It may not have originated in Linux or *BSD, but i think the non-executable stack (goodbye buffer overflows) is quite nice. Someone might just point to a comercial kernel which had it before Linux or *BSD, but i dont know of any.
Does the feature gcc-java wher you can compile java into a native binary count?
I'm inclined to agree with your stance on innovation and OSS, but I also think innovative applications is quite rare (Konfabulator beeing the one of them)
The insane amount of packages have always been my main gripe with Gnome. I usually wait for my main distro to get upgraded, or chose another gnome installation such as Ximian Desktop (RPM) or Dropline Gnome (slackware), which both offer installers to do all the dirty work for you. Ximian Desktop 2 is Gnome 2.2 based(no resolution switching on the fly) but is a _realy_ polished product, but i think you will have to get a RedHat/Fedora distribution to get the drag'n'drop between Gnome/KDE properly (you might not have to, but its all I've tested it with)
I know you have expressed discomfort with configuration files, but if you use an rpm based distro with apt (freshrpms.net) you could add the following to line to your/etc/apt/sources.list:
Im not the grandparent poster, as the nick so clearly states, but i think i can ansver alot of your questions.
As a linux and mac user i know drag'n'drop the proper way. The mac way, that is. It's amazing, you can drag'n'drop everything everywhere, drag a url to the desktop -> web link, drag marked text to the desktop -> textClipping which you can read later, drag a folder icon from the titlebar to the Terminal.app -> path on the command line. Linux is nowhere near the userfiendlyness of OSX in any way.
As for the Linux install he described, it sounds just like an average install of Gnome 2.4, which you can get onto a fully working system (Fedora Core 1) with just pointing and clicking in the installer. I would say it takes next to no brains to get Fedora onto my system, it auto detected my GeforceFX, TV-tuner card, LCD monitor, USB mouse, CD-Burner... you get the general idea.
The features he described are there as deafult, in the preferences menu there is a button for "screen resolution", i think that one is fairly obvious. The "font" button is also pretty self explainatory, click "details" and you get an option to open your font folder, just drag'n'drop fonts there.
I just tested drag'n'drop between Nautilus (filemanger for gnome) and konqueror (file manager for KDE) picked up a file and dragged it from my home dir in konqueror and to the Desktop folder in nautilus, and it actually worked (I was pretty amazed, actually). Then i tried darag''n'drop from Nautilus to K3B (a cd burning application for KDE), lo behold! it also worked (I'm was even more amazed).
If you dont stray from the Gnome/KDE path i would say you where in for a pretty smooth ride. And i dont think novice user would have the brains to end up in enlightenment or fluxbox by mistake.
Fedora Core 1 also comes with RHN notification in the "system-tray" by default so clicking this will easily set you up for system update the friendly way. yum (apt like tool for RPM from yellowdog linux) also comes preinstalled and preconfigured so keeping the sytem updated can also be done by doing "yum update" as root.
The only issue I have with fedora is the lack of Mp3 support and video player. This lead me to the only separate install apart from the main distribution, i installed apt-get for Fedora Core from freshrpm.net and installed Mp3 supprt for xmms and mplayer with two commands.
I cannot comment on printing at the moment (I dont have one) but i've had a obscure Canon printer/fax machine/copy machine thing up and running on another box with Suse 8.2 and Ximina desktop2, it took me about 10 minutes (5 minutes to determine ip adress and queue name on the damn thing)
"Enemy At the Gates came close, maybe in it's first 10 minutes."
If you want a decent film about stalingrad you should try this one: Stalingrad, it's a german film about german soilders. Germans never have to put in some happy ending or try to cover up that they where bastards. To put is short: its cold and hopeless.
YellowTab is based in Germany. They have both software and hardware for sale. I belive they will ship you the software anywhere (they haven't stated othervise), but sending hardware all over the world is quite expensive. Scince Zeta will run in (almost) any x86 machines, you could just order the OS and install it wherever you like.
RTFP, the Outlook and virus bouncing are distinct subjects. To spare you the trouble of reading the article:
1: Outlook Express will not be killed off, to the delight of many of my non/semi computer literate friends.
2: Getting bounced virus messages from mails you never sent is crap. I got one such mail last week from a email adress which is _never_ in use (.forward file in $home). when you are bouncing/retuerning warnings on email borne viruses, someone who is not infected will wake up one day and find 100 "your message contained a virus" mail in the inbox, almost like spam, it creates alot of uneccesary traffic.
lets say i write something on carbon paper (SCO "IP"), and then give you the copy, and then claim that your copy is the copy of my original writing. Then I show it to a bunch of people, how can i claim to keep my original writing a secret?
nitpicking, but anyway... if they show the allededly copied Linux code, what good is it to hide theire own code?
For the first time I'm actually considering emailing one of the/. editors and telling them they can count me as a shure sale if they decide to print some of these t-shirts.
Actually I think that artwork will realy stand out on a tin plattern such as the Futurama platterns they have over at ThinkGeek*.
*got 'Join the Man-Machine Brotherhood" last year as a birthdaypresent
Any chance there could be high resolution tiff/ps/pdf of the runner up entries posted somewhere? I realy like the 'bathing geeks in soothing green light' thing. Want to send it to a A3 color printer, or A1 color plotter...
