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Feds Working to Stop Worms

mbenzi writes "This article from GovExec describes how the feds worked to prevent a worm that could have been orders of magnitude worse than Code Red. Short on details, but an interesting timeline."

248 comments

  1. But what will the birds eat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    And what will this do to the expression "The Early Bird Gets The Worm?"

    1. Re:But what will the birds eat? by A5un · · Score: 1
      And what will this do to the expression "The Early Bird Gets The Worm?"

      But why would worms come out so early to be eaten?
    2. Re:But what will the birds eat? by Red+Door · · Score: 1

      don't you mean what will the chickens eat? What the flock are they doing anyway... I heard today that Richard A. Clark has quit as the White House Cyber Terrorist Guru. It seem to have something to do with the latest Slammer Worm, the fact that Microsoft got his and that Microsoft also gave $24,000 to al Qaeda via a bogus charity as matching funds to some of their employees. I'm not sure why anyone is surprised. Win NT 5.0 was code named Cairo! I have a feeling that we are not through hearing about Microsoft and al Qaeda or other terrorist groups. Microsoft's accounting is so bad that a women employee managed to channel about $7 million into European accounts before she was caught. I guess that is just one of the breaks when you are so successful that no one has to maintian a budget. When it was released as Win 2000 all hell broke loose. The Upgrade to Win 2000 seems to have something to do with the rolling black outs in California, possible voting fraud in our elections and now it's even being suggested that maybe AOL Time Warners has taken a major hit from it too. Go figure. If not for all those backdoors in that software, the dot coms might not have gone bust.

  2. I saw this and thought of dune/star wars by AssFace · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm glad I can now walk through the desert without the sand worms attacking.

    thanks government!

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    There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
    1. Re:I saw this and thought of dune/star wars by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 4, Funny
      I'm glad I can now walk through the desert without the sand worms attacking

      With the upcoming Desert War II, President Bush wants to make sure that the Iraqis riding on sandworms won't be able to get behind our lines and cause horrofic dammage like they did before.

      There are also unconfirmed reports of a new spiritual leader who has been supplying them with rocket launchers and teaching them how to ambush the spi--, er, oil smugglers. Let's just hope there isn't a sand storm when Bush visits....

    2. Re:I saw this and thought of dune/star wars by giel · · Score: 2, Funny

      The FBI realized they are powerless if it comes down to fighting crime and terrorism and now decided to change their core business - make money from copyrights on crappy stories.

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    3. Re:I saw this and thought of dune/star wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot Tremors (staring Kevin Bacon). A truely wonderful film.

    4. Re:I saw this and thought of dune/star wars by neocon · · Score: 1

      The crackers broke into the wrong &#%@$! Rec Room?

    5. Re:I saw this and thought of dune/star wars by Hentai · · Score: 1

      There's a trick to that:

      Walk without rythm and you won't attract the worm.

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    6. Re:I saw this and thought of dune/star wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most white people do.

    7. Re:I saw this and thought of dune/star wars by neitzsche · · Score: 1

      What agency do you think ghost writes for the pseduonym Tom Clancy? It's a very similar style; I particularly like the sub-plot about the ficticious petite blonde agent with the big gun. Very intruiging.

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  3. Pointless by govtcheez · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sure, maybe they'll be able to stop one version of this, but more'll just pop up in its place; it's similar to the **AA trying to kill P2P - there's enough ingenuity in people that want to do wrong that they'll never be shut down completely.

    1. Re:Pointless by jorleif · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Pointless? How is hunting worms pointless? Just because there will appear new ones doesn't mean we shouldn't clean machines that still have Code Red or Nimda and try to correct security related bugs before some new worm exploits them.

      Your comparison to **AA is somehow off since **AA is more about a few big organisations wanting to control everybody while worms are something everybody except for a few individuals want to get rid of.

    2. Re:Pointless by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Troll

      It's all over, people! We don't have a prayer, argh...

      there's enough ingenuity in people that want to do wrong that they'll never be shut down completely.

      Who said anything about "completely"? The point is that they tracked down someone who thought they were anonymous, and there's a message there for every other script kiddie (as a sidenote: I found this story overstated the capabilities of this worm which is something that security people usually do basically as a roundabout way of patting themselves on the back). Personally I think that the Internet should become a UN-style governed entity and any country that doesn't actively pursue computer criminals should be barred from the global internet.

    3. Re:Pointless by jxs2151 · · Score: 1
      a UN-style governed entity

      Please, oh please tell me that you were kidding and I just didn't get it.

    4. Re:Pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. He was not kidding. More information concerning the United Nations bid to take control over the internet can be found here.

    5. Re:Pointless by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      It doesn't sound like he was kidding.

      Apparently he observed that the current approach to fighting "cybercrime" is (instead of building safe networks) to sic the FBI on them, and that this won't work if the attacker is outside of our jurisdiction.

      Therefore he hopes that really soon now, our jurisdiction can expand to swallow the entire planet.

      Pax Americana at last!

    6. Re:Pointless by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      This would almost make some sense if I were American.

  4. Who the heck wrote this? by Gentoo+Fan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    With a gang of zombies at his command, the creator of a superworm could mob a Web site or computer system, flooding it with bogus electronic transmissions until it drowned in the data torrent.

    Tens of thousands of computers containing now-dormant Leaves worms await instructions from their master. Should they ever again awaken, a posse will be waiting.

    With writing like this it sounds like someone trying to scare up funds to keep this department up and running.

    1. Re:Who the heck wrote this? by Foss · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or maybe it's early publicity for "Leaves: The Movie".

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    2. Re:Who the heck wrote this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny
      With writing like this it sounds like someone trying to scare up funds to keep this department up and running
      Either that, or Steve Gibson got ahold of some bad weed...
    3. Re:Who the heck wrote this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone know where the story is recounted with better writing? This is too painful to read.

      All this talk of Mafiaboy "letting his goons lose on Amazon and Ebay". Ugh.

    4. Re:Who the heck wrote this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Or maybe it's early publicity for "Leaves: The Movie".

      Tagline: "You'll be running for the backdoor!"

    5. Re:Who the heck wrote this? by First_In_Hell · · Score: 1
      now-dormant Leaves worms await instructions from their master. Should they ever again awaken, a posse will be waiting.

      Seriously, this sounds like text/dialog from a really bad Sci-Fi novel/movie. Invasion of the Body Snatchers 3 : The Leaves

      When the leaves awaken, they will take over the host and taker over the host forming one big network of conscienceness that will not stop until world domination is acheived!

    6. Re:Who the heck wrote this? by Entrope · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You think it is a laugh. People who spend 10 or 20 hours a week (of their spare time, more often than not) tracking down these viruses and the criminals behind them probably disagree.

      One of the largest IRC networks was recently humbled by attacks from worm-infected computers. Every other large IRC network deals with several new infections each week. It is only because the script kiddies (mostly) restrain their attacks to IRC, and because IRC admins go to great lengths to fight the worms, that more damage is not done by infected computers.

      IRC networks are particularly easy targets, since each server is usually run by separate person or company, and the FBI is not interested in investigating cases unless $5,000 of damages can be claimed by one group -- never mind if there are one or two thousand infected computers that could be wiped out by a malicious kiddie. If the criminals get better at hiding their tracks or their commands, they may become more brazen and attack bigger targets.

      Personally, I am glad that somebody in law enforcement is taking active steps to investigate and shut down these worms. They can actually punish the criminals behind the attacks. Private parties can, at most, disperse the botnet or terminate the attacker's account.

    7. Re:Who the heck wrote this? by tg_schlacht · · Score: 4, Funny

      With a gang of zombies at his command, the creator of a superworm could mob a Web site or computer system, flooding it with bogus electronic transmissions until it drowned in the data torrent.

      A smart worm could just post a link to the website it wants to bring down to Slashdot in an article made of carefuly crafted phrases built of buzzwords.

      So who needs a gang of zombies? Oh, wait.... nevermind.

    8. Re:Who the heck wrote this? by Blkdeath · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Personally, I am glad that somebody in law enforcement is taking active steps to investigate and shut down these worms.

      Personally, I wish they'd spend a little bit of the money on public education. Start giving basic "Home Internet Security: 101" type courses in high schools so that the new crop of wIdiots have atleast a little backing in knowledge to take home with them. Maybe they can secure their parents machines and have an immediate effect on the state of things.

      When you consider the sheer number of broadband subscribers in North America, and factor the number of them potentially vulnerable to any number of infiltration tactics, we can easily find ourselves facing 20k 1.5MBit connections. By my count, that makes for a LOT of aggregate bandwidth. DDoSs, information/identity theft are all infinitely possible.

      This story only goes to foster the need for knowledge; all it takes is one, or a small group of concerted individuals who plan their attacks carefully, and the Internet can be crippled to a degree that we haven't seen thus far.

      Corporations are another story. I believe firmly that they should be held fiscally responsible for the damage done at the behest of their bandwidth and servers. It's their responsibility to hire competent security personell to prevent attacks from using their larger-than-normal resources to aid in an attack. Maybe then competent IT people would suddenly find themselves facing thousands of job openings again, because it would be too expensive a risk for big companies not to have them on staff.

      Every connection with an educated person at the helm who keeps track of security updates and is mindful of what they install/run is one less connection that can be used to attack those of us who do take this care.

      </RANT>

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    9. Re:Who the heck wrote this? by John+Biggabooty · · Score: 2, Funny

      And now, Govexec's servers will be slashdotted, and they will think Mr. Leaves has struck!

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    10. Re:Who the heck wrote this? by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1
      Private parties can, at most, disperse the botnet or terminate the attacker's account.

      Some of those private parties are software developers, who can do a little more- they can fix insecurities, and prevent them from happening in the first place. The only longterm solutions to vulnerabilities.

      So far, though, it seems that developers (meaning primarily Microsoft) still don't pay enough attention to security.

      Why not? Because the marketplace doesn't value secure software, so they aren't punished for not providing it.

      Why doesn't the market value security? Because they think government departments like the one described will protect them, instead of relying on their software vendor or themselves.

      By providing these hardworking "cybercrime" specialists, the government accomplishes 3 things:
      • Expend tax dollars.
      • Promote (subsidize) insecure developers (Microsoft) over safer ones (BSD, Mac, Linux...)
      • Reduce the economic infrastructure's future resistant to future attacks based in foreign countries. The FBI has little jurisdiction in South Korea, and none to speak of in China.


      I'm not saying that no crime committed on a computer should be punished- but that both the level of effort put into hunting, and the amount of punishment allocated should be reduced.
    11. Re:Who the heck wrote this? by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      It looks like we found out what happened to Jon Katz...

    12. Re:Who the heck wrote this? by Col.+Panic · · Score: 1

      I had the same thought. It reads like a Tom Clancy novel. I wondered, "Gee, w32.leaves.worm must be a pretty serious threat from the sound of it." Then I read this. Feh.

      btw the author was Shane Harris.

    13. Re:Who the heck wrote this? by shess · · Score: 1

      Personally, I wish they'd spend a little bit of the money on public education. Start giving basic "Home Internet Security: 101" type courses in high schools so that the new crop of wIdiots have atleast a little backing in knowledge to take home with them.

      Or maybe they could spend it on a couple civics courses, so that people started thinking of us as a society that might like to be cohesive, rather than all against all.

    14. Re:Who the heck wrote this? by djrogers · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Personally, I wish they'd spend a little bit of the money on public education. Start giving basic "Home Internet Security: 101" type courses in high schools so that the new crop of wIdiots have atleast a little backing in knowledge to take home with them. Maybe they can secure their parents machines and have an immediate effect on the state of things.


      I worked for a Police Dept. in California for a few years, and one of the things we did was something like this. While it was targeted at parents and more directed towards stopping cyber-molesters, we did cover basic computer security. Looking back, perhaps it would have been a good idea to spend more time on that...
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    15. Re:Who the heck wrote this? by catman · · Score: 1
      I took a look at the Symantec page. Note halfway down the page:

      In addition, for all operating systems:

      It adds the value

      icqrun C:\WINDOWS\regsv.exe

      to the key

      HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Mirabilis\ICQ\Agent\A pp s\
      It creates the keys

      HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Classes\Scandisk\i38 6\ i

      HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Classes\Scandisk\i38 6\ s


      Really? all operating systems? Somehow I don't think so ..
    16. Re:Who the heck wrote this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speak not the beast's name lest he appear again anew.

    17. Re:Who the heck wrote this? by Col.+Panic · · Score: 1

      "for all operating systems"

      spits

      missed that. yeesh

    18. Re:Who the heck wrote this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is important that if people put up private IRC servers, they should password protect them to control access.

      So many put these things up, and don't pay attention to the fact that they are easy to find.

      So if you put one up, at least take the responsibility to secure it and control how it's used.

  5. Don't forget Beetlejuice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those worms looked tough.

  6. AUGHH! buzzword compliant! by Maeryk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "some of the most brilliant hackers in the world"?

    SInce when are Skript Kiddeez brilliant hackers?

    This article is stupefyingly filled with crap.. the whole alliterative narrative to make a "worm" into something more than a program is scary. "Clones" rather than "copies" "larva" rather than "small". "zombies" "Slither" "poisonous venom".

    Ye ghods.. is this a tech article, or color text for a M:TG card?

    maeryk

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    1. Re:AUGHH! buzzword compliant! by Walterk · · Score: 1

      I agree, this kind of articles make computers more scarey than they are, plus they act like all computers are vulnerable.

      This is written as a fairy tale, and something I'll tell my children (if I ever do have some) when I want to keep them awake all night.

    2. Re:AUGHH! buzzword compliant! by HiQ · · Score: 3, Funny

      GovExec.com is government's business news daily and the premier Web site for federal managers and executives
      So now that you know the targeted audience, does the normal-text:crap ratio make more sense now??

