but there have been alot of issues with 2.4 lately, it doesnt really seem stable enough that i'd put it on my mainframe
I took my Linux on zSeries class a month ago where we all got our own virtual machines. We ran SuSE and TurboLinux and they were still on 2.2 kernels. You really don't have to "rush" into 2.4. Plenty of apps still run on 2.2.
I guess Michael doesn't read the wires much. Search on Google for something like this and you'll see tons of articles where the wires send out corrections, like this one where Prudential's market value was underreported by 90% at its IPO!! Gimme my shirt!!
If an 'internet' is a network of networks, we should be able to build a cluster of clusters
They do. It's called Grid computing. Now that Qwest can shoot 400Gbit/s over 1,000km or something insane like that, supercomputing centers are connecting clusters with faster links than your 64-bit PCI bus.
At first, I thought it would be great if AOL built a kiosk around Linux. Target it for the five year old PCs that families are now replacing. Make an AOL kiosk out of it and give it to the kids or Grandmom. But then I got to thinking, and realized that the GPL doesn't do anything to stop AOL from releasing all their code as closed source. There really is nothing saying that they are going to contribute back to the open source community.
Then you have to look at the difference between Linus and the GNU project. Did Linus really want everything that runs under Linux to be GPL'd, or did he just want to build a solid development platform leaving room in his plans for closed-source applications?
I don't know about anyone else, but I've never trusted online bargains
I, too, rarely trust online bargains. When I want a deal to go down well, I'll spend some time getting the best price and then take that price to CDW. They've never turned down a price match I've brought to them.
I learned to do that when I was 14, and buying a Commodore 1571 drive. When everyone was selling it for $160, I found a magazine ad that I swear had to be a typo.. $45 instead of what should've been $145. I brought it to a local store that did price matching, and they honored it! I always view online buying as "first find the best price, and then find the best retailer".
I just recently started trying out eCost. So far, so good, but I haven't tried any price matching on them.
I was just wondering if anyone agrees that a big reason web technologies haven't really taken off yet in the b2b and auction markets are the pricing pressures those technologies put on the retailers. By now, businesses weren't supposed to be sending paper invoices anymore -- they were supposed to be autodiscovering each other in some global PKI directory and using XML and SOAP for billing and payments.
Technology companies have been pushing the cost savings in the new way to do business, and the new ease in finding the lowest prices available. But it seems the retailers are slow to adopt because it would mean making life much easier for consumers to find the best prices.
Imagine a Pricewatch that had fully automated pricing and one-click buying. We were supposed to be there a couple years ago.
I seriously doubt it. Over a year ago, Notes (Domino, actually) integrated the International and US versions of their product.. around the same time that the US loosened the export regs for strong encryption so long as the govt is supplied with the source code (not necessarily any backdoor keys)
It didn't come close to blade runner, 2001 or videodrome
Wow, Videodrome. Now THAT was a wacked out movie. I keep that one up there with Santa Sangre and Naked Lunch. My father-in-law absolutely loved Tron so I'll be getting this for his collection. I remember it from when I was a kid, but not all that well. I do remember kicking ass in Tron Discs at Spaceport, however:)
You might as well say that a terrorist had enough knives (one) to kill hundreds of thousands of people
You can't kill thousands of people just by removing a knife from it's sheath. Unless you expect thousands of people to line up and slit their own throats by walking past the knife tied to a tree.
Yet, you can kill that many people with anthrax by spraying it into the air with a leaf blower upwind from a small city. How about feeding a supply into the ventilation system of the next domed stadium hosting a playoff game? That's not "hundreds of thousands" but its a heluva lot worse than 5, which wasn't quite enough for the original poster.
All this disruption for a campaign that killed five people?
I was glad to see so many more people completely pissed off at that comment. The poster must not have heard that the last anthrax sent to DC was potent enough to kill "hundreds of thousands of people". When the government was too scared to open it thinking they couldn't contain it, I took notice.
It doesn't help much that I live about 15 minutes from West Trenton, NJ -- the source of all that Anthrax going to NYC and Washington.
Of course I'm still wondering why 802.11 didn't fly on AO-40. I'm sure some FCC regs got in the way of that one.. that sure would have been a much-needed leg up for amateur radio.