Like 'Network Administrator'(20 chars, 2 words) vs. 'Netzwerkadministrator' (21 chars, 1 word), and if you count the white space they're equal. I dunno mabe the German abbreviation of 'Netzwerkadministrator' is 'Admin' or?
I know linux is lagging quite massively in the CAD market, and i don't see it change any time now. The makers of Catia actually spent much time porting Catia from *nix to Windows (I think the newest release will run on linux too, not shure because I wasn't at the Catia demonstration, but I have been told..). As to hardeware locks and the like we only have hardware locks on our Catia/Maxsurf machine(s) and AutoCAD/Inventor/3dsMax is everywhere. decent CAD software looks like the last realy good argument against Linux and friends, because this is something that the OSS world has filed to adress.
I belive the lack of open source CAD software is that it is specialized software and quite complex, not something ordinary people use and coders dont't dream up overnight. I dont belive that we'll see a KAD package in KDE 4.0 og a GoatCAD for gnome in the near future, the more realistic route is that some CAD company dies and donates the surces to the public domain or som sort of byout like blender.
I Might ad that autodesk is about the evilest company out there. constantly releasing new versions of AutoCAD and they always get confused about which year it is, they released AutoCAD 2004 this spring.
AutoCAD is not the industry standard, it's very common, but I have seen many large firms move to Microstation from AutoCAD.
btw. for marine engineering and naval architecture I would say that Maxsurf and Catia are far ahead of AutoCAD
This is a Good Thing, IMHO. It's always a pain when your friends are on different networks, and you tend to get 'locked' in with one IM client/system wich most of your friends prefer. Personally i find GAIM very usefull since it can communicate with almost every IM network there is (i have had limited success with file transfer) and you can use it on both Windows and Linux et al for concistency.
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It may not have originated in Linux or *BSD, but i think the non-executable stack (goodbye buffer overflows) is quite nice. Someone might just point to a comercial kernel which had it before Linux or *BSD, but i dont know of any.
Does the feature gcc-java wher you can compile java into a native binary count?
I'm inclined to agree with your stance on innovation and OSS, but I also think innovative applications is quite rare (Konfabulator beeing the one of them)
The insane amount of packages have always been my main gripe with Gnome. I usually wait for my main distro to get upgraded, or chose another gnome installation such as Ximian Desktop (RPM) or Dropline Gnome (slackware), which both offer installers to do all the dirty work for you. Ximian Desktop 2 is Gnome 2.2 based(no resolution switching on the fly) but is a _realy_ polished product, but i think you will have to get a RedHat/Fedora distribution to get the drag'n'drop between Gnome/KDE properly (you might not have to, but its all I've tested it with)
/etc/apt/sources.list:
I know you have expressed discomfort with configuration files, but if you use an rpm based distro with apt (freshrpms.net) you could add the following to line to your
rpm http://people.ecsc.co.uk/~matt/downloads/apt fedora-1-i386 gnome extras depends
and then do an 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade', you'll find some great gnome 2.4 packages there anyway if you do not use apt
I wish gnome.org could do a ximian like installer for their releases, it would certainly make the new releases more widespred to start with.
Im not the grandparent poster, as the nick so clearly states, but i think i can ansver alot of your questions.
As a linux and mac user i know drag'n'drop the proper way. The mac way, that is. It's amazing, you can drag'n'drop everything everywhere, drag a url to the desktop -> web link, drag marked text to the desktop -> textClipping which you can read later, drag a folder icon from the titlebar to the Terminal.app -> path on the command line. Linux is nowhere near the userfiendlyness of OSX in any way.
As for the Linux install he described, it sounds just like an average install of Gnome 2.4, which you can get onto a fully working system (Fedora Core 1) with just pointing and clicking in the installer. I would say it takes next to no brains to get Fedora onto my system, it auto detected my GeforceFX, TV-tuner card, LCD monitor, USB mouse, CD-Burner... you get the general idea.
The features he described are there as deafult, in the preferences menu there is a button for "screen resolution", i think that one is fairly obvious. The "font" button is also pretty self explainatory, click "details" and you get an option to open your font folder, just drag'n'drop fonts there.
I just tested drag'n'drop between Nautilus (filemanger for gnome) and konqueror (file manager for KDE) picked up a file and dragged it from my home dir in konqueror and to the Desktop folder in nautilus, and it actually worked (I was pretty amazed, actually). Then i tried darag''n'drop from Nautilus to K3B (a cd burning application for KDE), lo behold! it also worked (I'm was even more amazed).
If you dont stray from the Gnome/KDE path i would say you where in for a pretty smooth ride. And i dont think novice user would have the brains to end up in enlightenment or fluxbox by mistake.
Fedora Core 1 also comes with RHN notification in the "system-tray" by default so clicking this will easily set you up for system update the friendly way. yum (apt like tool for RPM from yellowdog linux) also comes preinstalled and preconfigured so keeping the sytem updated can also be done by doing "yum update" as root.
