I don't know who was smoking so much crack that decided to raid colleges -- that was plain stupid.
1) It's not lost revenue because the college students would not have bought the stuff if they hadn't pirated it -- most of them just like to play.
2) College administration gets scared stupid and to avoid the embarassment of another public raid they tack on the cost of MS Windows to tuition and hand out a mandatory copy to every student so that NO ONE can be acused of piracy (I know of at least one university that has done this).
3) Every college student gets stuck paying for a copy of Windows whether they like it or not (notre that it's the private colleges that are more likely to do this -- and it was private colleges that were raided -- I smell a pay-off here).
The only thing this helps is software companies sell more software. It does not re-gain revenue they would have lost. College kids probably would not have bought the software (they just wanted to play with it), but the administration gats scared and makes everyone pay for a copy of it now.
The only thing that I hope (and would be a benefit to Linux) is that the college kids get sick of the bull and decide to stay away from non-Open Source stuff as much as possible when they start their careers.
I don't know why the FBI and the American public is sticking it to colleges for this -- I think the college types are now stereotyped as 31337 haX0r5 and people want them eradicated as a result. Shoot ourselves in the foot some more, huh?
I'm sick of the stuff I hear about this settlement. I've come to the conclusion that neither the civil nor federal cases are going to really do anyhting to curtail MS in any way. I say ditch any settlements and go the long road in the court case.
The best thing to come out of the DOJ case thus far is a showing to the general public of MS's "evil" business practices which has really fueled the demonizing of Microsoft. It was the demonizing of IBM in their 13 year anti-trust case that led to the growth of IBM and Microsoft as people thwarted IBM's "control".
The IBM anti-trust case really didn't do anything either, but indirectly it was very effective.
Run the cases all the way through -- I don't care how long it takes. As long as MS continues to get demonized it will suffer the same fate as IBM which seems to be the only effective solution when tecnology is involved because the lawers and judges are so damned technically illiterate.
To quote Steve Wozniak:
"Part of Gates' personality is to never, ever give up an inch of ground. But I think what they're scared of now is that they've now been categorized as evil. Everybody knew that in the industry anyway. Where it's going to hurt them is recruiting. The key to all these companies is what kind of talent they can recruit for the next generation of products. Do you really want to go work for the Evil Empire?"
That's what made apple and MS. No one wanted to work for nor buy IBM any more. OS/2 was a far superior product for a much more reliable company then MS with Windows, but companies did not want any more of IBM's control because IBM marketed it as a "whole solution" integrated with thier mainframes much like MS now markets WIndows as a "whole" solution integrated with their servers, office, ie, and soon web services.
LOL. ..since Philip Morris owns Kraft they could have donated a billion dollars in cheeze to schools. ..Wallace of "Wallace and Grommit" would be very happy. Mix in a few Triscuts they own and I'm sure everyone would love that:).
Of course since they also own Miller they could have also donated a billion dollars in beer. That would be one hell of a keg party.
Sorry but even though they are different cases the point is still clear. ..if Philip Morris donated a billion dollars in cheeze to schools the entire country would be up-in-arms. People don't understand technology so they don't care what MS gets away with.
Just run a 1 1/2" PVC pipe into the wall of every room. It's a pain in the a** to cut a hole in every 2x4 for it, but later if you need to add-change cables it makes it so very easy. PVC is also dirt cheap and very durable for this application.
BTW don't run these PVC pipes through the beams of load-bearing walls. That's common sense, though.
A professor at the University of Massachusetts named Brian Levine pointed this out and I wholeheartedly agree:
It should be regulated that every network only allow their alotted IP to leave their network -- aka egress filtering.
For example (using unassigned addresses purely for example), if you have a 192.168.5.0/24 subnet, you should not allow 10.10.5.0/24 addresses to leave it -- aka ONLY allow 192.168.5.0/24 addresses to leave it .
If everyone did this it would solve most of the IP spoofing problems and add a lot of accountability without infringing on people's privacy. Massive DoS attacks could be traced and stopped.
./s here seem to forget the biggest benefit of a Euro-GPS -- redundacy.
You can't even fathom how dependant we are on GPS already. It's amazing.
* Ships use it as a replacement for LORAN (with LORAN being the redundancy).
