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GNOME 2.0 Desktop Beta 3 Released
damiam writes "GNOME 2.0 Desktop Beta 3 has been released. Changes include new versions of Nautilus, Yelp, and the control center, as well as bugfixes all around. Download it from gnome.org or one of the mirrors." Jeff Waugh adds: "The possibility of a complete beer freeze at GUADEC has inspired another kickarse release of the GNOME 2.0 Desktop. It's awesome stuff, definitely worth trying out. You should find GARNOME handy if there are no packages available for your distro."
This release is codenamed "La lluvia en Sevilla es una maravilla", which babelfish translates to "Rain in Seville is a wonder". Any spanish speakers here that can tell us, what it really means? :-)
Tastes great and is less filling when run
on FreeBSD!
Me wants screenshots. I am too lazy to look for them so someone please link to some. Gnome's website is so worthless.
You should make them - if you have the brains to compile software, you have the brains to package it. As well as not breaking your system, and ensuring a uninform install, uninstall / query process for all your software, your work is repeatable for other users and generally other distributions.
GARNOME seems like a pretty sweet deal, should give people running less mainstream versions of linux or other *n*x's a chance to run Gnome. Has anyone tried this, i'm interested in the results, very interested.
Dick Laurent is dead.
OpenBSD on a Quad Xeon? What a waste of 3 CPUs...
The weird line wrap behavior of IE can only mean one thing: Microsoft plans to compete with slashcode by launching "MS Weblog", the *only* software that can run discussion forums and protect users from *all* the quirks of IE! Folks, this is monopoly leveraging in action. Malda will have no choice but migrate Slashdot to a Microsoft platform.
Wow, I'm impressed nobody has posted links to screenshots yet!
Here you go: http://developer.gnome.org/dotplan/images/
I'm pretty new to Linux (I've ran it since January as a primary OS.. before I had it installed but only dicked around with it once and awhile) and I've been trying to figure this out for awhile.
What are the main differences between Gnome and KDE?
I use KDE because it seems a lot more natural for me, with a lot more tools to change stuff around with. I go over to Gnome sometimes, and I wonder what difference there is between KDE and Gnome. They look the same, they have a similar 'feel'.. I personally don't see the difference.
(note; this is not a troll, this is something I am legitimately wondering about)
Go into control-center, "session properties & start-up programs," "start-up programs," and then "browse currently running programs." Now just remove all entries pertaining to Nautilus (there may be just one or several, I forget). Exit and restart GNOME; the bloat should be gone now.
Oh, AFAIK, this is only vaild for 1.4. It may be different for 2.0.
Somehow I always assumed OpenBSD was Quad capable, hmm, one of the firewalls at work has a dual board, and I always wondered what would happen if I added a CPU, so I guess now I know. :-)
use opera
its more standards compliant
its way way faster
you cat turn off images/new images on teh fly
you can disable popups on the fly
it does email
it doesn't muck around with MSHTML
its safer than IE
and thats just what I can think of off the top of my head
God you relly are trolling, Gnome is a quite a bit older than Aqua. It was released a couple of years before "Aqua" was a twinkle in Steve Jobs's eye.
Hmmmm.... please tell me more about it.
Also, I really like the GNOME file selector -- any hope of ever seeing that in QT?
I was intent on using my HP NetServer (with four Xeons) as an SMP OpenBSD machine. Unfortunately, Theo and co. haven't yet implemented any support (officially, at least) for SMP.
:)
An SMP mailing list, CVS branch, and information page do exist, though.
Do you like German cars?
How in the world do you linux people put up with those shitty ass fonts?
Those screenshots for the new Gnome have just about the ugliest fonts I've ever seen in my life, next to the rest of linux that is.
I just have trouble believing that in the year 2002 you guys still don't have nice hinted fonts shipping and in-use by default with X.
I'm looking at these screenshots on my Titanium PowerBook G4, and I just glance back and forth between the screenshots and Aqua, and I laugh.
Justin Dubs
The possibility of a complete beer freeze at GUADEC...
:-)
Wouldn't that be; the threat of a complete beer freeze?
Beta 3 Release Status ("Pretty Crap"), Jeff Waugh
BETA 3: Where have all the tarballs gone?, Jeff Waugh
HEADS-UP: maintainers way overdue tarballs, Sander Vesik
Hmmmm.... please tell me more about it.
Been living under a rock have you?
dot Mononucleosis for starts.
Just looking at Gnome (and KDE) you can tell linux is for developers...cause it sucks so bad. Does anybody have the guts to say that Gnome, from a desktop users' standpoint is total garbage and looks like an 8th grader designed it even without the chicken scratch fonts?
There IS a reason why professional desktop designers make money designing for Apple (and Microsoft, even tho XP and its color scheme is horrid an unusable--even windows 95 is better than Gnome). It just goes to show, you get what you pay for, or don't pay for.
