Not that I'm offering conclusive proof otherwise, but I refer you to the whois entry FWIW. Apparently posting a whois as a comment has too few characters per line so i'm removing the blank domain server lines and also typing this line really long to average it out.
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openlinux.org = [ 131.188.40.90 ]
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Nitpicking perhaps, but you make a good point. What about the guys that sell Debian or BSD CD's for those unfortunate souls who don't have broadband or three days to tie up their phone line for the download? would they be liable for other people's code?
How about products like MySQL which are often sold in installations with support contracts?
But the submitter kind of misses the point of Schneier's rant... he ends with the story of the italian anti-tax-fraud law. The question is not "will software liability kill OSS?" but rather "How do we align the interest of commercial software companies to ensure the security of their products?"
I think implicit in what Schneier says is that simply mandating that software authors be liable for their products isn't going to work, because it will be an inconvenience for those that don't make enough off their products to take that risk, and will cause price increases on commercial software. It's a good point, coming from someone who has rather simply favored such policy in the past, but I don't think he goes far enough in exploring exactly how we ought to go about it.
Chances are they'd hit the mute halfway through a Farscape rerun.
I probably would thank them, especially if it was that episode with the noises and color filters.
It's like when your sister glues your hand to the car because she caught you with the cat
Much like that, yes, except that in the instance of a car chase, it's much less likely that your sister will need therapy or that you will be reported to animal control.
1) Linux isn't ready for the desktop, because it doesn't just work 2) It doesn't just work because vendors don't provide Linux applications/drivers for their hardware 3) Vendors don't provide drivers because nobody uses Linux because... Linux isn't ready for the desktop.
Perhaps I should have said non-free instead of proprietary, the specific implications of one vs. the other are fairly lost on me. Net result, BitKeeper posed some kind of problem IP-wise, and has been replaced.
and yeah, people are worried about GPL3. Would you be eager to liscence your software under a license for which the specific language is not yet known?
Will the issue of using RCSes in the kernel tree ever die down?
It more or less has since they've replaced bitkeeper with git.
Does it really matter?
Well, it probably doesn't matter to you if you arent part of the tree-maintenance heirarchy, since individual developers don't need to use git directly to submit their patches, but the maintainers use them to keep track of who submitted what patches when, when they were merged, if they were tweaked etc. Many maintainers were uncomfortable with BitKeeper because it was a proprietary platform meaning that they could go out of buiness, revoke linus's liscence, or any number of other things could go wrong. That's exactly what happened and so git was created to replace it.
using some kind of RCS/SCM solution is absolutely critical in a project as large as the linux kernel, if for no reason other than to have a history of where stuff came from. If they'd been using something from the get-go it would be a lot harder for SCO to make the claims that they have.
What's so hilarious about this response? Hawkins is a businessman first, always has been, and I don't doubt that all of his decisions are made in light of the bottom line with no "personal feelings" attached whatsoever (okay, maybe aside from the 3DO). But if the article misquotes him, he should have every right to respond to correct that. As for his "committment to quality" EA does have a lot of award winning games, but great things can be accomplished when you treat your labor pool like slaves, just look at the pyramids.
Audacity being the one major exception that I can think of where a FOSS pro-grade audio app will run on windows, Audacity also has a weakness on the linux platform that the other FOSS Linux-only tools don't have: compatibility with the Jack Audio Connection Kit.
Jack also runs on OSX but for some reason beyond my research/understanding does not run on windows. Jack allows you to route audio and midi data through virtual channels between other jack compatible clients, making it an extremely powerful audio environment. Rosegarden and Ardour, the two most critical apps to doing pro-audio on linux, are generally dependant on jack (rosegarden will do midi-only without jack) and therefore Linux (or OSX) would be required to use either of these (very powerful and professional) tools.
Pedantry aside, I'd like to see anyone other than microsoft or nintendo make this game because... this game sorta has to be playable from your rig. It's the nature of the game.
Wait a minute... if they had the "smoking gun" documents already, why would it matter if he shredded his copies? If they did not have the "smoking gun" documents, how do they know they even exist? If they knew they existed, wouldn't that have allowed them to make copies?
