I agree that it is a cool visualization. I do think it's noteworthy to mention that the data was reverse-engineered from resumes, so the relationships all have the bias of what individuals _think_ will matter to hiring committee or want to be hired to do, vs what actual skills they possess.
When did the right panel get subsumed by ads? Had this been happening for long and I just hadn't noticed? I checked out the site in chrome to see the site without scripts, and holy smokes has it gotten bad.
I would not frequent this site if the normal experience was accompanied by a trojan condom video ad (among several others) on loop.
Do you actually know what autocomplete is? It has nothing to do with _understanding_ code. I bet you intended a more nuanced criticism but didn't have an autocomplete for the enumerated benefits so you just went with the first one. I'll try an organize my arguments better so that it matches your expected responses, improve my skill.
if you guys would quit stripping down to show off your e-peens you've grown by not needing an IDE to develop, you might not get such a chill at a dissenting opinion.
I just can't fathom how anyone who has used IDEs with auto-complete, syntax error highlighting, method arguments and types displayed inline, following methods by jumping between files, step-through debugging, automatic compilling, etc. could ever go back to plain old text editor coding. That "hand holding" is fantastic, and to me _is_ the most important thing. The amount of time and mental energy wasted doing the busy work of orchestrating a project and fixing minor bugs that could be immediately seen or quickly tracked down by hand can make some coding not worth the effort.
It does give me a kick though, to come to/. and hearing the crufties bitch about advanced tools. I hypothesize that you guys developed a command line fetish while watching the scrolling text of gentoo to recompiles and can't get jollies without it. I really can't explain the fascination otherwise.
You make a good point, but I think Microsoft and its supporters have learned the hard way to not take themselves so seriously, for the betterment of all. There's a few other companies I know that could benefit from being taken down a peg or two. I say this as a programmer who codes primarily in.net technologies and a mostly satisfied windows user.
I can't get the exact breakdown from microsoft's investor site, but my best estimate is that MS makes between 23% and 43% of it's revenue from OS sales and licensing. Office eats up another big piece of the pie, but together appear to still be less than half of total revenue (according to this site. MS has most assuredly has diversified and considers itself to be a "service" company these days (hence the push to the cloud and the huge increase in open source of code).
I often seek out debates over closely held beliefs, to the extent that I can have a conversation without ruining the evening or pushing the boundaries of civility. I find that for myself, If I feel flustered in the heat of the moment I might respond with an over the top response, but will mull over the ideas later and perhaps see the other side a bit more.
It seems as though there's no other way to have these discussions. My thought is that people need to be more willing to get in a heated discussion and then walk away and think on it without having permanent scars.
And yet the first image in that article you link shows that conservatives have the stronger echo chamber, and is exactly why consistent liberals are more likely to get pissed off and un-friend people:
https://img.washingtonpost.com...
Thanks for that cutting edge news. Ballmer's "developers developers developers " trojan horse incantation was beginning to take hold. I'm sure glad Sun was able to keep java firmly in their grasp and not let some evil company get ahold of it.
True, you can version control the stored procedures. I don't think that takes away from my point though, pl/sl is a horrid language to write advanced business logic and I'd wager more than a little business logic is tucked away in the rows that store the "data". In peoplesoft's horrid incantation I worked on 7 years ago, there are large strings of javascript and html containing non-trivial extensions to business logic, just sitting around in rows. Try code reviewing that mess.
The beauty of this is that all of your website code is in the database, making it centrally managed and all application security logic is enforced by the database.
Ah yes, the beauty of non-version controlled code stored as giant strings in the bowels of a database with the most powerful of languages (pl/sql, of course) to grease the gears. I bet it's a complete joy to use.
I recently had a would-be boss who was trying to recruit me say he was looking for a developer with "a servant's heart". I couldn't tell if this was an awkward attempt to woo me with a religious reference or if he really thought I envisaged myself a slave.