I've shit in a few strange places in my day. In HS I shit in a little used vestibule just outside the boys locker room. It was between classes, the bathrooms were decrepid, noone else was there, and I hadda go. A few days later I went back to admire my creation, and there was a footprint in it ... totally ruined. Some people have no respect for modern art.
A couple years later I'm doing some laundry with a friend at 11 PM, and disposing of a 12 pack at the same time. No bathroom, and I gotta go #2 again. No problem. Grab some paper towels from the trunk of my car, walk around to the back of the building behind a dumpster and unload. By the time I head back in, my friends gotta piss. I toss him the car keys so he can use my flashlight to avoid the landmines, and off he goes. He comes back a minute later with tears in his eyes. I'm like, "WTF??", so he leads me back to the item in question: an absolutely perfect cinnamon roll cast in fecal matter. If only I had a camera...
M4d pr0pz t0 Fr3sh P0nd Sty|z y0
-- It aint eazy bein CheezyDee
Get a life!
XML with CSS looks great in Opera. .1% is Frontpage crap that barely works in Moz.
Flash works
Crossover plugin works (quicktime et al)
99.9% of all sites work.
That other
Very easy and intuiitive system for defining your custom document settings, you just pick a tag, and tell it what font you want, i.e. H1=whatever H2=whatever PRE=whatever.
It's cheap.
If it crashes, it saves your place 90% of the time, and you don't have to search for the pages again.
Cookie handling is nice, with white and black lists on server or domain, and also it flushes all cookies on exit by default, unless you explicitely said that cookie could stick around.
Major Con:
Printing doesn't work. Ever. I have never gotten printing to work on Red Hat Linux with Opera. Come on guys, it couldn't be that hard to fix.
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
I wish someone could create packages of GNOME2 for FreeBSD.
Yeah Opera may be better, but why would I want a browser that inserts spyware from Cydoor Technologies? Their ad-system inputs a unique id in the software and is capable of sniffing your web browsing habits. Just look at their website. It includes this information harvested from Opera users:
Reach 300,000,000 impressions
Primary Age 18 - 30
Gender 73% Male | 27% Female
Income $35k -$60k
Education College
Fsck that. I'll stick with Mozilla.
Anyone care to share their opinion on or review the GAR build system ?
Nope, but I'm new with the Linux and Open Source issues. Anyway - I didnt understand your answer so please be more specific. It would be nice if you could refer shortly this Gone/MS issue.
Augh! Frozen beer!
If you can't take the foam and ice, the waiting for it to thaw is hell when it's the last you've got!
satire, n: 1) witty language used to convey insults or scorn; 2) a form of humor lost on most slashdot moderators.
In case you didn't know, Opera will only send information voluntarily. Opera doesn't harvest anything. You can set up your ad preferences to receive targeted ads, but these are disabled by default. The user actually has to enter information manually, and the information cannot be traced back to the user. In addition to this, Opera has run user surveys to find out who their users are. Cydoor have simply picked this information up from Opera's web pages.
Not only that, but Opera doesn't contain a single line of Cydoor code. The ad module is 100% written by Opera's own developers, and the only thing the ad module does is to download ads. It even sends and receives information from the ad servers in plain text, so anyone can look at what is being transmitted.
But that's not all. Cydoor no longer produce spyware. There is a myth online which never seems to die, and that is that Cydoor are into spyware. They did spy on their users at one point, but not anymore.
Your lies about Opera are, frankly, disgusting. You can even see what Opera writes about this and read exactly what the ad module in Opera actually does. But you don't care about facts, do you?
Gnome+Opera is a great combination, despite Opera using Qt!
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why does gnone insist on have such LARGE icons by default?? the menu bar is HUGE, the icons take up the rest of the desktop. 1024x768++ looks like CRAP to the default desktop because of some need for HUGE default icons, menu bars. Sure you could resize it all....
but there shouldnt be a reason for a default install to make everyting that large.
oh, and GAR is a typo, it actually meant GAY
I don't really believe that. With configure scripts, compiling is really easy. I am very incompetent, but I can compile GNOME from sources (not from GARNOME). Still, I've never managed to create binary packages for any distro (even though I've tried).
*Simply* port the SMP parts? Simply? Do you have *any* idea how many parts of the operating system you have to change to implement SMP?
a "rip of mankind" ? WTF ? Is that where you get the human race to fit into 700MB ?
graspee
+5 Informative for anyone who can either point out links to
1) Precompiled binaries made from a Garnome (if it's not too giant)
2) RPMs that will coexist nicely with Gnome 1.4
3) Instructions on how to get Gnome 2 from the Mandrake cooker (yes, it's there) but avoiding the conflicts with gnome 1.4 (and without removing Gnome 1.4)
Asking the user to require 1.1Gbs of build space seems rather excessive! Even the "206Mbs once installed" seems large
Wonder if the group Pink Martini could be commissioned to whip out a quick and dirty GNOME2 Beta3 theme song. The title seems right up their alley.