*The whole telco industry uses it . Rather then sending a sync signal for long-distance serial lines (aka some T-1s, etc) they use GPS (with wire-sync being the redundancy).
* A good hunk of the computer industry uses it. GPS receivers are used for many NTP servers.
* The FAA is looking into using it (as a replacement for thier ground-based radar set up to allow pilots to autonomously plot thier poin-to-point flight plans).
* The military uses it in many ways including the self-guided smart bombs, etc.
We all know that a lot of people and companies do not build in redundancy until the sh*t hits the fan andsomthing goes down. If we loose a few GPS satellites the results for those that were not careful would be catastrophic. Having a second system in place, even at a subscription cost, is VERY valuable.
BTW I highly doubt the miltary would ever shut down civilian access to GPS in anything less then a world war. The US economy is WAY too dependant on it.
What is 'educational software'? If you mean running number munchers to learn your times tables one can code somthing like that very quickly and is trivial.
Let's think a little higher level here. There's an enormous number of 'educational' scientific open-source apps already available for linux like scilab for instance. That would do wonders for math classes not even taking into consideration the fact that they have the SOURCE CODE for the entire OS. That's the best learning tool I've ever had.
As for admin'ing the machines, I would take a lower-paying UNIX admin job for a school in a heart-beat over a higher-paying high stress corporate UNIX admin job.
1. Read ALL your mail headers -- not just the FROM: line. Look particuarly at the Recieved: lines and note where the mail really came from.
1(a). If necessary check the mail logs on your SMTP server to see exactly what IP connected to you to send the message.
2. Do a 'whois' query on the transit SMTP servers.
2(a). Determine what ISPs the mail went through.
3. Check the transit SMTP servers for an open relay. If it's an open relay mail the ISP and tell them.
4. If the mail wasn't sent through an open relay you know their ISP. Contact their ISP and tell them that a person on thir net is a spammer and be sure to include ALL information you used in the process.
If you REALLY want to BILL them, you'll have to ask the ISP for their mailing address or contact info. Worse comes to worse you could always bill the ISP, but frankly this 'billing' thing is VERY harsh and I feel that just contacting them and the ISPs are sufficient.
If I remeber correctly Solaris does that. They have "VM" and "Scheduler" modules that link at boot time.
I agree that it would be VERY costly and tough to do that in Linux however it is not impossible.
Rather the loadable object files, VM and scheduler options in "make config" would be very sweet (especially for those who compile the kernel for special-purposes that need for instance a real-time scheduler or specialized VM).
I'm not technical enough to pursue this, however I would be very interested in a cost analysis of this. . . .
I've noticed the same thing. It seems as if it used to render faster (albeit, some pages were displayed incorrectly at that time, though).
Mozilla rocks, but the thing that has kept me away from it over and over again is speed. I keep trying to 'convert' to it, but the UI speed kills me. It feels like I'm selecting menus while I'm drunk.
I've used Galeon and that's better. I just wish that they could do somthing about the UI speed in Mozilla, though. I've read many bugs about it and at least around the 0.8 version the developers 'dismissed' the UI speed 'bugs' as platform issues. They would say: "Linux redering is inherantly slow. ..Mozilla seems fast enough for me. ..", etc.
The UI is slow on ALL platforms that I've used. Perhaps it will never be sped up because of the inherant problem of using their own GUI toolkit which in effect is a platform issue (their platform) that will never get fixed:(.
As soon as Boeing started offerening products and services (airplanes and flight service) the government slapped them on the ass and they split off Boeing Airlines and named it United Airlines.
Sure, one could argue that it wasn't a monopoly (there were manufacturers like McDonell Douglas and services like TWA), however it was highly ANTI-COMPETITIVE.
There are many other examples in [relatively] recent history of disallowing a company that has a large market share in a product from offering services [and thus forcing their product to use the service].
Under those precedents, I have NO IDEA why the government allows MSN to continue to be a part of the software giant MS. That is a blatant mix of inter-dependant products and services that was not that way before.
Hmm. ..what servers are you running? During "live" operating times any server that I have ever run definately never runs X, never mind a desktop.
The only time I could forsee a web server running a GUI is during maintainence, however every company that I have ever worked for does webserver maintainence via ssh or a terminal server to the console port.
The only thing I have ever seen for those distances is unfortunately a troposcatter antenna.
I have no idea what companies would sell an affordable troposcatter system. ..anyone know of one here?
