OK, so I sit here and read many postings about why OSS Java would be a "good thing", and then I run across something like this.
I have to say, the uproar over this doesn't make any of the "oh, it'll be fine" arguments that pro-OSS Java folks have been throwing around sound all that great.
I mean, if the Linux kernel itself has this happening to it, what sort of chance does Java have from preventing it, if it goes OSS?
Ken Lay? Well, if you're going after all the corporate fraud that occurred during the 1990's an created the "great economy" that all turned out to be built on lies after it fell to pieces starting in March 2000, you better damn well have your ducks in a row before trying to nail the guy. Here's an article about just that.
Personally, I hope they take their time and nail this guy to the wall.
By this logic, then, when someone at work steals one of your ideas and makes it their own, you shouldn't complain about it. After all, nothing physical was stolen. You lost nothing. It was just an idea.
I agree with you, and if you're married, it's even worse. There are a lot of people in Washington that would put you in the rich category and raise your taxes to boot too.
They should change the election to the Tuesday after Tax Day.
I've worked both for Universities and in the "real world".
Benefits?
1) Lots of vacation, generally around 20 to 25 days a year, plus holidays, and around 21 sick days. (This of course varies from place to place).
2) Depending on the position you hold, you'll have very flexible hours. If it's not an IT position (mine haven't been), you get a lot of choice on when you get in, and when you can leave. (Of course, this depends on the boss you have).
3) It's pretty laid back, and usually the only pressure comes when funding gets low, or there's some big demo.
4) If you work on campus, generally the places you can go for food are pretty decent.
5) Pay isn't that bad, depending on the position. Many people have said that the pay is lower, but I've never had a problem with getting relatively high pay. I'm probably one of the lucky ones. Pay increases do tend to be low, and there's never a bonus, so get hired at a high salary; don't expect it to increase that much.
6) You'll be able to take classes at a discount, and if you have kids at go to school there, you'll get a big discount.
7) Unless you work at a pretty cool place in the business world, you'll probably have more gadgets and "toys" to play with in academia (again, this varies with position).
8) College towns have pretty good sporting events and concerts that come to town. Take advantage of those.
Negatives:
1) If you don't have anything above a BS degree, they won't take you seriously when it comes time to putting people in charge of things. I don't care if you're the tops in your field at whatever you do, if it's a choice between someone with a BS with tons of experience and a PHD with no experience in that field, they'll go with the PHD. I've seen this many times.
2) Politics. Several people have mentioned that already. I'm not sure what else I can say, other than imagine the worse politics you can think of (probably marketing vs. engineering), and it's like 10x worse than that. At least with marketing vs. engineering you knew where it was coming from; in an academic environment, you'll constantly have to be on the lookout.
As far as "real world politics": If you're a conservative, learn to bite your tongue. If they figure this out, some (not all!) people *will* retaliate against you just for being a conservative, and no other reason than that. If you're a liberal, there will be many people that agree with your views, so you're probably ok.
3) You'll be used as a step for someone else's career. I've seen very little promotion from within Universities, mainly because the people doing the promoting don't see what benefit it is to THEM. A project that's done will in business might get your promoted at your next review; you might not even get reviews in academia, at least none that lead to a promotion.
4) Parking. You will probably have to pay to park on campus. Some universities charge a LOT of money to park there each month. Plus the waiting lists for parking lots can be long. Like three years long.
5) If you work for an academic department (again, probably not IT), and you write something that will be published, your boss *will* also put their name on it, whether or not they actually wrote anything in it. This seems to be standard operating procedure. Unfair, yes; anything you can do about it, probably not.
Could go either way:
1) Office space. This is always at a premium. Some of my best offices and some of my worst have been a universities. Mine have all been better than in business though.... never had to work in a cube since that time.
Only indicator of a woman's success? That's freaking stupid. Have you ever even had a job in the midwest? Have you ever even been to the midwest? There are plenty of successful women at regular jobs and at start-ups here.
Freakin' "big city" types think it's the right coast and left coast, and nothing in between. Damn moron.
I'm able to undersell them (fun for me!) and get a pile of money (more fun still!), and since I have absolutely nothing to do with it.. I've hit a wall.
There are TONS of jobs out there. Pick up the paper, go to hotjobs or Monster. You might not like the computer jobs ("ew, I'd never do THAT!", but they're there. STFU and take a job if you need one, look for one that looks better in the mean time, and quit skimming off everyone that DOES pay their taxes, you jerk.
Anyone who said they "support tax cuts for the rich" before is a liar. Anyone that supported it wouldn't have called it that, and knows better than to call it that now.
Your stats are way way off btw; you're reading too much left wing propaganda.
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OK, so I sit here and read many postings about why OSS Java would be a "good thing", and then I run across something like this.
I have to say, the uproar over this doesn't make any of the "oh, it'll be fine" arguments that pro-OSS Java folks have been throwing around sound all that great.
I mean, if the Linux kernel itself has this happening to it, what sort of chance does Java have from preventing it, if it goes OSS?
You're wrong. Copyright infringement is theft. Just because YOU don't believe that copyrights should be enforced, doesn't mean that it's not theft.
Personally, I hope they take their time and nail this guy to the wall.
Marc Andreessen isn't too happy.
By this logic, then, when someone at work steals one of your ideas and makes it their own, you shouldn't complain about it. After all, nothing physical was stolen. You lost nothing. It was just an idea.