RFC2119
Why would I want to package software? Who am I distributing it to?
"...and generally behaved in a manner one can only describe as despicable." - February 27 2001, Michael Sims
I'd like a bergen and soda, please...
The only accurate way I can describe the event of KDE3, Gnome2 and Moz1 all coming out within a month or so of each other is as some sort of "open source orgasm". Sigh.
If you moderate this, you're wasting points.
(sung to the sound of ska sucks, by Propaghandi)
GNOME sucks. GNOME isn't cool you stupid fuck.
Ximian is only in it for the bucks.
And if you don't believe me you're a schmuck.
But the trend will die out with any luck.
Yo Ho. Yo Ho.
Miguel, a message to you Miguel, a message to you Miguel.
Fuck you Miguel!
Seems to me that Nautilus is roughly at the functionality level of old Konqueror 1.0. Any word on when serious progress is going to be made?
Enlightenment is dead! Once herald by the gnome world as the default manager. Now useless and and disgraced Raster who now wanders the streets of Sydney looking for work.....Syd Barrett could do better than Raster
Mandrake, has switch all his computers to xp, decrying that his code was once good. And as for the rest of E crew..well they switch to afterstep after seeing what raster had in mind.
$ cd themes/gnome ../sawfish /usr/share/sawfish/0.30/themes
$ tar zxvf gnome-theme-ball.tar.gz
$ cd
$ tar zxvf sawfish-theme-ball.tar.gz
$ su
# cp *.tar.gz
# exit
$ gnomecc
Then I select the themes I want and off I go. Takes about two minutes. Of course, that's because I've got a collection of my favorite GTK and Sawfish themes (and wallpapers too actually) that I just keep lying around in tarballs for whenever I need them, but I always figured that was a sensible thing to do...
And with that said, GNOME 1.4 by default was a heck of a lot prettier than 1.2; that ugly old default GTK theme just needs to be buried and forgotten. And I don't know what 2.0 will look like by default, but I imagine it won't be too bad.
I wonder if "bonobo-activation-0.9.6.tar.bz2" is anything like Window XP activation. And if it isn't why would they pick such a confusing name?
Are the packages in debian/unstable yet? Which bits do you need to install (and remove) to upgrade to gnome2?
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
I assume he means the wwf wrestler.
When last I tried Gnome, it was slow and
featureless in comparison to KDE3rc3. I'm
quite willing to switch over to Gnome, if
it becomes a better productivity environment,
and consumes less resources, but I'm concerned
that until someone who is willing and able to
leave their dull axes in the closet for a while
can make a comprehensive feature and performance
comparison, both Gnome and KDE users alike will
have little practical choice but to continue in
their current environment.
Therefore, I ask: Can anyone recommend a
reasonably thorough and objective comparison of
Gnome 2 and KDE 3?
-I like my women like I like my tea: green-
It appeared failed to work on recent versions of GNOME I tested with RedHat (7.2) and YDL (2.1). GNOME applications work fine locally as well as with delivering a whole remote desktop through XDM request. But let's consider if I don't need whole remote desktop and all I need is to run just one Gnome application using remote X11. It doesn't work. Some of GNOME application work after some hacking of user profile variables. If Gnome is up on that remote computer.
Gnome may try to catch M$-win and it is wrong plan. The strategy should be not in catching M$ desktop strongest features and not in giving up with desktop in favour of servers. The stategy should be to win M$ users where M$ is the weakest. Network - that's the key. M$ (same as Apple) has been refusing TCP/IP as long as they can. The design of M$ windows traditionally was not networked. Only recently (comparing to X11) M$ started work on VNC. So, let's beat M$ on networked desktop segment!
Seems like obvious strategy. What do we see instead? Gnome wants to refuse X11 and work directly on kernel graphical drivers. That's insane! That's the way to do things from scratch. I understand middleware experiments with CORBA and COM. But what's wrong with X11? Today you refuse X11 server, tomorrow you re-write kernel drivers for GNOME and you bind desktop with the kernel - welcome back to M$-win.
Think more. Do referendum polls among Linux, BSD and other X11 users. But don't be stupid. Unless your decisions are already pre-paid from M$ bank account but I don't want to believe in such nightmare.
Give me something wicked fast and utterly reliable. I run K on two low end PCs and frankly it kind of sucks from a usability perspective given its sluggishness.
Why would I want to package software?
Ahem...
"As well as not breaking your system, and ensuring a uninform install, uninstall / query process for all your software, your work is repeatable for other users and generally other distributions."
Who am I distributing it to?
Besides the abovementioned benefits, if you were a social, community minded sort of fellow (which I suggest from the subject line of your post you are not) then you might wish to help other users of your OS / distribution by distributing source / binary packages.