...No offense was meant to any of our fine armed forces, although I'm sure they have a different meaning to the acronym MUD. Goodness knows they have acronyms for everything else (brother was USAF, so I know).
From an article at the beginning: ...Ximian Connector will sell for $69 a seat. Its value proposition is that it can replace an entire Windows machine. In many large corporations, there might be 50,000 Windows users and 5,000 Linux/Unix users. But corporate standards might dictate the use of Microsoft Exchange for mail and calendaring...
So my question is this. If it's worth $69 USD per seat for this...why doesn't Microsoft port something to Linux? If it is worth that much to companies...why not?
My answer is this: Microsoft wants a monopoly. Its goal is domination. And therefore, it will fight Linux with all it can muster.
In any battle for users, the company on the bottom fights to be interoperable with the company 'on top.' In this case, it is MS on top. (If you look into it, Microsoft only wants shared standards for IM clients, so they can eat up AOL's users...)
The curious thing about KDE/Gnome, Linux, and open source in general is that there is a lot of competition, and interoperability must be neccessary for now, but what about when this stuff has a major chunk of the market?
Athlon 500, 160 MB of RAM, runs nice and fast. I'm running KDE, mandrake* 8.0, with the Gimp, xmms, and some other fun stuff all goin. It's not notacably slowing down at all. I think it's all in the RAM, personally, but that system runs nice and fast, with no lags (like win98, also on that box, seems to develop over time...*shrug*)
And speed is fun, but what about maintenance? good grief...It's nice to just let my brothers play on linux and enjoy themselves with games instead of constantly keeping win98 happy. I don't have to worry about one of them forcing me to reboot when they do something stupid, I just take care with their file access and relax.
*I know, I know, don't admit to it on Slashdot, but Mandrake suits my needs.
"Morality and law alike are determined by the weight of the people. If enough people think that file sharing is a moral thing to do, then it will become so."
Paraphrased: "Morality and law alike are determined by the weight of the people. If enough people think that murder and rape is the moral thing to do, then it will become so."
I think that clearly makes my point, and a point that needs to be made: there are constant, unchanging right and wrongs, whatever the masses want to say or do. I think it is interesting to watch "morality is the will of the masses" advocators try to justify their actions. Since they are relativists, why do they need to defend their actions? Because they are trying to say they adhere to a standard...when they deny constant standards.
Now, I agree that the "current entertainment business model" has problems, but do we really want a total collapse? No more blockbuster movies, no pop stars (hmmm...), mega rock bands, advertised everywhere, MTV would have trouble dealing with indie artists with no money for videos, because they are indie, no million-seller records...everyone d/ls their mp3s instead...at least in a world i see. Talk to me, let me know what you think.
What kind of person throws away OS disks? First, someone who love the company enough to buy Apple, and second, OS X was supposed to be groundbreaking and all that. Keep it for posterity, at least...
At least, keep it until you KNOW that it isn't required for the 10.1 install...
I'm sure they will look at their software protection people pretty closely. No one says they aren't, in fact I promise you they are. This legal stuff is just half of what Apple is doing to fix this...it is pretty silly to assume otherwise.
I rememeber at the time, that apple's and mac's at my school were chosen because "they had more educational software." But PC's were mainstream, businesses used them. Schools switched to Wintel 'cause it was what the kids were gonna use.
ok, I read the article. On yahoo. I seem to remember that people have been paid by microsoft to get on chat sites and fight for them. Interesting, huh... Oh well, fud is good....
article: Judge to Weigh Private Microsoft Antitrust Deal.
Ian McDiarmid.... Supreme Chancellor Palpatine/Darth Sidious
Pernilla August.... Shmi Skywalker
Ahmed Best.... Jar Jar Binks/Achk Med-Beq
Anthony Daniels.... C-3PO/Lieutenant Faytonni
So in other words...Ahmed Best plays two characters. Just like the guy that plays C3P0 does...hmm..have to notice that. But wait, Darth Sidioius IS Palpatine. Maybe Jar-Jar undergoes brain surgery or some other painful, personality-altering ordeal...i'm sure we'd all enjoy it...and becomes Achk Med-Beq, i.e. Ahmed Best. hmm... <shrug>
Ok. I get a little zealous sometimes, apologies.
I recommend anyone check out the games for the systems, and do a comparison on the software, not the hardware.
