...No paint, no minesweeper... I guess that means no solitaire. Sorry guys, i've just lost all interest in your silly project - it can never be a *real* windows clone. Sorry...
: ) In all serious this looks like a lot of fun, and I wish you guys the best.
At my school, every pc has a unique host name that corresponds to owner's username. Username corresponds to email address...
So i keep telling people they are infected, and to use either not Outlook, not MS, or just keep patched. "Will do!" several have said. I'm still getting yaha and krez. *sigh*...I tried to help.
I've switched monitors and even video cards with little difficulty - ie no editing text files. just pick some settings on a GUI configuration tool and go at it. mdk 9.0. *shrug*.
Actually windows users use windows, most of the time, because that's whats on the computer when they get it. i've dealt with the whole spectrum of users, from powerful, capable people to the guy who says "it's broken@!!!" when he tries to dialup while calling me on the phone. Most of these guys don't know about linux, or that windows != computer.
In my book, a good interface means that the video player doesn't crash when you press Fast-Forward, it plays all video files, and doesn't send usage statistics back to The Man.
Stability. Simple, basic interface. Plays all media files. GUI if you want it. Easy to learn, given a few minutes.
Ok, I struggled with getting every supposedly great media player for windows to work right, including iterations of WiMP and Quicktime. Don't talk to me about Realplayer. A different media player for every media.
So here ya go. Mplayer is just a media player. It opens every media you can think of - mplayer [file] and it just works. Period. Set it up to be the default media player in your pretty GUI file manager and you'll never think about it again.
Interaction is a bit different than usual, i'll admit, but it's intuitive and easy once you get used to it. Different != bad. Key-presses are faster than grabbing the mouse and pointing it at something, especially if you're watching a DVD and just want to reach over and slap the spacebar to pause, or hit an arrow key repeatedly to skip forward or back. Mplayer's key mappings are easy to remember and logical - q for quit, f for fullscreen, space for pause, and arrow keys to skip forward and back. You can even adjust audio playback sync to the video, if you learn a bit about it. I'd argue that the average "idiot*" user could learn it and love it just fine - especially since it's one media player, and one interface, for every video (even audio) file on his or her system.
Mplayer GUI's aren't that bad either, whiners...
: )
*Very few are idiots, and many learn fast...don't think that just because you and I can program that means everyone else is retarded.
Let's say that every day on the way to work, there's a guy on your walk that plays blues and jazz. He has a hat out, some people drop in money, but you don't, because he's doing it for free already, and you paying isn't going to make him play any better. So by paying, you get nothing. But you continue to enjoy his music.
A year goes by. He gets a little skinnier, almost sickly looking. He puts out a sign, "Playing Jazz for food money..."
Another year. He doesn't look so good, but the music is just as sweet. Again...You don't pay, you're getting music for free so why bother, your paying will get you nothing.
A week goes by. Your daily walk to work is a little less musical. You miss the funky tunes that the man was playing. Your day is a little less bright.
You ask around, and find out that the man died alone, of hunger. No more music for you or anyone else. Why? because you couldn't spare a dime because you didn't get that you were giving so that you could be given to. The GPL doesn't make Mandrake release all their code or ISOs on the internet - only to those they distribute to. They don't have to, but they do it because they really like this freedom-oriented idea of Open Source. And just maybe some people could give a little back...just maybe.
Careful now, there be lots of solaris-on-intel folks running around. They might come and slit your throat. And besides, Solaris is a nice OS...i'd use it over Windows if it had games. Dangit, its not cuz winXYZ has this or that, its the games that matter. *sigh*....
seems to me that they will vote for the really lousy bugs first...and then maybe on getting new packages. Thats how i interpreted it...
so the benefit is two-fold. They get voting-enabled bug-checkers and some cash to make it past teh tight points...not bad at all. maybe that new CEO is a smart guy after all...
Liquid audio was always a pain in the butt. Songs would be outside their "play dates" so after 6 months or whatever, your files would suddenly not play. Argh, they bit so hard. Death to Liquid Audio, thank you very much.
This guy knows it. I don't buy games just because I can play them on Linux. I buy games because I want them, and being able to play them on Linux is really nice, cuz I won't have to boot into that other operating system I keep around for gaming. But- I'm not gonna pay more money for a later game just so i can play it on Linux / Xbox / other system.
