Yes, but the kicker is that they didn't find any mp3 files, only links to them
Evidence is not restricted to the thing allegedly trafficed. Its not unreasonable to assume that in a virtual operation like this, the computers might contain evidence of the organizations activities.
IANAL but as far as I know an Anton Pilar order is primarily designed to allow the applicant to seize property that may be subject to action or may be used as evidence in an action when it is possible that the property might be destroyed or removed from the jurisdiction of the court. (I think the Anto Pilar was a ship that was subject to action as to ownership or was security of some kind)
In that case I suspect the requirements are less onerous than search warrants and they probably only had to show that the property they were looking to seize (Computers, discs and logs etc) would be likely to be or contain evidence that might otherwise be destroyed or removed etc.
I think your biggest problem would be with the drug sellers not the police. The police would probably give you a medal.
And please don't use analogies involving drugs. If you can't see the moral difference between crack and mp3s then you are in poor shape morally. And the kids won't believe a word you say.
well look at africa and asia a little closer. most off the childer then don't live to adult hood in the areas without public assistance from the government.
The fact that so many die before adulthood rather proves that there is no government support. But the population in those areas still rises. This supports my broad point that wearing the external costs of children does not reduce population growth. Its arguable that it in fact increases population.
also the government in one of those areas were ofrceing abortions after the first child was born for quite some time.
I presume you said forceing so you are referring to China. The one child policy was selectively enforced in rural areas, again areas where poverty and the withdrawal of government facilities was most noticable after the liberalization started. And again support for my point.
i actually like the argueing from the enviromental wako's (yes you) and those that think the earth is becoming overpopulated.
I don't know how you came to this conclusion based on my post. I don't think at all that overpopulation is an issue except in areas where it destroys the enviornment.
. kinda like watching jerry springer, you soon realize your better off because you actually saw someone worse than you.
The difference between you and me is that I get that feeling from comparing myself to the audience, not the guests.
the best we could hope for is wiping out a few species (that acording to evolution should re-apeer) and maybe make it inhabitable for the majority of us.
Which shows how little you understand about science, how much you underestimate human capacity for stupidity, and how much you overestimate your chances of being one of the survivors.
If people had to bear the external costs of their own production (offspring), there would be far fewer problems with overpopulation.
This argument falls apart a bit if you consider the areas of the world where population is rising beyond the local capacity; Africa and Asia. Neither has much government support for families so they do bear most of the costs of their produce that would be externalized in Western society.
I will not come close to causing the same damage to the planet as those of you with 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9 kids.
So me and my wife and our three kids who have about as much money to spend as you, are going to do more damage with that money over the 20 years we live together as a family unit than you. Perhaps, but I doubt if its anywhere near 5 times as much.
Perhaps the figures break down after 8 or 9 kids. I know I certainly would.
Well I suppose the ones who worked to save german soldiers lives may have been. But where does that leave scientists like those that ran the Tuskagee experiments.
Or perhaps you'd rather we just threw the money into some secret black box projects, never to see the light of day?
Well the Blackbird was pretty cool. In fact it was the coolest damm piece of tech so far developed.
And I for one would rather see them flying around taking pictures than a bunch of autonomous laser tanks trying to miss civilians as they take out the eye of some dumb third world conscripted grunt who happens to be wearing the uniform of the 'enemy de jour' just so joe sixpack can read the paper while he 'drives' to work in his SUV.
Q: What do you call a motorized transport wherein you can freely read the newspaper and converse with fellow travellers and not need to worry about passing traffic?
Putting dollars over rights is hardly a good lesson to teach your students
Perhaps. But picking your fights is a lesson that everyone should learn.
I questioned her decision but after this can understand why
This makes no sense at all. Are you saying it was on the basis of what she thought the two Deans would do if faced with a decision such as this. And if so how did she decide this would have been their reaction. Past experience?
