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Slashback: Diebold, Peroxide, Comdex

Slashback brings you updates tonight on Diebold's attempts to bring undisclosed-source, unauditable black-box voting to a ballot box near you, John Carmack's search for (rocket-fuel, not hair) peroxide, AT&T's (withdrawn) request for its customers' mail server addresses, open source goings on at Comdex, and more -- read on for the details.

Diebold Election Systems Round 2 in MD zznate writes "Looks like Diebold is not going to get off the hook so easily in Maryland after all. For anyone local, feel free to contact delegates Hixson or Hollinger to express your support. Perhaps they could even receive a copy or two (or fifty ;-) of the documents listed here."

Diebold is having an easier time at Swarthmore. yoshi_mon writes "Previously reported on /. was the Swarthmore Students Effort to keep the Diebold leaked memo's online. However that effort has been quashed by one Dean Bob Gross. To quote the dean, "We can?t get out in front in this fight against Diebold." BlackBoxVoting.com reports that '[Swarthmore College] is not willing to take a strong stand against Diebold, and is systematically disabling the network access of any student who hosts the files.'"

AT&T says Ha, just kidding! An anonymous reader writes "In an update to an earlier Slashdot article, Telco giant AT&T rushed to withdraw two notices sent to business partners and customers asking for the IP addresses of all outbound SMTP servers because of a 'human error' gaffe."

All this and cheap shrimp cocktail. blackbearnh writes "While the topic has been raised, I thought I'd mention a few other things going on at COMDEX Open-Source wise.

First off, the Open Source and Linux track has been expanded from a half-dozen sessions last year to nearly twenty this year. These will cover everything from the basics of Open Source (taught by folks like Ken Coar of Apache) to an intro to PHP led by Rasmus Lerdorf.

On the show floor, a massive 2500 sq foot Open Source Innovation Center will serve as the site for hourly talks by Open Source evangelists on business-related topics such as case studios proving the benefits of Open Source. There will also be a staffed "clinic" area where attendees can get advice on what Open Source technologies would work well in their business. There will also be install parties held at noon each day, where attendees can bring their laptops to get help installing MySQL or Debian. And lastly, a .ORG village inside the center will host representitives from more than a dozen prominent Open Source organizations, including OpenOffice and Mozilla.

Also, the COMDEX/ApacheCon exchange program continues this year. COMDEX members can get access to the ApacheCon expo floor and BOF sessions, while ApacheCon member can visit the COMDEX show floor and the Open Source keynotes. Shuttle service will link the two conventions.

James Turner
Co-Chair, Open Source, Fall 2003 COMDEX"

It's a crapshoot, eh. Dick Faze writes " Royal Bank of Canada is part of a $50 Million investment in SCO: Has our communist neighbor to the north finally flipped completely?" (We know Mr. Faze is being facetious, here ... don't we?) This is the same $50,000,000 investment deal in which some people suspected Microsoft's involvment.

Patent Office Cancels Swing Patent An anonymous reader writes "Remember the swing patent issued last year covering the method of swinging a swing? Well, the Patent Office must've taken offense at the amount of criticism it received over this patent. It initiated a reexam proceeding and after a year's worth of reexamination, they cancelled the patent on July 1, 2003."

But all the other patents are up to snuff, don't worry.

Carmack's Peroxide Troubles Over? Rob Jellinghaus writes "John Carmack's aerospace company has had problems getting enough concentrated 90% peroxide for their engines. So they have been working on mixed monoprop engines that would need only 50% peroxide, which would pretty much end their fuel troubles for good. They have had many failures, but they may have just succeeded. In his words: 'This is Very Good.'"

Remember, most of the world is still dial-up, at best. Anothermouse Cowered writes "It's a router, it's a firewall, it's a home gateway it's a... In another giant leap for the Open Source community, you can now hack on your own embedded Linux system for under $70. The source code for the ActionTEC Dual modem previously mentioned on Slashdot ('Hacking the Actiontec 56k Modem/Gateway') in September has now been released under the GPL. Downloads available here."

225 comments

  1. Re:Carmack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So much doom!

  2. Canada isn't communist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the royal bank doesn't know what the hell they are doing.

    1. Re:Canada isn't communist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's a hell of a lot closer to reality than the /. tin foil hat wearing knee-jerkers calling the Bank of Canada "Microsoft."

      Peter Galli: Money invested in SCO - why, I have no evidence whatsoever, but it MUST be Microsoft!

      SCO: We have no MS money.

      Peter Galli: Liars! /.: Wow, that's a shocking accusation without any supporting evidence whatsoever, I think I'll put that on the front page! /. reader: OMG, how could MS do such a horrible, horrible thing!

    2. Re:Canada isn't communist by schon · · Score: 1

      Well maybe not, but (like most of the rest of the industrialized world,) we're socialist, and most American's don't know the difference.

    3. Re:Canada isn't communist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yeah, and I'm sure you could tell the difference between Molson and Molson Ice blindfolded. To anyone else, the difference is insignificant.

      Commie. ;)

    4. Re:Canada isn't communist by Microsofts+slave · · Score: 1
      I'll bet they dont! First off, people are misreading this.

      Its a loan, not a direct investment from the bank of canada. Second of all wtf is the bank of canada thinking in investing in SCO, after all once this whole lawsuit is over the company will file for chapter eleven!

      --

      Tragek

    5. Re:Canada isn't communist by showler · · Score: 1

      First off, I'm pretty sure there is a difference between the Bank of Canada and the Royal Bank of Canada. Secondly, I'm glad I've been getting out of the Royal Bank lately.

    6. Re:Canada isn't communist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Bank of Canada, the national bank is not Royal Bank, which is a private financial institution.

    7. Re:Canada isn't communist by spinspin · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Royal Bank of Canada, is not actually the same thing as the Bank of Canada. The name is somewhat deceptive, but it's just a bank, like Bank of America is just a bank. Non governmental is the key here...

    8. Re:Canada isn't communist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Actually we have had a Totalitarian Liberal Conservative government since the Conservative Liberals split the vote between the Progressive Conservative Liberals and the Reformed Alliance of Conservative Liberals. The Pseudo Communist Conservatively Liberally Conservative Socalist New Democrats have never held power.

      We haven't had any really refreshing political viewpoints since the Rhinoceros Party disbanded.

      Canada does actually have an active Communist party. One of their people was actually elected and sat in the back bench in the house of commons for a term. They haven't really been listened to since. The US solution to the communist "problem" was to spend massive amounts of money and destroy the lives of countless innocents on a witch hunt. The Canadians just let one communist person get elected "problem" solved.

      There is one new party that could stir things up in the next few decades, however, Big Oil will probably find a way to convince the Republicrats and Demicans in the US to convince the ConservitavelyLiberalConservativeSocialists in the pseudo state to the north to stamp out the Green Party at any cost.

    9. Re:Canada isn't communist by petabyte · · Score: 1

      On behalf of American's that do know the difference (My degree in International Relations currently doesn't give me much more than the ability to "claim I know" what I'm talking about in politics) I'd like to apologize for the assholes who don't (majority of those who replied to your post).

