Have we already forgotten the words of our forefathers?
Our first president recognized this quite clearly: "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness...reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." - George Washington's farewell address, 1796
He knew that is impossible to claim morality while excluding religious principle. He also realized that without God it is impossible to rightly govern: "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." - George Washington
John Adams also recognized this: "Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue." - John Adams
Even Patrick Henry who once said "Give me liberty or give me death!" was even noted to recognize the importance of God in our society: "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ! For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." - Patrick Henry
The very freedoms we have today are centered around the principles of their faith. Man is given a choice every day to choose whom he serves.
Without God in our society the worst will happen, William Penn put it best: "Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants." - William Penn
Re:Were the copyright violations fixed? (yet?)
on
Mplayer Revisited
·
· Score: 1
Nevermind the fact that in the US and other countries that recognize pure software patents, it's illegal to use GPL'd MP3 based software. Since the GPL allows commercial use of software under it's license, and Fraunhoffer prohibits that without paying them first...
Um. What would be the problem with a web based interface? Obviously you haven't seen very many web based applications.
I help write a commercial one for a living, and our web based interface is very desktop application like, and it works in both Mozilla and IE.
We have cascading menus just like windows, you can have multiple files open at a time and easily switch between them and when jumping between the various 'modules' of the application or going back to an open record it takes you back to exactly where you were before.
We have even have ctrl-shift multiple selections so you can open multiple records at once, or you can double click a single record in a listing to open it.
We even have record locking built in so that if you try to open a record someone else has open it will tell you it's already in use by Blah Person and prevent you from doing so.
Web application interfaces have come a long way...
"Yep, but you're wrong in one way. Fauhoffer only intended to make this packages this way. Software players are still allowed to be GPLed after MP3 specs. Changes for free software players were only intended. SO HAT MAKES GPLed MP3 player still a valid piece"
You obviously have failed to read the GPL. Read it again.
"Is this a case where peoples idealism is stopping production or are there other problems with making this work legally on Linux?"
No, it is not. XMMS is distributed under the GPL. The GPL has very specific requirements about software that uses patented technology. Basically, regardless of whether or not fraunhoffer requires licensing fees means little. The only person that has a right to distribute GPL'd mp3 based software is Fraunhoffer. If Fraunhoffer did that, anyone could use MP3 GPL software for Commercial or Non-Commercial purposes.
I own a Radeon 9800 Pro, and I've found just the opposite, at least with the Windows drivers, and their latest Linux drivers (3.2.0 or newer).
If you're having any kind of problems like that, email devrel@ati.com, someone from ATi will most likely respond rather quickly. I've emailed them before and they've been quite helpful.
This article has been spouting the truth I've known for a while.
I've been building up my resistance to the effects of Iocaine Powder. Never know when you're death is going to be on the line with a Sicilian opponnent.
I'm well aware of their copyright assignment. But obviously copyright means nothing to them. At least SCO hasn't proven that to me. If they're willing to ignore the GPL license under which they distributed Kernel code, how do I know they're going to not suddenly claim that you contributed patented technology without their knowledge? All I have is your word.
I'm not trying to imply that you're not a person of your word. But rather that I cannot trust your employer, and since you work for them, I therefore cannot trust you indirectly. Your employer may have earned your trust, but they have not earned mine.
So again understand that I'm not attacking you. I'm saying that I can't trust your employer, even if you're trustworthy.
And who says we want his help. Who says that SCO isn't going to turn around and sue anyone distributing gcc commercially claiming it's infringing patents just like the Linux kernel? How can we trust their contributions at all anymore.
Sadly, it doesn't "work fine". ATi is refusing to provide any 3D hardware specific information for the 9600 / 9700 / 9800 series of cards to commercial driver developres or to the XFree project. What little is known about them has been reversed engineer from their binary drivers. Only 2D support information will eventually be provided.
ATi is of the opinion that there are too many trade secrets for them to divulge the 3d hardware programming information, they also believe that open source programmers are not competent enough to write drivers for "such advanced programmable hardware".
Wish I could be more excited but I dumped my NVidia card a month or so ago.
I am glad to see this though, the old NVidia FreeBSD drivers were pretty horrid.
To ATi I would say: "Where are my finished Linux drivers, and FreeBSD drivers ATi? ARE YOU LISTENING?"
Seriously. Their Win32 drivers are pretty decent, but their Linux drivers need some serious performance and OpenGL work done.