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We are here to think how we want, there are plenty of people neutral on MS here, plenty who pick on them for fun, and plenty who hate them with burning passion. It isn't groupthink, stop trying to get noticedby being anti-anti-MS.
Yes, i know i'm replying to a troll, but someone had to do it.
Here is something I said earlier, but it deserves repeating:
"my favorite quote from the [salon] article is this: 'The company is taking a substantial loss on every Xbox sale.' Music to my ears. I might buy one, and HALO, and then Linux it into a super nintendo-playing emulator (laughter, more laughter)...hmm...anyone up for some madden '94? Legend of Zelda? I love ROMS. ohh...ohh, Final Fantasies! playstation emulation! CHRONO TRIGGER ON XBOX! It's a beautiful thing...I love how its a pc...hmmm...ohh....ohh...i'm just rolling in laugher. ha. Not to mention the viruses..."
By viruses I was referring to a comment I had made, that since the xbox has permanent storage, is built by MS, and has Internet (and thus probably email by microsoft) functionality, it will probably be the first console in history to get viruses. Just a funny thought.
Well, I can design, build, and ship a PC (w/o monitor), for about $400. That includes Athlon 1.2C, 30 gig hard drive, 300W PS, good case, keyboard and mouse by Logitech. All from Newegg.com. A superior site, in my opinion. And with that system, i'm sure I could compete with your GF3 enough with my GF2-GTS enough where the gameplay and graphics would be about the same.
No, the beauty of consoles is their ease of use, price, game libraries (no myamoto, ever, for pc, unless you ROM it), portability (except the XBOX), pop-in-a-game-and-play, multiplayer (on one tv), and again, price...no expensive monitor...
Rather than point to FUD just as you did, go on google and do a search for fun things like Pentium 3 700MHz benchmarks versus the Gecko that the gamecube has. then, check out the GeForce 2 (MX?) in the xbox, and the RAM, versus Gamecube's. Then, just to make it all worthwhile, check out real performance. To show that pure "power" doesn't matter, and it's the programming and just general design, compare games, side by side. Gamecube to Xbox to PS2. Then, think about the games taht are coming out, later..um..xbox gets halo. After that, i hear it is nothing (gamespot, among others). PS2 will rock, undoubtedly, and i predict the Gamecube will sell the most systems because of it's price and kiddie factor this Christmas.
Yeah...and we all play games cause we are zombies. and they have a monopoly, because they secretly own Sony, and those two companies have pretty much split the US videogame market. YOu are trying to be cool by being anti-anti-ms. get a life. Be real. See that this company is evil. Watch dancemonkeyboy, and try not to get scared. This company is planning on rolling over Nintendo and Sony and making the videogame market another MS monopoly. I don't like the sound of that. anyways, read the salon article, before you post, and then think about it. peace.
Yeah, but it weighs as much as your pc. In fact, it is a pc. It has everything a pc has, Intel p3, GeForce, RAM, hard drive, etc, except expandability. And it's owned by microsoft.
I'm going to get, just cause i know they'll lose money off of it. And i'm going to enjoy hacking linux to it, if i can get it to work. peace.
college dorm room. 6 guys. 17-inch pc, sometimes a 13". Four players at once with Super Smash brothers and Perfect Dark. Hours of tournaments. Eyes burned out. Hands sore. Mind worn
But those friendships and memories last forever. Best memories from last year were playing with, near real people on videogames. I even played Counter-Strike with my roommate, just so I could gloat when i beat him. Real people are worth sore eyes from a 4x4-inch screen for PD, or trying to find your character in Smash Brothers. There is no substitute.
well...just read what OEM's packages of 1K chips run at. I think you will find that AMD's are cheaper for similar chips. Read the article, it says they produce cheaper...
As to fewer customer returns, unreliability, etc...I don't know. personally I've had all kinds of trouble with Intel, but my Athlon 500 and 1.2-C have worked beautifully. (shrug). Just 2c...
I don't know for sure, but I would guess most terrorists are more interested in blowing people up than hacking. Kiddies and pranksters hack. Terrorists kill people. This isn't a tough one.
Now, if you are Education or Social or etc, that's fine. But what about Defense...that could hurt when someone finds a backdoor into weapons orders. Or Transportation...or just general integrity of systems. A good hacker that took out major Fed networks could cause major chaos, and open the door for terrorists. But Al Quaeda is never gonna post to a newsgroup that they hacked the DoE's computers. Or anything like that. They don't care. They want death. So i'm not too worried about terrorists...just idiots.