      Most American's do know the difference when they're out of work, without universal (although Canada's health care does have a bad rap down here) health care and struggling to survive with only "reformed" welfare (which is totally fscked up by the way).

      Others talked about how we're a representative government. opensecrets.org can provide you with a quick guide to who your government is representing.

      Don't attack other countries for their "problems" if you're not willing to address your own.

    10. Re:Canada isn't communist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I apologize on behalf of Americans Who Know The Difference Between Posessives and Plurals and Still Hate Commies Even When They Call Themselves Socialists (TM). ;)

    11. Re:Canada isn't communist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As the other anonymous shmuck said, nice work on the basic structure of English. Your degree is nice and all, but it doesn't help much if you ignore everything you were taught before your 18th birthday.

    12. Re:Canada isn't communist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not reading it right either.

      The article speaks of "The Royal Bank of Canada" ("RBC" for short), which is an ordinary bank. (You know, with tellers and savings accounts and all.)

      By contrast, "The Bank of Canada" is a branch of the Canadian federal government, the fixer of interest rates and issuer of currency, whose closest U.S. equivalent is the Treasury Department.

  3. 50% peroxide by homer_ca · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's good that they have a supplier now, but wouldn't that mean that the other 50% is dead weight in water?

    1. Re:50% peroxide by silentbozo · · Score: 1

      Don't think of it as dead weight. Think of it as added reaction mass.

    2. Re:50% peroxide by paganizer · · Score: 1

      Hey, what happens when you pass heavy current through 50% Hydrogen Peroxide?

      --
      Why, yes, I AM a Pagan Libertarian.
    3. Re:50% peroxide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ask the sailors on the Kursk. Oh wait, they're dead.

    4. Re:50% peroxide by gladbach · · Score: 3, Funny

      so this explains why carmack and most of his team all have platinum colored hair now....

      --
      "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms,
    5. Re:50% peroxide by EoRaptor · · Score: 1

      When heated suddenly, the conversion of water to steam produces a great deal of expansion, and therefor thrust. Much more so than just heating air or using combustion end products. This also draws heat away from the engine itself, and helps keep things cool(er).

      This 'water -> steam = expansion' is the most ancient of tricks for turning heat into mechnaical force, and there is no reason to give it up now.

    6. Re:50% peroxide by Prune · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      That's hilarious! Reminds me of another one:
      NASA = Need Another Seven Astronauts
      LOL!

      --
      "Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
  4. Open Source will crush Closed Source by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 1, Troll

    From the growing interest in Open Source at each successive Comdex, it is clear that at some point the interest in Open Source will outweigh the interest in Closed Source. We can already see a replacement of the standard Closed Source presentations (lectures, classes, etc.) by brash, up and coming Open Source presentations. Also, the floor space occupied by Open Source presenters is growing and crowding out Closed Source vendors.

    At this rate of growth, it is more than likely that we could see Open Source fully replace Closed Source as THE viable software solution within 10 years. Just 5 years ago Open Source was a joke, but today it is a serious threat to the Closed Source business model. In 10 years time when these Open Source projects and their developers mature, they will be unstoppable.

    Yay Open Source!

    1. Re:Open Source will crush Closed Source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The developers not only need to mature, but they'll also need to take showers and put on clean t-shirts.

    2. Re:Open Source will crush Closed Source by Bendebecker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It isn't so certain. The open source/closed source philosphy oddly enough often swings with the economy. The classic example of this is the homebrew computer club. When the industry fell into a recession, this club was all about open source - how did you do that? Look waht I did? and so on. Then as the market began to improve and the members started realizing there ideas were profitable they began to move towards the closed source - I can't tell you that. etc. The industry goes down in flames and people sit together and start sharing but when the market turns back (partly cause these open source projects start looking like they can develope into money makers) they go closed source again. As such it is not suprising that the industry has returned to open source in a big way in the last five years. It is out of these projects, alliances, etc that the industry will return to its former glory. Whether open source is here to stay is a question you shouldn't really ask in a recession, its one you should ask in a boom. Personally, I don't think it is ever going to outpace closed source. The simple reason for this is it is money made from open source collaborators and projects that went closed that brought the industry out of the last recession. There is simply more money to be had in closed than open and since we live in a capitalist environment the more money something makes the more sucessful it will always be. Now, the governments patents and overly expensive licenses may prove me wrong but most of boom builders don't come out of big corporations and usually don't come under the stuff of patents. The industry giants miss the new waves and the little fish always get by - not even SCO thinks going after the little guy is worth it. You may be working on some app with a buddy in open source right now but in a few years time when you see the money being put on the table again (as opposed to the ramen noodle soup), chances are your collaboration will go closed. Everyone loves to share when there just toys but when they becoem products and you need the money its a different story. In ten years time, when todays open source calloborators take their ideas to the closed source model while the industry recovers, the open ource people will again be sidelined. But then of course, the market always overcompensates, goes too closed source, the big guys blow it, and the market fall again. Simply put, open source is a nest: the new generation is in the process of hatching but they like there forebears before wil eventaully have to leave that nest.

      --
      There's a growing sense that even if The Future comes,
      most of us won't be able to afford it.
      -- Lemmy
  5. Don't do this... by setzman · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Perhaps they could even receive a copy or two (or fifty ;-) of the documents listed here."

    Please do not spam these people with 50 11MB files. If each member of the slashdot crowd even sends one copy, their mail servers will be overwhelmed and our efforts will be ignored. Perhaps someone can print paper copies to send to them?

    --
    C:\>
    1. Re:Don't do this... by dtfinch · · Score: 1

      A printed copy would be like 50000 pages right?

  6. AntiSCO sites? by Davak · · Score: 1

    It's a crapshoot, eh. Dick Faze writes " Royal Bank of Canada is part of a $50 Million investment in SCO: Has our communist neighbor to the north finally flipped completely?" (We know Mr. Faze is being facetious, here ... don't we?) This is the same $50,000,000 investment deal in which some people suspected Microsoft's involvment.

    Is there some web site that documents all the companies that are investing in SCO?

    I have been watching this SCO watch site for while... but it's not all that frequently updated. In depth, yes... but I just want to know every bastard company that I should be avoiding. Give me a list...

    1. Re:AntiSCO sites? by mrseigen · · Score: 1

      From what I've seen the Royal Bank uses a UNIX-based system for everything, maybe it is an SCO operating system. *shrug* I definitely don't feel like I should put my money there.

    2. Re:AntiSCO sites? by CB-in-Tokyo · · Score: 1
      According to Groklaw's Sources, there is this following connection between Microsoft and the RBC.

      'You can have great security without privacy I suppose,' says Peter Cullen, former chief privacy officer of Royal Bank of Canada and newly appointed chief privacy strategist for Microsoft, 'but you can't have great privacy without great security.'"

      Maybe Microsoft owns Canada.