We combine simple experiments and numerical simulations to study the effect of a large, single gas bubble rising underneath a floating body. Our motivation is the possible hazards arising from naturally occurring methane gas hydrates in the North Sea. For floating bodies that possess a hull length of similar scale to the bubble's radius of curvature, we identify the conditions for the floating body to sink. Our experiments allow us to extend and benchmark numerical simulations using smoothed particle hydrodynamics. There is good agreement between the simulations and experiment. (C)2003 American Association of Physics Teachers.
Answered my own question. This from the abstract to the article in Amer Jnl of Physics (it was referenced in the MSN article on the topic)
So the article is not so much about the discovery that methane might sink ships but about the conditions under which it can happen together with the mathmatics of the situation.
Its probably good math and advances the usefulness of smoothed particle hydrodynamics. We can say that bubbles sink ships but these guys are trying to find out how big the bubble has to be etc. Discovery channel probably put a hugh bubble in their tank so that the effect would be obvious.
Its a pity it got reported as a discovery and instantly attracts derision because its been around for 10 years as a theory.
I went to the authors home pages etc and there is no mention of this work in either area. It make you wonder what the story was based on.
Both guys work in areas associated with modeling and fluid dynamics so you can see that they might have been associated with it but if it was good enough to get into the news you'd think they would have some reference to it on their sites or their schools sites.
Calm down boy. The White Paper says that Vulcan is the top funder of PIPEs. It does not say that they are behind BayStar any more than the other 9 companies in the list of the top ten.
If you short the amount you hold all you are doing is protecting your capital amount. What you win on the shorts is what you lose on the shares and vice versa.
So unless there is something else I think the original post misses the point.
Not 'the' mistakes, just mistakes. Specifically in his quest to dominate the recording industry as explained in the referred article and elsewhere.
As for Tesla I don't know if he made mistakes. I don't know what he was trying to achieve so I don't know if he made mistakes as he went about trying to achieve it. Because someone doesn't make money it doesn't mean they made mistakes in what they did.
For all I know Edison made so many godawful mistakes that he failed utterly to take control of the world as he would have if his plan succeeded.
If you had the chance to cook your DNA before handing it into a database then no-one has anything to worry about . With a chain of evidence like that who could ever prove whose dna is whose.
Or you'll look like an alien and get picked up and dissected first time someone looks at your sample.
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NPR is left-wing only if you believe that "if you are not with us, you are against us"
Evidence is not restricted to the thing allegedly trafficed. Its not unreasonable to assume that in a virtual operation like this, the computers might contain evidence of the organizations activities.
No one has ever died from an overdose of poorly manufactured home made mp3's. It's pretty simple really
No but I for one am eagerly awaiting the full scale commercialization of teledildonics.
In that case I suspect the requirements are less onerous than search warrants and they probably only had to show that the property they were looking to seize (Computers, discs and logs etc) would be likely to be or contain evidence that might otherwise be destroyed or removed etc.
And please don't use analogies involving drugs. If you can't see the moral difference between crack and mp3s then you are in poor shape morally. And the kids won't believe a word you say.
The fact that so many die before adulthood rather proves that there is no government support. But the population in those areas still rises. This supports my broad point that wearing the external costs of children does not reduce population growth. Its arguable that it in fact increases population.
also the government in one of those areas were ofrceing abortions after the first child was born for quite some time.
I presume you said forceing so you are referring to China. The one child policy was selectively enforced in rural areas, again areas where poverty and the withdrawal of government facilities was most noticable after the liberalization started. And again support for my point.
i actually like the argueing from the enviromental wako's (yes you) and those that think the earth is becoming overpopulated.
I don't know how you came to this conclusion based on my post. I don't think at all that overpopulation is an issue except in areas where it destroys the enviornment.
. kinda like watching jerry springer, you soon realize your better off because you actually saw someone worse than you.
The difference between you and me is that I get that feeling from comparing myself to the audience, not the guests.
the best we could hope for is wiping out a few species (that acording to evolution should re-apeer) and maybe make it inhabitable for the majority of us.