Troposcatter completely overcomes the problem of the need for LOS (line of sight), however they require nightly adjustment for long distances as the E1 and E2 fields of the ionospere merge at night time (that's why you get better radio reception at night, BTW), however at that short of a distance you may not have to do any adjustment at night time.
How it works is that it refracts (not reflect as many people erroneously say -- there is no phase inversion) radio waves off of the ionosphere and back to earth to a recieving antenna.
The nice thing is at 45 miles you would not need a very powerful attena.
In the Air National Guard we use 10,000 watt troposcatter antennas to achive T-1 speeds for hundreds of miles without a satellite.
Looks like another binary compiled for one specific version of RedHat.
I use: XFree86-4.1.0-17mdk
And get the error:
X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
Major opcode of failed request: 72 (X_PutImage)
Serial number of failed request: 4985
Current serial number in output stream: 4986
Symbols are stripped. ..can't do much with it in gdb.
I don't know much on the specifics of this "Liberty Alliance Project" nor do I work for Sun,
however this seems to be another case of the infamous Sun vaporware that does everything for everyone.
If I remember correctly, this started off as a PCMCIA card that you slap into any running SunRay (dumb graphics terminal) and you're instantly logged in.
The idea was that you have all your apps run on a large E10k run by an ISP or "appication service provider" and you slap your PCMCIA card into the SunRay at your house and open StarOffice, per say. Then you leave StarOffice open, pull your card, the screen gets locked and then you go to work and slap your PCMCIA card into your SunRay there and voila! StarOffice and the document you were working on is now right in front of you. The reason for this, of course, is that you're app never stopped running -- it was on the E10k and the DISPLAY changed with the slip of your PCMCIA card.
Later, when MS introduced.NET, Sun decided to start marketing this as some form of web authentication. . . .
Now that Sep. 11th happened, it's a national ID.
Remember Jini? Sun said that it was going to change the world and connect everything from your toaster to your car to your computer? That was a huge VAT of vaporware that was simply a collection of protocols (Sun would have you believe that it was a HW/SW solution for everything).
Java was supposed to change everything, too. It was not vaporware, however because of browser incompatability most people resort to server-side Java (which defeats the purpose of cross-platform -- YOU KNOW THE PPLATFORM OF YOUR SERVER!) and does not even come close o solving all the problems that Sun claimed in practice.
The "vaporware" mentality of selling somthing very simple to everyone in the planet telling them that it's going to fix all thier problems has killed much of Sun's credability. It worked with Java, but people know better now and they should cut this crap before no one listens to thier marketing at all.
Besides, if you decide to flame Linux, at least know what you are talking about.
1) Mandrake, Slackware, RedHat, etc are not versions, but atonomous distributions.
2) The Mandrake distribution is specifiaclly compiled for a pentuim. Get Red Hat if you want to run it on a 386+.
3) There is no anti-virus software for Linux because there are no viruses (the concept of users and limited file access to a user prevents viruses from doing much harm).
4) Linux has an excellent firewall implementation called "iptables". Furthermore it's a stateful packet filter / NAT that does many things most firewalls can't.
5) IE is not a standard. It's a web browser.
The IETF NEVER encouraged the "adoption" of IE.
Standards are CSS, HTML, etc which the Mozilla, Netscape, Konqueror, Galeon, Nautilus web browsers all stick to.
6) As for the apps, you have many choices. Here are some of the MS counterparts:
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I don't know who was smoking so much crack that decided to raid colleges -- that was plain stupid.
1) It's not lost revenue because the college students would not have bought the stuff if they hadn't pirated it -- most of them just like to play.
2) College administration gets scared stupid and to avoid the embarassment of another public raid they tack on the cost of MS Windows to tuition and hand out a mandatory copy to every student so that NO ONE can be acused of piracy (I know of at least one university that has done this).
3) Every college student gets stuck paying for a copy of Windows whether they like it or not (notre that it's the private colleges that are more likely to do this -- and it was private colleges that were raided -- I smell a pay-off here).
The only thing this helps is software companies sell more software. It does not re-gain revenue they would have lost. College kids probably would not have bought the software (they just wanted to play with it), but the administration gats scared and makes everyone pay for a copy of it now.