    3. Re:AntiSCO sites? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      As a Royal Bank customer, I can't $?*%$# believe they are investing in SCO and they won't even give me a $5,000 loan (I make good money, have had the same job for several years). What a bunch of dumb cunts.

    4. Re:AntiSCO sites? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Did you refer to them as "dumb cunts" when submitting the application?

      Maybe that has something to do with it.

    5. Re:AntiSCO sites? by booch · · Score: 1

      Yes, there's a good site collecting all the information relevant to the SCO cases: SCOvsIBM. They've got an executive summary, analysis, a time-line, and links to almost every SCO article out there. The 2 other good sources are Groklaw and SCO's page, which has the actual legal documents pertaining to the case.

      --
      Software sucks. Open Source sucks less.
  7. Diebold memos mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The memos are available for download here. French server, decent bandwidth, out of the reach of any DMCA-wielding company.

    1. Re:Diebold memos mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you remember DeCSS? No-one is out of reach of the DMCA.

    2. Re:Diebold memos mirror by bobbozzo · · Score: 1

      Stuff like this really needs to be put into P2P systems like Freenet (if it hasn't already). This it what Freenet was designed for.

      --
      Nothing to see here; Move along.
    3. Re:Diebold memos mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      workin on it

  8. SCO will learn! by Valar · · Score: 2, Funny

    Money can't buy justice!

    Err... um, money didn't always buy justice!

    1. Re:SCO will learn! by ces · · Score: 1

      Money can't buy justice!

      Err... um, money didn't always buy justice!/I.

      If money does buy justice you really shouldn't go around picking on people with more of it than you.

      $50 million is pocket change for IBM.

      Of course "don't get involved in an intellectual property lawsuit with IBM" is right up there with "don't get involved in a land war in Asia" for things not to do.

      --
      Happy Fun Ball is for external use only.
    2. Re:SCO will learn! by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 2, Funny
      Of course "don't get involved in an intellectual property lawsuit with IBM" is right up there with "don't get involved in a land war in Asia" for things not to do.

      For those playing along at home, "Remember to close your <i> tag." was number three.

      YLFI
      --
      One god, one market, one truth, one consumer.
    3. Re:SCO will learn! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who needs justice? Money will buy you two chicks at the same time.

    4. Re:SCO will learn! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the chicken farmer down the road from us, will sell you 30 or 40 chicks at a time. But who needs that many chickens?

    5. Re:SCO will learn! by Pii · · Score: 1
      And never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line!

      Bwa ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha...

      *Thump*

      --
      For those that would die defending it, Freedom
      has a sweet taste that the protected will never know.
    6. Re:SCO will learn! by ces · · Score: 1

      Doh! (in Homer Simpson voice)

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      Happy Fun Ball is for external use only.
  9. Motives for the Royal Bank of Canada? by pilot1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Are there any motives that I'm missing, other than the fact that they are trying to capitalize on SCO's FUD?
    Maybe they have money invested in Micro$oft?
    Or they have something to lose from SCO (or M$ for that matter) going under?
    Anyone?

    1. Re:Motives for the Royal Bank of Canada? by itsari · · Score: 1
      I only know two things:
      1. The Royal Bank of Canada changed it's name to RBC Finacial Group when it decided to start doing business south of the border (US). Maybe that was to shed their Canadian identity?
      2. Don't hold the actions of ONE company against my country by calling us communists. After all, SCO is an American company...
    2. Re:Motives for the Royal Bank of Canada? by psyconaut · · Score: 1

      Yes, we are SOCIALISTS not COMMUNISTS! :-p

      -psy

    3. Re:Motives for the Royal Bank of Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The Royal Bank of Canada changed it's name to RBC Finacial Group when it decided to start doing business south of the border (US). Maybe that was to shed their Canadian identity?"

      All the big Canadian banks that have tried to break into US markets have done this...

      Royal Bank is now RBC
      Bank of Montreal is now BMO
      Toronto Dominion is now TD/TD Waterhouse

      But Scotia Bank is still Scotia Bank as an example.

      Can't do business on Wall St. otherwise.

    4. Re:Motives for the Royal Bank of Canada? by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 1
      2. Don't hold the actions of ONE company against my country by calling us communists. After all, SCO is an American company...

      You mean the guys at SCO are communists too???

      Man, now they're in deep trouble.

      --
      Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
  10. Mature? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    I don't know ... personally I think Open Source is already pretty mature. The problem, as I see it, is more a matter of salesmanship and public awareness that any issue with software/developer quality. That and combatting near-Biblical quantities of MS FUD.

    --
    The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    1. Re:Mature? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maturity means more than "it works really well".

      It means that the programmer API has settled down and been brought into focus. This is where the myriad of "solutions" offered for Linux GUI programming fall far short of Microsoft and Apple. Tk, Qt, etc. They are all disparate toolkits that do not work and play well with each other. Contrast that with Windows or Mac programming where the basic system API is nailed down and the toolkits that lay on top of the basic API work well with it.

      It also means that the development/testing cycle becomes formalized and that a true regression test suite becomes a standard part of every major OSS project.

      It also means that the naming of OSS projects becomes less geeky and more straightforward. SATAN and Ogg Vorbis are terrible names. Linux and MySQL are good names. As the projects and developers mature (moreso the latter) childish project naming will hopefully give way to more thoughtful naming.

      As long as OSS projects and developers remain immature in the ways described above, there is no need for MS to spread FUD about the OSS movement. It does a good enough job feeding fear, uncertainty, and doubt about itself.

  11. Suprnova BitTorrent link to Diebold memos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    http://suprnova.lagalot.com/torrents/469/lists.tgz (1).torrent

    1. Re:Suprnova BitTorrent link to Diebold memos by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 2, Informative

      works better this way torrent link

      Jonah Hex

  12. Indymedia link dead by interociter · · Score: 1
    The link to Indymedia's hosting of the Diebold documents is dead. Can someone provide a new link?

    Even better, can someone print out the docs and mail/Fed Ex them to the Maryland Representatives mentioned? I'll kick in to help with postage.

    --
    Interociter
    -=What do I want? I'm an American. I want more.
    1. Re:Indymedia link dead by Anonumous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Sending the postage is cumbersome. Download Bev Harris' book and Diebold's internal memos from here (fast, blocks MSIE) or here (slow), print them, and send them off yourself. Keep a copy ;)

    2. Re:Indymedia link dead by DesertWolf0132 · · Score: 1
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      No animals were harmed in the making of this sig.
      Well, there was that one puppy, but he is all better now.
    3. Re:Indymedia link dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      search for GEMSIS-1-18-17.zip

  13. Re:attention canadians. by TedCheshireAcad · · Score: 1, Troll

    Is it just me, or are we all so interested to read these documents only because they are "forbidden". I mean clearly, it's a good thing to know about the gross insecurities of an electronic voting system, but the rush to mirror and distribute this information seems to be like doing something just because Mommy said you can't.

    Reminds me of, "Ralphie, what is your fascination with Daddy's forbidden closet of mystery?"

