Television, movies, video games and music are here to stay, and will continue to be influential in shaping the opinions and behavior of our children for years to come. In the face of an industry that targets our children with harmful products, we parents must be willing to assert our power as consumers and take back our authority over what our children see and hear in our own homes. -- Hillary Clinton
Apparently you missed your talking points memo from the great liberal conspiracy. Check your e-mail before you post.
All I know about Bush is I had a job when Clinton was president.
If that's all you know, then you're an idiot. I had a lot more money in my 401K before it started to tank in March of 2000. Thank God it's through the roof now that Bush has turned the economy around.
If you think electing Kerry is gonna get you a job, man, you better get used to eating Mac & Cheese because he'll tank the economy for sure.
ok....so he's been at it for three years, going on four now.
The point the first poster was trying to make is be wary of folks that are called "experts" on topics like this.
Academia has a strange way of annoiting people with "expert" titles for things. You'd be shocked how many of these so called "experts" are bluffing their way through. I'm not saying their ALL like that, but seriously, there are a lot. I mean really, look at the guy they refer to. He's been at it for THREE YEARS. There are other people that have been at this for much longer, who are likely more worthy of the title "expert".
Those of you with jobs at universities will know what I'm talking about.
Actually GCC is a good example of why Java shouldn't go this route. Look at all the binary compatibility issues from the 2.96 compilers to the latest and greatest. Caused us all kinds of problems.
I'm not getting something. When you say "but are without the freedom that would make them quality as Free Software"....what does that buy you? And how is "this putting the user's freedom at risk"?
I'm free to develop whatever Java software I wish. They're improving it like crazy, with the help of tons of pretty smart people (look at Doug Lea's working group's contribution in the latest JDK).
Maybe I'm not getting something here, but it sounds like people just want it to be open source so it can be open source. I'm not seeing what the benefit would be.
It's not Java's fault that it's taught as a procedural language. It's the teacher's fault for teaching it that way. They shouldn't be using it as an intro course.
You're right on the rest it though. Teach something else first, teach Java for the OO course and more advanced stuff later.
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They missed a good one: explain the bug to someone.
If you start explaining the bug to someone, there's a good chance in mid-explanation you'll realize a solution to the problem.
Some school (can't remember which) had a Teddy Bear in their programming consulting office... There was a sign. "Explain it to the bear first, before you talk to a human". Silly as it sounds, people would do it, and a large portion of the time they'd never actually have to consult the staff... by explaining it to the bear, they solved the problem.
This is one of the best question/answer postings in quite a while.
I really loved how the leading questions, particularly the "Quality of Life" one, were they answered with "Yeah, we're doing great!", instead of the "Help, help! I'm being repressed!" answer that the questioner expected.
These guys might get lower salarys than we do in the states, but they're doing fine. Same thing in the US, there are programmers all over the country working what would be considered "slave wages" if they lived in California, yet they're doing just fine, thank you very much.
Do I think the Indian programmers should get paid more? Hell yes, I do.... but even given that, from the answers that were given here, these folks aren't hurting.
As for the question posed: Where is the government going to get the money?
Well, it'll come in taxes. And it'll suck just as much as it does here.
Face it guys, the people doing the IT work over there are getting paid pretty well. I'm sure there are examples of being underpaid, even by their standards, but then again, we have that here too.
I particularly applaud that guy that built the homes in his village, was able to hire people because he had money, and how it contributed to their economy. THEY GET HOW IT WORKS! I wish more people here in the states did.
This letter looks more like a bitch-fest than a serious open letter.
Anyone can implement their own version of Java. The spec is right out there. I encourage ESR to put his money where is mouth is, and do his own implementation if he's that concerned about it.
J2EE is doing great. Jini has a strong community behind it, and companies are using it.
If he's that concerned, he should quit trying to muscle companies into doing what he wants, get millions of dollars together, and then give it to programmers to do his bidding.
You know, if marketing would just STFU until there was a good solid date for a game, and not one that they pulled out of thin air, there wouldn't be nearly the number of problems there are.
Sure, there are engineering slips, but the majority of those are because marketing (or worse, engineering management) gave the CEO a date he WANTED to hear, not the date he NEEDED to hear.
Engineering slips because the date was unrealistic, marketing points the finger, and never gets the blame.
You hit the beard/mustache thing on the head. I saw a guy go into a company, got promoted to management very quickly, and then people found out he was one of the youngest members of the staff. I saw a picture of him without the beard, and he looked like a kid.