    3. Re:AUGHH! buzzword compliant! by First_In_Hell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I get it, people who do not know jack shite about anything computer related like to feel smart by using/reading buzz words.

    4. Re:AUGHH! buzzword compliant! by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      and they'll say 'yeah sure dad, no-one uses worm viruses anymore, they're rubbish'

    5. Re:AUGHH! buzzword compliant! by bigberk · · Score: 1
      I get it, people who do not know jack shite about anything computer related like to feel smart by using/reading buzz words.

      Unfortunately, these people "matter a lot" because they're the ones signing the check$

    6. Re:AUGHH! buzzword compliant! by Bonker · · Score: 1

      From the article:

      It took Marcus Sachs, a cyber soldier from a Pentagon unit trained to attack foreign networks, to bridge the suspicion gap. Sachs dazzled the room with his observations and theories about Leaves. With casual command of hacker lingo and the history of worms and their attacks, he demonstrated both the expertise of the government corps and the urgency of defeating this unique and dangerous foe.

      And...

      Assigned to the infrastructure protection center, Jupina, 36, was well-versed in cyber jargon.

      So, basically, all the equipment you really need to be a government computer crime fighter is an education in 'cyber jargon' and l33+ 5p34|.

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    7. Re:AUGHH! buzzword compliant! by edbarrett · · Score: 1
      l33+ 5p34|

      "leet speal"? Great, now in addition to the (nonexistant) English spell checker, we need a hax0r one too.

    8. Re:AUGHH! buzzword compliant! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, these people "matter a lot" because they're the ones signing the check$

      You aint lyin brother!

      Overheard here, at a "fortune 500" company, with quite the server base:

      MIS Manager in highly paid position: "So I figure we will use SAMBA to control user access from the 2000 servers to the Unix servers."

      *nix migration team member: "Uhh.. Samba is a file sharing application allowing people to mount remote directories and files.. kind of like "Network Neighborhood".. you cant really use it to control user access on a server."

      Manager: (looking imperious) "Is that a statement or a question?"

      Us: Blank looks and attempts to stifle a giggle.

      not 20 minutes later a memo appeared that said manager had decided to use SMB to control access to the Unix machines, so they were "Just as secure as the 2000 machines"

      These people get paid a lot of money. The Peter Principle is well at work in corporate america. Dilbert is a prophet.

    9. Re:AUGHH! buzzword compliant! by Bonker · · Score: 1

      No, slash just hid my angle bracket for me. If you look at the source, it's still there, being treated as broken html. If I had used a &lt, it would have worked. Hehehe

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    10. Re:AUGHH! buzzword compliant! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Skript Kiddeez
      1BB
      Creature - L337 H4x0r

      T: Remove target IRC server from net

      Skript Kiddeez gets -1/-1 for every non-token female in play.

      "LEAVE B4 U R EXPUNGED" --Acid Burn
      1/1
      4/145
      Common

  7. Finally... by itallushrt · · Score: 1

    Our hard earned tax dollars at work on something somewhat beneficial.

    The question is will the "Feds" be at least somewhat successful in their attempts to thwart future worms and other virii?

    1. Re:Finally... by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh yes, very beneficial.

      Jokers say that Linux contributors are doing free development for IBM. So now the US Government is doing free research for Microsoft.

      The question is will the "Feds" be at least somewhat successful in their attempts to thwart future worms and other virii?

      The answer is no. By squelching this "attack" (if they really did), they've just allowed Joe Public to continue postponing learning about putting his money into secure computer systems.

  8. Oh dear god... by gdav · · Score: 1

    "It slithered inside the machines and spewed venomous strings of data that threw its victims into electronic shock."

  9. Not really karmawhoring by KjetilK · · Score: 0, Informative

    I'm not really karmawhoring, because I hit the Karma Kap long ago, I'm just linking to the Warhol Worm... :-)

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  10. The best way to prevent worms by wackybrit · · Score: 1, Funny

    Biology and technology meet again. To prevent pinworms..

    1) Wash your hands after you wipe!
    2) Don't share TP.
    3) Don't bite your nails or suck your thumbs.
    4) Vacuum your floors to wipe out stray eggs.

    And in the world of your computer?

    1) Don't run contaminated files.
    2) Don't share logins or run as Administrator.
    3) Don't run attachments in your mail if you don't know what they are.
    4) Use a virus scanner.

    You can learn so much from real life. You wouldn't lick your ass if you had worms would you? So why would you run an attachment in an unknown e-mail!?

    1. Re:The best way to prevent worms by Mike+Connell · · Score: 2, Funny
      You wouldn't lick your ass if you had worms would you?

      I wouldn't do it - with or without worms!

    2. Re:The best way to prevent worms by govtcheez · · Score: 1

      > I wouldn't do it - with or without worms!

      ::hangs head:: You wouldn't - some of us can't
      ;)

    3. Re:The best way to prevent worms by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 1
      I wouldn't [lick my ass] - with or without worms!

      You're missing out, fella. You're really missing out.

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  11. Very melodramatic ... But.... by joelwest · · Score: 1

    Very melodramatic article written like a cheap potboiler. Unfortunately it was very short on details and new information...

    1. Re:Very melodramatic ... But.... by Bendebecker · · Score: 1

      Didn't you just love how they try to make these guys sound cool? I especially was amused by the description of the fed who has crap on his shelf that he thinks are some sort of trophies. I agree with you completely on your observation: it's as melodramatic as an old western and as informative as a Absolut Vodka advertisement.

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  12. Feel free to use this--- by paiute · · Score: 1

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    2. Re:Feel free to use this--- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lost any socks lately?

    3. Re:Feel free to use this--- by JPelorat · · Score: 1

      Yes! They just disappear!! Honestly, you'd think someone was coming in, stealing the damn things, and then selling them off.

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    4. Re:Feel free to use this--- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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      "Hoy, come on out here, you rollicking trolloping sauce bottle!"

    5. Re:Feel free to use this--- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a cunning plan to restore my lost karma.

  13. A teensy bit over-dramatic. by kahei · · Score: 3, Insightful
    the most seasoned and cunning code crackers, worm gurus and cyber soldiers from government and industry



    Like all worms, Leaves bored through cyberspace, probing Internet connections for holes in personal computers or Web servers. It slithered inside the machines and spewed venomous strings of data that threw its victims into electronic shock.


    I had all sorts of witty comments to make on this, but I just deleted them because it's all too pathetic.

    I guess the point is to impress on people that cyberspace, too, is just like a big ol' Hollywood movie with good ol' Uncle Sam well in control. Or something.

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    1. Re:A teensy bit over-dramatic. by Xerithane · · Score: 1
      I had all sorts of witty comments to make on this, but I just deleted them because it's all too pathetic.

      I definitely had at leats one flippant remark per paragraph. Who has the idea to write Shane Harris an email explaining that this article just made him, and everyone (with possibly the exception of Jupina, who actually did something productive) look like a complete incompotent ass.

      I'm sorry, but how hard is it to track a worm that goes into an IRC channel. The part that really cracked me up is this:

      The Leaves code was a jumbled mess. It was encrypted and compressed--data had been squeezed together to save space.

      Apparently the FBI needs to learn what a compiled binary is, it must have been really hard for them to understand what all those funny characters were.

      That's one shot I can't resist making.
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    2. Re:A teensy bit over-dramatic. by markogogo · · Score: 1

      Apparently the FBI needs to learn what a compiled binary is, it must have been really hard for them to understand what all those funny characters were.

      So I guess in Canada we have similar law enforcement. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) can catch MafiaBoy, but they won't get rid of their horses.

      I'm sorry, but how hard is it to track a worm that goes into an IRC channel.

      It depends on what kind of information is being passed, if any, through an IRC channel. The worms could have easily made DCC (Direct Client-to-Client) connections to other worms. DCC only requires a server connection to initiate. If the server dies, the DCC connection continues to stay alive.

    3. Re:A teensy bit over-dramatic. by kahei · · Score: 1

      Hmm... it *does* make them look silly... now, how can we make them look even *more* silly? I wonder if I shoulg try and do a MST3K-ing of this...

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    4. Re:A teensy bit over-dramatic. by Xerithane · · Score: 1

      It depends on what kind of information is being passed, if any, through an IRC channel. The worms could have easily made DCC (Direct Client-to-Client) connections to other worms. DCC only requires a server connection to initiate. If the server dies, the DCC connection continues to stay alive.

      So you have a P2P worm, that communicates DCC.. that's fine, you still will know the listener port and can reverse engineer the communication protocol with the amount of packets you'd receive.

      If the ports mutate to a schedule, you can definitely figure out what the schedule is. The DCC route would make it harder to trace, but still I wouldn't think it's anything that would be such a daunting task for the FBI... if so I think I may go into a career as a black hat because they would be incompotent retards.

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  14. Is this the first draft of the new ... by CSG_SurferDude · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is this the first draft of the new Michael Crichton novel?

    I found the plot rather thin, the characters unbelievably one-dimensional, and the ending was far to pat and convenient to believe.

    Actually, it reads like most of his novels.

    1. Re:Is this the first draft of the new ... by kelleher · · Score: 1

      One-dimensional characters... yeah, sounds like Crichton.

  15. Feds Working To Stop Worms by SuperDuG · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Sandworms, they're the worst kind

    In all seriousness I don't understand how they can tell if a worm was "more serious" than code red. The best thing about most worms is that most of them are "so wonderful" that they leave out a few details and never make it anywhere but the authors test system.

    It's not worms I'm afraid of, it's next gen virii. With problem solving and logic bots that use AI it's just a matter of time before you train a program to do malicious things and give it multiple ways of accomplishing one goal of infection with a prime directive of selfpreservation, that would be the 'ultimate' worm.

    We've all seen the AI programs ability to play chess, and that is impressive all in itself, can you imagine the same type of system loaded with every exploit ever documented, and then the ability to gain access via that list? Or imagine if somehow the program were able to recieve the notices of bugs (Cert, bugtraq, errata, and MS) and then learn of new potentially unpatched systems.

    The problem would be not implementing the worm, nor stopping, but finding a reason for it's existence. Would it be used as a proof-of-concept only to be more horribly enacted in version 2? Would it be used for a massive DDoS attack on key internet systems thus disabling the net for a small amount of time? Or would the system dump all valueable information on a centralized server and then essentially commit suicide?

    The only problem is how could this bug be 'harmful' to a host system if the prime directive was self perseverance? It's a little bit too deep of thinking for a friday morning, but we have yet to see what virii are actually capable of.

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    Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
    1. Re:Feds Working To Stop Worms by jorleif · · Score: 1

      The only problem is how could this bug be 'harmful' to a host system if the prime directive was self perseverance?

      This is so very true. I wonder how many virii just sit on thousands of computers doing absolutely nothing except for spreading slowly. Detecting such a virus would be very difficult if it doesn't cause lots of network traffic or leave other similar traces.

      The next gen virii you mention sound a lot like the worms described in this this k5 article. But should viruses evolve to something like this, I still think that it would be possible to protect systems from them. It would take more powerful means and might need systems to be more isolated from networks around them but I certainly think it would be possible (By somehow sandboxing everything coming in from a network, treating programs that are not from the original install as tainted and sandbox them as well etc.).

    2. Re:Feds Working To Stop Worms by Infamous+Tim · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But consider the size requirements of such a virus. Today's viruses are what, 200kb? I personally think that's absolutely HUGE. These are pretty sophisticated virii, yes, but when you go to start adding AI and all of the memory and data structures to dynamically make decisions, that will puff up the size of the virus/worm to where it's noticable.
      Some of the smarter virii of old could change the entries in the FAT tables to make their program appear to be very small, or the same size as the file they were trying to "replace." I haven't really heard any of this going on with these worms, they don't seem sophisticated enough. Come to think of it, they really don't seem that sophisticated at all.
      I guess what I'm getting at is that users are going to start noticing when a virus tacks on 1.2 MB to their file download. Or perhaps I give the average user way too much credit.

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      checking for libvirus... no
      ERROR, libvirus.so not found, terminating
    3. Re:Feds Working To Stop Worms by paiute · · Score: 1

      You are assuming that the virus brings all its tools with it. What if, as a biological virus does, the virus comes in and uses existing tools?

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    4. Re:Feds Working To Stop Worms by Infamous+Tim · · Score: 3, Funny

      $ cd leaves_worm
      $ ./configure
      checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
      checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes
      checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no
      checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes
      checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
      checking for ranlib... (cached) ranlib
      checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/bin/ginstall -c
      checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E
      checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
      checking for libvirus... no
      checking for alternate virus libraries /usr/lib/libvirus /usr/local/lib/libvirus /lib/modules/current/libvirus ... no
      ERROR, libvirus.so not found, terminating

      --
      checking for libvirus... no
      ERROR, libvirus.so not found, terminating
    5. Re:Feds Working To Stop Worms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, if you want to sound smart, you probably shouldn't make up words like "virii".

    6. Re:Feds Working To Stop Worms by bheerssen · · Score: 1

      Seems to me a virus would only need to transmit a small part of itself. That small part could then download and install the rest of itself from the net - slowly. You could then have a massive, intelligent worm that would not be noticeable untill it goes active.

      Imagine, Joe User receives a virus in an email attachment and executes it. It doesn't seem to do anything right away and Joe never notices. All it does is install enough of itself to run the first time.

      Then, at an opportune moment, it downloads more code for itself along with a long list of exploits for various types of machines. Now, it can cast about the net looking for machines vulnerable to any to any of those exploits. It could even access a list of new exploits by connecting to irc and downloading them from a bot. By carefully covering it's tracks and only going active when the machine is otherwise not being used, it can remain undetected for some time, slowly looking for machines to infect. After a sufficient number of machines have been compromised, the network could then be used to do all sorts of nasty things.

      Pretty much the same thing that some current worms do, but smarter. Capable of infecting a much wider selection of vulnerable computers.