  14. Ease up on Bob Gross by Jad+LaFields · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just want to note that the write up about Swarthmore Dean Bob Gross above is a bit harsh. As I understand (I was unable to go to the large meeting that where this was discussed), he decided that while what the students were doing was a bold and important step, the college just did not have the financial resources to fight what could be a protracted legal battle with a large company like Diebold, especially when organiziations like the EFF are already involved in the issue. And I can understand this.

    But while the college is not formally supporting the students on this cause, they are not cutting off student's access or anything like that. Why-War? is hosted off-campus and is continuing to spread the memos around. Several people are getting in contact with other schools in an effort to spread them in a more underground, but still visible, way.

    Check out more on it on Swarthmore's Daily Gazette. The Phoenix should have something up on this soon, too.

    --
    [SIG] It's like putting a moose in the blender -- a recipe for disaster!
    1. Re:Ease up on Bob Gross by The+Importance+of · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unfortunately, Swarthmore is now taking down student websites that link to Why War? http://importance.typepad.com/the_importance_of/20 03/10/swarthmore_crac.html

  15. Lies! All Lies! by humanerror · · Score: 5, Funny
    Telco giant AT&T rushed to withdraw two notices sent to business partners and customers asking for the IP addresses of all outbound SMTP servers because of a 'human error' gaffe.

    I swear, I was nowhere near that gaffe.

    --
    "We're an apex predator with the fecundity of a base level herbivore... We're a virus with shoes..." RazorJAK
  16. email addy for Dean Bob Gross.. by Newer+Guy · · Score: 1

    rgross1@swarthmore.edu Let's let ol' Gross Bob know how we feel about his decision! Maybe submitting swarthmore's mail server to the Slashdot effect will help him get the message!

    1. Re:email addy for Dean Bob Gross.. by cgranade · · Score: 1

      Give it up... we can't always win, you know. Do you think it was easy to make that sort of a descision? Or what would happen if he didn't? Which is worse? Running from this battle and keep educating students, or fighting Diebold to the death and having to shut down? I hate Diebold, too, but we must know when to fight and when not to fight and whent to take the fight elsewhere. We cannot fight a corporation from any one point. We must be a storm, a pandemonium, an omnipresent torrent of small voices. We cannot win except by diversifing. Imagine: every /.er here got on KaZaa, LimeWire, DirectConnect, iMesh, and all the other P2Ps sharing only the Diebold memos. Diebold could sue one, maybe two networks but, then what? Freenet and Frost. GIA. A swarm of independant voices that have no single point to squash. That is my vision.

      --

      #define DRM chmod 000

    2. Re:email addy for Dean Bob Gross.. by venom600 · · Score: 1

      That's a pretty lame way to get your point across. The university just doesn't want to get stuck in the middle of a legal battle over this. Which makes perfect sense to me......their main focus (by main focus, I mean, where their finances should go) should be educating people, not fighting legal battles.

    3. Re:email addy for Dean Bob Gross.. by number11 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let's let ol' Gross Bob know how we feel about his decision! Maybe submitting swarthmore's mail server to the Slashdot effect will help him get the message!

      Calmly please. Presumably the guy sees himself as defending the college against reckless endangerment.
      If you're an alum, you might want to mention that, an email from Horatio Schmedly ('85) will probably carry more weight than from Slashmaster (/. lunatic).

    4. Re:email addy for Dean Bob Gross.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Give it up... we can't always win, you know.

      First rate loser-talk, if ever I heard it.

  17. Re:attention canadians. by Zelet · · Score: 1

    I see it as more of an easy chance to participate in civil disobedience. I say "here! here! Way to go everybody!"

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    ...And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me." - Martin Niemoeller (1892-1984)
  18. Re:attention canadians. by realdpk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The initial call for mirrors was before Diebold was on to them, if I remember correctly, just in case, and so that the data would exist *somewhere* in the public. The people doing the mirroring are (rightfully, IMO) helping to ensure that the flaws in the system are exposed for all to see.

    Regardless of some individuals motivation (maybe some are doing it just to spite Diebold itself), it really is a Good Thing(tm) to do.

    Now if only we could figure out why the hell the ACLU has such wood for the electronic voting machines...

  19. Diebold Documents by program21 · · Score: 1
    --
    This has been a test. Had this been a real emergency, we would have fled in terror and you would not have been informed.
  20. It's like OT III. by sulli · · Score: 1

    Nobody gives a shit what the Scientologists actually think (well, almost nobody), but it's fun to stifle their attempts to keep the secret.

    --

    sulli
    RTFJ.
  21. Royal Bank of Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Although the name may lead you to think otherwise, Royal is just another private bank. It's not affiliated with the Canadian gov't or anything. So, no, we haven't flipped completely.

    1. Re:Royal Bank of Canada by wintermute42 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Royal Bank of Canada is one of the large multinational banks that has an offshore presence. That is, they own a subsidiary bank in the caribbean, where bank secrecy laws apply. For the paranoid minded one could think up a plot by the Evil Empire of Redmond where money would be funneled via the offshore version of the Royal Bank of Canada into an investment fund which would then be used to invest in SCO.

      There is a less paranoid explaination. That being that when it comes to investment the Royal Bank of Canada are a bunch of idiots. The RBC invested in one of Enron's deals to the tune of $517 million (US). The RBC layed off some of the risk to another bank, which contested the deal. They recently reaced a settlement. But the RBC is still out a bit over half the money. The original investment by RBC was in Enron Broadband, which was a fraud from the start (the company had revinues of less than a million dollars). The RBC did note seem to do any more "due diligence" in the Enron deal than they have with the SCO investement.

      So while it is possible that the RBC is a conduit for money from the Evil Empire it is more likely that they are making another stupid investment.

    2. Re:Royal Bank of Canada by thebigmacd · · Score: 1

      That's right, our national bank is called the Bank of Canada (without the Royal).

    3. Re:Royal Bank of Canada by irix · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, most certainly they are making another stupid investment. However, as this atricle points out, we need to be politely letting them know about it.

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  22. Re:attention canadians. by bstadil · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Is it just me, or are we all so interested to read these documents only because they are "forbidden".

    The fact that it cut to the root of democracy, might have somethng to do with it!

    Just a hunch

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  23. Sad about the Diebold purge. by cgranade · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sad about the Diebold purge. I know how the shit crumbles, tho... after all, my university did the same thing with the Half-Life 2 leak. Not that I blame either college... it costs a lot of money to get a good legal team to defend against lawsuits from corporations. I mean, Diebold's very existance is on the line with this. If the memos go around too much, they might get destroyed Enron-style. So of course they are going to try and supress colleges, since historically they don't have very good legal defense teams.

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    1. Re:Sad about the Diebold purge. by Detritus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Swarthmore may not have one, but many universities have law schools, with the associated faculty that is already on the university payroll. I'd like to see them try that with Harvard.