That's 5 years of SOLID FULL TIME "real world" experience.
Congratulations on being 23 and proud of your 5 years' experience. That puts you at precisely 18 years old getting started in the IT world. Which is an appropriate age for graduating high school.
What's being argued here are the kids who are claiming to work "40+ hours a week for 50 weeks a year" as someone else put it so perfectly, ever since they were 13. They're the ones being argued with here. You -- you're normal. You claim to have started working once you graduated high school -- not when you graduated middle school! Now you're just like many of us here.
At 16 i worked the entire summer - usually a 50 hour week - at Lucent Technologies
I think what a lot of people are saying here is that, unless you don't advance yourself, you won't count it when you're 26, and won't even mention it when you're 36. But you're right, when you're first getting started, you need to detail as much related work experience as you can.
When I was 16, I scaled fish in a 20-aisle supermarket but I also ran the weekly batch to download the updated prices from corporate for the "new" UPC-scanning cash registers. I talked about that work to get a summer internship updating JCL a couple summers later. Then, I worked in payroll and built an attendance-tracking package in paradox. I later referred to the attendance-tracking app to get another payroll job at another location, where they asked me to write a new version with more features. And all that previous work did nothing to get me a desktop support job at a university. There's plenty more where that came from, but you get the point.
Right now you're boasting "I pulled fibre for Lucent when I was 16!" but in 10 years, you're going to say, "Jeezus, I can't believe I pulled fibre and assembled wallplates for 50 hours a week at Lucent." Unless, of course, you're still pulling fibre and assembling wallplates in 10 years.
To be more precise, it is rare to be only discriminated against. Instead, what usually happens, is that a person is lazy, annoying, or useless.
Ouch, dude. I spent a year at a PC manufacturer in Somerset, NJ that was completely populated by Indians/Arabs and Chinese. No joke there were about a dozen whites in the building. I initially repaired PCs returned for warranty service, and then moved to the phones since I could speak English clearly. They provided us with sample PCs so we had something to work on when speaking with customers. I wallpapered my cube with faxed-in letters of praise from customers (something I strongly recommend).
The manager was Indian, and consistently provided the Indian techs with perks denied the rest of us -- updated PCs, phones that don't track your usage, even running an analog line to provide a cluster of Indian techs with Internet access. When 95 was released, I had to steal RAM from an unused training PC nearby. I warned him that he was discriminating against a small group of employees based on their ethnic background, and he straightened out his act.
A couple months later, someone called me for an interview I never asked for. I asked him to double my salary, and the rest is history. I've since tripled that doubling, so you can guess how well the first place paid.
Anymore I find myself taking a Linux Box (mostly RedHat) and stripping out all the packages and going and rebuilding them the way they should have been
I see comments similar to these so often anymore. People, take the time to learn kickstart. You really can make RedHat installs as lean as you want them to be. I spent 3 years on Slackware, and 3 years on RH. It's hard to beat Slackware for thin, but you can do some pretty thin setups with RH.
this requires almost double the equipment (a two-tier minimum)
you normally have 3 tiers in professional ebusiness configurations. web servers, business logic, and database servers.
patch a clean system, make a bootable CD, and insert the CD and reboot the machine. this is completely unacceptable
I think we're looking at it from two different angles. You appear to be approaching it from a datacenter admin point of view, like a Qwest rack monkey watching 1,000 servers. My approach imagines an admin with about 20 servers for one e-business/e-commerce solution. If it's one guy's job to keep maybe 8 web servers, three or four servlet engines, and four database backends running, then occasionally publishing a new CD for the web servers is not "completely unacceptable". Plus, with multiple servers, you design one clean layout, burn 8 CD's, and reboot the web servers one at a time so the site never goes down.
the second-tier server are still open to exploit
if there is no IP connectivity from the web servers to the 2nd and 3rd tier, how are you going to get there? the web server would submit an ascii url to the servlet engine, and the servlet engine would reply with the content, also over serial. the web clients won't even have access to sending url requests over the serial line. even if they crack the box, LIDS will let you specify precisely which apps/binaries can use the serial port.
it's possible to crack and root a machine even if it has a read-only root filesystem.
www.lids.org - can't get root if root isn't even root
I fail to see where a 115Kb/s serial connection is equal to a 1Mb/s link
you're right. I'm an idiot. Need more coffee. that makes the whole thing too slow for anything over 128k upstream.