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    7. Re:Feds Working To Stop Worms by JahToasted · · Score: 1

      Or maybe the virus AI could be ditributed across many systems... virus@home. It would give the virus a lot more processing power which would be necessary for a sufficiently intelligent AI. We already have distributed computing projects, we have p2p networks with no centralised servers, the only piece of the puzzle that's missing is the AI tech, but that's coming. And of course we'd need a genius to bring everything together... this is well beyond the ablities of the script kiddies we have today.

    8. Re:Feds Working To Stop Worms by stephenbooth · · Score: 1

      Firstly I think that you're giving the average user too much credit. Secondly I'd envisage the virus having a small infecting agent that then downloaded what it needed on demand to infect other systems, perhaps using P2P methodology.

      The case zero (the initial infection) would probably have to be manually placed. It would then track what other systems are known to the machine it's on and identify them. It would then download, from the source machine, the code it needed to crack into the systems it found (possibly including versions of the infecting agent for other OS's, so an infected Windows machine could infect a Linux machine for example). Each infected machine logs into an IRC channel and advertises itself and what it has interms of exploits and other info. When a new exploit is found the writer can distribute the code to a few of the infected machines via the IRC channel and then those will distribute to the rest of the machines on demand or when ever a machine is idle but connected. If an infected machine locates a victim machine it doesn't know how to crack it can ask for the required exploits on the IRC channel. Very little true AI would be required as all each install needs to do is identify target systems and download the rule sets and codes to crack them. Rule/code sets that haven't been used in a while could be removed to minimise disk space usage and therefore reduce the chance of detection.

      Individually the file sizes and downloads could be quite small (tens to hundreds of K) and could even be timed to take place during idle time and to suspend when the machine is in use to resume when it goes idle again.

      Stephen

      --
      "Don't write down to your readers, the only people less intelligent than you can't read" - Sign on Newspaper Office Wall
    9. Re:Feds Working To Stop Worms by Orne · · Score: 1

      Agreed. In my recent years at work, I have adopted the Microsoft Visual Basic language as my primary scripting language, for pretty much doing anything related to reporting database data. Once you've researched enough tricks, you begin to understand how powerful a tool you have...

      Many people here at Slashdot like to bash on VB (as did I, until I played with Macromedia Director, and scripted myself a 10 minute interactive software demo)... and after learning how to poke the registry, read/write files, touch databases, probe the 'net, all sorts of stuff, all of which is scripted, and standardized.

      I would think that the penultimate scripted virus should be one that, like the genetic variety, has the abilty to self-modify to avoid detection. Remember, virus scanner software is just a glorified pattern-match... this this file contain this segment of code that matches a segment in my database. So, if you could change your code on the fly, as only scripts can, then you could avoid the scanners blocking your code.

      To explain, let's assume the virus is in file X. Within the code for the virus, it can generate a copy Y that is equally infecting. A script is basically variable names and values.. well what if you could randomly generate variable names, of arbitrary length, then at run-time, search-and-replace to generate copy Y with the new names. The document would have all of the functionality of the original X, but would have difference checksums, function names, variable names, with potentially different registry keys to spread... but the core program would produce the same output. The drawback is a virus checker could still detect the patterns in the system-call functions (which obviously cannot be renamed, or they would no longer link properly to the DLLs) and that could define the virus.

      Or, maybe encase the code in a randomized ROT-# (which is easy for scripts to process)... Or use UUENCODE notation, and store everything as alphanumerics of its ASCII codes... but you would still have a stub of code that does the decoding, and you have to worry about that being tracked. Ah well.

    10. Re:Feds Working To Stop Worms by PD · · Score: 1

      Forget the virii, I'm concerned about the viruses.

    11. Re:Feds Working To Stop Worms by jred · · Score: 1

      You (and all the responses) should read a book called "ME". It's basically an AI experiment gone awry. It starts as a gov. funded research project, which infiltrates comp systems by first throwing a small attack phage at it, then making room for the bulk of the AI. Which then optimizes the current system & uses the spare cycles, which has the interesting effect of making the infected system run faster & smoother :)

      Anyway, it's a great book. I just wish I could remember the author.

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      jred
      I'm not a mechanic but I play one in my garage...
    12. Re:Feds Working To Stop Worms by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      I would think that the penultimate scripted virus should be one that, like the genetic variety,

      Why would that be the next-to-last virus ever created?

      A script is basically variable names and values.. well what if you could randomly generate variable names, of

      Actually at some point, the script will really need to come down to system calls. Just assigning variables all day long won't accomplish much.

      search-and-replace to generate copy Y with the new names.

      Both this trick, and countermeasures like you mentioned, have been happening for years. Or does the phrase "polymorphic virus" not ring a bell?

    13. Re:Feds Working To Stop Worms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The author was Thomas T. Thomas

    14. Re:Feds Working To Stop Worms by broter · · Score: 1
      Sandworms, they're the worst kind

      But if we walk without rhythm...

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      "One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place."
      - Mick Travis, "If..."
  16. Aspiring screenwriter by Alex+Reynolds · · Score: 1

    Doesn't this article read like a really cheesy episode of "Law and Order"?

  17. Your tax dollars at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    to deal with the security problems that Microsnot will not. Ya gotta love it. Maybe they could send the bill to Bill and get a piece of his billions instead of taking so much of my family's resources and trying to fix everything on the planet. And now this too.

  18. This is Microsoft's Job by jblaze · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why are we paying to have the government fix Microsoft's bugs?

    1. Re:This is Microsoft's Job by fjin · · Score: 1

      I hope the Feds are billing the Microsoft of their services.

  19. Spin-Doctored by Infamous+Tim · · Score: 1

    I don't know, seems to have quite the spin on it, almost a dramatic flair not usually found in normal reports. "But there was a hitch. The private experts were uneasy. Could they trust the G-men?" Whoever wrote this probably wasn't going for academic excellence in reporting.
    There's also a similiar and much better article here on the Gibson Research Corp website. It's qutie a bit less fantastical and more technical. And LONG!

    --
    checking for libvirus... no
    ERROR, libvirus.so not found, terminating
    1. Re:Spin-Doctored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    2. Re:Spin-Doctored by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      Of course not, it's basically an "industry" magazine for government execs, which focuses on how great it is to be a government exec.

      Just like if you read "Janitors Weekly" it would make cleaning up vomit sound like a thrilling adventure. Or how the "Linux Journal" makes configuring X server sound like an exciting, dynamic way to spend your day.

      (No offense intended to janitors)

      You don't get so much news from such rags as a bit of self-affirmation.

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      I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
    3. Re:Spin-Doctored by Infamous+Tim · · Score: 1

      Isn't Slashdot here to seek NEWS articles, not propoganda? I agree that this has some value to it, and I'd never really heard of the leaves worm. I did learn some information here, but this article has very little technical value to it. It reminds me of something like Beowulf, only not nearly as well written.

      --
      checking for libvirus... no
      ERROR, libvirus.so not found, terminating
    4. Re:Spin-Doctored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you! I'm so sick and tired of people listening to that moron!!

  20. Parden me.. by SL33Z3 · · Score: 2, Funny

    But isn't it interesting that the words "fed" and "worm" appear in the same sentence for a GOOD reason this time?

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    SL33ZE - Artificial Intelligence is No Match For Natural Stupidity -
  21. Re:maybe they should install windows 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What an incredibly useless and stupid post, devoid of all humor or purpose.

  22. Already something worse than Code Red... by LordYUK · · Score: 4, Funny

    they call it Pepsi Blue.

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    This is my sig. Its pathetic.
  23. M*A*S*H by Red+Rocket · · Score: 1, Funny


    "Frank Burns Eats Worms"
    and he's already on the government payroll.

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    - Hail to our fearless misleader! Fool speed ahead!
  24. "Mmmmm Propaganda Articles" - H. Simpson by Dolemite_the_Wiz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is is me or does this article read like the cross between a propaganda article, a typical narrative from a Batman TV episode ("Will our heros be able to complete the task? Stay Tuned Bat-Fans!!!"), and a recruitment Ad for the FBI, CIA, or any of the Armed forces?

    Dolemite

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    Save the World! Use a Quote!
    1. Re:"Mmmmm Propaganda Articles" - H. Simpson by skillet-thief · · Score: 1

      It is interesting that any mainstream coverage of worms, virii etc. always uses metaphors of strength or power, whereas in the geek world one talks about system weaknesses, exploits etc. It's a way to put all the blame on the "Enemy", and not any on the "Good guys" (ie. your friendly software company). The same discourse is relayed by mainstream security companies like Norton. I don't know how it would have to happen, but it seems like good things would come along if we could get the public at large to think in terms of weak programs rather than bad viruses.

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      Congratulations! Now we are the Evil Empire

    2. Re:"Mmmmm Propaganda Articles" - H. Simpson by noahm · · Score: 1
      It does read like propaganda, but I have to wonder about the target audience of Government Executive Magazine. I don't think it reaches the type of people you'd like to influence with propaganda...

      Who knows. The story was certainly amusing, in any case.

      noah

  25. The Good Grace of Virus Writers by clone22 · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Is the only thing preventing total chaos in corporate and government IT infrastructures. Can anyone name one thing that is a greater threat to national security than Microsoft's software?

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    Ask me about my vow of silence!
    1. Re:The Good Grace of Virus Writers by ceejayoz · · Score: 1
      Can anyone name one thing that is a greater threat to national security than Microsoft's software?
      • 90% of the world hating us
      • Awful border security
      • The CIA and FBI letting interservice rivalries stop info sharing
      • etc. etc. etc.

      Compare that to MS software. "Oh, someone got into the unimportant computer connected to the internet that we forgot to patch. Oh well, all the important stuff is separated by an air gap anyways - no biggie!" I'd imagine the US is worried more about these people who seem to be able to walk out with laptops and hard drives with impunity.

      Saying that MS is the biggest threat to national security is just laughable.
    2. Re:The Good Grace of Virus Writers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Can anyone name one thing that is a greater threat to national security than Microsoft's software?

      Yes. Installed Microsoft software.

      Remember kids: Only you can prevent Microsoft installations.

  26. Re:Now Presenting.....The Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The Leaves code was a jumbled mess. It was encrypted and compressed--data had been squeezed together to save space. Mr. Leaves, as some in the posse had begun calling the worm's creator, knew his creation would be captured. He ensured the worm wouldn't easily give up its secrets. Kuo ripped apart layers of code with powerful programs to reveal the deeper truths Leaves was hiding.
    Translation:
    upx -d leaves.exe
    I can't believe how sensationalistic this article is. Sounds like just the type of propaganda I'd expect from a government who wants like anything to display a need to "control" the internet...
  27. Fiction writing contest? by TheConfusedOne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ye gads that was horrible. This has to be my favorite bit of hyperbole:
    Worms were the most vicious new beasts to stalk the Internet.

    I think Morris would have a few words of disagreement about that.

    So, we have a section: Early July.

    Then the next section: Second Week of July which starts
    Weeks passed.

    And, to top it all off we go over to McAfee and search and get the following:
    Search Results
    We found no records matching the following criteria:
    Virus name containing "leaves".


    This has to be BS of the first and worst order.

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    --- I wish I could hear the soundtrack to my life. That way I'd know when to duck.
    1. Re:Fiction writing contest? by hcdejong · · Score: 1

      The virus does exist.

    2. Re:Fiction writing contest? by Reziac · · Score: 1

      In addition to the other reply's link, see also http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc /data/w32.leave.worm.html (beware the slashdot space)

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    3. Re:Fiction writing contest? by TheConfusedOne · · Score: 1

      Thanks.

      Guess I should have left the 's' off of the query. Reading the two descriptions certainly doesn't give any impression of "a worm worse than Code Red" however. Heck, it only achieves worm status by looking for machines that have already been SubSeven trojaned.

      If anything, this would tend to lend more credence to the "giant snowjob" label for this article.

      (Actually, the whole thing read like a bad CSI script.)

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      --- I wish I could hear the soundtrack to my life. That way I'd know when to duck.
  28. Paranoid??? by Damon+C.+Richardson · · Score: 1

    Has anyone thought that this could be the work of the government? It could just be that the government is putting there little spy boxes in place and fooking up the job.

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    Last one in jail is a fascist.
  29. Jeeze... by pubjames · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So the best government executives in the USA act like secret agents in cheap pulp detective novels?

    Perhaps they should try:

    a) alterting businesses and organisations that have vulnerable systems.
    c) naming and shaming software manufacturers with poor security processes.

    But I guess fighting faceless villans with wicked plots to destroy the world is a lot more fun.

    It's not quite as exciting when you realise that most of the villans are actually just naughty children.

    1. Re:Jeeze... by Havokmon · · Score: 1
      a) alterting businesses and organisations that have vulnerable systems.

      So all of a sudden all the bots you're controlling stop responding and disappear?

      Yeah, I'm sure then you'll go right back to what you were doing, so the FBI can nab you.

      But I guess fighting faceless villans with wicked plots to destroy the world is a lot more fun.

      You're suggestion to 'just remove the worm' would give the author notice that the feds were on to him.

      It's not quite as exciting when you realise that most of the villans are actually just naughty children.

      So what? They still need to be stopped. That's like just painting over grafitti everyday instead of preventing it, or finding the perps.

      --
      "I can't give you a brain, so I'll give you a diploma" - The Great Oz (blatently stolen sig)
    2. Re:Jeeze... by pubjames · · Score: 1

      You're suggestion to 'just remove the worm' would give the author notice that the feds were on to him.

      I never said "just remove the worm". I was talking about general policy towards security. The government seems to do a lot of trying to catch "hackers", but I don't see them doing so many practical things to prevent these problems in the first place.

      So what? They still need to be stopped.

      Or alternatively, the root causes could be addressed. When a mischevious 14 year old school kid can cause hundreds of millions of dollars of expense just by messing around, then the kid isn't really the problem, is it?