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    2. Re:Sad about the Diebold purge. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I feel bad for you. How upsetting it must have been to take down the source code for a game which was blatantly stolen property just because some university bigwig said so. The parallels between preserving incriminating evidence against a company attempting to take and gain the power to arbitrarily decide all elections in the most powerful country in the world and hosting stolen source code for a video game are so strong I can taste them.

      Or maybe you're just doing your part to make sure there's no HL3.

      Asshole.

  24. Re:attention canadians. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you read more you would know it's " hear! hear!"

  25. Hello? "Chilling effect?" by Guppy06 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here we have a university, supposedly one of the best places to be able to exercise your First Amendment rights, not only unwilling to back their students rights to free speech but actively helping to quash it? If this isn't an examble of the DMCA having a "chilling effect" on speech, I don't know what is.

  26. Dancin Santa is a troll. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A humorous one, though. His reputation precedes him.

    1. Re:Dancin Santa is a troll. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, while no doubt off-topic for the story, he makes a good point about bad project naming. Not unlike this guy below...

      Perhaps a troll, perhaps not. Still, I don't see the original post in this thread as a troll.

  27. In-flight restarts by lingqi · · Score: 1
    From Armadillo News: This was a big success for us, completely eliminating the need for our propane / air preheat system, and giving us the ability to do in-flight restarts without any trouble.

    Not sure about the details, but I would figure that, well, the conditions in which inflight restarts take place would be a LOT different from what they are testing on the ground:

    1) (BIG) pressure difference
    2) (HUGE) temperature difference
    3) possible airflow difference (say if the rocket was in descent / ascent / falling sideways)

    I'd say he should do a lot more tests before being certain than inflight restarts is a guaranteed thing. I mean, that'd probably be one of the more critical things on deciding the success / failure of a mission, and probably in cases contribute to the decision b/w life and death - so, more tests and more redundance cannot hurt.

    well, "cannot hurt" might not apply to the budget...

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    1. Re:In-flight restarts by RedWizzard · · Score: 2, Insightful
      First keep in mind that Armadillo had not anticipated being able to restart in flight. This is an extra, not a requirement.
      1) (BIG) pressure difference
      2) (HUGE) temperature difference
      3) possible airflow difference
      From what I've read the ignition mechanism is buried in the engine between two catalyst blocks so none of what you the conditions you've mentioned would apply.
      I'd say he should do a lot more tests before being certain than inflight restarts is a guaranteed thing.
      I imagine his understanding of the engine is several orders of magnitude better than yours or mine. I'd say we can take him at his word until there is evidence to contrary. Also Armadillo's whole program is based on exhaustive testing - they're not going to be lax on this aspect.
    2. Re:In-flight restarts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      well, "cannot hurt" might not apply to the budget...
      Or the test pilot(s)...
  28. Whatever... by khenson · · Score: 0, Troll

    oh yeah, American's know the difference:

    Socialism: Big Brother controls everything

    Communism: Big Brother controls everything at gunpoint.

    Either way it's a crap governmental style that surrenders personal freedoms willingly to governmental oversight and control. Is it more efficient? Who cares..?!? A dictatorship is more "efficient" than all of them but you don't see everyone crowing about how great THAT is.

    American's like a Republican government because we like the freedom it gives us and as the #1 economic force on the planet, the #1 military force on the planet, the #1 immigration target on the planet and #1 in a whole bunch of other things too numerous to mention - I would tend to think we're doing things pretty well.

    Besides - "Americans" are made up of everyone else - it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that some innovative thinkers got sick of their country's shitty oppressive crap and decided to go where the freedom was. The result? Well... see above...

    1. Re:Whatever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American's like a Republican government because

      Of very effective social engineering.

      the #1 economic force on the planet, the #1 military force on the planet

      Translation: Rich bully...

      I would tend to think we're doing things pretty well.

      Yes, you do.
      You pollute very well, murder very well, lie, cheat, steal, etc, very well.

    2. Re:Whatever... by Frodrick · · Score: 2, Funny
      "American's like a Republican government because we like the freedom it gives us and as the #1 economic force on the planet, the #1 military force on the planet, the #1 immigration target on the planet and #1 in a whole bunch of other things too numerous to mention - I would tend to think we're doing things pretty well."

      Oh, yeah - America's really great, all right. American capitalism and free enterprise always reminds me of the story of two lawyers who are hiking in the woods and see a gigantic grizzley bear across a clearing. The bear sees them as well and begins running toward them hoping for a quick snack.

      Rather than run, the first lawyer sits down calmly and starts to put on his running shoes. His friend (if lawyers can be said to have such) says, "Are you crazy? Running shoes won't help you outrun that bear."

      The first lawyer replied, "I don't need to outrun the bear; I just need to outrun you."

      That's what America is all about!



    3. Re:Whatever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      American's know the difference:

      Actually, most don't - and you're no exception.

      Socialism: Big Brother controls everything

      Communism: Big Brother controls everything at gunpoint.


      I think if you'll check, Mr. Ashcroft is American, not Canadian - and I don't understand - are you calling him socialist, or communist? (or both?)

      Either way it's a crap governmental style that surrenders personal freedoms willingly to governmental oversight and control.

      I don't know if you've noticed (perhaps you should travel outside your country to gain a little perspective), but Canadians (and most of the rest of the world) has much more personal freedom. Of course, you wouldn't know that, all you know is the "patriotism" you've been force-fed. (Not that it's totally your fault - you didn't ask to be brainwashed, after all.)

      A dictatorship is more "efficient" than all of them but you don't see everyone crowing about how great THAT is.

      Nice straw man. Notice that you're the only person who brought up "efficiency."

      #1 economic force on the planet, the #1 military force on the planet, the #1 immigration target on the planet and #1 in a whole bunch of other things too numerous to mention

      I think if you check, you might be in for a shock. It's not your system of government that brings you those "#1's", but the policies.

      And incidentally, you're not #1 in standard of living - that goes to a socialist country, year after year. If your system of government was truly the best, I think that you would be able to make #1 at least once, don't you? (Well, probably not - I'm sure you'll have some excuse as to why you don't have the best standard of living in the world - you haven't exactly shown any amount of intelligence, after all - just bury your head a little deeper, and your beloved Big Brother will take care of you.)

    4. Re:Whatever... by tuba_dude · · Score: 1
      American's like a Republican government because...

      There is one thing we don't do well, and that's education. You'd think with so much power we'd be able to concentrate on teaching people the difference between possessive and plural nouns.

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      "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
  29. Re:attention canadians. by rsborg · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Is it just me, or are we all so interested to read these documents only because they are "forbidden"

    I think it's only you. I see it more of re-affirming the allegations of corruption and bias that this company has.

    In fact, I'd say that I would support downloading and mirroing these files even more strongly than what we did for DeCSS... the truth needs to be told if our democracy is under seige from moneyed interests.

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  30. Re:Hello? "Chilling effect?" by EverDense · · Score: 1

    Your country is now a fascist dictatorship, its just
    that most of your population hasn't realised it yet.