One of those little rules-of-thumb is that the more complex a system becomes, the more easily it will fail.
that of course depends on how well you plan and implement.
How about running web servers booted off cd-rom getting all of their content dynamically by calling java servlets against a remote machine using the secure xfer methods covered in yesterday's secure credit card transfer discussion?
Something like a serial cable into the "servlet server" with a non-TCP/IP listener on the serial port. At max speed 115KB serial is like a 1Mbit connection. The web servers won't have IP access to the content server, and can't be defaced. Don't have to care about snort logs, tripwire -- all that happy hoo ha.
Want to run a bunch of web servers for load balancing? put an 8-port digiboard in the servlet server.
Agreed. How many people here know that "gigabytes" is actually supposed to be pronounced "jigabytes"? Many I would presume, but that would be 0.0001% of the world. "a hundred jigs" just sounds so ridiculous now.
Furthermore, the poster of the article couldn't even be consistent in *spelling* "mebibytes" or "mibibytes".
I'd prefer it if they just wouldn't post anything about MS unless its related to Linux. Fact is, bad publicity is still publicity
I, and I would think others, don't mind reading about Windows vulnerabilities here. I just see through the bias statements. One thing's for damn sure, I'm not about to start reading some Windows site for good details on the hole-of-the-week.
If you don't want to read about Microsoft here, just turn it off in your preferences.
if they said that Linux users comprised 50% of web users
I think we're all realists here. Well, many of us. Enough of us to call that finding a farce, too. I can see it now, "what sites did they poll the traffic to? kernel.org?!?! rpmfind.net?!?!" That's going overboard since you did say 50%. I'll bet ibiblio is a 50% site.
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but there have been alot of issues with 2.4 lately, it doesnt really seem stable enough that i'd put it on my mainframe
I took my Linux on zSeries class a month ago where we all got our own virtual machines. We ran SuSE and TurboLinux and they were still on 2.2 kernels. You really don't have to "rush" into 2.4. Plenty of apps still run on 2.2.
I guess Michael doesn't read the wires much. Search on Google for something like this and you'll see tons of articles where the wires send out corrections, like this one where Prudential's market value was underreported by 90% at its IPO!! Gimme my shirt!!
If an 'internet' is a network of networks, we should be able to build a cluster of clusters
They do. It's called Grid computing. Now that Qwest can shoot 400Gbit/s over 1,000km or something insane like that, supercomputing centers are connecting clusters with faster links than your 64-bit PCI bus.
At first, I thought it would be great if AOL built a kiosk around Linux. Target it for the five year old PCs that families are now replacing. Make an AOL kiosk out of it and give it to the kids or Grandmom. But then I got to thinking, and realized that the GPL doesn't do anything to stop AOL from releasing all their code as closed source. There really is nothing saying that they are going to contribute back to the open source community.
Then you have to look at the difference between Linus and the GNU project. Did Linus really want everything that runs under Linux to be GPL'd, or did he just want to build a solid development platform leaving room in his plans for closed-source applications?
I don't know about anyone else, but I've never trusted online bargains
I, too, rarely trust online bargains. When I want a deal to go down well, I'll spend some time getting the best price and then take that price to CDW. They've never turned down a price match I've brought to them.
I learned to do that when I was 14, and buying a Commodore 1571 drive. When everyone was selling it for $160, I found a magazine ad that I swear had to be a typo.. $45 instead of what should've been $145. I brought it to a local store that did price matching, and they honored it! I always view online buying as "first find the best price, and then find the best retailer".
I just recently started trying out eCost. So far, so good, but I haven't tried any price matching on them.
I was just wondering if anyone agrees that a big reason web technologies haven't really taken off yet in the b2b and auction markets are the pricing pressures those technologies put on the retailers. By now, businesses weren't supposed to be sending paper invoices anymore -- they were supposed to be autodiscovering each other in some global PKI directory and using XML and SOAP for billing and payments.
Technology companies have been pushing the cost savings in the new way to do business, and the new ease in finding the lowest prices available. But it seems the retailers are slow to adopt because it would mean making life much easier for consumers to find the best prices.