Go Blizzard's way with mac's: release a hybrid version and people just might pick it up.
Note: UK2K3 is one such game, I hear...which absolutely rocks. Go buy it.
Actually, the Athlon is a RISC CPU that translate x86 instructions into it's own instructions. I don't know if that is because it's based on the Alpha or not, but I had heard the above from some people who should know whether it was true or not.
i've never had problems with newegg or that chipset...2/2 times. *shrug*.
But I HAVE had troubles with PCChips, two boards, both awful, with onboard video etc, no support, and general crappiness. My Mom's PC that i didn't get to suggest any change about, and a friend of mine who's main questions was: how cheap is it for what sounds good? ARGH! PC chips is a whore.
So... ECS is PC-chips? huh. something new...
Liteon: I've never had problems. Maybe I'm lucky. never know.
PC-Chips, afaik, is not ECS,and their Sis board is very, very good. Somehow I doubt it is illegal...being sold online and all. I've had no problems and it's been more stable than other, more expensive boards I've used. Yeah...I build systems, I'm not just making this up.
Liteon was reviewed
by Linuxhardware.org, and it beat out several Plextor drives.Their products are solid and fast.
Chieftec, as far as I can tell, makes the cases that Alienware uses. Yeah. And the PS was by Foxconn, if you bothered to look.AMD approved.Where did you get 430 watts from?
So I don't know quite what you are talking about. I've built 2 systems essentially like the one above. I've checked up on the users, and both are completely satisfied, say the systems are stable and amazingly fast. You say 5400 RPMs is slow...ok, but where did you get any idea that I was talking about 5400 RPM? the one i listed was 7200 RPM.
One thing you missed, while you were bashing me - I forgot a video card. Buy a nice GeForce 2 or 3, they are nice...don't get an MX.
So, you can do it, you can build a nice, sweet system for about $600, if you do it yourself. It's much easier (and educational!) to do it that way. AMD's price/performance ration is quite nice, and I don't mind taking advantage of it.
And whatever burr got up your butt, I'm sorry. A little more background info, maybe?
you, sir, just said it best of anyone so far, IMO.
"Once the processors are available, applications will be written to take advantage of the larger word sizes. There's no way to tell what will happen."
Exactly. What can't you do on your PC now, fast enough? full-motion, real-time, uber-quality video editing? Molecular/weather/beer modelling? Compression? Encryption? Random CPU usage for fun?
That's why we need better computers - because you can do nearly _anything_ on a PC, given enough processing power. That's why they are so beautiful: general purpose computing rocks. In ten years, I will look at my 32-bit Athlon, and sigh, and remember the days...:D
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Dave_bsr's Law: Governing "when computers will be fast enough":
Computers will be fast enough, when, for every conceivable operation, system delay between user requests and proper system response is less than the human ability to resolve, eg, instantaneous.
Not instantaneous, as in.05 seconds (button click speed now now), no, I mean _instantaneous_, like when I push on my door and I see movement. When I write on paper and _instantly_ there is writing. Then, computers will be fast enough. And I don't just mean speed for mozilla, i mean processing real-time 3d bump-mapped, whooseyourdaddy environments. Yeah.
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Building a sweet, powerful, linux-ready system for ~$515? Priceless.
ps- If my math is off by a bit, sorry. And I never checked shipping, but newegg's is cheap. And, does anybody know about Turtle Beach Santa Cruz support under linux? Experience?
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...No paint, no minesweeper...
I guess that means no solitaire. Sorry guys, i've just lost all interest in your silly project - it can never be a *real* windows clone. Sorry...
: ) In all serious this looks like a lot of fun, and I wish you guys the best.
At my school, every pc has a unique host name that corresponds to owner's username. Username corresponds to email address...
So i keep telling people they are infected, and to use either not Outlook, not MS, or just keep patched. "Will do!" several have said. I'm still getting yaha and krez. *sigh*...I tried to help.
what do you mean by "bogged down"
by the way, battle pong is pretty fun.
I've switched monitors and even video cards with little difficulty - ie no editing text files. just pick some settings on a GUI configuration tool and go at it. mdk 9.0. *shrug*.
As a fellow VI'er who's pushed :Wq way too many times, your sig is cool.
hmmm...speed - mplayer is very fast.