I think you are hitting a key point here which the rest of the "it's not that big of a deal" crew is missing.
Think Framer intent. They honestly wanted us to be free to criticize the government both publicly and privately. This is a concept which is steadily losing ground thanks to "the war on terror" and really was already going by the wayside as early as the first wiretapping provisions.
If the shredder metaphor holds (which it doesn't as I'll soon show) then you are assuming without any evidence to base the assumtion on, that the shredded document was in fact incriminating. People shred all kinds of innocent , but, say for the sake of identity theft or a host of other reasons, potentially damaging, documents. A pile of shredded paper does not, as grandparent implies, constitute an attempt to cover up anything, until said documents are reassembled and demonstrated to represent such an act. Any interpretation of US law that suggests that "because it might be wrongdoing, it is wrongdoing" is a downright travesty..
Further, the fact that encryption software of some kind is defacto installed on every modern OS, and as components of most major software packages, is another reason the presence of it implies no guilt. If every office came with a shredder...
The real kicker for me is that the only way to refute the implicit assumption of guilt is to turn over your keys and expose the hidden data. What if these were unpatented trade secrets which then some member of the courtroom decided to patent on their own? What if they were secretive cries for the dismantling of the federal system? Any cry for some political cause which is unpopular with the majority of jurors will surely set back the defence, whilst having no practical bearing on the case at hand.
Now the thing about a document shredder is, if it does its job, the document is unrecoverable, including by the shredder and not just the prosecution, or officers of the court. Encryption software, on the other hand, allows the keyholder to decrypt the information therein, so it is not by any concievable stretch of the imagination destroyed, only hidden. for which, in a free state, there are innumerable reasons to do so for any type of document, depending of course on your level of trust of those around you, including any law-enforcement which has jurisdiction over you.
The only reason I could see this being admissible evidence is if the defence pleads insanity, and then only if the prosecution is capable of proving beyond a reaonable doubt that the encrypted materials in fact are evidence in the case that the defendant was trying to hide. it's much easier to prove that an unencrypted document matches an encrypted one than trying to unencrypt a document without having any clue what the content might be.
You might want to give the torque (tribes2) engine a try, as it supports large environments, unmodified up to about 128 simultaneous players, has decent physics and is more mature in a lot of ways than anything in the F/OSS realm. and at $100 per developer seat, the cost of entry is really not that high.
But I was thinking of this as a WORLD-WIDE phenomenon.
as a "world wide phenomenon", this judgement really harms U.S. citizens (with the exception of the patent holder of course.) Observe:
U.S. kids will not be able to buy the toys they want
The tax revenue from the sales of these toys will not be going to state governments.
SCEA (sony computer entertainment america) may have to cut jobs because of lost revenue. you can bet they aren't going to be cutting cheaper japanese jobs.
How can you tell in the MS office suite? The whole thing's got so many sliding panels, animated dogs saying "it looks like you're trying to get some work done." and other crap too numerous to list... I can't imagine one more toolbar being noticable.
"they're more advanced than the PowerMac kits [Microsoft] has given us [for Xenon] - they're still prototypes, but they're closer to what'll be in the final console... The graphics chip isn't there, say, but we can get a pretty good idea by taking an NVIDIA 6800 and saying, okay, it'll be like this but faster."
This seems a far cry from what Sony was promising us just after the release of the PS2... I can't seem to find the old press release but i remember them talking about integrating some kind of organic or biomechanical components into the processor and that the spare cycles from net-connected PS3's not in use would be available as some kind of grid computing enhancement. Way to deliver, Sony!!!
Just hope they'll discontinnue the Pentium 4 series.
Hope in one hand and crap in the other... see which one fills faster. These chips are still too hot and eat too much power for use in laptops, so I'm sure the p4/pM series will hold out for a few years, especially since traditional desktop pc sales are dropping while portables are on the rise.
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How about products like MySQL which are often sold in installations with support contracts?