Folks,
Anyone remember the previous monopolies that were broken up? oil? phone services?
The economy took a little hit, yes. But look where they are now. I know this has been said a million times, but some people still don't know. Look at the Carnegies, or any old money family...anyone with stakes in a monopoly still did well when monopolies broke up.
With MS, ideally you would have an OS, Office, and Services-related division. Maybe a misc. apps one, too...for stuff like IE and winmedia. The last one, the misc. apps one, would go first...sure it is a monopoly, but when windows doesn't include IE or WMP without an added on charge, that will be a happy day for me. (shrug), i know i hate MS. I see what they've done, and what they do, their ideas and their ideals, their plans. How can you not hate them?
I predict the Services division will go next. Apache is free. Without a monopoly pushing IIS...
The rest will be history. A future where Linux is supported as much as MS is, is a good one to me...who pays for WinXP and all its crap (do i need to list it?) when you can get a nice stable Linux...a good, strong peice of justice here and 2 more years for linux to mature. Now that's a great future. Cheap OS's. Open apps. Computing for cheap. That's a good thing, in my opinion.
It's a fact, Microsoft made a deal with the US government....Ashcroft spoke. Gates spoke. We all know it happened.
But what was the deal? What did Microsoft give up to get full control of the Internet?
What did the government want from Microsoft, and what did Microsoft give them?
Was it merely a campaign contribution in the 2000 election?
Or did Microsoft promise to provide the government with access to all the information they accumulate in the Hailstorm database?
Did Microsoft give the government the power to censor websites they think are being used by terrorists? With that power will they be able to shut down sites like the NY Times or the Washington Post if they say things that compromise the government's war effort?
Will Microsoft support an Internet tax?
What else? These are just the ideas that occurred to me as I thought about the possibilities this morning. I'm sure there are others I haven't thought of.
(randomly played mp3 in winamp: Cold's "End of the World"...coincidence? a sign?)
Look, I hate Microsoft. I really don't like intel. Not because of their monopoly status in their realms, but because they use that monopoly status to leverage against the average user.
Microsoft has proved again and again that they don't really want to serve or help the customer. Their products aren't designed to be good per se, they are designed to sell. WinME for example, was a load of crap...it's just a couple of add-ons that could have been patched on to win98. Not sold as a totally new OS. If someone wanted its 'features' that bad. Their.NET service, pay as you go...their felonious practices...does this sound like a friendly company to you, to be loved? They are paranoid of linux, they hate it, but we traditionally love linux here at slashdot. Don't get me started on bootloader issues. Vaporeware, sales over quality software, visual changes to hide the lack of real improvement...They are in court for their abuse of monopolies...this isn't a tough observation. Microsoft is big, and mean, and therefore has bully/hated status here. And for good reason.
Now, don't you remember 5 years ago...the good old Intel monopoly? No one else made good chips for PCs (Cyrix...ha...). Therefore, Intel charged millions. Chip prices were very high...twice what they are now. This competition from AMD has dropped prices for both sides to the floor. We love that. How can you not? Besides, Intel needed competition, and AMD has supplied that. Who doesn't love a company who is the underdog, taking on a high-priced monopoly, an underdog that has consistently has produced higher-performing chips at lower prices. This one isn't tough either. Is it?
I recommend a visit to Tom's Hardware to check out some benchmarking done on P4's and AthlonXP's. "comparable in some benchmarks" isn't accurate, but of course neither is the idea that the pentium 4 is blown away. Exaggeration is retarded; we are (or, should be) intellectually debating, not flaming. Yes, I am an idealist.
In reality, AMD's best chip can compete with and usually beat the P4. (shrug). that's the way it is. But, the point is that AMD's pricing is better, they are loved as the underdog (and not hated because of Intel's Monopoly Price Gouging ((tm), licenced from Microsoft).
Anyone remember the prices of Intel chips (especially high-end) before AMD came on the scene? I do. It was insane...the CPU was about half the system price. Now, I spend about $130 for a good chip, instead of $800. I attribute that to AMD. That is one of the reasons I love the company, that is why i drove 2 hours at 6 this morning to Detroit to their XPerience Tour to get a chance at a free chip and motherboard. People love AMD. No one 'loves' Intel.
And yeah, it was worth it, to hear the chant of, "INTEL SUCKS! INTEL SUCKS!"