No skins- check.
intuitive usability: left, right, spacebar, q, f - that's all the important keys.
small resource footprint. yup. mplayer is smaller than vi...well almost. Vim for sure... : )
Actually windows users use windows, most of the time, because that's whats on the computer when they get it. i've dealt with the whole spectrum of users, from powerful, capable people to the guy who says "it's broken@!!!" when he tries to dialup while calling me on the phone. Most of these guys don't know about linux, or that windows != computer.
In my book, a good interface means that the video player doesn't crash when you press Fast-Forward, it plays all video files, and doesn't send usage statistics back to The Man.
Stability. Simple, basic interface. Plays all media files. GUI if you want it. Easy to learn, given a few minutes.
Hmm...sounds like mplayer...
Ok, I struggled with getting every supposedly great media player for windows to work right, including iterations of WiMP and Quicktime. Don't talk to me about Realplayer. A different media player for every media.
So here ya go. Mplayer is just a media player. It opens every media you can think of - mplayer [file] and it just works. Period. Set it up to be the default media player in your pretty GUI file manager and you'll never think about it again.
Interaction is a bit different than usual, i'll admit, but it's intuitive and easy once you get used to it. Different != bad. Key-presses are faster than grabbing the mouse and pointing it at something, especially if you're watching a DVD and just want to reach over and slap the spacebar to pause, or hit an arrow key repeatedly to skip forward or back. Mplayer's key mappings are easy to remember and logical - q for quit, f for fullscreen, space for pause, and arrow keys to skip forward and back. You can even adjust audio playback sync to the video, if you learn a bit about it. I'd argue that the average "idiot*" user could learn it and love it just fine - especially since it's one media player, and one interface, for every video (even audio) file on his or her system.
Mplayer GUI's aren't that bad either, whiners...
: )
*Very few are idiots, and many learn fast...don't think that just because you and I can program that means everyone else is retarded.
Let's say that every day on the way to work, there's a guy on your walk that plays blues and jazz. He has a hat out, some people drop in money, but you don't, because he's doing it for free already, and you paying isn't going to make him play any better. So by paying, you get nothing. But you continue to enjoy his music.
A year goes by. He gets a little skinnier, almost sickly looking. He puts out a sign, "Playing Jazz for food money..."
Another year. He doesn't look so good, but the music is just as sweet. Again...You don't pay, you're getting music for free so why bother, your paying will get you nothing.
A week goes by. Your daily walk to work is a little less musical. You miss the funky tunes that the man was playing. Your day is a little less bright.
You ask around, and find out that the man died alone, of hunger. No more music for you or anyone else. Why? because you couldn't spare a dime because you didn't get that you were giving so that you could be given to. The GPL doesn't make Mandrake release all their code or ISOs on the internet - only to those they distribute to. They don't have to, but they do it because they really like this freedom-oriented idea of Open Source. And just maybe some people could give a little back...just maybe.
no kidding. i'm still whording 1 gig drivees for an old system i'm building...don't trash, re-use!
anecdotally: I've found some interesting 256-color pictures of girls on an old 386. Orange skin isn't quite sexy somehow...hmmmm....
$24 billion...good tax break, eh?
...bsr...
um.... URPMI? Mandrake's package system?
Perhaps you are being silly, but if not...
1. RPM compatibility...yup
2. GUI installation and package selection...yup
3. console install screen...yup...
so either you are joking or not using mdk to its fullest. Either way, your wish is here and yes, URPMI is schweet.
Careful now, there be lots of solaris-on-intel folks running around. They might come and slit your throat. And besides, Solaris is a nice OS...i'd use it over Windows if it had games. Dangit, its not cuz winXYZ has this or that, its the games that matter. *sigh*....
seems to me that they will vote for the really lousy bugs first...and then maybe on getting new packages. Thats how i interpreted it...
so the benefit is two-fold. They get voting-enabled bug-checkers and some cash to make it past teh tight points...not bad at all. maybe that new CEO is a smart guy after all...
Liquid audio was always a pain in the butt. Songs would be outside their "play dates" so after 6 months or whatever, your files would suddenly not play. Argh, they bit so hard. Death to Liquid Audio, thank you very much.
This guy knows it. I don't buy games just because I can play them on Linux. I buy games because I want them, and being able to play them on Linux is really nice, cuz I won't have to boot into that other operating system I keep around for gaming. But- I'm not gonna pay more money for a later game just so i can play it on Linux / Xbox / other system.
