimilate or be assimilated.
So be pro-microsoft all you want, for now at least I have a right to tell you to "stop trolling".
Ummm Morpheus knew about the service being centrally controlled. Hell anyone involved or that tried to use gIFT until the project was halted for this reason knew that FastTrack added centrally controlled mechanisms. Instead of just truly keeping it decentralized they fucked up and now it's gonna cost them dearly. I'm please as gnutella just quietly kept coming along and the protocol kept increasing in functionality.
Interesting to see though; Morpheus it's really too late for you even with the switch they are gonna have to pay penalties; and to Kazaa good riddens.
This begs the question why? It's inherently an upgrade to ipv4
Why don't you tell that to Microsoft.. You want a coherent discussion?? On the topic of Microsoft being found guilty of using it's monopolistic powers criminally? Please; spare me the bullshit. Especially when they try to continually impede justice and then on top of all that tell the Justice dept on how it should be penalized. Nothing about Microsoft can be discussed coherently except to say. They need to be punished not slapped on the hand or given their way. Enough of that, if you want some other type of coherent discussion call Microsoft PR.
OS vendors just need to start supporting it and network/system administrators need to start implementing it. For instance Solaris comes with the option of enabling IPV6 but keeping continued functionality with IPV4, it allows for migration. Openbsd does this as well I believe and I've started to see some Linux distro's do the same. Now all we need to do is actually implement it. Alot of people seem to be afraid of IPV6 because of the hex but if you spend a month or two with it; it becomes easier. I recommend some solid reading on IPV4 as well as the IP in general.
You only halfway know what you're talking about.
Ummmm Battle.net being slow has everything to do with games; this is one of the prime reasons to use/play their games, Blizzard games are played over tcp/ip lets not convolute shit with "p2p protocol" (they just recently added udp support to starcraft).. The quality of the game has everything to do with battle.net, people don't buy starcraft or diablo to play by themselves. Maybe you do.. you're a small percentage.
As for cheaters, they usually come in the form of clans.. I don't have to play with them but after a couple of times having that happen it becomes pointless to play on battle.net. If someone is gonna cheat on a bnetd server they usually are more accountable. The people that play on that bnetd server wouldn't stand for it as they wouldn't be the ones cheating.. If the majority is cheating then you just remember to never play on that server and choose a different server. Much like quake/quake2/quake3.. All different types of servers, you play on the ones with the lowest pings and the least cheaters.
You try to make valid points but your points have flaws.. serious flaws.. If you wanna play a battle.net game with a 450 ping and then on top of that have people cheat then thats your business but thats not what I expect from a game I paid 50 or more dollars for.
With that.. I'm done with this conversation; no offense but you aren't really providing any rebuttal with valid points except to say that I and others should except battle.net for the shit that it is and just deal with it.
It's just better that way, I get exactly what I want and how I want it with no "Oh we can't do this yet because we don't know how" type of shit. So I host kernelcode.com off a dsl connection and so far so good; (used to have it on a cable connection but it was problematic) I haven't gotten any major complaints about speed even though it is slow when it hits around 8 users at the same time (loading the page at the same time) but it works and I'm happy with it; if there is something i want done I know I can take care of it.
So all in all if it's not a heavy bandwidth site then do it on your own. If it starts to get heavy you could always get a fractional t1 or ship it off to a hosting company. Until then, do your own stuff because at the end of the day when something needs to be done you're gonna end up doing it yourself or walking someone else through it anyway.
Battle.net is slow, everyone isn't gonna have the same ping or even close to it. It's also easier to deal with cheaters with a bnetd server.. You ban their ip, it's that simple.
The difference with battle.net is that it's slow, it allows cheaters to keep cheating even if you complain etc etc etc. I paid for a game, even if it's just the right to play it. I'd like to exercise that right to play the game, if I can't play the game what exactly have I paid for?? I might have the right to play it but can't do so because of the above and can't do so now because bnetd doesn't exist. What are my options; you tell me.