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...No offense was meant to any of our fine armed forces, although I'm sure they have a different meaning to the acronym MUD. Goodness knows they have acronyms for everything else (brother was USAF, so I know).
Well...the army, it's also known as coffee...
From an article at the beginning:
...Ximian Connector will sell for $69 a seat. Its value proposition is that it can replace an entire Windows machine. In many large corporations, there might be 50,000 Windows users and 5,000 Linux/Unix users. But corporate standards might dictate the use of Microsoft Exchange for mail and calendaring...
So my question is this. If it's worth $69 USD per seat for this...why doesn't Microsoft port something to Linux? If it is worth that much to companies...why not?
My answer is this: Microsoft wants a monopoly. Its goal is domination. And therefore, it will fight Linux with all it can muster.
In any battle for users, the company on the bottom fights to be interoperable with the company 'on top.' In this case, it is MS on top. (If you look into it, Microsoft only wants shared standards for IM clients, so they can eat up AOL's users...)
The curious thing about KDE/Gnome, Linux, and open source in general is that there is a lot of competition, and interoperability must be neccessary for now, but what about when this stuff has a major chunk of the market?
Athlon 500, 160 MB of RAM, runs nice and fast. I'm running KDE, mandrake* 8.0, with the Gimp, xmms, and some other fun stuff all goin. It's not notacably slowing down at all. I think it's all in the RAM, personally, but that system runs nice and fast, with no lags (like win98, also on that box, seems to develop over time...*shrug*)
And speed is fun, but what about maintenance? good grief...It's nice to just let my brothers play on linux and enjoy themselves with games instead of constantly keeping win98 happy. I don't have to worry about one of them forcing me to reboot when they do something stupid, I just take care with their file access and relax.
*I know, I know, don't admit to it on Slashdot, but Mandrake suits my needs.
"Morality and law alike are determined by the weight of the people. If enough people think that file sharing is a moral thing to do, then it will become so."
Paraphrased: "Morality and law alike are determined by the weight of the people. If enough people think that murder and rape is the moral thing to do, then it will become so."
I think that clearly makes my point, and a point that needs to be made: there are constant, unchanging right and wrongs, whatever the masses want to say or do. I think it is interesting to watch "morality is the will of the masses" advocators try to justify their actions. Since they are relativists, why do they need to defend their actions? Because they are trying to say they adhere to a standard...when they deny constant standards.
Now, I agree that the "current entertainment business model" has problems, but do we really want a total collapse? No more blockbuster movies, no pop stars (hmmm...), mega rock bands, advertised everywhere, MTV would have trouble dealing with indie artists with no money for videos, because they are indie, no million-seller records...everyone d/ls their mp3s instead...at least in a world i see. Talk to me, let me know what you think.
What kind of person throws away OS disks? First, someone who love the company enough to buy Apple, and second, OS X was supposed to be groundbreaking and all that. Keep it for posterity, at least...
At least, keep it until you KNOW that it isn't required for the 10.1 install...
-Dave
I'm sure they will look at their software protection people pretty closely. No one says they aren't, in fact I promise you they are. This legal stuff is just half of what Apple is doing to fix this...it is pretty silly to assume otherwise.
I rememeber at the time, that apple's and mac's at my school were chosen because "they had more educational software." But PC's were mainstream, businesses used them. Schools switched to Wintel 'cause it was what the kids were gonna use.
ok, I read the article. On yahoo. I seem to remember that people have been paid by microsoft to get on chat sites and fight for them. Interesting, huh... Oh well, fud is good....
article: Judge to Weigh Private Microsoft Antitrust Deal.
Ian McDiarmid .... Supreme Chancellor Palpatine/Darth Sidious .... Shmi Skywalker .... Jar Jar Binks/Achk Med-Beq .... C-3PO/Lieutenant Faytonni
Pernilla August
Ahmed Best
Anthony Daniels
So in other words...Ahmed Best plays two characters. Just like the guy that plays C3P0 does...hmm..have to notice that. But wait, Darth Sidioius IS Palpatine. Maybe Jar-Jar undergoes brain surgery or some other painful, personality-altering ordeal...i'm sure we'd all enjoy it...and becomes Achk Med-Beq, i.e. Ahmed Best. hmm...
<shrug>
Ok. I get a little zealous sometimes, apologies.
I recommend anyone check out the games for the systems, and do a comparison on the software, not the hardware.