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  31. My letter to the Dean: by Newer+Guy · · Score: 1

    Dear Dean Gross: I was most disappointed to discover that you had quashed your students' effort to expose Diebold's voting machine irregularities. I would have hoped that a place of higher learning with the rich tradition that Swarthmore has could do better. Putting dollars over rights is hardly a good lesson to teach your students. I do hope you 'see the light' and reverse this bad decision you have made. In closing, my daughter was accepted to your college last year and after much soul searching decided to go to Harvard instead. I questioned her decision but after this can understand why. Of course, this begs the question: What would the Dean of Harvard have done faced with the decision you had to make? I believe he would have decided differently. Sincerely,

    1. Re:My letter to the Dean: by cyril3 · · Score: 1
      Putting dollars over rights is hardly a good lesson to teach your students

      Perhaps. But picking your fights is a lesson that everyone should learn.

      I questioned her decision but after this can understand why

      This makes no sense at all. Are you saying it was on the basis of what she thought the two Deans would do if faced with a decision such as this. And if so how did she decide this would have been their reaction. Past experience?

    2. Re:My letter to the Dean: by Jad+LaFields · · Score: 1

      What would the Dean of Harvard have done faced with the decision you had to make

      I doubt it. Harvard is interested in prestige, which this is unlikely to help, especially if they lost, as well as money, which they would lose in this fight, not gain.

      If Harvard did decide differently, it would undoubtably be because Harvard has more money than Swarthmore to spend (and is less focused on spending that money on the student's education, to boot).

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    3. Re:My letter to the Dean: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe it raises the question what the Dean of Harvard would have done.

  32. Diebold memo - scoop.co.nz mirror! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The NZ independant news site scoop.co.nz has them here.

  33. Re:slashdot census by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that makes u gay LOL

  34. Re:attention canadians. by Jesrad · · Score: 1

    I have a feeling this whole thing could end up bigger than the WaterGate. My interest, if it does, is that I will then be able to impress my great-grandchildren saying "I was one of the people who defended democracy in the US back then".

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  35. College internet access and politics by Aram+Fingal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's too bad that colleges don't believe that they can have "common carrier" status as they provide internet access for students. It means that students actually have fewer rights than people who pay a regular ISP for service.

    I work for a major university and I have thought about threatening to bring in an outside ISP for my department for technical reasons. I believe that the university ITS provides poor service and charges too much for it. Yes, they charge us per machine for network access. Now I have another reason to go outside for internet access - a political reason.

    1. Re:College internet access and politics by Nucleon500 · · Score: 1

      Go for it - competition is good.

    2. Re:College internet access and politics by DocDendrite · · Score: 1

      Ha! Go for it and see how far you get.

      Did it occur to you that your department is not a private entity? It's the University's building, their cabling, their computers, and their department. I can guarantee they will use their own in-house IT department because no one else is authorized to fuck with their private property.

    3. Re:College internet access and politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You're wrong.

      I have recently left a rather large university which imposed rather harse limits on what students could do with their connection as part of the time honored "lets cover our ass and screw the students" policy.

      They, however, recently offered students the option of getting DSL in the dorms. This allows them to deal with a real isp which as the grandparent of this post said, have a much fairer sense of the net.

    4. Re:College internet access and politics by DocDendrite · · Score: 1

      "They offered?" Well then it was the University calling the shots then, wasn't it? Not the department IT guy threatening as the great-grandparent of this post said. I am correct.

  36. Patents and Open Source by Agar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Everyone bemoans bad patents and the effect they can have on Open Source, but is there an effort to actually *do* anything about it?

    One of the most obvious issues with software patents is cross-licensing. If IBM infringes on Intel's patents, Intel sues. IBM does a search, and counter-sues because Intel is infringing on umpteen IBM patents. Voila, a cross-licensing agreement is signed, no one gets sued, everyone's happy.

    Needless to say, if an open source application unwittingly infringes on a patent (which is more likely over time), there is little recourse.

    Shouldn't the EFF or the FSF be encouraging coders (particularly those doing cutting edge work) to submit "patentable" code much like they recommend assigning copyrights to them?

    They should offer to do the patent search and submission in return for all licensing rights. This would give a central (hopefully benevolent) organization a "war chest" of patents for future lawsuit avoidance and cross-licensing.

    Is this already being done?

    With the amount of work going into Open Source, there must be tons of patentable code out there. Even if it's not patentable, it apparently doesn't really matter.

    1. Re:Patents and Open Source by Nucleon500 · · Score: 1

      The problem is that patents are just too slow and expensive. Contrast that with copyrights, which are free just for opening your mouth. I think a huge Wiki full of prior art is a better idea - though you still need someone like the EFF to foot the bill of defending OSS people in court by using that database.

    2. Re:Patents and Open Source by bapink01 · · Score: 1

      What you have described is closer to free (libre) sofware, not open source. Copyleft protected software is about enforcing the liberty of software users. Take a look at the definition . I belive others (not the FSF) have suggested using patents licenses to require all implementations to be free (as in speech).

      Patents are ultimatly a bargin between the public and an inventor. When the public isn't getting a good deal, it is time to go back to the table. Where is my buy one congress critter get one free coupon?

      The
    3. Re:Patents and Open Source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copyright requires "fixing" the expression in a non-transient medium. Opening your mouth is not good enough. You must _write_.

    4. Re:Patents and Open Source by WNight · · Score: 1

      The solution is for people to actually be charged for barratry for threatening a lawsuit that has no technical merit. I mean, you should be able to take even just a cease and desist letter to court and get if the judge rules that they had could not have reasonably expected their case to prevail (because of lack of merit, not lack of funds), get a judgement against them.

      Ideally you'd get either criminal penalties (jailtime for them and their lawyer who represented them for this spurious legal attack) or a huge cash settlement (based on a percentage of the threatening person/company's assets, in relation to their demands in relation to your assets. Threaten a poor person with $100M in spurious damages, watch your company get hit with a $50B lawsuit...)

    5. Re:Patents and Open Source by Nucleon500 · · Score: 1

      I think lawyers are a contributing factor - increasing penalties is fine, but the only way to stop frivolous lawsuits is if lawyers stop filing them. Unfortunately, if you tell your client that you won't persue some frivolous or abusive case, they'll just find somebody else with fewer scruples. So the legal system is brought down to the lowest common denominator. I'm not sure how to fix this, though. In reality, what you suggest may be the only out. Maybe there should be some new failure mode wherby the prosecuting lawyers would get points against them, and if they get too many, they'd be disbarred.

    6. Re:Patents and Open Source by Agar · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the links, I admit to being less familiar than I should with the nuances between the free software (Stallman) and the open source advocacy positions.

      However, per the Copyleft link, GNU's goal is to "give all users the freedom to redistribute and change GNU software." I'm talking about protecting those freedoms.

      When dealing with patents, the license is irrelevant -- except to make it easier to identify infringing code. If Microsoft decided to fight "the free software" (as they put it, subtly slamming Linux and Stallman by adding the word "the") by enforcing every patent in their war chest, things could get very uncomfortable.