It's simple.. If I can buy the game and actually play it in an enviroment without lag and cheating then I wouldn't have to run a bnetd because what would be the point? Bnetd exists simply because of Blizzard, battle.net sucks.. I used to be an avid starcraft player until everyone started cheating, cheating sucks.. I got fed up and decided I would never buy another Blizzard game until they fixed battle.net. I haven't bought diablo/diablo2/whatever else they have out and I wont buy warcraft 3. So if thats 150 dollars based on one person times that time the 25 people who you say really did buy the game in your example; that's 3,750 USD lost to blizzard (and those 75 that would of pirated the game; still gonna pirate it). So Blizzard gains absolutely nothing and I know there are people like me.
Blizzard will start to lose market share in the game market soon. If they'd take an example from ID and simply allow people to run their own servers they'd do themselves a service. ID software is more pirated than Blizzard shit; they don't complain because they know a game has a life cycle, you can't make money off of it forever so they provide a quality product and a quality game and let you play it where you want, when you want how you want. The customers who are gonna buy their games are still gonna buy them and the pirates will still pirate, and hopefully eventually they'll grow up and purchase ID games.
Blizzard is just putting nails into their own coffin.
Maybe you should learn the X command for cut and paste?? Because it works..
"Now one of the biggest obstacles to Linux that I see is the lack of interoperabiity with other OSes, especially Windows."
.NET shit comes along and we have to try and be inteoperable with that?? I say, No. I'm tired of being yolked around by Microsoft. The Linux community, the free software and opensource movement is at a point now where we need and CAN start defining our OWN standards. It's funny people will believe that a company that has fought, extended and want's it's own standards so they work with nothing else all of a sudden want's .NET everywhere on everything. They submit some specs (not all) to a standards body and all of a sudden they are nice and want interoperability. I swear it's almost as if they have mind control over people.
I call bullshit on that. Linux works on more archs than windows does, linux is inteoperable with just about close to everything out there, we even try to read NTFS partitions.
The biggest obstacle to Linux is nothing.. an obstacle that this community has been trying to get over however, has been inteoperability with Windows(tm) by Microsoft. THEY are the ones that don't want interoperability. Now that ties are seemingly broken as projects like Samba and Wine come along (because of Microsoft these projects exist, my deepest gratitude to the developers of these projects) here this
Again that's optimistic bullshit, YOU don't decide how this pans out; Miguel doesn't decide how this pans out either. It's Microsoft who will decide the future of Mono, it will either work with Windows systems or it will not. In the case that it does work, trust me; it'll be limited simply because Microsoft is a business they won't just let their desktop market get sliced into.. especially since they can have their cake and eat it too. If it doesn't Mono is Java with some extra functionality bolted in. Java is coming along, I don't even like java but in small doses it isn't so bad. There are many other languages etc etc Gnome could use for the desktop.
Again, you try to spread an optimistic viewpoint about how Mono WILL BE; not how it is and you tend to neglect what we here at slashdot and the internet community in general already know about Microsoft, including the DOJ and just about anyone that reads a paper.
Stop saying that; Everytime we have this Gnome/Mono discussion you always reply to my posts or other posts with absolute garbage. NONE of that exists yet. First off Any apps developed to run on Mono WILL not run on Windows as well, especially since Microsoft hasn't submitted all specs; not only that but embrace and extend could kill off the mono project with 1 compile from Microsoft.
.NET shit on any platform under the sun? Whatever, I'll stick to Java, to some Sun might not be any better BUT they have proven over time with technologies like NFS, Java, etc etc etc that they want their systems, archs and programs written on them portable to other systems and archs; STOP SPREADING LIES.
The end result is "A WASTE OF TIME". Jeezsus don't you get it? MS HAS control over the Mono project already.. they defined the specs for the Mono project. If anything I keep saying Mono will become java basically. By that time I'm sure java would be further ahead. When Mono reaches 1.0 Microsoft will be up to 1.whatever and STOP SAYING all apps developed for VS.NET now will run on Linux.. That's bullshit.. I'm beginning to think you're speaking right outta your ass. Either you're an optimist or just one of Microsoft's lackies. Either way you're basically lying, spreading FUD and it's extremely annoying. Especially considering we are talking about Microsoft here, who wont even release specs on their filesystem or tools to communicate with window systems. All of a sudden they wanna allow you to run