Imagine a Pricewatch that had fully automated pricing and one-click buying. We were supposed to be there a couple years ago.
Drexel University does a great job of securing their otherwise unencrypted wireless traffic with a VPN.
I seriously doubt it. Over a year ago, Notes (Domino, actually) integrated the International and US versions of their product.. around the same time that the US loosened the export regs for strong encryption so long as the govt is supplied with the source code (not necessarily any backdoor keys)
It didn't come close to blade runner, 2001 or videodrome
:)
Wow, Videodrome. Now THAT was a wacked out movie. I keep that one up there with Santa Sangre and Naked Lunch. My father-in-law absolutely loved Tron so I'll be getting this for his collection. I remember it from when I was a kid, but not all that well. I do remember kicking ass in Tron Discs at Spaceport, however
You might as well say that a terrorist had enough knives (one) to kill hundreds of thousands of people
You can't kill thousands of people just by removing a knife from it's sheath. Unless you expect thousands of people to line up and slit their own throats by walking past the knife tied to a tree.
Yet, you can kill that many people with anthrax by spraying it into the air with a leaf blower upwind from a small city. How about feeding a supply into the ventilation system of the next domed stadium hosting a playoff game? That's not "hundreds of thousands" but its a heluva lot worse than 5, which wasn't quite enough for the original poster.
All this disruption for a campaign that killed five people?
I was glad to see so many more people completely pissed off at that comment. The poster must not have heard that the last anthrax sent to DC was potent enough to kill "hundreds of thousands of people". When the government was too scared to open it thinking they couldn't contain it, I took notice.
It doesn't help much that I live about 15 minutes from West Trenton, NJ -- the source of all that Anthrax going to NYC and Washington.
it's still going on..
Of course I'm still wondering why 802.11 didn't fly on AO-40. I'm sure some FCC regs got in the way of that one.. that sure would have been a much-needed leg up for amateur radio.
That's 5 years of SOLID FULL TIME "real world" experience.
Congratulations on being 23 and proud of your 5 years' experience. That puts you at precisely 18 years old getting started in the IT world. Which is an appropriate age for graduating high school.
What's being argued here are the kids who are claiming to work "40+ hours a week for 50 weeks a year" as someone else put it so perfectly, ever since they were 13. They're the ones being argued with here. You -- you're normal. You claim to have started working once you graduated high school -- not when you graduated middle school! Now you're just like many of us here.
At 16 i worked the entire summer - usually a 50 hour week - at Lucent Technologies
I think what a lot of people are saying here is that, unless you don't advance yourself, you won't count it when you're 26, and won't even mention it when you're 36. But you're right, when you're first getting started, you need to detail as much related work experience as you can.
When I was 16, I scaled fish in a 20-aisle supermarket but I also ran the weekly batch to download the updated prices from corporate for the "new" UPC-scanning cash registers. I talked about that work to get a summer internship updating JCL a couple summers later. Then, I worked in payroll and built an attendance-tracking package in paradox. I later referred to the attendance-tracking app to get another payroll job at another location, where they asked me to write a new version with more features. And all that previous work did nothing to get me a desktop support job at a university. There's plenty more where that came from, but you get the point.
Right now you're boasting "I pulled fibre for Lucent when I was 16!" but in 10 years, you're going to say, "Jeezus, I can't believe I pulled fibre and assembled wallplates for 50 hours a week at Lucent." Unless, of course, you're still pulling fibre and assembling wallplates in 10 years.
So freshen up that resume and send it to everyone and their mother.
:)
Or send it *to* your mother! Mine got me three jobs just by talking about me to techs when they came by to service her PC.
To be more precise, it is rare to be only discriminated against. Instead, what usually happens, is that a person is lazy, annoying, or useless.
Ouch, dude. I spent a year at a PC manufacturer in Somerset, NJ that was completely populated by Indians/Arabs and Chinese. No joke there were about a dozen whites in the building. I initially repaired PCs returned for warranty service, and then moved to the phones since I could speak English clearly. They provided us with sample PCs so we had something to work on when speaking with customers. I wallpapered my cube with faxed-in letters of praise from customers (something I strongly recommend).