      They have every right to do this, and I frankly expect them to if market share numbers turn especially ugly. At this point, I don't think open source, free software, or even public domain programs have any recourse.

    7. Re:Patents and Open Source by Agar · · Score: 1

      No, the problem is that people are too focused on complaining about the patent system, or trial lawyers, or conflicts of interest, or the legal system. Patents may be slow and expensive, but we're talking about protecting the future. Think about it.

      Changing the system will not work, at least in the short term. The patent office won't change. Lawsuits won't be made illegal. Barratry will not be enforced. Lobbyists won't go away. Fighting every patent claim by trying to prove prior art is a losing battle -- some patents will be valid, no matter how much we wish they weren't, and the cost would be insanely prohibitive.

      What ever happened to "the best offense is a good defense"? "Fight fire with fire"? Let's play the game under today's rules, while trying to level the playing field for the future, or even tip it in our direction. That's all I'm saying.

      Yes, much about the current system sucks. That just means that action needs to be taken to defend against the system, in an acceptable and realistic way. Creating a body of intellectual property that's owned by the open source community is a way of doing that.

    8. Re:Patents and Open Source by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      Copyleft protected software is about enforcing the liberty of software users.

      Don't kid yourself. There's an extra word at the end of that sentence. Copyleft is about enforcing the liberty of software. The GPL places many restrictions on the user in an effort to keep the software free.

  37. rasmus by edrugtrader · · Score: 4, Interesting

    i saw rasmus lerdorf's intro to php at the mysql conference... he takes a whole different view to web development that makes java's claims of speed, stability, scalability ect almost moot.

    java will say, php is bad because it can't do x as good as we can, and he will summarily explain why you would never want to do x and how php can solve whatever x's method was trying to solve just as fast.

    very good speech.

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    1. Re:rasmus by bcolflesh · · Score: 1, Interesting

      View Rasmus and other speakers talks at: http://talks.php.net/index.php/PHP

    2. Re:rasmus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He gave a similar talk at SCALE last year. See it online

    3. Re:rasmus by Kunta+Kinte · · Score: 1
      i saw rasmus lerdorf's intro to php at the mysql conference... he takes a whole different view to web development that makes java's claims of speed, stability, scalability ect almost moot.

      I'd love to hear these arguments.

      I don't see how one can counter that PHP forces developers to rely very heavily on database for persistants since it does not have in process persistance like JSP and ASP.NET.

      I don't see how one can counter that using 'include()' and 'include_once()' functions as the only way to write same-language application extensions (loosely, libraries) quickly creates code that is very difficult to maintain. We have known this from C for years. Why do you think you never put code in .H files?

      Sure accelerators exist, but how many people know enough to install one? And why isn't one built into the default engine?

      Maybe we should spend less time defending PHP's flaws, and try fixing them?

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    4. Re:rasmus by edrugtrader · · Score: 0, Troll

      an "accelerator" is not built into PHP because after market products were created before zend created there own. to spur creativity and competition in this market, they have decided not to include the zend accelerator into the default php install.

      the fact that it isn't persistent is an ATTRIBUTE, not a flaw in my mind. accessing session data and database data is just as good for web design. what if your persistent JSP program dies and loses all of the persistent data... now you have to write your own db engine basically to make that fail safe, or rely on a database in much the same way.

      WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO WRITE SAME LANGUAGE EXTENSIONS. you shouldn't have to. if something is so important that it should be a part of the system, write it in c and compile it in as a module. them you don't even have to HAVE .h files or reference them on every page.

      PHP does not have the same goals that JSP does, and it does what it was intended to do much better than JSP does what it was intended to do.

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  38. Re:attention canadians. by GigsVT · · Score: 1

    if our democracy is under seige from moneyed interests.

    What do you mean "if"?

    It's a constant battle, one that has always been fought, and will always be fought. Back when, the moneyed interest was the church, under the guise of "God", these days, it's a oligarchy, the church, the large international corporations, and the government willing to cater to them in pursuit of ever more power.

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  39. democracy by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's much more than the lure of the forbidden. These documents don't only expose insecurity of the system and the potential for massive vote fraud; they expose evidence of illegal tampering in one election, and a callous attitude (to be generous) toward the implications of these security flaws for the public interest. Even worse, Diebold's response to the revealed flaws in their system and procedures was not to respond to the issues raised but rather to issue cease-and-desist orders. This is fundamentally about the democratic process, and there are good reasons to mirror these documents. The ultimate irony - and the thing that really makes me want to vomit - is that Diebold is also the company responsible for protecting the original Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence.

    1. Re:democracy by pmz · · Score: 1


      is that Diebold is also the company responsible for protecting the original Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence.

      Well, that way they could install automatic shredders to be used after the next round of elections are complete. Once the self-appointed oligarchy is complete, the Constitution, Bill of Rights and the DoI are swiftly made into confetti. People who then ask, "Well what about our Constitional rights?" recived this answer, "What Constition? I don't see no Constitution?"

  40. Re:Hello? "Chilling effect?" by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 1

    What is the chilling effect? With or without the DMCA, Diebold probably could find legal grounds to issue a Cease and Desist, and to at least bring a lawsuit.

    Swarthmore probably doesn't want to pay legal fees out the ass...

    I just don't see this as a DMCA thing.

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  41. Re:Hello? "Chilling effect?" by cgranade · · Score: 1

    Just goes to show how much we need to make Freenet a reality. Personally, it is extremely difficult for me to run it as I have a 10GB monthly transfer limit and a very nice bandwidth... I know I can limit the upload and all, but even then, I'd have to limit it to about 4.1 Kibibyte-Hertz (Kibibytes per second) to keep from going over, and then I wouldn't have any bandwidth for myself... if more people on my network all ran it at, say, 1 Kibibyte-Hertz, that would be fine, but I only know of one other person on campus who does.

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  42. Re:Hello? "Chilling effect?" by mrseigen · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but the difference now is that most American universities are run by beancounters who flee in panic from any mention of legal trouble.

  43. Actiontec Dual modem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I bought one of these modems last week and so far am very impressed. The setup process took less than a minute to get up and connected to the net and went without a hitch.

    My only complaint is the lack of a way to add any port forwarding rules via its web interface. You can telnet in and add the iptables rules manually, however. I also wish it had a few more status LEDs (my last external modem had 14 and I loved it).

    1. Re:Actiontec Dual modem by baomike · · Score: 1

      Radio shack will sell you all the LEDs you need.

  44. Peroxide by JohnFluxx · · Score: 1

    If it requires half the concentration, doesn't that mean that are going to have to take up way over 2x as much fuel? (2x to make up the concentration, then more to cover the weight of the extra fuel)

    1. Re:Peroxide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe not...the mass of the water vapor being accelerated out the nozzle counts as thrust just as it does for the combustion by-products. The real question is how much the specific impulse of the engine decreases with the less concentrated fuel. One possible interpretation of specific impulse is that it is the amount of thrust you get per unit of fuel flow rate. By using half strength peroxide dosen't mean the specific impulse will go down by half (although it may go down by more, they have to measure the thrust and the flow rate to know if it is worth it)

    2. Re:Peroxide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      see the posting towards the top by John Carmack himself; he says the extra thrust resulting from the additional water mass makes 50% as effective as 90-some percent peroxide, pretty interesting and detailed.