In their infinite wisdom, they do not provide FreeBSD drivers, nor the information to commercial companies that want to write drivers for their 9600/9700/9800 series of cards.
It's sad really. This almost makes me wish I had kept my NVidia card...
Not anything beyond the Radeon 8500 is supported. ATi won't provide the technical specifications citing industry trade secrets and a bunch of other crap. Oh, they also don't think that Open Source programmers are capable of writing a real driver for programmable hardware like the 9600 / 9700 / 9800.
They also refuse to provide the information to XiG, so you don't even have the choice of buying a commercial driver.
Yes, I have watched the movies, and the movies in the expansion pack are far better than the original ones, but without the movies in the original one you'll miss part of the story (well, ok you can read it in your journal but you'll miss all of the nice artwork and a better idea of what the world of NeverWinter looks like).
I must admit the game is still enjoyable despite these shortcomings, but they could have made several decision different. If they were really planning to make a cross-platform game they should have picked cross platform tools.
I wouldn't call a client that unlike the Windows version lacks both movie playback and a toolset "complete".
ppffttt
Certainly not what we were led to belive we were getting when Bioware first announced a client.
Both the Mac and Windows versions get movie playback, what do we get? Nada.
Not only that the jackballs at Infogrames/Atari jacked up the the Linux installer included on the Shadows of Undrentide expansion disc by saving all the shell scripts using DOS line endings.
That's not 'technically' true. Their parent company was either Eidos or Ion Storm depending on how you look at it. Both of which still exist, only *one office* of Ion Storm closed, not Ion Storm itself:)
Well guess what. The open source honey moon days are over. ATi has officially stated that they will not release the specifications for the 9700/9800, etc. Because open source programmers like us in so many words are too incompetent to be able to write a decent driver for fully programmable hardware and giving out the information necessary would be too advantageous to the competition anyway. So bugger off. I'm an ATi 9800 owner myself...
Slashdot Mirror
I'm waiting for the day they announce CD's made of Soylent Green :]
Have we already forgotten the words of our forefathers?
Our first president recognized this quite clearly:
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness...reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
- George Washington's farewell address, 1796
He knew that is impossible to claim morality while excluding religious principle. He also realized that without God it is impossible to rightly govern:
"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible."
- George Washington
John Adams also recognized this:
"Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue."
- John Adams
Even Patrick Henry who once said "Give me liberty or give me death!" was even noted to recognize the importance of God in our society:
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ! For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
- Patrick Henry
The very freedoms we have today are centered around the principles of their faith. Man is given a choice every day to choose whom he serves.
Without God in our society the worst will happen, William Penn put it best:
"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants."
- William Penn
Nevermind the fact that in the US and other countries that recognize pure software patents, it's illegal to use GPL'd MP3 based software. Since the GPL allows commercial use of software under it's license, and Fraunhoffer prohibits that without paying them first...
Impudent Amazon Infidels! Google alone is the master of the spanish inqusition, right shall prevail!
Um. What would be the problem with a web based interface? Obviously you haven't seen very many web based applications.
I help write a commercial one for a living, and our web based interface is very desktop application like, and it works in both Mozilla and IE.
We have cascading menus just like windows, you can have multiple files open at a time and easily switch between them and when jumping between the various 'modules' of the application or going back to an open record it takes you back to exactly where you were before.
We have even have ctrl-shift multiple selections so you can open multiple records at once, or you can double click a single record in a listing to open it.
We even have record locking built in so that if you try to open a record someone else has open it will tell you it's already in use by Blah Person and prevent you from doing so.
Web application interfaces have come a long way...
"Yep, but you're wrong in one way. Fauhoffer only intended to make this packages this way. Software players are still allowed to be GPLed after MP3 specs. Changes for free software players were only intended. SO HAT MAKES GPLed MP3 player still a valid piece"
You obviously have failed to read the GPL. Read it again.
"Is this a case where peoples idealism is stopping production or are there other problems with making this work legally on Linux?"
No, it is not. XMMS is distributed under the GPL. The GPL has very specific requirements about software that uses patented technology. Basically, regardless of whether or not fraunhoffer requires licensing fees means little. The only person that has a right to distribute GPL'd mp3 based software is Fraunhoffer. If Fraunhoffer did that, anyone could use MP3 GPL software for Commercial or Non-Commercial purposes.
I am not a lawyer.
Can I bet something other than my ass? I'd really hate to lose it.
EVIL Verizon Guy calls the hospital ICU...
Ring...
"Can you hear me now?"
"Good!"