Go Blizzard's way with mac's: release a hybrid version and people just might pick it up.
Note: UK2K3 is one such game, I hear...which absolutely rocks. Go buy it.
that's a good wordplay. Mod's, even if you don't get it, I do...so mod the above up please. "Huevos in one basket..." hahahaha.
Actually, the Athlon is a RISC CPU that translate x86 instructions into it's own instructions. I don't know if that is because it's based on the Alpha or not, but I had heard the above from some people who should know whether it was true or not.
I know newegg's a pain for links...sorry.
i've never had problems with newegg or that chipset...2/2 times. *shrug*.
But I HAVE had troubles with PCChips, two boards, both awful, with onboard video etc, no support, and general crappiness. My Mom's PC that i didn't get to suggest any change about, and a friend of mine who's main questions was: how cheap is it for what sounds good? ARGH! PC chips is a whore.
So... ECS is PC-chips? huh. something new...
Liteon: I've never had problems. Maybe I'm lucky. never know.
Back to homework.
Well, while you're bashing me,
PC-Chips, afaik, is not ECS,and their Sis board is very, very good. Somehow I doubt it is illegal...being sold online and all. I've had no problems and it's been more stable than other, more expensive boards I've used. Yeah...I build systems, I'm not just making this up.
Liteon was reviewed by Linuxhardware.org, and it beat out several Plextor drives.Their products are solid and fast.
Chieftec, as far as I can tell, makes the cases that Alienware uses. Yeah. And the PS was by Foxconn, if you bothered to look.AMD approved.Where did you get 430 watts from?
So I don't know quite what you are talking about. I've built 2 systems essentially like the one above. I've checked up on the users, and both are completely satisfied, say the systems are stable and amazingly fast. You say 5400 RPMs is slow...ok, but where did you get any idea that I was talking about 5400 RPM? the one i listed was 7200 RPM.
One thing you missed, while you were bashing me - I forgot a video card. Buy a nice GeForce 2 or 3, they are nice...don't get an MX.
So, you can do it, you can build a nice, sweet system for about $600, if you do it yourself. It's much easier (and educational!) to do it that way. AMD's price/performance ration is quite nice, and I don't mind taking advantage of it.
And whatever burr got up your butt, I'm sorry. A little more background info, maybe?
Knew i forgot something. NO VIDEO CARD! ARGH! Still, you can get a decent one for under $85, keeping the price at $600. *shrug*. All Hail Newegg!
ha. good point. benchmarks? we don't need no STINKIN benchmarks!
you, sir, just said it best of anyone so far, IMO.
:D
"Once the processors are available, applications will be written to take advantage of the larger word sizes. There's no way to tell what will happen."
Exactly. What can't you do on your PC now, fast enough? full-motion, real-time, uber-quality video editing? Molecular/weather/beer modelling? Compression? Encryption? Random CPU usage for fun?
That's why we need better computers - because you can do nearly _anything_ on a PC, given enough processing power. That's why they are so beautiful: general purpose computing rocks. In ten years, I will look at my 32-bit Athlon, and sigh, and remember the days...
Dave_bsr's Law: Governing "when computers will be fast enough":
.05 seconds (button click speed now now), no, I mean _instantaneous_, like when I push on my door and I see movement. When I write on paper and _instantly_ there is writing. Then, computers will be fast enough. And I don't just mean speed for mozilla, i mean processing real-time 3d bump-mapped, whooseyourdaddy environments. Yeah.
Computers will be fast enough, when, for every conceivable operation, system delay between user requests and proper system response is less than the human ability to resolve, eg, instantaneous.
Not instantaneous, as in
Athlon 1600, newegg.com, $56
ECS K7S5A mobo, newegg.com, $54
512MB of kingston PC133 memory, newegg.com, $50
Maxtor 80GB HD, newegg.com, $110
Liteon 48-24-48 CDRW, newegg.com, $50
Chieftec 450W Tower, newegg.com, $55
SB Augigy+firewire, newegg.com, $60
floppy, NIC, etc, newegg.com, $30
Shipping, Fedex + newegg.com, $50 (approx)
Building a sweet, powerful, linux-ready system for ~$515?
Priceless.
ps- If my math is off by a bit, sorry. And I never checked shipping, but newegg's is cheap. And, does anybody know about Turtle Beach Santa Cruz support under linux? Experience?