But the submitter kind of misses the point of Schneier's rant... he ends with the story of the italian anti-tax-fraud law. The question is not "will software liability kill OSS?" but rather "How do we align the interest of commercial software companies to ensure the security of their products?"
I think implicit in what Schneier says is that simply mandating that software authors be liable for their products isn't going to work, because it will be an inconvenience for those that don't make enough off their products to take that risk, and will cause price increases on commercial software. It's a good point, coming from someone who has rather simply favored such policy in the past, but I don't think he goes far enough in exploring exactly how we ought to go about it.
You're neglecting to consider the fact that flash sucks.
it's tough to show you what this looks like in a browser, when i'm plainly viewing it... WITH A BROWSER?
wtf?
Chances are they'd hit the mute halfway through a Farscape rerun. I probably would thank them, especially if it was that episode with the noises and color filters.
Does this story bug anyone else? Is that my karma I smell burning?
On Slashdot, tired joke tells you!
It's like when your sister glues your hand to the car because she caught you with the cat Much like that, yes, except that in the instance of a car chase, it's much less likely that your sister will need therapy or that you will be reported to animal control.
Let's see if I follow your logic here:
1) Linux isn't ready for the desktop, because it doesn't just work
2) It doesn't just work because vendors don't provide Linux applications/drivers for their hardware
3) Vendors don't provide drivers because nobody uses Linux because... Linux isn't ready for the desktop.
Mmmm-Hmmm. Seems about right to me.
Perhaps I should have said non-free instead of proprietary, the specific implications of one vs. the other are fairly lost on me. Net result, BitKeeper posed some kind of problem IP-wise, and has been replaced.
and yeah, people are worried about GPL3. Would you be eager to liscence your software under a license for which the specific language is not yet known?
Will the issue of using RCSes in the kernel tree ever die down?
It more or less has since they've replaced bitkeeper with git.
Does it really matter?
Well, it probably doesn't matter to you if you arent part of the tree-maintenance heirarchy, since individual developers don't need to use git directly to submit their patches, but the maintainers use them to keep track of who submitted what patches when, when they were merged, if they were tweaked etc. Many maintainers were uncomfortable with BitKeeper because it was a proprietary platform meaning that they could go out of buiness, revoke linus's liscence, or any number of other things could go wrong. That's exactly what happened and so git was created to replace it.
using some kind of RCS/SCM solution is absolutely critical in a project as large as the linux kernel, if for no reason other than to have a history of where stuff came from. If they'd been using something from the get-go it would be a lot harder for SCO to make the claims that they have.
What's so hilarious about this response? Hawkins is a businessman first, always has been, and I don't doubt that all of his decisions are made in light of the bottom line with no "personal feelings" attached whatsoever (okay, maybe aside from the 3DO). But if the article misquotes him, he should have every right to respond to correct that. As for his "committment to quality" EA does have a lot of award winning games, but great things can be accomplished when you treat your labor pool like slaves, just look at the pyramids.
Audacity being the one major exception that I can think of where a FOSS pro-grade audio app will run on windows, Audacity also has a weakness on the linux platform that the other FOSS Linux-only tools don't have: compatibility with the Jack Audio Connection Kit.
Jack also runs on OSX but for some reason beyond my research/understanding does not run on windows. Jack allows you to route audio and midi data through virtual channels between other jack compatible clients, making it an extremely powerful audio environment. Rosegarden and Ardour, the two most critical apps to doing pro-audio on linux, are generally dependant on jack (rosegarden will do midi-only without jack) and therefore Linux (or OSX) would be required to use either of these (very powerful and professional) tools.
that clarify things?
Sure, he's a tap on the verbose side, but maybe using the occasional reference book isn't such a bad idea.
I have two words for you: Shadowrun MMOG
That's five words! ;)
Pedantry aside, I'd like to see anyone other than microsoft or nintendo make this game because... this game sorta has to be playable from your rig. It's the nature of the game.
Wait a minute... if they had the "smoking gun" documents already, why would it matter if he shredded his copies? If they did not have the "smoking gun" documents, how do they know they even exist? If they knew they existed, wouldn't that have allowed them to make copies?