EVIL Verizon Guy hangs up, cackles madly...
I own a Radeon 9800 Pro, and I've found just the opposite, at least with the Windows drivers, and their latest Linux drivers (3.2.0 or newer).
If you're having any kind of problems like that, email devrel@ati.com, someone from ATi will most likely respond rather quickly. I've emailed them before and they've been quite helpful.
This yeast is made of people! Peeeeoooppplleee!
(Pardon the Soylent Green reference).
This article has been spouting the truth I've known for a while.
I've been building up my resistance to the effects of Iocaine Powder. Never know when you're death is going to be on the line with a Sicilian opponnent.
Ahhh, but you can add exceptions. Even Stallman says you can do this.
I'm well aware of their copyright assignment. But obviously copyright means nothing to them. At least SCO hasn't proven that to me. If they're willing to ignore the GPL license under which they distributed Kernel code, how do I know they're going to not suddenly claim that you contributed patented technology without their knowledge? All I have is your word.
I'm not trying to imply that you're not a person of your word. But rather that I cannot trust your employer, and since you work for them, I therefore cannot trust you indirectly. Your employer may have earned your trust, but they have not earned mine.
So again understand that I'm not attacking you. I'm saying that I can't trust your employer, even if you're trustworthy.
And who says we want his help. Who says that SCO isn't going to turn around and sue anyone distributing gcc commercially claiming it's infringing patents just like the Linux kernel? How can we trust their contributions at all anymore.
Silly Muggle, that's exactly what the Minister of Misinformation at the Ministry of Magic wants you to think.
ta!
Sadly, it doesn't "work fine". ATi is refusing to provide any 3D hardware specific information for the 9600 / 9700 / 9800 series of cards to commercial driver developres or to the XFree project. What little is known about them has been reversed engineer from their binary drivers. Only 2D support information will eventually be provided.
ATi is of the opinion that there are too many trade secrets for them to divulge the 3d hardware programming information, they also believe that open source programmers are not competent enough to write drivers for "such advanced programmable hardware".
Wish I could be more excited but I dumped my NVidia card a month or so ago.
I am glad to see this though, the old NVidia FreeBSD drivers were pretty horrid.
To ATi I would say:
"Where are my finished Linux drivers, and FreeBSD drivers ATi? ARE YOU LISTENING?"
Seriously. Their Win32 drivers are pretty decent, but their Linux drivers need some serious performance and OpenGL work done.
In their infinite wisdom, they do not provide FreeBSD drivers, nor the information to commercial companies that want to write drivers for their 9600/9700/9800 series of cards.
It's sad really. This almost makes me wish I had kept my NVidia card...
Not anything beyond the Radeon 8500 is supported. ATi won't provide the technical specifications citing industry trade secrets and a bunch of other crap. Oh, they also don't think that Open Source programmers are capable of writing a real driver for programmable hardware like the 9600 / 9700 / 9800.
They also refuse to provide the information to XiG, so you don't even have the choice of buying a commercial driver.
Yes, I have watched the movies, and the movies in the expansion pack are far better than the original ones, but without the movies in the original one you'll miss part of the story (well, ok you can read it in your journal but you'll miss all of the nice artwork and a better idea of what the world of NeverWinter looks like).
I must admit the game is still enjoyable despite these shortcomings, but they could have made several decision different. If they were really planning to make a cross-platform game they should have picked cross platform tools.
I wouldn't call a client that unlike the Windows version lacks both movie playback and a toolset "complete".
ppffttt
Certainly not what we were led to belive we were getting when Bioware first announced a client.
Both the Mac and Windows versions get movie playback, what do we get? Nada.
Not only that the jackballs at Infogrames/Atari jacked up the the Linux installer included on the Shadows of Undrentide expansion disc by saving all the shell scripts using DOS line endings.
That's not 'technically' true. Their parent company was either Eidos or Ion Storm depending on how you look at it. Both of which still exist, only *one office* of Ion Storm closed, not Ion Storm itself :)
I was in the beta and I had no problem with the voices. Just fine to me.
"Dude, the preferred nomenclature is 'Asian-American'."
Dude that's his nickname. That's not a paraphrase or some other word they used.
Well guess what. The open source honey moon days are over. ATi has officially stated that they will not release the specifications for the 9700/9800, etc. Because open source programmers like us in so many words are too incompetent to be able to write a decent driver for fully programmable hardware and giving out the information necessary would be too advantageous to the competition anyway. So bugger off. I'm an ATi 9800 owner myself...