Pretty decent manager though.... far better than the other ones around there.
RFID tags are cool and all, and I think they're destined to have a lot of great apps, but this is NOT one of them.
Never mind the privacy concerns, lots of people will take up that charge. Stores will end up doing custom pricing with this. Wouldn't be hard to say, "Hey, this guy bought a big screen TV last time... when he checks this price, it'll be full retail". Of course, they might offer a discount at times, but I seriously doubt it.
Another thing, the last thing I want to do is to have to chase down a salesperson to find an item just because they're glad-handing a previous customer. Worse, I don't want salespeople slithering up and acting like a best friend just because they happen to have your info.
When the Bush administration decided to treat the White House like a football stadium and sell the naming rights to Halliburton.
The old Halliburton fantasy... never gets old for you, does it?
It's not like Halliburton wasn't getting contracts like that while Clinton and Gore were in office.
It was during the Clinton administration, that Pentagon issued a temporary no-bid contract to a subsidary of Halliburton to continue its work in the Balkans.
This crap has been going on for a long time, and it's not this adminstrations fault, as much as you'd like to lay the blame there.
So... basically, by taking things out of context, you're just promoting your little agenda. Don't let facts like the links above get in your way. Don't be upset when other people point out what you're saying is pure crapola either.
Amazon.com isn't a good metric to go by for many reasons, mostly because the candidates didn't start excepting contributions at the same time. For a better idea of what's going on contribution wise, you should check here.
The dot com analogy is a lot closer to reality when you think about it.
Immense hype, mostly from the Internet. Lots of word of mouth. High expectations. Time goes by... nothing happens. Lots of "wait, just wait for it...". Top guy asks troops for salary freeze. Layoffs. Reorganize. Slow painful demise.
That not only describes what happened to Howard Dean's campaign; it describes many of the dot coms that went bust in the 90s.
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Regular TiVo kicks the crap out of the at DirecTiVo.. I'd rather go with that.
Why not talk to the parents, make suggestions and let them handle it? You might mean well, but it's not your kid.
Apparently you missed your talking points memo from the great liberal conspiracy. Check your e-mail before you post.
If that's all you know, then you're an idiot. I had a lot more money in my 401K before it started to tank in March of 2000. Thank God it's through the roof now that Bush has turned the economy around.
If you think electing Kerry is gonna get you a job, man, you better get used to eating Mac & Cheese because he'll tank the economy for sure.
Whether you like Bush or not isn't really relevant either, now is it?
Cisco uses Jini for some of it's products/projects (notably, Spanish Inquistion), as do other companies.
ok....so he's been at it for three years, going on four now.
The point the first poster was trying to make is be wary of folks that are called "experts" on topics like this.
Academia has a strange way of annoiting people with "expert" titles for things. You'd be shocked how many of these so called "experts" are bluffing their way through. I'm not saying their ALL like that, but seriously, there are a lot. I mean really, look at the guy they refer to. He's been at it for THREE YEARS. There are other people that have been at this for much longer, who are likely more worthy of the title "expert".
Those of you with jobs at universities will know what I'm talking about.
Oh it'd happen.... in fact, it already has, and Java was licensed! That's one of the reason why Sun brought the suit against Microsoft.
Actually GCC is a good example of why Java shouldn't go this route. Look at all the binary compatibility issues from the 2.96 compilers to the latest and greatest. Caused us all kinds of problems.
I'm not getting something. When you say "but are without the freedom that would make them quality as Free Software" ....what does that buy you? And how is "this putting the user's freedom at risk"?
I'm free to develop whatever Java software I wish. They're improving it like crazy, with the help of tons of pretty smart people (look at Doug Lea's working group's contribution in the latest JDK).
Maybe I'm not getting something here, but it sounds like people just want it to be open source so it can be open source. I'm not seeing what the benefit would be.
It's not Java's fault that it's taught as a procedural language. It's the teacher's fault for teaching it that way. They shouldn't be using it as an intro course.
You're right on the rest it though. Teach something else first, teach Java for the OO course and more advanced stuff later.
They missed a good one: explain the bug to someone.
If you start explaining the bug to someone, there's a good chance in mid-explanation you'll realize a solution to the problem.
Some school (can't remember which) had a Teddy Bear in their programming consulting office... There was a sign. "Explain it to the bear first, before you talk to a human". Silly as it sounds, people would do it, and a large portion of the time they'd never actually have to consult the staff... by explaining it to the bear, they solved the problem.
Weird, but true.