We are here to think how we want, there are plenty of people neutral on MS here, plenty who pick on them for fun, and plenty who hate them with burning passion. It isn't groupthink, stop trying to get noticedby being anti-anti-MS. Yes, i know i'm replying to a troll, but someone had to do it.
Here is something I said earlier, but it deserves repeating:
"my favorite quote from the [salon] article is this: 'The company is taking a substantial loss on every Xbox sale.' Music to my ears. I might buy one, and HALO, and then Linux it into a super nintendo-playing emulator (laughter, more laughter)...hmm...anyone up for some madden '94? Legend of Zelda? I love ROMS. ohh...ohh, Final Fantasies! playstation emulation! CHRONO TRIGGER ON XBOX! It's a beautiful thing...I love how its a pc...hmmm...ohh....ohh...i'm just rolling in laugher. ha. Not to mention the viruses..."
By viruses I was referring to a comment I had made, that since the xbox has permanent storage, is built by MS, and has Internet (and thus probably email by microsoft) functionality, it will probably be the first console in history to get viruses. Just a funny thought.
peace.
Well, I can design, build, and ship a PC (w/o monitor), for about $400. That includes Athlon 1.2C, 30 gig hard drive, 300W PS, good case, keyboard and mouse by Logitech. All from Newegg.com. A superior site, in my opinion. And with that system, i'm sure I could compete with your GF3 enough with my GF2-GTS enough where the gameplay and graphics would be about the same.
No, the beauty of consoles is their ease of use, price, game libraries (no myamoto, ever, for pc, unless you ROM it), portability (except the XBOX), pop-in-a-game-and-play, multiplayer (on one tv), and again, price...no expensive monitor...
Rather than point to FUD just as you did, go on google and do a search for fun things like Pentium 3 700MHz benchmarks versus the Gecko that the gamecube has. then, check out the GeForce 2 (MX?) in the xbox, and the RAM, versus Gamecube's. Then, just to make it all worthwhile, check out real performance. To show that pure "power" doesn't matter, and it's the programming and just general design, compare games, side by side. Gamecube to Xbox to PS2. Then, think about the games taht are coming out, later..um..xbox gets halo. After that, i hear it is nothing (gamespot, among others). PS2 will rock, undoubtedly, and i predict the Gamecube will sell the most systems because of it's price and kiddie factor this Christmas.
It's the games. Games are from developers.
Yeah...and we all play games cause we are zombies. and they have a monopoly, because they secretly own Sony, and those two companies have pretty much split the US videogame market. YOu are trying to be cool by being anti-anti-ms. get a life. Be real. See that this company is evil. Watch dancemonkeyboy, and try not to get scared. This company is planning on rolling over Nintendo and Sony and making the videogame market another MS monopoly. I don't like the sound of that. anyways, read the salon article, before you post, and then think about it. peace.
The flames are a feature. They are there on purpose.
Deer Hunter
Yeah, but it weighs as much as your pc. In fact, it is a pc. It has everything a pc has, Intel p3, GeForce, RAM, hard drive, etc, except expandability. And it's owned by microsoft.
I'm going to get, just cause i know they'll lose money off of it. And i'm going to enjoy hacking linux to it, if i can get it to work. peace.
college dorm room. 6 guys. 17-inch pc, sometimes a 13". Four players at once with Super Smash brothers and Perfect Dark. Hours of tournaments. Eyes burned out. Hands sore. Mind worn
But those friendships and memories last forever. Best memories from last year were playing with, near real people on videogames. I even played Counter-Strike with my roommate, just so I could gloat when i beat him. Real people are worth sore eyes from a 4x4-inch screen for PD, or trying to find your character in Smash Brothers. There is no substitute.
well...just read what OEM's packages of 1K chips run at. I think you will find that AMD's are cheaper for similar chips. Read the article, it says they produce cheaper... As to fewer customer returns, unreliability, etc...I don't know. personally I've had all kinds of trouble with Intel, but my Athlon 500 and 1.2-C have worked beautifully. (shrug). Just 2c...
I don't know for sure, but I would guess most terrorists are more interested in blowing people up than hacking. Kiddies and pranksters hack. Terrorists kill people. This isn't a tough one.
Now, if you are Education or Social or etc, that's fine. But what about Defense...that could hurt when someone finds a backdoor into weapons orders. Or Transportation...or just general integrity of systems. A good hacker that took out major Fed networks could cause major chaos, and open the door for terrorists. But Al Quaeda is never gonna post to a newsgroup that they hacked the DoE's computers. Or anything like that. They don't care. They want death. So i'm not too worried about terrorists...just idiots.