While much of your comment is correct, I don't think you can correlate the complexity of sculpting or painting to using technology (at least, complicated, integrated technology). I can't foresee a sculpting project where you find that your scalpel is incompatible with the version of clay, so you're going to have to go dig up clay on the back yard or use a butterknife instead.
Dim numsToClean As New List(Of Integer) For indx = 1 To 3 If Not AquireResource(indx) Then Cleanup(numsToClean) Return End If numsToClean.Add(indx) Next
removing a lot of boilerplate code would drastically increase the cost of code maintenance.
I can't disagree more with this perspective. Anything that can be considered boilerplate (I think getter/setters on properties are a perfect example of this) should have a default implied behavior and be explicitly overridden when suitable situations arises. I gain nothing from having boilerplate code taking up mental and screen real estate when there's nothing out of the ordinary about how these elements will behave in a given context.
I guess our problem is that CS isn't a stepping stone to jobs in medicine, pharmacy, dentistry, or optometry. Look at the employment breakdown for jobs in "chemical engineering" and you see an 88% male dominated field. But please, tell us more about how we have gender problems.
But is a non-credible threat suspension worthy? There were very few suspensions back when I was in school, and only for severe infractions. These seems incredibly over the top. I'd put this in the category punishment of detention, maybe a trip to the principal's office. Certainly not suspension.
Growing up with ranchers, there was always something that needed to be fixed/southern engineered. Perhaps a deer stuck a horn through the high-flow intake manifold on your front end loader or it isn't quite managing the amount of dust in the air, and all you needed to get by was to weld cover and perhaps reinforce the hood with some diamond plate steel so that future deer might not be able to wreck your engine.
Similarly, I feel like there's a good deal of coding that falls in between changing the oil and manifold design.
If you're talking about VB.net It does look like both tail recursion (compile time) and anonymous functions made it into the 4.0 framework (neither of which will probably make an 'intro' course, I would imagine). I think the best reason for choosing vb.net is how much more linguistic it is. Using things like "Function....End Function" or "If NumberA > NumberB Then.... End If"" Would be quite helpful to a beginner just learning to parse code. Combining this with an extremely helpful GUI like visual studios would make teaching much easier. In my view, the tooling is nearly as important as the language. However, I'd probably have to recommend Javascript just as highly, since the tooling there has gotten so much better. But I hate javascript too much to do that.
I personally think VB.net doesn't deserve 1/100th of the reputation it fields in this forum, especially for an introduction into programming. It won't segue as easily into learning C or assembly, but I think for an intro course it beats a lot of the alternatives.
calling us "misogynistic whiny manbabies" throws cold water on the argument that a "toxic" environment exists in tech. If you're at all interested in convincing thinking people that you have a point, try some logic and evidence, not name calling.
... design, architecture, problem solving. Most of the time, those are better done in group
I disagree. As with near anything, it's a balance. Problem/designs that require deep thinking and concentration are not effectively done in a group. Often on complex problems I've found more time is spent on keeping everyone on the same page than actually addressing the problem (disk swapping, if you will). Frequent interruption to "bounce ideas" is _not_ an effective use of time as countless studies have shown. Recurring meetings are a better venue for this type of discussion, just add it to your discussion queue unless it's urgent.
once the problem is solved, anyone can implement it
Right, because writing software is just like plugging in to the quadratic equation, and any monkey or "n00b" can do it. I'm extremely curious what field you're in that you have this perspective.
This comment is exactly the mentality that I struggle to comprehend. How is the misdirection offensive? We do this all the time with other subjects, and no offense is given, often it's celebrated (see "rick rolling"). I guarantee you that your "non-asshole" version would have offended quite a few, simply for bringing it up on the sacred day. I'm offended you're cowing to notions of offense for no damned reason. People must learn to be civil about one other's beliefs, or we'll have more danish cartoon killings.