The only thing that I hope (and would be a benefit to Linux) is that the college kids get sick of the bull and decide to stay away from non-Open Source stuff as much as possible when they start their careers.
I don't know why the FBI and the American public is sticking it to colleges for this -- I think the college types are now stereotyped as 31337 haX0r5 and people want them eradicated as a result. Shoot ourselves in the foot some more, huh?
I'm sick of the stuff I hear about this settlement. I've come to the conclusion that neither the civil nor federal cases are going to really do anyhting to curtail MS in any way. I say ditch any settlements and go the long road in the court case.
The best thing to come out of the DOJ case thus far is a showing to the general public of MS's "evil" business practices which has really fueled the demonizing of Microsoft. It was the demonizing of IBM in their 13 year anti-trust case that led to the growth of IBM and Microsoft as people thwarted IBM's "control".
The IBM anti-trust case really didn't do anything either, but indirectly it was very effective.
Run the cases all the way through -- I don't care how long it takes. As long as MS continues to get demonized it will suffer the same fate as IBM which seems to be the only effective solution when tecnology is involved because the lawers and judges are so damned technically illiterate.
To quote Steve Wozniak:
"Part of Gates' personality is to never, ever give up an inch of ground. But I think what they're scared of now is that they've now been categorized as evil. Everybody knew that in the industry anyway. Where it's going to hurt them is recruiting. The key to all these companies is what kind of talent they can recruit for the next generation of products. Do you really want to go work for the Evil Empire?"
That's what made apple and MS. No one wanted to work for nor buy IBM any more. OS/2 was a far superior product for a much more reliable company then MS with Windows, but companies did not want any more of IBM's control because IBM marketed it as a "whole solution" integrated with thier mainframes much like MS now markets WIndows as a "whole" solution integrated with their servers, office, ie, and soon web services.
Good Night.
LOL. . .since Philip Morris owns Kraft they could have donated a billion dollars in cheeze to schools. . .Wallace of "Wallace and Grommit" would be very happy. Mix in a few Triscuts they own and I'm sure everyone would love that :).
.if Philip Morris donated a billion dollars in cheeze to schools the entire country would be up-in-arms. People don't understand technology so they don't care what MS gets away with.
Of course since they also own Miller they could have also donated a billion dollars in beer. That would be one hell of a keg party.
Sorry but even though they are different cases the point is still clear. .
Transferring money out to avoid freezing will not help at ALL.
When I got stiffed by a buyer they transferred the money "automagically" from my bank account without any authorization from me nor any intervention.
They stiffed me in the same way also. I agree completely with your comment.
Granted, I did do a LOT of successful transactions using them, but that one time I got stiffed pissed me off a LOT.
Just run a 1 1/2" PVC pipe into the wall of every room. It's a pain in the a** to cut a hole in every 2x4 for it, but later if you need to add-change cables it makes it so very easy. PVC is also dirt cheap and very durable for this application.
BTW don't run these PVC pipes through the beams of load-bearing walls. That's common sense, though.
http://www.98lite.com 98lite basically strips the crap out of 98 and makes it nice and simple like 95
A professor at the University of Massachusetts named Brian Levine pointed this out and I wholeheartedly agree:
It should be regulated that every network only allow their alotted IP to leave their network -- aka egress filtering.
For example (using unassigned addresses purely for example), if you have a 192.168.5.0/24 subnet, you should not allow 10.10.5.0/24 addresses to leave it -- aka ONLY allow 192.168.5.0/24 addresses to leave it .
If everyone did this it would solve most of the IP spoofing problems and add a lot of accountability without infringing on people's privacy. Massive DoS attacks could be traced and stopped.
very interesting point. . .I wonder if Sony has made their mod sources available. . . .
. . .or you could be imginative and think of the IBM name. . ."Personal System 2". . .
.it's odd how IBM has hard-wired my brain. . .
every time I hear PS2, PS/2 pops into my head and I have to re-think. .
1.5Mbit CAP?? Here in the NE we've ALWAYS had a 1.5Mbit cap. . .what type of bandwidth were you getting before the cap???
./s here seem to forget the biggest benefit of a Euro-GPS -- redundacy.
You can't even fathom how dependant we are on GPS already. It's amazing.
* Ships use it as a replacement for LORAN (with LORAN being the redundancy).
*The whole telco industry uses it . Rather then sending a sync signal for long-distance serial lines (aka some T-1s, etc) they use GPS (with wire-sync being the redundancy).