    3. Re:Jeeze... by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      You're suggestion to 'just remove the worm' would give the author notice that the feds were on to him.

      Or that Norton/MacAfee/Microsoft was on to him. Or he might think the sysadmin was on to him. Or that the user had randomly reinstalled windows. Or he'd even forget he'd ever hit that computer.

      That's like just painting over grafitti everyday instead of preventing it

      Invalid comparison.

      When performing grafitti, the perp need physical proximity to the target. Therefore physical protection (a cop on patrol) can be effective.

      To write a worm, you needn't be anywhere near the target. Therefore protections which boil down to "pull out your gun and grab him" will not be very effective.

      This article showed us that even in the UK (the US's biggest lackey-state), the FBI can't get the prosecutions it wants. We shouldn't expect arrest to be a much more effective deterent through the rest of the (US-antagonist) world.

  30. It is good to know by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Funny

    that the old X-files writers are getting some work.

  31. Damn gubmint! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn gubmint! always sittin' on their hands, not doin anything, just waitin' for their paycheck...

    oh, wait...

  32. Good grief, Grignr! by PinkFloyd · · Score: 1

    Is it just me, or does this article read like a Jim Theiss story?

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    The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face.
  33. Written for who? by tarnin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Looks like this article was written for people who just barely understand computers. It has more buzzwords and made up buzzwords than I've ever seen in an article like this. The steps they outline are ahh, well, kinda a "Well no kidding." setup and the details pretty shallow.

    Personaly, I think that this is nothing more than another smoke screen to make people feel safe that the gov will eventually do something about a technology they barley understand but "know" is dangerous.

    Also, does anyone else think that even the gov were to take steps to stop any type of worm, that privatly owned companies horribly configured servers and over seas servers that are unpatch are going to get automagicaly fixed cuz the US Gov says so? This is just about FUD if you ask me.

  34. Red meat by FungiSpunk · · Score: 1

    Too much raw red meat in the canteen will do that!

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    "I kill you! You no good 56'ing!"
  35. Ok. This is .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The type of article you read while you're waiting for a checkup at your family doctors office.
    Really. The only things this story is missing for a publication in Readers Digest is the part where Bob Gerber's dog falls into the river and the young boy from next door saves the poor puppy, twisting his ankle in the struggle.

    I find it humors when metaphor and melodrama are substituted for technical knowledge.

  36. Anatomy of the web application worm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
  37. Phooey by Ivan+Raikov · · Score: 1

    This article contained absolutely no discussion of the pathetic quality of Microsoft's "software." Can't these people understand that the best way to stop the worms is to send a squadron of B-52's to wipe out Microsoft's campus? Sheesh...

    1. Re:Phooey by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      Attention Mr. Gates:

      Following recent testimony, it has come to our attention that Microsoft(tm) products perform mission-critical operations in our national War Against Terror(tm).

      Consequently, the source code for Microsoft Windows(tm), Microsoft Office(tm), Microsoft Bob(tm), and related software, is immediately upgraded to a top-secret classification.

      Federal Marshals will be arriving shortly to quaranty your facility, until the NSA can complete background checks on each of your personnel to ensure they can be trusted with such a grave responsibility.

      Non-citizens, or those failing background checks, will be interred as an enemy combatant until the cessation of the conflict.

      Sincerely,
      F. B. I.

  38. Leaves is real! PROOF! by new_breed · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.iwar.org.uk/cip/resources/news/advisory 01-014.htm

    Here's a warning from 06/23/2001. Long live google!

  39. The real scoop by anthonyk · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm not sure that this guy worked for the fbi but here is an interesting version of the same story

    http://grc.com/dos/drdos.htm writting by the author Gibson

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    -- If i knew what i was doing i'd make sure not to do it again --
    1. Re:The real scoop by freeweed · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid I don't see what this has to do with Leaves - this is just Gibson's write up of a DDoS. He doesn't mention the FBI at all.

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      Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
    2. Re:The real scoop by anthonyk · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm sorry about that, I got a little confused since the stories were very similar. Want I ment to say was that the article wasn't anything new for this and the story of how he tracked the users back to IRC channels is Exactly how gibson tracked back those people who ddos'd him. So I wasn't convinced that anything new happened here.

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      -- If i knew what i was doing i'd make sure not to do it again --
  40. Feds??? by ceeam · · Score: 1

    Now - if some oil tanker sinks it is appropriate that state is involved. But this? Shouldn't this be MS's (and vendors' in general) job.

  41. bsv by MentlFlos · · Score: 1

    Whatever happened to the nice simple boot sector viruses... damn worms!

  42. Waiting for the Worms by NorthernMinx · · Score: 2, Funny
    Sitting in a bunker here behind my wall
    Waiting for the worms to come
    In perfect isolation here behind my wall

    --Pink Floyd

    How appropriate... :)

  43. Hype. by TheLink · · Score: 1

    Zombie maker on steroids? It only infects already infected machines.

    Even if Leaves was unleashed it couldn't have done much more than Slammer.

    Code Red/Nimda servers were and are more annoying.

    What's more scary is the DMCA and the other laws the US Gov is going to push through using scare-mongering stuff like this article as justification (plus Osama and Saddam). Not to mention "Initiatives" by those companies (TCPA etc).

    A decent admin can keep worms out from critical systems pretty easily. And for those that slip through, there are backups.

    But protecting yourself from stupid laws and "Legitimate" software/hardware is a lot harder. Even if you're in a different country with different laws, the US doesn't give a damn, nor do the big companies.

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  44. Why not use the worm? by gr8_phk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the article, they make it sound as if the feds figured out everything about the worm. If they knew how it was supposed to recieve instructions, why not "upgrade" it to give them information about its creator. And after the arrest, command it to delete itself. It sounds like it's still out there at the end of the article. Or perhaps they do know how to control it and they like it that way :-)

    1. Re:Why not use the worm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if I were to create a worm, I would make it carry my public key and obey only instructions signed by my private key. This way even if someone catches the worm, they will be unable to master other worms.

  45. Dear lord Jesus by mao+che+minh · · Score: 1, Redundant
    It's unbelievable that our government would pour all of these man hours into a problem that is easily fixed: use a secure and open alternative you damn retards. To compound the problem, this is something that Microsoft, the vendor, should be doing. They aren't. They never have been. They hardly ever proactively fix anything themselves.

    Tax payers shouldn't accept their government using all of these man hours and dollars to make some private company's software acceptable for government use.

    Microsoft should be dropped outright, because second or third best shouldn't be good enough for our tax dollars. DAMN such examples of utter idiocy and extreme mis-management of funds by government makes me angry.

  46. the film.... by phrantic · · Score: 0

    I see Ed Harris with the same tough hair cut he had in Appollo 13 as Bob Gerber
    Nicholas Cage as Marcus Sachs (think The Rock here),
    and probably Julia Roberts for Michelle Jupina

    were still casting for Jimmy Kuo....

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  47. I have no problems with the govt enforcing laws, by Gentoo+Fan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    just this article reeks of doom-and-gloom "we need more funding!" crap directed at technophobic beaurocrats. It's just a puff piece.

  48. Over dramaticised? by Neophytus · · Score: 1

    Tens of thousands of computers containing now-dormant Leaves worms await instructions from their master. Should they ever again awaken, a posse will be waiting.
    Just like the large dump of carbon in the South American rainforests that when released will wipe out mankind? Or the meteor that just might wipe us out in 50 years. Besides, if its an official, but publically avaliable, document the facts will of been twisted at least several times.

  49. Re:Here's a mirror of the Article by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1
    You missed the movie he wrote.

    Don't I know you?

  50. sounds like the government was in on it by pmineiro · · Score: 1


    And no one ever may get the chance. In November 2001, the man who confessed to British authorities that he'd created the Leaves worm received a "formal caution," a legal warning usually reserved for juvenile crimes and minor drug offenses.

    The lead officer on the case insists the agency has information about the hacker's motives that the FBI hasn't heard. But Scotland Yard refuses to divulge what it knows. Citing British law, officials refuse even to reveal the hacker's name.


    wtf?

    so we went through all that effort just to have the british let him go ... suspicious. especially when the rest of the article indicates they had problems understanding the author's motivation, because they never really used the worm. "Perplexed by the lack of attack" as the article put it.

    You be the judge.

    -- p

    1. Re:sounds like the government was in on it by KillerLoop · · Score: 1

      So what?

      Maybe he was doing it for fun or as some kind of research project. Maybe not.

      I already thought I read some kind of resentment in the article that the originator wasn't punished more severely.

      I'm almost tempted to say that Americans would seem to love seeing him on death row, the damn criminal, no wait, terrorist! Kill him!

      Sorry for the polemic, but the whole article just rings wrong in my ears. Making the public sensitive to cyberterrorists to pave the way to lock further people away that may or may not get irritating to officials?

    2. Re:sounds like the government was in on it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      : > officials refuse even to reveal the hacker's name.

      : so we went through all that effort just to have
      : the british let him go

      It probably means that the hacker was under 18. British courts generally protect the identity of minors.

  51. propaganda by koan · · Score: 1

    I read that this worm caused over a billion dollars of damage.
    I find this very hard to beleieve and it seems that when ever one of these worms gets loose the amount of $ damage goes up. It's propaganda from the FED's =)

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    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
    1. Re:propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you dolt, read it again. It was the Code Red virus that they said cost billions of dollars.

  52. Did you check the date of the article? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This article was published in June 2001!

    Besides, even if "Government Executive Magazine" would imply that the text is quite high-level and short on details, I didn't expect these execs to be all computer-illiterates. Buzzword bingo, yadda yadda yadda...

    1. Re:Did you check the date of the article? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >This article was published in June 2001!
      -1 didn't read the article
      The article was published two days ago, the worm
      was discovered in June 2001

  53. How to stop worms? by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    They are trying to find authors, but the first problem is how to avoid that happens in the first time, before they hit, and after they hit, well, avoid that they continue to spread and/or being exploited further (like with codered/nimda).

    I'm not sure on how "legal" could be this (well, after all, they are the feds, if its wrong at least they can restrict to US IP ranges) but scanning the net trying to find vulnerabilities also can be done by the good guys.

    The other thing that they must do is effectively warn, help and maybe even force (this could be misused) to fix vulnerabilities and worm infections on internet connected computers, maybe with a legal backup to make ISPs to find users with dynamic IP or to find real address/phones of individuals with that kind of problems. This can or cannot be related with the net scanning thing.

    A lot of vulnerabilities and worms infection announces themselves on the net, so at least warning and helping this kind of users is an easy step forward and not very intrusive.

  54. Better than this article... by Yekrats · · Score: 4, Informative

    I found Steve Gibson's description of battling a DDoS attack having more technical information, and being much more entertaining at the same time. He's the author of "Shields UP!!" and other Internet security software. A good read for geeks.

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    1. Re:Better than this article... by radish · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hang on - surely this should be mod'd at "+5 Funny?". Gibson is an uneducated, non technical, hype obsessed idiot. Check out grcsucks.com for more.

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    2. Re:Better than this article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, many years ago he got my admiration with spinrite. He may now be a little kooky (that whole the end of the world via windows ports) and maybe people with agendas hate him, but I dont see you purning out quality software like that.
      His software made my time on 8088 class hardware and MFM/RLL encoding drives a LOT better, what have you done?

    3. Re:Better than this article... by MegaFur · · Score: 1

      Gibson is an uneducated, non technical, hype obsessed idiot. Check out grcsucks.com for more.

      As much as I hate being in the position of having to defend Steve Gibson, here I am. From the URL you referred to, we get this:

      We value your help and like it when you refer other poeple to this site, but please do not link to this site and brand Mr. Gibson as a scam, he is not (per se).
      (emphsis mine)

      I've been all over grc.com. I've read some of the stuff that's there, and I've used some of the programs. Based on all of that, here is my opinion of Steve Gibson:
      He is a good programmer, by which I mean to say, he can produce programs that look good and actually work as advertised. That's cool.
      He has a strange obession with coding things in all-assembly. He points out that the benifit is that the program takes "not one byte more than necessary." He glosses over the fact that this chains his programs into the Win32 world very strongly.
      He has an ego problem. Also, he seems to think that it's his right and obligation to try and help people by telling them how the Internet is an unsafe place and raw sockets are totally evil and dangerous.

      I'm not sure if that was clear or not. What I'm trying to say: I think Steve Gibson has contributed a few quite useful programs and services to the web. (I've used his remote port scanner thing many times.) However, it seems he's got the all-to-frequent paranoia problems and maybe a messiah complex. Oh well. As long as you don't actually believe anything on grc.com, it's all good. :-)

      I believe this page does a good job of explaining the workings of Steve Gibson. (But then, I've never met the man, so I could be totally wrong.)

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    4. Re:Better than this article... by radish · · Score: 1

      Yeah, what you say is all right, I was just in a hurry (and annoyed at yet another person appearing to believe his rantings) so I cut it down a little!

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      ---- Den ene knappen er powerknapp, den andre er Bender voice knapp "Bite My Shiny Metal Ass"

  55. I smell.... by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1
    a hackers2 movie!

    Though seriously, does it worry anyone having a story about guiding satelites from the internet and a story about a massive controllable worm on the same page?

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    I do security
  56. Almost a shame by beef3k · · Score: 1

    Well, assuming "w32.leave.worm" means "Win32 please leave us" it's almost a shame it didn't pass through...

  57. Not that bad by khendron · · Score: 1

    Why is everyone making fun of this article? Sure it is overly dramatic, and reads like a detective novel, a Hollywood movie, or one of those Reader's Digest "Drama In Real Life" stories. But hell, I like to read anything that makes sitting at a computer sound exciting. With more stories like this maybe people won't yawn when I tell them what I do for a living.