Folks,
Anyone remember the previous monopolies that were broken up? oil? phone services?
The economy took a little hit, yes. But look where they are now. I know this has been said a million times, but some people still don't know. Look at the Carnegies, or any old money family...anyone with stakes in a monopoly still did well when monopolies broke up.
With MS, ideally you would have an OS, Office, and Services-related division. Maybe a misc. apps one, too...for stuff like IE and winmedia. The last one, the misc. apps one, would go first...sure it is a monopoly, but when windows doesn't include IE or WMP without an added on charge, that will be a happy day for me. (shrug), i know i hate MS. I see what they've done, and what they do, their ideas and their ideals, their plans. How can you not hate them?
I predict the Services division will go next. Apache is free. Without a monopoly pushing IIS...
The rest will be history. A future where Linux is supported as much as MS is, is a good one to me...who pays for WinXP and all its crap (do i need to list it?) when you can get a nice stable Linux...a good, strong peice of justice here and 2 more years for linux to mature. Now that's a great future. Cheap OS's. Open apps. Computing for cheap. That's a good thing, in my opinion.
It's a fact, Microsoft made a deal with the US government....Ashcroft spoke. Gates spoke. We all know it happened.
But what was the deal? What did Microsoft give up to get full control of the Internet?
What did the government want from Microsoft, and what did Microsoft give them?
Was it merely a campaign contribution in the 2000 election?
Or did Microsoft promise to provide the government with access to all the information they accumulate in the Hailstorm database?
Did Microsoft give the government the power to censor websites they think are being used by terrorists? With that power will they be able to shut down sites like the NY Times or the Washington Post if they say things that compromise the government's war effort?
Will Microsoft support an Internet tax?
What else? These are just the ideas that occurred to me as I thought about the possibilities this morning. I'm sure there are others I haven't thought of.
(randomly played mp3 in winamp: Cold's "End of the World"...coincidence? a sign?)
Look, I hate Microsoft. I really don't like intel. Not because of their monopoly status in their realms, but because they use that monopoly status to leverage against the average user.
.NET service, pay as you go...their felonious practices...does this sound like a friendly company to you, to be loved? They are paranoid of linux, they hate it, but we traditionally love linux here at slashdot. Don't get me started on bootloader issues. Vaporeware, sales over quality software, visual changes to hide the lack of real improvement...They are in court for their abuse of monopolies...this isn't a tough observation. Microsoft is big, and mean, and therefore has bully/hated status here. And for good reason.
Microsoft has proved again and again that they don't really want to serve or help the customer. Their products aren't designed to be good per se, they are designed to sell. WinME for example, was a load of crap...it's just a couple of add-ons that could have been patched on to win98. Not sold as a totally new OS. If someone wanted its 'features' that bad. Their
Now, don't you remember 5 years ago...the good old Intel monopoly? No one else made good chips for PCs (Cyrix...ha...). Therefore, Intel charged millions. Chip prices were very high...twice what they are now. This competition from AMD has dropped prices for both sides to the floor. We love that. How can you not? Besides, Intel needed competition, and AMD has supplied that. Who doesn't love a company who is the underdog, taking on a high-priced monopoly, an underdog that has consistently has produced higher-performing chips at lower prices. This one isn't tough either. Is it?
I recommend a visit to Tom's Hardware to check out some benchmarking done on P4's and AthlonXP's. "comparable in some benchmarks" isn't accurate, but of course neither is the idea that the pentium 4 is blown away. Exaggeration is retarded; we are (or, should be) intellectually debating, not flaming. Yes, I am an idealist.
In reality, AMD's best chip can compete with and usually beat the P4. (shrug). that's the way it is. But, the point is that AMD's pricing is better, they are loved as the underdog (and not hated because of Intel's Monopoly Price Gouging ((tm), licenced from Microsoft).
Anyone remember the prices of Intel chips (especially high-end) before AMD came on the scene? I do. It was insane...the CPU was about half the system price. Now, I spend about $130 for a good chip, instead of $800. I attribute that to AMD. That is one of the reasons I love the company, that is why i drove 2 hours at 6 this morning to Detroit to their XPerience Tour to get a chance at a free chip and motherboard. People love AMD. No one 'loves' Intel.
And yeah, it was worth it, to hear the chant of, "INTEL SUCKS! INTEL SUCKS!"