The only issue I have with fedora is the lack of Mp3 support and video player. This lead me to the only separate install apart from the main distribution, i installed apt-get for Fedora Core from freshrpm.net and installed Mp3 supprt for xmms and mplayer with two commands.
I cannot comment on printing at the moment (I dont have one) but i've had a obscure Canon printer/fax machine/copy machine thing up and running on another box with Suse 8.2 and Ximina desktop2, it took me about 10 minutes (5 minutes to determine ip adress and queue name on the damn thing)
Havent you seen it? its some lady runnning into a standard university lecture and throws a box at the lecturer... oh wait...
"Its not particullarly old , it is a 386 . Still works , although the batery is dead.
--- http://www.pigscanfly.ca - Low cost linux based webhosting"
so thats how you keep your web hosting low cost?
"Enemy At the Gates came close, maybe in it's first 10 minutes."
If you want a decent film about stalingrad you should try this one: Stalingrad, it's a german film about german soilders. Germans never have to put in some happy ending or try to cover up that they where bastards. To put is short: its cold and hopeless.
YellowTab is based in Germany. They have both software and hardware for sale. I belive they will ship you the software anywhere (they haven't stated othervise), but sending hardware all over the world is quite expensive. Scince Zeta will run in (almost) any x86 machines, you could just order the OS and install it wherever you like.
I think you forgot the Netherlands
which further proves his point i guess, Nokia(n) also makes(made? haven't seen one recently) computer monitors and televisions.
RTFP, the Outlook and virus bouncing are distinct subjects.
To spare you the trouble of reading the article:
1: Outlook Express will not be killed off, to the delight of many of my non/semi computer literate friends.
2: Getting bounced virus messages from mails you never sent is crap. I got one such mail last week from a email adress which is _never_ in use (.forward file in $home). when you are bouncing/retuerning warnings on email borne viruses, someone who is not infected will wake up one day and find 100 "your message contained a virus" mail in the inbox, almost like spam, it creates alot of uneccesary traffic.
but, hey, not bad for a FP atempt. My only regret is losing to GNAA.
will this affect Gaim in any way?
lets say i write something on carbon paper (SCO "IP"), and then give you the copy, and then claim that your copy is the copy of my original writing. Then I show it to a bunch of people, how can i claim to keep my original writing a secret?
nitpicking, but anyway... if they show the allededly copied Linux code, what good is it to hide theire own code?
Where's the command line?
is a 512 processor SMP monster with ONE BILLION mb RAM. I coudn't resist that little box with all those enterpise features.
For the first time I'm actually considering emailing one of the /. editors and telling them they can count me as a shure sale if they decide to print some of these t-shirts.
Actually I think that artwork will realy stand out on a tin plattern such as the Futurama platterns they have over at ThinkGeek*.
*got 'Join the Man-Machine Brotherhood" last year as a birthdaypresent
Any chance there could be high resolution tiff/ps/pdf of the runner up entries posted somewhere? I realy like the 'bathing geeks in soothing green light' thing. Want to send it to a A3 color printer, or A1 color plotter...
Because comparing apples to oranges is never a bright idea. The comparison is between AAC codecs not a few AAC codecs vs WMA.
Like 'Network Administrator'(20 chars, 2 words) vs. 'Netzwerkadministrator' (21 chars, 1 word), and if you count the white space they're equal. I dunno mabe the German abbreviation of 'Netzwerkadministrator' is 'Admin' or?
And the tab titles in the screenshot?
;(
modev
Slashdot
Goatse (the "eh" title)
no wonder you post anonymously, whats more scary is that i noticed it
6 words: I dont live in the US
btw, I have an iBook and iTunes Music store looks impressive. I will be signing up when it is available in europe.
what about this ?
I know linux is lagging quite massively in the CAD market, and i don't see it change any time now. The makers of Catia actually spent much time porting Catia from *nix to Windows (I think the newest release will run on linux too, not shure because I wasn't at the Catia demonstration, but I have been told ..). As to hardeware locks and the like we only have hardware locks on our Catia/Maxsurf machine(s) and AutoCAD/Inventor/3dsMax is everywhere. decent CAD software looks like the last realy good argument against Linux and friends, because this is something that the OSS world has filed to adress.
I belive the lack of open source CAD software is that it is specialized software and quite complex, not something ordinary people use and coders dont't dream up overnight. I dont belive that we'll see a KAD package in KDE 4.0 og a GoatCAD for gnome in the near future, the more realistic route is that some CAD company dies and donates the surces to the public domain or som sort of byout like blender.
I Might ad that autodesk is about the evilest company out there. constantly releasing new versions of AutoCAD and they always get confused about which year it is, they released AutoCAD 2004 this spring.
AutoCAD is not the industry standard, it's very common, but I have seen many large firms move to Microstation from AutoCAD.
btw. for marine engineering and naval architecture I would say that Maxsurf and Catia are far ahead of AutoCAD
This is a Good Thing, IMHO. It's always a pain when your friends are on different networks, and you tend to get 'locked' in with one IM client/system wich most of your friends prefer.
Personally i find GAIM very usefull since it can communicate with almost every IM network there is (i have had limited success with file transfer) and you can use it on both Windows and Linux et al for concistency.