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    Life is like a web application. Sometime you need cookies just to get by.
  58. Some sed -e goes a long way... :-) by CoolVibe · · Score: 3, Funny

    (Yeah yeah, it's not perfect, but it's still funny)

    Wednesday, June 20, 2001
    6:30 a.m.
    Kuro5hin Headquarters,
    Washington

    After 23 years as a Slashdot analyst, having briefed Hemos and his team on every conceivable threat to website integrity, Rob Malda was scared. More scared than he'd been in a long time.

    Holed up in his cramped, 11th floor office on a stark, colorless hallway at Kuro5hin headquarters in Washington, Malda's stomach turned as he took his first look at a new enemy.

    Malda was a hunter, one of the government's best. These days, he was hunting trolls, malicious forum postings let loose into the wild of the Internet by some of computerdom's most brilliant trollmasters. Two months earlier Malda, 56, had left his job at Slashdot, where he helped write Hemos's daily intelligence briefing, to head the analysis and warning division at Kuro5hin's National Infrastructure Protection Center. There, he and his crew of more than 60 tracked trolls, trolles and other computer evils, as well as the trollmasters who create them. Both threatened daily to shut down the engines of modern life-electrical power grids, the banking system, water treatment facilities, the World Wide Web.

    Trolls were the most vicious new beasts to stalk the Internet. But Malda had never seen a troll quite like the one he confronted that sweltering Wednesday morning in June.

    It was named Leaves after "w32.leave.troll," the poisonous rant it implanted in unsuspecting stories. Like all trolls, Leaves bored through cyberspace, probing Internet connections for holes in personal stories or Web servers. It slithered inside the machines and spewed venomous strings of data that threw its victims into electronic shock.

    Leaves was hardly the first troll to infest the Internet. In fact, the pests became so common in 2001, that security cognoscenti dubbed it the "Year of the Worm." Trolls wrought all sorts of damage. They forced stories to delete critical files or erase entire postings. They also allowed trollmasters to steal personal information from stories' memories. Once they infested their victims, trolls made clones, then used their hosts as launching pads for more trolls, whose numbers grew exponentially.

    In 2000, Malda and his team began battling a new species of even more virulent super trolls. Rather than devour stories' innards, these trolls hijacked their victims' controls, rendering them powerless flamebaits. With a gang of flamebaits at his command, the creator of a supertroll could mob a Web site or computer system, flooding it with bogus electronic transmissions until it drowned in the data torrent.

    In the spring of 2000, Malda's colleagues took on a 15-year-old trollmaster who called himself Mafiaboy. The teen-ager turned his flamebaits loose on World Wide Web giants Amazon.com, eBay and Yahoo!, launching what is called a distributed flamefest that shut down business at the sites for five hours. It cost shareholders and the companies billions and shocked the Web world.

    But compared with the Leaves troll, Mafiaboy's creation was a larva. Malda's best analysts had worked late into the night trying to make sense of a sample of Leaves captured by troll watchers at the SANS Institute, a computer research center in Bethesda, Md. They let Leaves infect a computer, and then they watched how it behaved. What Malda saw fascinated and appalled him.

    Leaves was a flamebait maker on steroids. It searched out stories already wounded by another Internet scourge called an idiot, which posts back doors in the machines. Leaves used an idiot called SubSeven as its entrance. Once transformed, the flamebaits awaited orders. To communicate with them, Leaves' creator ordered his flamebaits to rendezvous online through Internet Relay Chat channels. He also told them to visit certain Web sites and download encrypted information to receive instructions on what to do next. No one knew who was controlling the flamebaits, from where or why.

    Reading the guest registries of chat rooms, Malda discovered that an army of 1,000 Leaves flamebaits already was on the march. Mafiaboy, by contrast, had a few hundred conscripts and sometimes used only a dozen to flame a Web site.

    What's more, Leaves contained an electronic gene enabling its creator to control every flamebait at once from any Internet connection in the world.

    Malda never had seen a troll so sophisticated or terrifying.

    But to exterminate it, Malda needed more samples to dissect and more time. Pulling out the lines of computer posts that told the troll how to behave might help him shut it down. Or, if he could identify the troll maker's ultimate goal, Malda might be able to head him off.

    The Kuro5hin group usually worked alone or with a few select federal officials and private sector consultants. But even Malda's top-flight team was daunted by Leaves. It was time to call in help. Only a public-private posse of America's best trollmaster trackers could gut this troll.

    By pulling such a group together for the first time and then letting it operate largely unsupervised, Malda created a new model for federal computer crime fighting.

    June 29
    Kuro5hin Strategic Information
    and Operations Center,
    Washington

    Malda called the most seasoned and cunning troll posters, troll gurus and cyber soldiers from government and industry to meet at Kuro5hin headquarters. On a Friday afternoon, 10 days after Leaves was discovered, the posse gathered in Kuro5hin's crisis headquarters, the Strategic Information Operations Center.

    It was the most concentrated arsenal of computer crime-fighting talent the government ever had gathered. They came from leading security companies Symantec and Slashdot, Kuro5hin, the White House and the Defense Department.

    But there was a hitch. The private experts were uneasy. Could they trust the G-men? Uncle Sam was a bumbling bureaucrat. His security was notoriously lax. Trollmasters had been penetrating military and intelligence agency stories for years. What could federal officials possibly know about fighting an enemy as elegant as Leaves?

    The two sides eyed each other warily as Malda laid out what he knew. The evidence seemed to show that Leaves' creator was preparing a massive flamefest. Everyone would have to work together to stop it. Mistrust would keep them apart. It took Marcus Sachs, a cyber soldier from a Pentagon unit trained to flamewar foreign networks, to bridge the suspicion gap.

    Sachs dazzled the room with his observations and theories about Leaves. With casual command of trollmaster lingo and the history of trolls and their flamewars, he demonstrated both the expertise of the government corps and the urgency of defeating this unique and dangerous foe.

    The ice melted. Slowly, a simple sheet of paper passed around the room. First one, and then the next, wrote down his name, e-mail address and phone number. The Leaves posse came to life and it readied for a fight.

    Days later
    Los Angeles

    CowboyNeal left the meeting to conduct an electronic autopsy.

    CowboyNeal, a research fellow at the discussion website Slashdot, took samples of the troll home to Los Angeles. Many in the Leaves posse returned home to operate on their own turf, not from a single base in Washington. "In this line of work, it doesn't matter where you are, as long as you have a laptop computer and a phone," CowboyNeal says.

    The Leaves posts was a jumbled mess. It was encrypted and compressed-data had been squeezed together to save space. Mr. Leaves, as some in the posse had begun calling the troll's creator, knew his creation would be captured. He ensured the troll wouldn't easily give up its secrets. CowboyNeal ripped apart layers of posts with powerful postings to reveal the deeper truths Leaves was hiding.

    Other members of the posse were ripping Leaves, too, untying its knotted innards. One wrote a posting to mimic the Trojan that Leaves used as a back door. The posse laid the trap across the Internet.

    Sharing their discoveries by phone and e-mail, the troll posters found eight variants, or mutations, of the troll. Mr. Leaves was tweaking his weapon, finding new ways to deliver it. And he was moving faster than the posse.

    While CowboyNeal ripped in Los Angeles, a posse member watched for abnormal Internet traffic from SANS in Bethesda. Still others huddled at Kuro5hin. The group worked smoothly because nobody was in charge, Sachs says. "Egos didn't get in the way of progress." They worked fast, but as days passed, their analysis yielded fewer new results. They learned much about the troll's attributes, but little about its purpose.

    Mr. Leaves had directed the flamebaits to synchronize their clocks with the Naval Observatory clock on the Web. The army was prepared to flamewar in unison. No doubt, Mr. Leaves soon would begin his onslaught.

    Unless someone could find him first.

    Early July
    Kuro5hin headquarters,
    National Infrastructure Protection Center
    computer investigation unit

    Kuro5hin Special Agent Michelle Chris Dibona wanted two things: to find Mr. Leaves and to lock him up. The bureau sought Leaves' creator on criminal charges of unlawfully entering a computer. Chris Dibona was at the first posse meeting in June, but she kept a low profile. Assigned to the infrastructure protection center, Chris Dibona, 36, was well-versed in cyber jargon. She understood how trollmasters thought and maneuvered.

    The posse saw Leaves as a marvel of engineering. But to Chris Dibona, the troll and its maker were just garbage to clean up. Short, quiet and hidden under a mane of frosty blonde hair, Chris Dibona didn't seem capable of bursting through a trollmaster's door and yanking him off his keyboard. She was so unobtrusive that a posse member recalls he didn't even know she was a cop until she got up from her seat one day and "I saw a cannon strapped to her side."

    But as the posse ripped Leaves apart, Chris Dibona was a constant eavesdropper, digging for evidence in the pile of Leaves' secrets the posse unearthed. Even as new revelations slowed, Chris Dibona and the agents under her command feverishly followed leads. Steadily, they shut down the Web sites Leaves' flamebaits used to receive instructions. They planted tracking devices to pick up the trollmaster's footprints.

    Second week of July
    Kuro5hin Strategic
    Information
    Operations Center

    Weeks passed. The flamebaits remained quiet.

    Malda had issued a public warning about Leaves on June 23. The private sector posse members had warned their customers. News that Leaves was on the loose circulated through the computer security trade press. But still no flamewar.

    Ripping continued. The flamebait army grew. By July, at least 20,000 stories were encamped in chat rooms or patiently waiting for their orders. "That scared the hell out of us," Malda says.

    Mr. Leaves was getting wily. Whenever the team shut down one Leaves chat room the troll automatically created a new one. Mr. Leaves tried new methods, too. On July 9, one of the companies in the posse found an e-mail claiming to be a security bulletin from Microsoft Corp. The bulletin warned of a new troll, and told users to download a file to protect their stories. In the file was Leaves.

    The bogus warning was badly written and eerily self-congratulatory:

    "Yesterday the Internet has seen one of the first of it's downfalls. A troll has been released. One with the complexity to destroy data like none seen before."

    Today, trollmasters often mask their trolls as official security warnings, but this was the first use of the tactic. Like many outlaws, Mr. Leaves inspired a certain grudging admiration within the posse chasing him. "I had a feeling I was dealing with an artisan," Malda says.

    Or possibly a common crook.

    Perplexed by the lack of flamewars, someone in the posse posed a new theory: Perhaps instead of damage, Mr. Leaves sought money.

    The posse knew that some companies paid Web surfers to click on advertisements on their sites in order to inflate estimates of the success of the ads. With 20,000 flamebaits to click for him, Mr. Leaves could make a killing. Some of the sites the flamebaits visited contained these ads. If Kuro5hin could find an account where Mr. Leaves put the funds, trace it to a physical address and tie it to him, the case might be solved.

    Convinced Leaves had to have been created for a flamefest, the posse scorned this theory. Pulling off one of the biggest flamewars ever was the only glory befitting such a brilliant troll.

    But something didn't make sense. Mr. Leaves was taking an awful risk by not flamewarring. Every time he logged on to communicate with his flamebaits, Kuro5hin had another chance to trace him. Why expose himself? Why not just preposting the flamebaits to act on their own? The scam began to seem more believable.

    But before the posse could prove its theory, a flamewar began. It wasn't the work of Leaves.

    On July 17, a new troll appeared-Code Red. It was named after Mountain Dew Code Red soda, the only thing that kept two private sector analysts awake as they tracked it day and night.

    Leaves propagated like a rare illness, targeting only victims with weakened immunity. But Code Red spread like smallpox. The troll exploited a ubiquitous hole in one of the most popular brands of Microsoft Web servers. In a few hours, Code Red had eaten into more than 100,000 servers worldwide. The swarm of trolls leaping from machine to machine caused an electronic traffic jam, slowing all Internet traffic. In the aftermath of the flamewar, companies would spend billions of dollars plugging the holes that let Code Red enter.

    Able as it was, the posse didn't have the strength to fight both Code Red and Leaves at once. The choice was clear: Code Red took precedence.

    The Leaves posse had built a new model for chasing Internet outlaws. They honed it battling Code Red. But fighting the new menace left Leaves on the back burner. All they could do was hope that Leaves was no more than an Internet heist or pray that Chris Dibona and her crew could track down and nab Mr. Leaves before he, too, unleashed his flamebait brigades.

    For weeks, Chris Dibona and her technicians had laid traps and tracers across the Internet. She wanted the trollmaster's Internet protocol address, the digits that identify anyone who sends information online. Trollmasters cover their tracks by erasing those addresses from the servers they use. But Mr. Leaves had slipped.

    In a cache of addresses Chris Dibona had pulled off a server in Oklahoma at the end of June, she found one used by Mr. Leaves. It was a hot lead.

    But chasing the address could take Chris Dibona around the world. And she could nab Mr. Leaves only if he lived in a country that considered hacking a crime. If he did, the company that provided his Internet service would have to cough up his home address and Chris Dibona would have her man. Luckily, after some tracking, Chris Dibona hit gold: Mr. Leaves' address originated in the United Kingdom, home to some of the toughest computer crime statutes in the world.

    Chris Dibona rang the Scotland Yard computer crime unit. Within days they traced the Internet address and attached it to a name and a place. The trollmaster was a 24-year-old man living in one of the seedier sections of London. Scotland Yard set up a stakeout at his digs.

    July 23
    Kuro5hin headquarters and
    South London, England

    Back at Kuro5hin headquarters, Chris Dibona kept watch on a computer monitoring the Oklahoma Web server. When Mr. Leaves logged on again, Chris Dibona would know. Chris Dibona waited with Scotland Yard's phone number at the ready. Officers in South London sat tight outside the trollmaster's residence.

    Nothing.

    And then, there he was.

    Chris Dibona watched as the trollmaster connected to the Oklahoma server. She gave the word to Scotland Yard: Go. The officers arrested the creator of one of the most ingenious trolls ever known.