* A good hunk of the computer industry uses it. GPS receivers are used for many NTP servers.
* The FAA is looking into using it (as a replacement for thier ground-based radar set up to allow pilots to autonomously plot thier poin-to-point flight plans).
* The military uses it in many ways including the self-guided smart bombs, etc.
We all know that a lot of people and companies do not build in redundancy until the sh*t hits the fan andsomthing goes down. If we loose a few GPS satellites the results for those that were not careful would be catastrophic. Having a second system in place, even at a subscription cost, is VERY valuable.
BTW I highly doubt the miltary would ever shut down civilian access to GPS in anything less then a world war. The US economy is WAY too dependant on it.
What is 'educational software'? If you mean running number munchers to learn your times tables one can code somthing like that very quickly and is trivial.
Let's think a little higher level here. There's an enormous number of 'educational' scientific open-source apps already available for linux like scilab for instance. That would do wonders for math classes not even taking into consideration the fact that they have the SOURCE CODE for the entire OS. That's the best learning tool I've ever had.
As for admin'ing the machines, I would take a lower-paying UNIX admin job for a school in a heart-beat over a higher-paying high stress corporate UNIX admin job.
1. Read ALL your mail headers -- not just the FROM: line. Look particuarly at the Recieved: lines and note where the mail really came from.
1(a). If necessary check the mail logs on your SMTP server to see exactly what IP connected to you to send the message.
2. Do a 'whois' query on the transit SMTP servers.
2(a). Determine what ISPs the mail went through.
3. Check the transit SMTP servers for an open relay. If it's an open relay mail the ISP and tell them.
4. If the mail wasn't sent through an open relay you know their ISP. Contact their ISP and tell them that a person on thir net is a spammer and be sure to include ALL information you used in the process.
If you REALLY want to BILL them, you'll have to ask the ISP for their mailing address or contact info. Worse comes to worse you could always bill the ISP, but frankly this 'billing' thing is VERY harsh and I feel that just contacting them and the ISPs are sufficient.
If I remeber correctly Solaris does that. They have "VM" and "Scheduler" modules that link at boot time. I agree that it would be VERY costly and tough to do that in Linux however it is not impossible. Rather the loadable object files, VM and scheduler options in "make config" would be very sweet (especially for those who compile the kernel for special-purposes that need for instance a real-time scheduler or specialized VM). I'm not technical enough to pursue this, however I would be very interested in a cost analysis of this. . . .
I've noticed the same thing. It seems as if it used to render faster (albeit, some pages were displayed incorrectly at that time, though).
.Mozilla seems fast enough for me. . .", etc.
:(.
Mozilla rocks, but the thing that has kept me away from it over and over again is speed. I keep trying to 'convert' to it, but the UI speed kills me. It feels like I'm selecting menus while I'm drunk.
I've used Galeon and that's better. I just wish that they could do somthing about the UI speed in Mozilla, though. I've read many bugs about it and at least around the 0.8 version the developers 'dismissed' the UI speed 'bugs' as platform issues. They would say: "Linux redering is inherantly slow. .
The UI is slow on ALL platforms that I've used. Perhaps it will never be sped up because of the inherant problem of using their own GUI toolkit which in effect is a platform issue (their platform) that will never get fixed
Ever hear of Boeing Airlines? Of course not.
As soon as Boeing started offerening products and services (airplanes and flight service) the government slapped them on the ass and they split off Boeing Airlines and named it United Airlines.
Sure, one could argue that it wasn't a monopoly (there were manufacturers like McDonell Douglas and services like TWA), however it was highly ANTI-COMPETITIVE.
There are many other examples in [relatively] recent history of disallowing a company that has a large market share in a product from offering services [and thus forcing their product to use the service].
Under those precedents, I have NO IDEA why the government allows MSN to continue to be a part of the software giant MS. That is a blatant mix of inter-dependant products and services that was not that way before.
Hmm. . .what servers are you running? During "live" operating times any server that I have ever run definately never runs X, never mind a desktop.
The only time I could forsee a web server running a GUI is during maintainence, however every company that I have ever worked for does webserver maintainence via ssh or a terminal server to the console port.
I really didn't need that.
Oh yeah, one other toption (I don't know if it's around any more) is to bounce off of passive satellites.