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I agree that it is a cool visualization. I do think it's noteworthy to mention that the data was reverse-engineered from resumes, so the relationships all have the bias of what individuals _think_ will matter to hiring committee or want to be hired to do, vs what actual skills they possess.
When did the right panel get subsumed by ads? Had this been happening for long and I just hadn't noticed? I checked out the site in chrome to see the site without scripts, and holy smokes has it gotten bad.
I would not frequent this site if the normal experience was accompanied by a trojan condom video ad (among several others) on loop.
Do you actually know what autocomplete is? It has nothing to do with _understanding_ code. I bet you intended a more nuanced criticism but didn't have an autocomplete for the enumerated benefits so you just went with the first one. I'll try an organize my arguments better so that it matches your expected responses, improve my skill.
if you guys would quit stripping down to show off your e-peens you've grown by not needing an IDE to develop, you might not get such a chill at a dissenting opinion.
I just can't fathom how anyone who has used IDEs with auto-complete, syntax error highlighting, method arguments and types displayed inline, following methods by jumping between files, step-through debugging, automatic compilling, etc. could ever go back to plain old text editor coding. That "hand holding" is fantastic, and to me _is_ the most important thing. The amount of time and mental energy wasted doing the busy work of orchestrating a project and fixing minor bugs that could be immediately seen or quickly tracked down by hand can make some coding not worth the effort. It does give me a kick though, to come to /. and hearing the crufties bitch about advanced tools. I hypothesize that you guys developed a command line fetish while watching the scrolling text of gentoo to recompiles and can't get jollies without it. I really can't explain the fascination otherwise.
You make a good point, but I think Microsoft and its supporters have learned the hard way to not take themselves so seriously, for the betterment of all. There's a few other companies I know that could benefit from being taken down a peg or two. I say this as a programmer who codes primarily in .net technologies and a mostly satisfied windows user.
I can't get the exact breakdown from microsoft's investor site, but my best estimate is that MS makes between 23% and 43% of it's revenue from OS sales and licensing. Office eats up another big piece of the pie, but together appear to still be less than half of total revenue (according to this site. MS has most assuredly has diversified and considers itself to be a "service" company these days (hence the push to the cloud and the huge increase in open source of code).
I often seek out debates over closely held beliefs, to the extent that I can have a conversation without ruining the evening or pushing the boundaries of civility. I find that for myself, If I feel flustered in the heat of the moment I might respond with an over the top response, but will mull over the ideas later and perhaps see the other side a bit more.
It seems as though there's no other way to have these discussions. My thought is that people need to be more willing to get in a heated discussion and then walk away and think on it without having permanent scars.
And yet the first image in that article you link shows that conservatives have the stronger echo chamber, and is exactly why consistent liberals are more likely to get pissed off and un-friend people: https://img.washingtonpost.com...
Thanks for that cutting edge news. Ballmer's "developers developers developers " trojan horse incantation was beginning to take hold. I'm sure glad Sun was able to keep java firmly in their grasp and not let some evil company get ahold of it.
True, you can version control the stored procedures. I don't think that takes away from my point though, pl/sl is a horrid language to write advanced business logic and I'd wager more than a little business logic is tucked away in the rows that store the "data". In peoplesoft's horrid incantation I worked on 7 years ago, there are large strings of javascript and html containing non-trivial extensions to business logic, just sitting around in rows. Try code reviewing that mess.
The beauty of this is that all of your website code is in the database, making it centrally managed and all application security logic is enforced by the database.
Ah yes, the beauty of non-version controlled code stored as giant strings in the bowels of a database with the most powerful of languages (pl/sql, of course) to grease the gears. I bet it's a complete joy to use.
I recently had a would-be boss who was trying to recruit me say he was looking for a developer with "a servant's heart". I couldn't tell if this was an awkward attempt to woo me with a religious reference or if he really thought I envisaged myself a slave.