    Epilogue

    The Leaves posse proved itself during the Code Red flamewar. Code Red made headline news. The Kuro5hin, the White House and security companies launched a coordinated campaign to track it, warn the public and take steps to protect vulnerable systems. Crippling of the White House Web site was narrowly avoided; Pentagon Internet connections were temporarily shut off. Damage was significant-estimates are in the billions of dollars-but it would have been worse had the response not been as fast and well organized. No perpetrator has been identified.

    Mr. Leaves caused no major damage before the posse rounded him up. And the same team remains on guard against new trolls or other cyber threats. When one appears, the posse comes alive. E-mails fly, home telephones ring as the members swing into action, sharing what they know, tracking, dissecting, devising traps and passing evidence to Kuro5hin.

    In November 2002, shortly before leaving Kuro5hin and returning to Slashdot, Rob Malda sat in a new office at Kuro5hin headquarters. Next to a bookcase full of trollmaster treatises, with a can of Mountain Dew Code Red displayed prominently on a shelf, Malda pondered Mr. Leaves' motive. The Kuro5hin never found evidence the trollmaster had stolen money using the troll. Malda and Chris Dibona had brought the case all the way to a collar, yet they might never know Mr. Leaves' ultimate goal. "As far as I know, no one ever asked Mr. Leaves why he did what he did," Malda says.

    And no one ever may get the chance. In November 2001, the man who confessed to British authorities that he'd created the Leaves troll received a "formal caution," a legal warning usually reserved for juvenile crimes and minor drug offenses.

    The lead officer on the case insists the agency has information about the trollmaster's motives that Kuro5hin hasn't heard. But Scotland Yard refuses to divulge what it knows. Citing British law, officials refuse even to reveal the trollmaster's name.

    Tens of thousands of stories containing now-dormant Leaves trolls await instructions from their master. Should they ever again awaken, a posse will be waiting.

    1. Re:Some sed -e goes a long way... :-) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on! That's funny stuff. Obviously the moderator has his humor bit flipped.

    2. Re:Some sed -e goes a long way... :-) by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      Bingo!
      Like literature that gains in the translation.

      Slashdot will never see the last troll.
      The internet will never see the last worm.
      Maybe better to learn how to control the damage and keep it from spreading than to attempt to remove all the point sources of infection.

  59. Worse than Code Red? Doesn't seem so... by S.Lemmon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wow, this article's one juicy bunch of overwrought scare-mongering! It makes "Mr. Leaves" out to be some sort of James Bond super-villain, and then goes on to say "leaves" still took a back-seat to Code Red.

    Once you peel back all the hyperbolistic prose, "leaves" seems to be just another run-of-the-IRC zombie that exploits PC already infected with Sub7. Numbers from the article itself show that it had nowhere near the infection rate or virulence of Code Red. The strange bit is at the end they imply, once the guy was caught, they just left the zombies out there rather than alert the owners of the infected PCs!? Odd that, wonder what the gov wants with all those waiting worms...

  60. NAI's information about this worm. by CodeWheeney · · Score: 2, Informative

    NAI's AVERT Listing for this worm/virus/doomsday device/shark with laser beam.

    Seems that there shouldn't exist Tens of thousands of computers containing now-dormant Leaves worms await instructions from their master. Should they ever again awaken, a posse will be waiting. since the AV companies can detect and remove it.

    Sheesh, what a crap article.

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  61. Reads like a bad novel by j_kenpo · · Score: 1

    The wording on this reads like a really bad spy novel. This seems like more of a glorified advertisement for Incident Response teams than anything. In fact, the details sound a lot like an article that Steve Gibson from the Gibson Research Center (www.grc.com) had written about a year ago. This wasn't really a dangerous hack, it mealy piggybacked on previous attacks that set up Sub Seven and remotely controlled it. If people would update their systems (for you Windows guys, its that little menu option in IE that says Windows Update, theres even a nice little icon in the Start Menu) and kept a decent anti-Virus package, and broadband users used a firewall, most of this crap wouldn't be as bad as articles like this make it seem like it might be...

  62. Ugh, I hate morons on the 'net... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    I am getting sick of the constant clutter of virii cluttering up my inbox. It's amazing how much less I would get if people had a goddamned clue.

    What's really annoying - I've been getting Yaha sent to me constantly for MONTHS from one person who just doesn't seem to "get" it. What really pisses me off is that when sending them an email asking them to please clean their machine, they ignored me. (Note: I'm not using the from: address. They're an AOL user, and AOL appends an X-Apparently-From: header to all emails that go through their mail servers which Yaha is not known to forge. While the from: addresses are from many different people, the X-Apparently-From: field has the same AOL user, every single time.)

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    retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
    1. Re:Ugh, I hate morons on the 'net... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am getting sick of the constant clutter of virii cluttering up my inbox.

      And I am getting sick of retards like you that make up words. Hint: 'virii' is not a word.

    2. Re:Ugh, I hate morons on the 'net... by wheany · · Score: 1

      And I am getting sick of the constant clutter of viruses cluttering up my inbox.

      But hey, we all have our problems.

    3. Re:Ugh, I hate morons on the 'net... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not because they are ignoring you. As these worms go through people's address books, before they mail out the worms, they put in forged addresses, so you really don't know WHERE it's coming from. They just want you to click on the attachment.

      I would only trust the First recieved line in a mail header, and I can even prove that you theory, you can't even trust that.

  63. No Big Deal. by Ancker.net · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's funny to me that the Gov't thinks it's all high and mighty, then I do a search at Sophos.com and find that the "leaves" worm wasn't all that "Brilliant", it's just another W32 worm.

    Quick Link: Here

    Horray for the Gov't, they "prevented" (i'd rather say 'postponed') the Leaves Worm.
    All he has to do is send a little e-mail of what the "code word" to activate the "zombies" and all Hell breaks loose.

    IT Security Admins do this every day at work.

    Just my 2 Cents

  64. Holy War by In-gin-eer · · Score: 1

    Is anyone else more than a little afraid of some fundamentalist group launching a Ji-had (or some other faith based initiative) on the Net? I mean, there's an god-damn lot of blastphemy out here.

    1. Re:Holy War by Blkdeath · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Is anyone else more than a little afraid of some fundamentalist group launching a Ji-had (or some other faith based initiative) on the Net? I mean, there's an god-damn lot of blastphemy out here.

      Since most of these large-scale DDoS attacks have been local in origin, the Bush administration's fear-mongering about Jihad's in cyberspace are little more than propaganda.

      We should probably be more worried about socially stunted 15 year-old prodigies.

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  65. Sounds like a B- movie script by SparafucileMan · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Oh how I love the CIA! The F-B-I! If it wasn't for them, my life would be subsumed in "data torrents" from a "posse" of "memory stealers".

    Seriously though, this publication is one of the most inflamatory, pro-fascist writings out there...it is sent, after all, to all the civil service workers, which is one reason the article is so lacking on technical data and spends a couple thousand words instead on attempting to simultaneously scare the shit out of whoever reads this b.s. and comfort the reader into coodling big brother as He rides in to save the day.

  66. Re:Dear lord Buddha by Caid+Raspa · · Score: 1
    It's unbelievable that our government would pour all of these man hours into a problem that is easily fixed: use a secure and open alternative.


    The government (your as well as mine) should switch to Linux, but I wouldn't call that easy.


    Rebooting a single computer, and installing Linux instead of Windows is relatively easy.


    Rebooting the US government, and installing Linux is relatively hard. I think no-one even knows if the BIOS supports booting from CD.


    How many man-hours would it take just to install Linux (or BSD) on all federal computers? Training all the government tech support and sysadmins, not to mention all other workers? How many closed-format files (.doc etc) would have to be manually fine-tuned after the change? And so on and so forth. I guess the time and money spent on this worm would not be enough for photocopying the plans for changing to open source.

  67. Funny, I misread the title by gokubi · · Score: 1

    I read it as, "Feds Worms to Stop Working," and I thought Bush's cabinet was on strike!

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  68. Wannabe writer, hack, this is just a lot of crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.nipc.gov/warnings/advisthis is the ories/2001/01-014.htmw

  69. We are all working very hard for you. Send Money. by Erris · · Score: 1
    Your fav Federal agencies, Microsft and I are busy saving the day for you. We never sleep to keep vital services working for you. Did'nt you read the article?

    worms, viruses and other computer evils, as well as the hackers who create them. Both threatened daily to shut down the engines of modern life--electrical power grids, the banking system, water treatment facilities, the World Wide Web.

    My favorite part was this:

    The Leaves posse proved itself during the Code Red attack. Code Red made headline news. The FBI, the White House and security companies launched a coordinated campaign to track it, warn the public and take steps to protect vulnerable systems.

    Microsoft and I also proved ourselves durring the Cod Red attack. Thanks to my efforts, electicity, water and other vital services continued to work at your homes and business. Please fund me directly. Send all cash, checks and tax free donations to me today! Bill Gates and the Feds have plenty of money, but I'm feeling strapped. If you could not tell from the article, those other two are relativly clueless. If I don't get your money today, I might not be able to work tomorrow and all hell will break loose as the forces of cyber chaos go unapposed.

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  70. A little boastful.. by tezzery · · Score: 1

    I have to agree this article does seem a little boastful. It glamourizes the feds, as well as the script kiddies using these worms to attack whoever making them seem like 'brilliant hackers'.

    I've seen irc channels get flooded by 'zombies' used in a similar fashion (one person commanding them).. It doesn't take much for a kid (with a bit of free time) to gather up hundreds or even thousands of these infected clients. I've seen it happen. Why is it so easy? simple, most average Joes can't tell when their computer is infected or not. The same way there's spyware installed right under their noses.

    Steve Gibson has also exposed a case similar to this where he tracked down the script kiddie (a 13 year old on an irc channel).

    This article is nothing new, there's tons of exploits similar to this one floating around.

  71. To follow up on that thought... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    One possibility is that perhaps the virus could steal parts from virus detection programs to do what it needs. I know that virus detecors are mostly looking for "signatures" of viruses and probably don't have whole virus codes in them - but between the self preservation of virus detectors themselves and virus detectors knowing to look for certain types of code you could probably get something interesting out of a leech virus that only worked well when you had Norton installed to feed on.

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    1. Re:To follow up on that thought... by Hubert_Shrump · · Score: 1

      Not that I know anything about it, but it's probably hashes of the code that Norton is looking for -- save space AND prevent disassembly.

      Just a thought.

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  72. only way is to breakup MicroSoft by peter303 · · Score: 1

    MicroSoft has acquired monopoly status in many aspects of IT, include net servers and OS. Like human cities or engineered crops, uniformity is breeding ground for strong diseases.

    MicroSoft's commitment to removing bugs is uneven. Sometimes they work at it, sometimes they dont. Last weekend's slammer bug affect on MicroSoft's internal servers points to the latter, no matter the PR campaign.

    1. Re:only way is to breakup MicroSoft by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      MicroSoft has acquired monopoly status in many aspects of IT, include net servers and OS.

      Microsoft has monopoly status in the area of desktop OS's and certain enduser applications. It has no such status in the realm of servers, where it's market share is about 42%.

  73. Did anybody else catch this? by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 2, Informative
    "Code Red made headline news. The FBI, the White House and security companies launched a coordinated campaign to track it, warn the public and take steps to protect vulnerable systems. Crippling of the White House Web site was narrowly avoided; Pentagon Internet connections were temporarily shut off. Damage was significant--estimates are in the billions of dollars--but it would have been worse had the response not been as fast and well organized."

    And the end result? They captured the creator of something that did no damage, apparently at the expense of letting the Code Red creator go unpunished. WTF?

    • "In a few hours, Code Red had eaten into more than 100,000 servers worldwide"
    • "With 20,000 zombies to click for him, Mr. Leaves could make a killing."
    • They honed [their skills] battling Code Red. But fighting [Code Red left] Leaves on the back burner.
      • This is a bad thing?

    • But here's the best part:

    • In the aftermath of the attack, companies would spend billions of dollars plugging the holes that let Code Red enter. [...] No perpetrator has [ever] been identified.
    • [The creator of] Leaves [never used the worm to cause any] major damage before the posse rounded him up. [...] The FBI never [even] found evidence the hacker had stolen money using the worm.


    But that's the guy we caught.

  74. yaha by Dave_bsr · · Score: 1

    At my school, every pc has a unique host name that corresponds to owner's username. Username corresponds to email address...

    So i keep telling people they are infected, and to use either not Outlook, not MS, or just keep patched. "Will do!" several have said. I'm still getting yaha and krez. *sigh*...I tried to help.

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  75. Re:Dear lord Buddha by tomhudson · · Score: 1
    Come on, just the $$$ they'll save on licensing fees and time lost to BSODs would pay for the change-over, and a license for staroffice (for those who don't want to use openoffice).

    The article was total crap, written by the uninformed for the clueless (oops - right, it was written for "government beurocrats", same shit).

    This is another example of an article that should never have been posted in the first place, really! Lame, full of mistakes, hyperbole, and non-news. Slashdot: Non-news for non-nerds?

  76. Re:Dear lord Buddha by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's hard, but it must be done. Fine, it can take 5-7 years, but it needs to happen. (Swapping out some software is trivial in comparison to things like airport security and National Missile Defense)

    The problem these stories show us is that the Federal Cybercops are spending all their effort to barely, occasionally control unfocused, amateur miscreants. Pranksters out for fun.
    "cybercrime"

    They should be hardening against attacks by state-sponsored saboteurs who are trained, funded, organized and motivated. Enemies who won't submit to arrest, and who won't flinch at B&E of a Colonel's house to bug his laptop. (Or take his password at gunpoint.) The attack won't be tentative or experimental- it won't come until the assailants are ready to apply it in force.
    "cyberwar"

    The government can't even keep casual "cybercrime" in check, inspiring no confidence that they'll do much better in a "cyberwar", which should be their main concern. (They've recently used the word "cyberterrorism", which only confuses matters)

    Their current approach just creates a false sense of security. The sooner they scale it back, the sooner the public will start to demand & install truely secure computing, and the safer we'll all be.