In the 1960s the US launched a bunch of "passive" satellites that are no more then a chunk of metal in space.
You reflect radio waves off of them and because they're not active repeaters, you're not limited to what you can bounce off of them.
No idea if they're still up there or if there is any equipment manufactured to use them, however it is an option you can explore.
I little over-kill, though for 45 miles. . .
The only thing I have ever seen for those distances is unfortunately a troposcatter antenna.
.anyone know of one here?
I have no idea what companies would sell an affordable troposcatter system. .
Troposcatter completely overcomes the problem of the need for LOS (line of sight), however they require nightly adjustment for long distances as the E1 and E2 fields of the ionospere merge at night time (that's why you get better radio reception at night, BTW), however at that short of a distance you may not have to do any adjustment at night time.
How it works is that it refracts (not reflect as many people erroneously say -- there is no phase inversion) radio waves off of the ionosphere and back to earth to a recieving antenna.
The nice thing is at 45 miles you would not need a very powerful attena.
In the Air National Guard we use 10,000 watt troposcatter antennas to achive T-1 speeds for hundreds of miles without a satellite.
Looks like another binary compiled for one specific version of RedHat.
.can't do much with it in gdb.
I use: XFree86-4.1.0-17mdk
And get the error:
X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
Major opcode of failed request: 72 (X_PutImage)
Serial number of failed request: 4985
Current serial number in output stream: 4986
Symbols are stripped. .
I don't know much on the specifics of this "Liberty Alliance Project" nor do I work for Sun,
.NET, Sun decided to start marketing this as some form of web authentication. . . .
however this seems to be another case of the infamous Sun vaporware that does everything for everyone.
If I remember correctly, this started off as a PCMCIA card that you slap into any running SunRay (dumb graphics terminal) and you're instantly logged in.
The idea was that you have all your apps run on a large E10k run by an ISP or "appication service provider" and you slap your PCMCIA card into the SunRay at your house and open StarOffice, per say. Then you leave StarOffice open, pull your card, the screen gets locked and then you go to work and slap your PCMCIA card into your SunRay there and voila! StarOffice and the document you were working on is now right in front of you. The reason for this, of course, is that you're app never stopped running -- it was on the E10k and the DISPLAY changed with the slip of your PCMCIA card.
Later, when MS introduced
Now that Sep. 11th happened, it's a national ID.
Remember Jini? Sun said that it was going to change the world and connect everything from your toaster to your car to your computer? That was a huge VAT of vaporware that was simply a collection of protocols (Sun would have you believe that it was a HW/SW solution for everything).
Java was supposed to change everything, too. It was not vaporware, however because of browser incompatability most people resort to server-side Java (which defeats the purpose of cross-platform -- YOU KNOW THE PPLATFORM OF YOUR SERVER!) and does not even come close o solving all the problems that Sun claimed in practice.
The "vaporware" mentality of selling somthing very simple to everyone in the planet telling them that it's going to fix all thier problems has killed much of Sun's credability. It worked with Java, but people know better now and they should cut this crap before no one listens to thier marketing at all.
LOL. .
It's so nice to see other Combat Comm'ers on slashdot!
Linux has nothing to do with this subject at all.
Besides, if you decide to flame Linux, at least know what you are talking about.
1) Mandrake, Slackware, RedHat, etc are not versions, but atonomous distributions.
2) The Mandrake distribution is specifiaclly compiled for a pentuim. Get Red Hat if you want to run it on a 386+.
3) There is no anti-virus software for Linux because there are no viruses (the concept of users and limited file access to a user prevents viruses from doing much harm).
4) Linux has an excellent firewall implementation called "iptables". Furthermore it's a stateful packet filter / NAT that does many things most firewalls can't.
5) IE is not a standard. It's a web browser.
The IETF NEVER encouraged the "adoption" of IE.
Standards are CSS, HTML, etc which the Mozilla, Netscape, Konqueror, Galeon, Nautilus web browsers all stick to.
6) As for the apps, you have many choices. Here are some of the MS counterparts:
IE: Mozilla, Netscape, Konqueror, Galeon, Nautilus
Outlook: Evolution, Kmail, Netscape Mail
Excel: Gnumeric, Kspread, OpenOffice
Word: Abiword, Kword, OpenOffice
Ignorant idiot!