I think you are hitting a key point here which the rest of the "it's not that big of a deal" crew is missing.
Think Framer intent. They honestly wanted us to be free to criticize the government both publicly and privately. This is a concept which is steadily losing ground thanks to "the war on terror" and really was already going by the wayside as early as the first wiretapping provisions.
If the shredder metaphor holds (which it doesn't as I'll soon show) then you are assuming without any evidence to base the assumtion on, that the shredded document was in fact incriminating. People shred all kinds of innocent , but, say for the sake of identity theft or a host of other reasons, potentially damaging, documents. A pile of shredded paper does not, as grandparent implies, constitute an attempt to cover up anything, until said documents are reassembled and demonstrated to represent such an act. Any interpretation of US law that suggests that "because it might be wrongdoing, it is wrongdoing" is a downright travesty..
Further, the fact that encryption software of some kind is defacto installed on every modern OS, and as components of most major software packages, is another reason the presence of it implies no guilt. If every office came with a shredder...
The real kicker for me is that the only way to refute the implicit assumption of guilt is to turn over your keys and expose the hidden data. What if these were unpatented trade secrets which then some member of the courtroom decided to patent on their own? What if they were secretive cries for the dismantling of the federal system? Any cry for some political cause which is unpopular with the majority of jurors will surely set back the defence, whilst having no practical bearing on the case at hand.
Now the thing about a document shredder is, if it does its job, the document is unrecoverable, including by the shredder and not just the prosecution, or officers of the court. Encryption software, on the other hand, allows the keyholder to decrypt the information therein, so it is not by any concievable stretch of the imagination destroyed, only hidden. for which, in a free state, there are innumerable reasons to do so for any type of document, depending of course on your level of trust of those around you, including any law-enforcement which has jurisdiction over you.
The only reason I could see this being admissible evidence is if the defence pleads insanity, and then only if the prosecution is capable of proving beyond a reaonable doubt that the encrypted materials in fact are evidence in the case that the defendant was trying to hide. it's much easier to prove that an unencrypted document matches an encrypted one than trying to unencrypt a document without having any clue what the content might be.
You might want to give the torque (tribes2) engine a try, as it supports large environments, unmodified up to about 128 simultaneous players, has decent physics and is more mature in a lot of ways than anything in the F/OSS realm. and at $100 per developer seat, the cost of entry is really not that high.
will they make a spray and hire a model whos nose attracts birds?
Spray-on Unix substitute? You, dear fellow, are genius embodied.
So, in some ways, you could say "Linux is a UNIX clone". In the same ways, you could say "Margarine is a Butter clone".
So maybe we should be saying "I can't believe it's not UNIX!"
as a "world wide phenomenon", this judgement really harms U.S. citizens (with the exception of the patent holder of course.) Observe:
Any questions?
Yeah, I can really see how the American court system granting judgement to an American company against a Japanese one really sticks it to the E.U.
an AC bitching about trolling? HA!
How can you tell in the MS office suite? The whole thing's got so many sliding panels, animated dogs saying "it looks like you're trying to get some work done." and other crap too numerous to list... I can't imagine one more toolbar being noticable.
from TFA:
"they're more advanced than the PowerMac kits [Microsoft] has given us [for Xenon] - they're still prototypes, but they're closer to what'll be in the final console... The graphics chip isn't there, say, but we can get a pretty good idea by taking an NVIDIA 6800 and saying, okay, it'll be like this but faster."
This seems a far cry from what Sony was promising us just after the release of the PS2... I can't seem to find the old press release but i remember them talking about integrating some kind of organic or biomechanical components into the processor and that the spare cycles from net-connected PS3's not in use would be available as some kind of grid computing enhancement. Way to deliver, Sony!!!
Just hope they'll discontinnue the Pentium 4 series.
Hope in one hand and crap in the other... see which one fills faster. These chips are still too hot and eat too much power for use in laptops, so I'm sure the p4/pM series will hold out for a few years, especially since traditional desktop pc sales are dropping while portables are on the rise.