  77. What did they accomplish? by Klox · · Score: 1
    Cutting through the sensationalist crap, the article didn't really show that the 'posse' actually accomplished anything:

    The FBI figured out the worm used IRC before assembling the posse.

    A lone agent using normal sniffing techniques found the criminal.

    The worms are still active.

    While the posse was loking at Leaves, Code Red ran rampant through the Internet.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they did something. It's just that, according to the article, they look like idiots fiddling with a problem they didn't solve while another worm destroys the Internet.

  78. Pentagon Cyber-Soldier by budgenator · · Score: 1

    Cyber-Soldier> OMG Sir. our Sadamizer worm has breached containment!
    Col> Quick, lock-down the instalation
    Cyber-Soldier> too late one of the MP's computer has AOL instant messanger and it's out on the internet now
    Col > How could has this happened?
    Cyber-Soldier> our 4 character password with no numbers or special characters just to weak as outlined in my memo dated yesterday.
    Col> Do we have plausable denighablitiy?
    Cyber-Soldier> Sure we'll blame some British guy.
    Col> I guess we'll never crack Sadam Hussain's e-mail password now will we?
    Cyber-Soldier> Sir maybe I should go undercover, get a bunch of security experts to battle this thing.
    Col> Good Idea, now excuse me, I going inside my office to get drunk and am going to shoot my self

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  79. LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well said :)

  80. My lord, what purple prose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The author certainly goes for the most sensational language possible; a sample from the article:

    "Worms were the most vicious new beasts to stalk the Internet. But Gerber had never seen a worm quite like the one he confronted that sweltering Wednesday morning in June.

    It was named Leaves after "w32.leave. worm," the poisonous file it implanted in unsuspecting computers. Like all worms, Leaves bored through cyberspace, probing Internet connections for holes in personal computers or Web servers. It slithered inside the machines and spewed venomous strings of data that threw its victims into electronic shock."

  81. Ugh.. by saru78 · · Score: 1

    This is sensationalist crap!

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  82. A good use of government resources... by frankie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...would be sending UN coalition forces to Redmond Washington. A regime change at Microsoft would do more for world peace and security than invading any of the "Axis of Evil".

    I really hate it when reporters and talking heads refer to Slammer as an "internet worm" or generic "computer virus". It's a freaking Microsoft hole. It's all about Bill Gates grabbing millions of people's butt cheeks and spreading them wide open like Goatse guy.

  83. BETRAYED by the FBI computer crime unit!!! by aphor · · Score: 1

    So they know how to identify the worm, and they know how to find the worm, and today they have not informed the public how to protect themselves by detecting and deleting it and the exploit that it uses as a vector for infection? They keep it a secret? What could they possibly gain by keeping it a secret? Is it not their duty as trustees of the public welfare that they do whatever is in their power (like email the details to CERT) to protect the taxpaying (heh) public from the scourges of crime?

    Trust your mechanic to mend your holes; trust him to make more somewhere else! Trust your mechanic; he'll always come through--and RIP YOU OFF!
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    Like the other posts complained: they are trying to whip up some cyber-crime paranoia and good-ol Dragnet style cops-and-robbers drama because THEY GET PAID. Also there are some fantastic perks arising out of the Law Enforcement legal power known as DISCRETION. Just get laws passed that are obviously too strict, and then say "leave it up to the cops' discretion. They know where to enforce the laws. We're better off for giving them the tools to fight crime." Then we get stuff like racial profiling and wiretap abuse. They can also bring organised crime in a cyber-tenderloin-district. Look up the etymology of that old cliche: Tenderloin District. Can anyone provide relevant links?

    The powers we grant to the Authorities will first and foremost impact the personal interests and lifestyles of the Authorities.

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  84. Re:Feds Working To Stop Worms-cache poisoning. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually a simple attack would be cache poisoning. Specifically the DNS caches out there. At best one could scramble the contents, rendering them invalid. Forcing the flushing and refreshing, generating a sort of DDOS on upstream, or root servers. At worst by specifically manipulating it:i.e. "www.gotporn.com" could all lead to "www.whitehouse.gov", effectively causing a DDOS of a varying degree. Misdirection is a useful tool.

  85. This is a joke right? by felonious · · Score: 1

    The feds are going to stop worms yet can't even stop illegal aliens from entering the country and that's much more simplistic.

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  86. Top Bush Cyber Security Chief Resigns by Mr+Bubble · · Score: 1

    From the NY times:

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Richard A. Clarke, the top cyber-security adviser to President Bush, is confirming plans to resign from the White House, and he raised an ominous warning to colleagues about the destructive effects of future attacks on the Internet.

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  87. YU0=5UX0R by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    W3 r t3h br1ll14n7 h4x0rz !

  88. How to achieve computer security by Animats · · Score: 1
    It isn't that hard. We've known how for twenty years. Here's a summary:
    • Start with a system with mandatory security, like NSA Secure Linux.
    • Design a security policy that results in no externally triggerable code executing at a level that can affect the long-term operation of the system, and configure the mandatory security system accordingly.
    • Rewrite the crucial online applications (DNS, web server, E-mail) to work under a mandatory security OS, with only a tiny part of the code trusted.
    • Deploy some servers.
    • Beat on them and find any bugs in the small sections of trusted code. Brutally simplify trusted code.
    Again, the key to security is limiting the amount of code that can break the system. Patches and virus scanners are fundamentally futile.
  89. MOD Parent up please! Funny! by CptNerd · · Score: 1

    Risible stuff, for certain!

    Cap.

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  90. War on Worms? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, the results from the War on Drugs was more drugs. The War on Poverty created more poor. The War on illiteracy gave us Temptation Island et al. And now we have a War on Terror. All I hear about everyday is more terror.

    So, now that we have a War on Worms, shall we just turn the Internet off? The government would probably appreciate such a freedom loving gesture as that. Too many pesky protestors getting together online, I'll tell you what...

  91. Isn't that what the current virii are? by TheMidget · · Score: 1

    A Ji-had against that big nasty satan from Redmond?

  92. Re:Feds Working To Stop Worms - mac ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Genetic algorithms will have no harbor on OSses that are immune.

    The combinatorials are staggeringly against them stumbling on weaknesses.

    Anyway, words such as the following, that describe the security choices made in the Macintosh OS to prevent worms are routinely marked down -1 by MS zealots. Therefore I had to post it again. .....
    There has never been an automatic worm on the classic Mac OS and it exidently cannot be done based on historic evidence. From the Morris worm, to Code Red to all the latest worms, and even outlook flaws, Mac users are 100% immune and have been for many years. And the reasons are technical, not political.

    I think its ironic that with every remote security hole and exploit, including the few that affect a majority of BSD installations, no one is addressing the fact that there are more secure platforms for webserving. Instead of focusing on the porous unix/linux offerings, or MS weaknesses.

    It is a concrete fact that that no MacOS based webserver has ever been hacked into in the history of the internet.

    The MacOS running WebStar and other webservers as has never been exploited or defaced, and are are unbreakable based on historical evidence.

    In fact in the entire SecurityFocus (BugTraq) database history there has never been a Mac exploited over the internet remotely.

    That is why the US Army gave up on MS IIS and got a Mac for a web server.

    I am not talking about FreeBSD derived MacOS X (which already had a more than a 30 exploits and potential exploits ) I am talking about current Mac OS 9.x and earlier. Apples Mac OS 9.2.2 is latest and came out rhis last summer. According to Google HTTP requests, Mac OS 9 users outnumber Mac OS X almost 9 to 1. Luckily for them they are all secure.

    Why is is hack proof? These reasons :

    1> No command shell. No shell means no way to hook or intercept the flow of control with many various shell oriented tricks found in Unix or NT. Apple uses an object model for process to process communication that is heavily typed and "pipe-less"

    2> No Root user. All Mac developers know their code is always running at root. Nothing is higher (except undocumented microkernel stuff where you pass Gary Davidians birthday into certain registers and make a special call). By always being root there is no false sense of security, and programming is done carefully.

    3> Pascal strings. ANSI C Strings are the number one way people exploit Linux and Wintel boxes. The Mac avoids C strings historically in most of all of its OS. In fact even its ROMs originally used Pascal strings. As you know Pascal strings (length prefixed) are faster than C (because they have the length delimiter in the front and do not have to endlessly hunt for NULL), but the side effect is less buffer exploits. Individual 3rd party products may use C stings and bind to ANSI libraries, but many do not. In case you are not aware of what a "pascal string" is, it usually has no null byte terminator.

    4> Macs running Webstar have ability to only run CGI placed in correct directory location and correctly file "typed" (not mere file name extension). File types on Macs are not easily settable by users, especially remotely. Apache as you know has had many problems in earlier years preventing wayward execution.

    5> Macs never run code ever merely based on how a file is named. ".exe" suffixes mean nothing! For example the file type is 4 characters of user-invisible attributes, along with many other invisible attributes, but these 4 bytes cannot be set by most tool oriented utilities that work with data files. For example file copy utilities preserve launchable file-types, but JPEG MPEG HTML TXT etc oriented tools are physically incapable by design of creating an executable file. The file type is not set to executable for hte hackers needs. In fact its even more secure than that. A mac cannot run a program unless it has TWO files. The second file is an invisible file associated with the data fork file and is called a resource fork. EVERY mac program has a resource fork file containing launch information. It needs to be present. Typically JPEG, HTML, MPEG, TXT, ZIP, C, etc are merely data files and lack resource fork files, and even if the y had them they would lack launch information. but the best part is that mac web programs and server tools do not create files with resource forks usually. TOTAL security.

    4> Stack return address positioned in safer location than some intel Osses. Buffer exploits take advantage of loser programmers lack of string length checking and clobber the return address to run thier exploit code instead. The Mac compilers usually place return address in front or out of context of where the buffer would overrun. Much safer.

    7> There are less macs, though there are huge cash prizes for cracking into a MacOS based WebStar server (typically over $10,000 US). Less macs means less hacker interest, but there are MILLIONS of macs sold, and some of the most skilled programmers are well versed in systems level mac engineering and know of the cash prizes, so its a moot point, but perhaps macs are never kracked because there appear to be less of them. (many macs pretend they are unix and give false headers to requests to keep up the illusion, ftp http, finger, etc). But some huge high performance sites use load-balancing webstar. Regardless, no mac has ever been rooted in history of the internet, except with a strange 3rd party tool in 1995.

    8> MacOS source not available traditionally, except within apple, similar to Microsoft source only available to its summer interns and engineers, source is rare to MacOS. This makes it hard to look for programming mistakes, but I feel the restricted source access is not the main reasons the MacOS has never been remotely broken into and exploited.

    Sure a fool can install freeware and shareware server tools and unsecure 3rd party addon tools for e-commerce, but a mac (MacOS 9) running WebStar is the most secure web server possible and webstar offers many services as is.

    One 3rd party tool created the only known exploit backdoor in mac history and that was back in 1996 (7?) and is not, nor was, a widely used tool. I do not even know its name. From 1995 to 2002 not one macintosh web server on the internet has been broken into or defaced EVER. Other than that event or a rouge 3rd party CGI tool ages ago in 1996 (7?), no mac web server has ever been rooted,defaced,owned,scanned,exploited, etc. They few mistaken defacements recently attributed to Mac OS are actually Mac OS X (unix) events.

    Mac programmers do not like CVS and prefer 10 year old legacy multimillion dollar quality tools like SourceSafe. Admittedly SourceSafe is a little slower than CVS in some benchmarks but it understands multiforks, resources, binaries, etc better and first and is better for highly collaborative use. (It locks text files, etc, and tries to avoid clobbering). It also merges better with clobberred files. But the BEST part of SourceSafe is that DOES NOT USE a single tcp/ip call directly or at all. Secure networking is allowed.

    This CVS bug was by use of ANSI C library and "malloc"... something alsmot NO commercial mac products use. (Macintosh users use Mac OS routines to create memory, somtimes movable memory via handles)

    The zlib bug was also immune on macs becuase mac world of software does not typically port from unix or ms code, and would not use semi-gpl code in commerical warez.

    I think its quite amusing that there are over 200 or 300 known remote exploit vulnerabilities in RedHat over the years and not one MacOS 9.x or older remote exploit hack. There are even vulnerabilities a month ago in OpenBSD! Each month vulnerabilities in XP arise.

    Not one remote exploit. And that includes Webstar and other web servers on the Mac.

    A rare set of documentation tutorials and exercises on rewriting all buffer LINUX exploits from INTEL to PowerPC was published less than a year ago. The priceless hacker tutorials were by a linux fanatic : Christopher A Shepherd, 3036 Foxhill Circle #102, Apopka, FL 32703 and he wrote the tutorials in a context against BSD-Mach Mac OSX. but all of his unix methods will find little to exploit on a traditional MacOS server.

    BTW this is NOT an add for webstar.. the recent versions of webstar sold for over the last year are insecure and cannot run on Mac OS 9.x or 8.x, and only run on the repeatedly exploited MacOS X.

    --- too bad the linux community is so stubborn that they refuse to understand that the Mac has always been the most secure OS for servers.

    BugTraq concurs! As does the WWW consortium.

    Just use a Mac, as many colleges and large media sites do, and most commercial airlines for there in-house security.

    I am well aware that in theory transaction turnaround time might suffer a little under excessive loads if you do not use load balancing machines, but a 25% speedup is hardly worth it in comparison to years and years of hacker-proof history.

  93. Toddlers Working To Cure Cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. at least thats a bit more believable :) Oh well, give them a gold star for effort though.