Which shows how little you understand about science, how much you underestimate human capacity for stupidity, and how much you overestimate your chances of being one of the survivors.
goood day and thanks for the laugh.
No, thank you.
Where is the punch line.
Is it perhaps the 'all nice and well' rather than the more traditional 'all well and good'.
I'm sorry. I just don't get it.
This argument falls apart a bit if you consider the areas of the world where population is rising beyond the local capacity; Africa and Asia. Neither has much government support for families so they do bear most of the costs of their produce that would be externalized in Western society.
I will not come close to causing the same damage to the planet as those of you with 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9 kids.
So me and my wife and our three kids who have about as much money to spend as you, are going to do more damage with that money over the 20 years we live together as a family unit than you. Perhaps, but I doubt if its anywhere near 5 times as much.
Perhaps the figures break down after 8 or 9 kids. I know I certainly would.
And my wife ... well we won't go there.
thank you. i knew there was something wrong with that quote but yours is the most sussinct distillation of all the arguments i've heard.
What the hell did the other 8% think it was, a fringe benefit?
to write 1400 words when a small table would do nicely
Well I suppose the ones who worked to save german soldiers lives may have been. But where does that leave scientists like those that ran the Tuskagee experiments.
Well the Blackbird was pretty cool. In fact it was the coolest damm piece of tech so far developed.
And I for one would rather see them flying around taking pictures than a bunch of autonomous laser tanks trying to miss civilians as they take out the eye of some dumb third world conscripted grunt who happens to be wearing the uniform of the 'enemy de jour' just so joe sixpack can read the paper while he 'drives' to work in his SUV.
Q: What do you call a motorized transport wherein you can freely read the newspaper and converse with fellow travellers and not need to worry about passing traffic?
A: The Bus.
Perhaps. But picking your fights is a lesson that everyone should learn.
I questioned her decision but after this can understand why
This makes no sense at all. Are you saying it was on the basis of what she thought the two Deans would do if faced with a decision such as this. And if so how did she decide this would have been their reaction. Past experience?
Answered my own question. This from the abstract to the article in Amer Jnl of Physics (it was referenced in the MSN article on the topic)
So the article is not so much about the discovery that methane might sink ships but about the conditions under which it can happen together with the mathmatics of the situation.
Its probably good math and advances the usefulness of smoothed particle hydrodynamics. We can say that bubbles sink ships but these guys are trying to find out how big the bubble has to be etc. Discovery channel probably put a hugh bubble in their tank so that the effect would be obvious.
Its a pity it got reported as a discovery and instantly attracts derision because its been around for 10 years as a theory.
Must have been a slow science news day Tuesday.
Both guys work in areas associated with modeling and fluid dynamics so you can see that they might have been associated with it but if it was good enough to get into the news you'd think they would have some reference to it on their sites or their schools sites.
'Whale flatulance stuns scientists' indeed
drug companies are reluctant to sell high cost drugs into poor countries at below cost.
Calm down boy. The White Paper says that Vulcan is the top funder of PIPEs. It does not say that they are behind BayStar any more than the other 9 companies in the list of the top ten.
If you short the amount you hold all you are doing is protecting your capital amount. What you win on the shorts is what you lose on the shares and vice versa.
So unless there is something else I think the original post misses the point.
If Japs is racist slang then you can't call me an Aussie anymore, Yank.
References please. I have not heard this bit of history or maybe I understand what happened differently.
As for Tesla I don't know if he made mistakes. I don't know what he was trying to achieve so I don't know if he made mistakes as he went about trying to achieve it. Because someone doesn't make money it doesn't mean they made mistakes in what they did.
For all I know Edison made so many godawful mistakes that he failed utterly to take control of the world as he would have if his plan succeeded.
Or you'll look like an alien and get picked up and dissected first time someone looks at your sample.