The manager was Indian, and consistently provided the Indian techs with perks denied the rest of us -- updated PCs, phones that don't track your usage, even running an analog line to provide a cluster of Indian techs with Internet access. When 95 was released, I had to steal RAM from an unused training PC nearby. I warned him that he was discriminating against a small group of employees based on their ethnic background, and he straightened out his act.
A couple months later, someone called me for an interview I never asked for. I asked him to double my salary, and the rest is history. I've since tripled that doubling, so you can guess how well the first place paid.
Anymore I find myself taking a Linux Box (mostly RedHat) and stripping out all the packages and going and rebuilding them the way they should have been
I see comments similar to these so often anymore. People, take the time to learn kickstart. You really can make RedHat installs as lean as you want them to be. I spent 3 years on Slackware, and 3 years on RH. It's hard to beat Slackware for thin, but you can do some pretty thin setups with RH.
Hiro, nice shredding!
this requires almost double the equipment (a two-tier minimum)
you normally have 3 tiers in professional ebusiness configurations. web servers, business logic, and database servers.
patch a clean system, make a bootable CD, and insert the CD and reboot the machine. this is completely unacceptable
I think we're looking at it from two different angles. You appear to be approaching it from a datacenter admin point of view, like a Qwest rack monkey watching 1,000 servers. My approach imagines an admin with about 20 servers for one e-business/e-commerce solution. If it's one guy's job to keep maybe 8 web servers, three or four servlet engines, and four database backends running, then occasionally publishing a new CD for the web servers is not "completely unacceptable". Plus, with multiple servers, you design one clean layout, burn 8 CD's, and reboot the web servers one at a time so the site never goes down.
the second-tier server are still open to exploit
if there is no IP connectivity from the web servers to the 2nd and 3rd tier, how are you going to get there? the web server would submit an ascii url to the servlet engine, and the servlet engine would reply with the content, also over serial. the web clients won't even have access to sending url requests over the serial line. even if they crack the box, LIDS will let you specify precisely which apps/binaries can use the serial port.
it's possible to crack and root a machine even if it has a read-only root filesystem.
www.lids.org - can't get root if root isn't even root
I fail to see where a 115Kb/s serial connection is equal to a 1Mb/s link
you're right. I'm an idiot. Need more coffee. that makes the whole thing too slow for anything over 128k upstream.
One of those little rules-of-thumb is that the more complex a system becomes, the more easily it will fail.
that of course depends on how well you plan and implement.
How about running web servers booted off cd-rom getting all of their content dynamically by calling java servlets against a remote machine using the secure xfer methods covered in yesterday's secure credit card transfer discussion?
Something like a serial cable into the "servlet server" with a non-TCP/IP listener on the serial port. At max speed 115KB serial is like a 1Mbit connection. The web servers won't have IP access to the content server, and can't be defaced. Don't have to care about snort logs, tripwire -- all that happy hoo ha.
Want to run a bunch of web servers for load balancing? put an 8-port digiboard in the servlet server.
we should pronounce them "mibs"
MIBs are already taken, too.. by SNMP. Unless you pronounce them "emm eye bees".
Everyone is already used to the current names
Agreed. How many people here know that "gigabytes" is actually supposed to be pronounced "jigabytes"? Many I would presume, but that would be 0.0001% of the world. "a hundred jigs" just sounds so ridiculous now.
Furthermore, the poster of the article couldn't even be consistent in *spelling* "mebibytes" or "mibibytes".
I'd prefer it if they just wouldn't post anything about MS unless its related to Linux. Fact is, bad publicity is still publicity
I, and I would think others, don't mind reading about Windows vulnerabilities here. I just see through the bias statements. One thing's for damn sure, I'm not about to start reading some Windows site for good details on the hole-of-the-week.
If you don't want to read about Microsoft here, just turn it off in your preferences.
slanted news
:)
Slashdot: we put the / in slanted news
if they said that Linux users comprised 50% of web users
I think we're all realists here. Well, many of us. Enough of us to call that finding a farce, too. I can see it now, "what sites did they poll the traffic to? kernel.org?!?! rpmfind.net?!?!" That's going overboard since you did say 50%. I'll bet ibiblio is a 50% site.