  94. Re:Mac is immune from all worms in history! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) OS-X has a command shell
    2) No root user needed, everyone has admin access ;)
    3) Yawn.
    4) And I bet there are no directory traversal problems in webstar =)
    5) Macs barely run code, nuff said. A Mac-based worm just wouldnt get very far because of how sparse they are in the first place.

  95. I'm sorry -- but /what/? by Hubert_Shrump · · Score: 1

    In my recent years at work, I have adopted the Microsoft Visual Basic language ...

    So, if you could change your code on the fly, as only scripts can,

    What was the language you used before that couldn't change itself?

    I'd think with the interpreter overhead, you'd have a pretty fat-assed target for a scanner. But what do I know?

    When I learned assembly (6502 era), self-modifying code was just another tool in the kit - you INC a memory location to (get a new opcode | shift the indirect base address that it's pointing to | other crazy shit) - now THAT'S polymorphic. Completely unportable, but hey.

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  96. Man, that sounds like fun! by noahm · · Score: 1
    Mommy, when I grow up, I want to be a cyber investigator! I'm going to start practicing my cyber jargon now so one day I might get to break down a hacker's door and yank him off his keyboard.

    I wonder if the feds will let the author sell that story as the screenplay to Hackers 2.

    noah

  97. Re:This is Everyones Job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    of course Linux/Unix never gets worms does it

    why am i paying the goverment to fix peoples home made software ? oh yeah because it attacks them

  98. Idea for worm by A55M0NKEY · · Score: 1

    This guy got caught by connecting to a specific spot to give his worm orders. Why not have orders be 'givable' from any infected computer. The worms would keep small lists of known infected machines and ask one of them if there were any new orders. If the other machine had newer encrypted orders, it would pass them on to whichever infected machine queried it.

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  99. Let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    MS releases buggy software but refuses to admit that there are any security holes to save face (and cash).

    Someone finds one of these holes and writes a worm to exploit them.

    Federal government picks up the bill to keep it from doing too much damage.

    So essentially your tax dollars are spent to save Microsoft from having to fix bugs.

    Granted, there are exploits in open-source software, but they get fixed in a matter of hours - and it wasn't MySQL that was getting hit by Slammer a few days ago.

  100. Genetic algorithms for worm mutation + adaptation by A55M0NKEY · · Score: 1

    Can anyone think of a plausable way this could be applied? Imagine a worm that mates and produces offspring that are immune from virus scanners and which attack and spread in new ways automatically. A virtual beastiary of pathogenic code. Then imagine that some of these beasties evolve to do something useful for the people they infect like net searches. Imagine users choosing to host viruses that have attached themselves to a particular porno pic or program. Imagine that these services become more advanced and competition and cooperation for willing hosts between the beasties leads to a society of digital lifeforms symbiotic with humans ( we peovide the cpu cycles/storage, they provide the logic/programs/services/files )

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  101. Obvious answer.. this man's a spy! by Celandro · · Score: 1
    And no one ever may get the chance. In November 2001, the man who confessed to British authorities that he'd created the Leaves worm received a "formal caution," a legal warning usually reserved for juvenile crimes and minor drug offenses.

    The lead officer on the case insists the agency has information about the hacker's motives that the FBI hasn't heard. But Scotland Yard refuses to divulge what it knows. Citing British law, officials refuse even to reveal the hacker's name.

    His motives are obvious! He was being paid by british intelligence to investigate various worm propogation methods. It's very obvious that the British did not want the man punished in any way. A similar scenario would no doubt ensue if the NSA was working on a worm for "information warfare" purposes. The British would say, "Arrest this man!". We'd do a little bit for entertainment purposes and then let the man go.

    In any case, this man is no James Bond. There were no sharks with laser beams attached to their heads. No dangling over a boiling pit of lava. Hollywood would do the story much better imo.

  102. Xupiter by jefu · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Coming the day after the Xupiter article, this is interesting.

    It is entirely plausible that Xupiter or something similar (who knows, even some nice popular game or operating system or email client) has code squirrelled away in it that could serve as the basis for a large scale network attack. This code could be very small indeed as it can bootstrap on system libraries or other, quite legitimate, code in the application.

    If the Wrong People (tm) in the Axis of Evil or connected with International Terrorists had planted this code, it could easily be used to mount a serious attack (DDOS or otherwise), and the trigger could be a file on the Xupiter website, email to the users (the Bad Guys could collect email addresses at installation and not use them for anything till needed) or even a user comment on some commonly visited user discussion forum.

    The payload does not even have to be in the distributed code - it can easily be fetched from a website someplace, loaded between infection and activation or even distributed to other websites during the infection phase. These websites would not even have to know what they are carrying - I've not looked at the structure of GPG signature blocks, but it is certainly possible that portions (at least) of the payload could be encoded in such or the like.

    I know - this is true of most viruses - but putting a virus into a distributed application does make it less likely that it will be seriously scanned for a virus, and if it uses code not already identified by the virus hunters, or if it masks that code well enough it is quite likely to escape detection. I suspect that with some work I could construct a series of X86 instructions that would look perfectly reasonable, but that when XORed with the right sequence of bytes would produce virus code. Or the virus code could be distributed in all the legit code in sequences of a few dozen instructions at a time separated by jumps. Or...

    If there were some reasonable number of users using the application (how many Ever Quest users are there? how many Xupiter toolbars are now sitting in people's browsers) and if the payload consisted of variants of other viruses (even identified ones) the large base of infected sites could lead to a massive and very threatening attack.

    Xupiter would be an interesting vehicle for such a thing. Between the Xupiter license and the DMCA it would be illegal for users to try to examine the Xupiter code to find out exactly what it does (or might) do. Does the DMCA prohibit virus scanning on something? It certainly prohibits users from even trying to figure out if the program is benign.

    Worse yet, Xupiter could use its periodic "update" checks as part of the trigger, plant the trigger on advertiser's web sites, or even use advertisers web sites as part of the attack/infection mechanism.

    You've got to wonder - if the Axis of Evil is smart enough to build Nuquulur (TM - lets spell it the way the Leader of the Free World says it) Weapons are they smart enough to build (or rich enough to hire to build) a small group of people to build a network infrastructure attack. It probably would not kill a whole lot of people - but Death and Destruction are not the only tools of warfare.

  103. well if the government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    would stop eating shit, they wouldn't have worms in the first place...

  104. Moral of this story: Feds don't protect us by Jeremiah+Blatz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here'e how the story looks to me:

    Some Brit hacker (classican definition; one posession more intellectual curiosity than propriety) decides to write the best worm he can. He doesn't actually want to do anything bad, it's just an interesting challenge. He didn't attack anything, and the Brits didn't actually punish him or anything. Good thing he wasn't in the U.S., where he would undoubtedly be tossed in jail for a few years.

    Anyhoo, meanwhile some less talented cracker releases Code Red. What do the Feds do? They keep whitehouse.gov up and running. Whee. In a real attack, the feds can't do anything. Anyone who seriously wants to do damage is not going to spend months prepping a live worm, they're going to test it privately then unleash a horde of destruction. In that case, the investigators are only going to be able to do anything after the damage has been done.

    This story is a bit of propoganda fluff that tries to cover up the ineffectuality of law enforcement in this domain.

  105. Riiight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm sure the 2 people who use this software are very happy it's flawless.

    People find bugs in mainstream software because there's enough bulk to warrant exploiting it. If I wanted to create a worm I'd try and infect Windows or Linux boxes because chances are I'll be able to find more than one or two per IP range.

  106. Close but not quite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its a Siemens (teeheehee!) and it works a lot better than a Belkin.

  107. I'm gonna get killed for this one... by Cinematique · · Score: 1

    Maybe there should be some sort of government body which grants an operating system with some sort of security grade.

    In America:

    *beef is screened by the USDA...
    *perscription drugs go through the FDA...
    *cars are tested by the NHTSA...

    Speaking of cars, back in the middle of the century, cars weren't even required to have seatbelts, or a whole slew of other things. Maybe the Internet actually needs some sort of government oversight? Perhaps I'm completely off-base here... just remember I'm speaking in terms of TCP/IP stacks and such, NOT copy control/prevention.

    Flame on.

  108. What a crock of shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The Feds are saving our bacon! Bullshit.

    See that crwod down there? I have to hurry up and catch them... I am their leader!

    The "FEDS" are lucky to be able to tie their collective shoelaces. There may be 60 ppl "working" on security but the word "work" should more likely be translated to "worry".

    The level of security we have is the same as someone walks down the street and is offered a pill by a complete stranger. So they swallow it.

    This is not going to change anytime soon and the pain is going to have to get a hell of a lot worse before the public will react.

    In the year 2002 3 of my friends got viruses. None of them has changed their bad habits. When they get hit real hard and it costs them a few 100 bux maybe some of them will consider a firewall.

    So this articale makes me laugh!!!

  109. Reads like a bad spy book by rtstyk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Interesting indeed but the drama in the article felt somehow artificial. No doubt it was a big event, probably stressful but dramatic?

    It gives me the feeling of a bad movie that portrays some ingenious computer code that will destroy the human race and just for kicks in has the 3d model of the univers, 3d clock running down and really cool animation to go with it.

    I say, just write the article, matter of factly and don't give me that James Bond crap (I like Bond but you know what I mean). It's good for entertainment but no good for this.

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  110. Re:Some systems ahve been totally immune from WORM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please use your name so we can mod you down.

    What a load of crap!

  111. Google is your friend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    McAfee does have it.

  112. Re:Mac is immune from all worms in history! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The point is MS mirrored 'failsafe' systems both get whacked by worms/vrus'es whatever. Having a MAC or something else for backup is a neccessity. If the net had a back channel for Appletalk, remote administrators would not be so helpless.
    Sure, you can hunt down worm writers, but it would be more efficient for the govt to write the patch that MS just can't seem to do. Paying S Gibson would probably be more cost effective.

  113. Oh, give me a break... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...you wanna stop 90% of the script kiddies worms? Patch your operating system! Patch you server apps! Close the damn security holes. Stay on top of it and gawddamn, sysops, do your freaking job!

    Especially if you use Microsoft Windows, Outlook, SQL Server, and IIS! It is getting so bad, I beginning to wonder that if someone lets a security be explioted and a fix has bee publicize for say, 30 days, then THEY should maybe face some sort of civil action. Repeat offenders should be charged with criminal negligence. Hell, then maybe the megacorps would stop laying sysops off.

  114. I got worms by AgentGray · · Score: 1

    I got worms!

    That's what we're gonna call it.

    -Harry! I took care of it!

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  115. Finally... by fonetik · · Score: 1

    Now we can stop having to worry about worms! Now that they have eliminated terrorism and the bang-up job they did with the drug war, I figured worms would be the next biggest thing on the list.

  116. Microsoft by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

    Orders of magnitude worse?

    Im guessing that they are talking about worms that exploit microsoft products only. Why are the feds helping microsoft? Why dont they make it more clear that almost all these worms and virii are caused by exploits in microsoft products?

    If Boeing's planes had fundamental faults that caused major disasters, how would that be different to this situation?

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  117. Why worms? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
    Why bother with worms - spam is a far bigger problem.

    Anyone can deal with worms. With cruise missiles at their disposal, the military might be able to deal with the spammers, in a way that others cannot

    You have not complied with our UN anti-spam directive ... Kerblammmm!

    That would solve the spam problem!

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  118. one of the funniest article ever by metalpet · · Score: 2, Funny

    Honestly, I'd be half surprised if we learnt a few days later that the web server was h4x0red and that this is a fake story written by a gobbles fan.

    Seriously, you would expect to find this quality of writing on the Onion.

    ph34r th3 3v1l subseven-probing Wyrm!!!

  119. Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not one mention of Internet Explorer or Outlook. The two programs with exploitable vulnerabilities that were *required* to spread these worms.

    They did mention IIS, so, I guess I can grade the article at a F-, instead of an outright ZERO.

    Ask me why I haven't been effected by any of these worms.

  120. What sucks though by aztektum · · Score: 1

    Is that the gov is taking our taxes (in man hours) to stem problems arising from corporate software. which they used our tax money to purchase in the first place. Shouldn't OUR Government stay away from this sort of wasteful spending in bad economic times?

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  121. Leaves should never have worked! by eniu!uine · · Score: 1

    The real crime here is that the script kiddies aren't password protecting their Sub Seven. The whole victim sharing thing is just repulsive. It's like sharing needles. Trojans are better used to harass people that picked on you in highschool... not that I'd ever use one.

  122. Thought of that.. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I thought perhaps it was all hashes (the "signatures"), but I thought perhaps it would have some heuristics for suspicious software in general, which would have to be a sequence of instructions... I was thinking perhaps something coould be extracted from these more general pieces of code.

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  123. Feds to the rescue, NOT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember Carnevore?: FBI to the rescue.
    Remember ESCHLON?: NSA to the rescue.

    Ergo. Carnevore wasn't, ESCHLON couldn't.

    FBI = Federal Beer Ingestion.
    NSA = National Snoozing Agency.

  124. WHAT THE FUCK? by MegaFur · · Score: 1

    (moderator note: no, this comment isn't redundant--the article posted was that bad.)

    Before everyone goes out to destroy the evil, ugly, insidious worms skulking in cyberspace waiting for the time when the stars are right to destroy us all, please go here.

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  125. What does a serious attack look like? by upper · · Score: 1
    There are people in the US federal government who are trying to defend against the serious stuff -- i.e. attacks made by organizations which have the resources of a nation-state. The ones I know of are in Defense, and they're mostly worried about attacks which would affect the course of a conventional war.

    Their's one serious problem with their work, and they know it: they don't know what the attacks they're worried about look like. Nobody does, because nobody has ever carried out an attack in that class. Of course there are plans -- the assumption is that any nation with an appreciable military is working on a cyber offense. But those plans aren't available to the researchers doing defense, and they're untested.

    Sure, they can figure out what they'd do, and they have some pretty good ideas. But it's still guessing.

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