From RMS: "If you develop a Java program on Sun's Java platform, you are liable to use Sun-only features without even noticing."
Does anyone have a clue what he's talking about? The "com.sun.*" libraries? How could you use those without noticing?
Doesn't sound like this guy has ever programmed in Java.
Man, you got this dead on right. I wish I had some mod points to mod this up right now.
Java's been successful, and not "free" under RMS's definition. That's obviously driving him nuts.
How about that Linux system Sun just started distributing via Walmart?
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http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7623815135.h
that proof enough?
Java's been doing fine for nine years now; it's not like OSS is the magical thing that'll make .NET go away just because Java would go to OSS.
Uh...all wrong. Lynch had nothing to do with Joy leaving.
Man, the people that you work with must really suck if that's true.
It's no harder than installing a plugin like RealAudio or Flash....
I agree with you, and if you're married, it's even worse. There are a lot of people in Washington that would put you in the rich category and raise your taxes to boot too.
They should change the election to the Tuesday after Tax Day.
Check the rebates. At least one of those copies should be free. Got my rebate check back on mine last week.
Myth.
I've worked both for Universities and in the "real world".
Benefits?
1) Lots of vacation, generally around 20 to 25 days a year, plus holidays, and around 21 sick days. (This of course varies from place to place).
2) Depending on the position you hold, you'll have very flexible hours. If it's not an IT position (mine haven't been), you get a lot of choice on when you get in, and when you can leave. (Of course, this depends on the boss you have).
3) It's pretty laid back, and usually the only pressure comes when funding gets low, or there's some big demo.
4) If you work on campus, generally the places you can go for food are pretty decent.
5) Pay isn't that bad, depending on the position. Many people have said that the pay is lower, but I've never had a problem with getting relatively high pay. I'm probably one of the lucky ones. Pay increases do tend to be low, and there's never a bonus, so get hired at a high salary; don't expect it to increase that much.
6) You'll be able to take classes at a discount, and if you have kids at go to school there, you'll get a big discount.
7) Unless you work at a pretty cool place in the business world, you'll probably have more gadgets and "toys" to play with in academia (again, this varies with position).
8) College towns have pretty good sporting events and concerts that come to town. Take advantage of those.
Negatives:
1) If you don't have anything above a BS degree, they won't take you seriously when it comes time to putting people in charge of things. I don't care if you're the tops in your field at whatever you do, if it's a choice between someone with a BS with tons of experience and a PHD with no experience in that field, they'll go with the PHD.
I've seen this many times.
2) Politics. Several people have mentioned that already. I'm not sure what else I can say, other than imagine the worse politics you can think of (probably marketing vs. engineering), and it's like 10x worse than that. At least with marketing vs. engineering you knew where it was coming from; in an academic environment, you'll constantly have to be on the lookout.
As far as "real world politics": If you're a conservative, learn to bite your tongue. If they figure this out, some (not all!) people *will* retaliate against you just for being a conservative, and no other reason than that. If you're a liberal, there will be many people that agree with your views, so you're probably ok.
3) You'll be used as a step for someone else's career. I've seen very little promotion from within Universities, mainly because the people doing the promoting don't see what benefit it is to THEM. A project that's done will in business might get your promoted at your next review; you might not even get reviews in academia, at least none that lead to a promotion.
4) Parking. You will probably have to pay to park on campus. Some universities charge a LOT of money to park there each month. Plus the waiting lists for parking lots can be long. Like three years long.
5) If you work for an academic department (again, probably not IT), and you write something that will be published, your boss *will* also put their name on it, whether or not they actually wrote anything in it. This seems to be standard operating procedure. Unfair, yes; anything you can do about it, probably not.
Could go either way:
1) Office space. This is always at a premium. Some of my best offices and some of my worst have been a universities. Mine have all been better than in business though.... never had to work in a cube since that time.
So, what do you use to mainline your liberal propaganda? The NyTimes, CBS, or that new liberal radio network?
Only indicator of a woman's success? That's freaking stupid. Have you ever even had a job in the midwest? Have you ever even been to the midwest? There are plenty of successful women at regular jobs and at start-ups here.
Freakin' "big city" types think it's the right coast and left coast, and nothing in between. Damn moron.
A reporter not checking facts? I'm shocked I tell you!
Next thing you know, you'll be telling me that someone on slashdot did the same thing!
That's exactly why I quit SWG.
Just be sure and stay there once the people that are brave enough to stay and fight are done. :-)
There are TONS of jobs out there. Pick up the paper, go to hotjobs or Monster. You might not like the computer jobs ("ew, I'd never do THAT!", but they're there. STFU and take a job if you need one, look for one that looks better in the mean time, and quit skimming off everyone that DOES pay their taxes, you jerk.
Anyone who said they "support tax cuts for the rich" before is a liar. Anyone that supported it wouldn't have called it that, and knows better than to call it that now.
Your stats are way way off btw; you're reading too much left wing propaganda.
Ah, the hate flows freely from you, doesn't it.
Millions of people in Iraq and Afganistan are happy to be rid of the Taliban and Hussein (and his sons).
If it were up to you, the rape rooms, torture chambers would be up in Iraq, and the Taliban would still be destroying ancient artifacts.
And don't even get me started about what they're doing to their women over there.
People like you make me sick.
Dish charges $6 for local channels. I'd say $1 back for dropping a channel is fair.
local dish network prices