While much of your comment is correct, I don't think you can correlate the complexity of sculpting or painting to using technology (at least, complicated, integrated technology). I can't foresee a sculpting project where you find that your scalpel is incompatible with the version of clay, so you're going to have to go dig up clay on the back yard or use a butterknife instead.
Dim numsToClean As New List(Of Integer)
For indx = 1 To 3
If Not AquireResource(indx) Then
Cleanup(numsToClean)
Return
End If
numsToClean.Add(indx)
Next
DoStuffWithResources()
Cleanup(numsToClean)
removing a lot of boilerplate code would drastically increase the cost of code maintenance.
I can't disagree more with this perspective. Anything that can be considered boilerplate (I think getter/setters on properties are a perfect example of this) should have a default implied behavior and be explicitly overridden when suitable situations arises. I gain nothing from having boilerplate code taking up mental and screen real estate when there's nothing out of the ordinary about how these elements will behave in a given context.
I guess our problem is that CS isn't a stepping stone to jobs in medicine, pharmacy, dentistry, or optometry. Look at the employment breakdown for jobs in "chemical engineering" and you see an 88% male dominated field. But please, tell us more about how we have gender problems.
But is a non-credible threat suspension worthy? There were very few suspensions back when I was in school, and only for severe infractions. These seems incredibly over the top. I'd put this in the category punishment of detention, maybe a trip to the principal's office. Certainly not suspension.
Growing up with ranchers, there was always something that needed to be fixed/southern engineered. Perhaps a deer stuck a horn through the high-flow intake manifold on your front end loader or it isn't quite managing the amount of dust in the air, and all you needed to get by was to weld cover and perhaps reinforce the hood with some diamond plate steel so that future deer might not be able to wreck your engine.
Similarly, I feel like there's a good deal of coding that falls in between changing the oil and manifold design.
If you're talking about VB.net It does look like both tail recursion (compile time) and anonymous functions made it into the 4.0 framework (neither of which will probably make an 'intro' course, I would imagine). I think the best reason for choosing vb.net is how much more linguistic it is. Using things like "Function....End Function" or "If NumberA > NumberB Then .... End If"" Would be quite helpful to a beginner just learning to parse code. Combining this with an extremely helpful GUI like visual studios would make teaching much easier. In my view, the tooling is nearly as important as the language. However, I'd probably have to recommend Javascript just as highly, since the tooling there has gotten so much better. But I hate javascript too much to do that.
I personally think VB.net doesn't deserve 1/100th of the reputation it fields in this forum, especially for an introduction into programming. It won't segue as easily into learning C or assembly, but I think for an intro course it beats a lot of the alternatives.
calling us "misogynistic whiny manbabies" throws cold water on the argument that a "toxic" environment exists in tech. If you're at all interested in convincing thinking people that you have a point, try some logic and evidence, not name calling.
Alcohol is no worse than sodas in the theater, and aids with the digestion of the drivel on the screen.
... design, architecture, problem solving. Most of the time, those are better done in group
I disagree. As with near anything, it's a balance. Problem/designs that require deep thinking and concentration are not effectively done in a group. Often on complex problems I've found more time is spent on keeping everyone on the same page than actually addressing the problem (disk swapping, if you will). Frequent interruption to "bounce ideas" is _not_ an effective use of time as countless studies have shown. Recurring meetings are a better venue for this type of discussion, just add it to your discussion queue unless it's urgent.
once the problem is solved, anyone can implement it
Right, because writing software is just like plugging in to the quadratic equation, and any monkey or "n00b" can do it. I'm extremely curious what field you're in that you have this perspective.
This comment is exactly the mentality that I struggle to comprehend. How is the misdirection offensive? We do this all the time with other subjects, and no offense is given, often it's celebrated (see "rick rolling"). I guarantee you that your "non-asshole" version would have offended quite a few, simply for bringing it up on the sacred day. I'm offended you're cowing to notions of offense for no damned reason. People must learn to be civil about one other's beliefs, or we'll have more danish cartoon killings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Though, the whole documentary is pretty good.