And with Kerry screwing an intern, and his special interest buddies like the Teamsters promised there would be drilling in Anwar (scroll down, he promised James Hoffa this. It as on TV two nights ago), lobbying for contractors that make illegal contributions... you'd get both!
Woo hoo!
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JunkScience.com said of these guys: "It's more like the Union of Concerned Lawyers."
This guys are FAR from independent.
"you're higher"
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Heh...Freudian slip....should have been "you're hired".
Tell The Truth.
There have been enough layoffs in this industry over the last twenty years, that people understand that, and it's nothing to hide.
If you don't tell the truth, and they find that out before you're higher, you will NOT get the job.
So, why doesn't this guy transfer the number to a new provider, and then sell it? It'd be out of Verizon's hands then.
This is one of the best question/answer postings in quite a while.
I really loved how the leading questions, particularly the "Quality of Life" one, were they answered with "Yeah, we're doing great!", instead of the "Help, help! I'm being repressed!" answer that the questioner expected.
These guys might get lower salarys than we do in the states, but they're doing fine. Same thing in the US, there are programmers all over the country working what would be considered "slave wages" if they lived in California, yet they're doing just fine, thank you very much.
Do I think the Indian programmers should get paid more? Hell yes, I do.... but even given that, from the answers that were given here, these folks aren't hurting.
As for the question posed: Where is the government going to get the money?
Well, it'll come in taxes. And it'll suck just as much as it does here.
Face it guys, the people doing the IT work over there are getting paid pretty well. I'm sure there are examples of being underpaid, even by their standards, but then again, we have that here too.
I particularly applaud that guy that built the homes in his village, was able to hire people because he had money, and how it contributed to their economy. THEY GET HOW IT WORKS! I wish more people here in the states did.
Again, GREAT POST!
This letter looks more like a bitch-fest than a serious open letter.
Anyone can implement their own version of Java. The spec is right out there. I encourage ESR to put his money where is mouth is, and do his own implementation if he's that concerned about it.
J2EE is doing great. Jini has a strong community behind it, and companies are using it.
If he's that concerned, he should quit trying to muscle companies into doing what he wants, get millions of dollars together, and then give it to programmers to do his bidding.
You know, if marketing would just STFU until there was a good solid date for a game, and not one that they pulled out of thin air, there wouldn't be nearly the number of problems there are.
Sure, there are engineering slips, but the majority of those are because marketing (or worse, engineering management) gave the CEO a date he WANTED to hear, not the date he NEEDED to hear.
Engineering slips because the date was unrealistic, marketing points the finger, and never gets the blame.
You hit the beard/mustache thing on the head. I saw a guy go into a company, got promoted to management very quickly, and then people found out he was one of the youngest members of the staff. I saw a picture of him without the beard, and he looked like a kid.
Pretty decent manager though.... far better than the other ones around there.
RFID tags are cool and all, and I think they're destined to have a lot of great apps, but this is NOT one of them.
Never mind the privacy concerns, lots of people will take up that charge. Stores will end up doing custom pricing with this. Wouldn't be hard to say, "Hey, this guy bought a big screen TV last time... when he checks this price, it'll be full retail". Of course, they might offer a discount at times, but I seriously doubt it.
Another thing, the last thing I want to do is to have to chase down a salesperson to find an item just because they're glad-handing a previous customer. Worse, I don't want salespeople slithering up and acting like a best friend just because they happen to have your info.
It's not like Halliburton wasn't getting contracts like that while Clinton and Gore were in office.
It was during the Clinton administration, that Pentagon issued a temporary no-bid contract to a subsidary of Halliburton to continue its work in the Balkans.
You can look it up at the NY Times, or check out the story here.
This crap has been going on for a long time, and it's not this adminstrations fault, as much as you'd like to lay the blame there.
So... basically, by taking things out of context, you're just promoting your little agenda. Don't let facts like the links above get in your way. Don't be upset when other people point out what you're saying is pure crapola either.
Amazon.com isn't a good metric to go by for many reasons, mostly because the candidates didn't start excepting contributions at the same time. For a better idea of what's going on contribution wise, you should check here.
The dot com analogy is a lot closer to reality when you think about it.
Immense hype, mostly from the Internet. Lots of word of mouth. High expectations. Time goes by... nothing happens. Lots of "wait, just wait for it...". Top guy asks troops for salary freeze. Layoffs. Reorganize. Slow painful demise.
That not only describes what happened to Howard Dean's campaign; it describes many of the dot coms that went bust in the 90s.