  45. Re:Hello? "Chilling effect?" by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 1

    I agree with the idea of Freenet being used to distribute information... problem with Freenet is it allows people to pirate shit.

    If there was a peer-to-peer system that could be used only for distributing text files, and then only under like, 10k, then we'd be on to something.

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  46. Re:Hello? "Chilling effect?" by Jad+LaFields · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First of all, Swarthmore is not a university. It is a small school with not a lot of resources to devote towards legal battles. It is unfortunate that in this case, defending the right to Free Speech (which the school is generally a very strong supporter of) is likely to be highly expensive for the school and not just the students. But I don't blame the school for that, I blame the DMCA. Swarthmore has raised the publicity for this issue, but rest of the fight, I'm sad to say, is going to have to fought elsewhere.

    Put your money where your mouth is (and don't rely on the money of the students at Swarthmore some of whom have no opinion on this matter) and donate to the EFF.

    And download the memos and host them.

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  47. Re:Hello? "Chilling effect?" by cgranade · · Score: 1

    How long before people UUEncoded DivX files as an asininely large number of 10k text files? Good idea, but never, ever underestimate the dedication of those who want expensive things for free.

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    #define DRM chmod 000

  48. Re:Hello? "Chilling effect?" by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Sigh... I admire the nobility of those that want to protect our rights, and I despise the avarice of people that stomp all over other people's rights (and in this particular case, I am referring to music and software pirates.)

    I just wish there was an "easy" way to have our computer rights and not have all the stupid bullshit that comes along with them.

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    evil adrian
  49. Re:Hello? "Chilling effect?" by drooling-dog · · Score: 1
    Somebody mod this up!

    If colleges and universities are being intimidated into suppressing free speech, then just who is it that won't be? Things are starting to look pre-1960s out there...

  50. Re:attention canadians. by Saeger · · Score: 1
    My longest running BitTorrent seed will be those Diebold memos.

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  51. Re:attention canadians. by drooling-dog · · Score: 1

    The fact that they're "forbidden" is itself a pretty good indication that they're important, no?

  52. Re:attention canadians. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't it odd that the internet, used by people to protect their privacy, is always used so viciously to destory privacy at the same time? For example, it was used to give out the name of the fan who cost the Cubs the world series, and the name of the women who Kobe raped..

  53. Re:attention canadians. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "if only we could figure out why the hell the ACLU has such wood for the electronic voting machines..."

    Because they have spent 3 years telling us that black people are not smart enough to use punch-card ballots, the same ballots that have been in use for 50 years.

  54. fight diebold!! by seriv · · Score: 1

    I know of the documents and after reading the stuff Why-War is doing, I decided to mirror them here. Fight Diebold!!
    -Seriv

  55. Re:Hello? "Chilling effect?" by damiam · · Score: 1

    Freenet is basically that system now. It chokes on almost anything bigger than a 10K text file (come to think of it, it chokes on most 10K text files too).

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  56. This should be (7) different posts by rodgster · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Not one big post. WTF?

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  57. Re:Hello? "Chilling effect?" by netsharc · · Score: 1

    Indeed.. funny what some schmuck general said the other day, the US needs to fight harder in the war on terror, the prize for it is 200 more years of freedom. Fascinating because of 2 things; one he only talked about the freedom of Americans, and that the US now is less free than before.

    The world (especially the US) lives in fear of the next attack. That's exactly what they (terrorists) wanted, the terrorists have indeed won.

    Also last week, some General said the US is fighting against Satan itself. Yeah well done buddy, as a Satan is how the Muslim extrimists view you, so you're no better than they are.

    They sky... is falling.

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  58. where do I start... by lingqi · · Score: 1, Informative

    the ignition mechanism being buried far up in the engine does not exempt it from being affected by temperature or pressure changes in the outside environment. catalyst blocks are not magical air barriers that will keep the pressure at the ingintion point at 1ATM.

    Worse yet, the catalyst blocks ARE part of the ignition system - if they are too cold the fuel does not ignite, which is the source of their problems in the first place. when the air temperature drops to -50C at 30k ft, how do you know the catalyst blocks will heat up / heat up fast enough?

    I won't even start to mention possible effects of temperature fluctuations due to the vehicle's motion through the atmosphere (depending on speed, it would either heat up or draw heat away faster).

    And as much respect as I have for Carmack, I cannot say that (from what I read) his program is based on exhausive testing - it more seems like "let's try if this works better than that" approach. Nothing wrong with the approach, but it usually only tests a limited set of operating conditions because you do not foresee / simulate beforehand all the possible operating ranges and conditions.

    So, I am glad they have blind (erm, faithful) followers like you, but hey, I am just concerned about their safty.

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    1. Re:where do I start... by RedWizzard · · Score: 1
      So, I am glad they have blind (erm, faithful) followers like you, but hey, I am just concerned about their safty.
      I'm sure Carmack et al are thrilled to know you are so deeply concerned for their well-being. No doubt your insightful criticism will also be much appreciated. After all they're mearly running the project and clearly have no idea what they're talking about. As for me, I'll limit myself to responding to your ad hominem attack since you'll obviously be unwilling to accept any argument made by someone you've already labelled a "blind follower".
    2. Re:where do I start... by silentbozo · · Score: 1

      I imagine that they'll want to test fly the actual complete rocket under automated guidance repeatedly, before consigning a human being (or multiple beings) as cargo for the X-prize.

      Besides, if believe that they should look at certain details, tell em! Carmack appreciates input from the outside world - if you have a better method, or suggestions for things that need to be monitored or tested, e-mail em.

    3. Re:where do I start... by lingqi · · Score: 1

      ha ha

      ad hominem eh? That's a joke at the end of the logical part of the arguments, thanks for not getting it.

      But honestly, though - point out one place where you have been able to find some reasons to believe that my analysis regarding temperature / pressure concerns are faluty - besides that "Carmack is running the project so he must know what's going on."

      I concur that he runs the project, and I most adamantly concur that he knows many times more about his project than me - but concerns remains concerns until there are reasons to believe that they are not; and blind faith in the project members (sorry, but firm belief in something without logical / technical backup is exactly that - blind faith) isn't one of those reasons.

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      My life in the land of the rising sun.

    4. Re:where do I start... by the+Llama+of+Virtue · · Score: 1

      ... but you must remember, if the ship needs to be restarted on ascent, the catalyst pack will be ***very*** hot to the point of spontaneous combustion of the reactants, regardless of the other factors.

      philski

    5. Re:where do I start... by shanelenagh · · Score: 1

      I read John's updates every week and he has NOTHING BUT logical / technical backup for his approaches. Maybe you are the ill-informed one.

  59. Re:EXPERIMENT: Please do not mod down. Thanks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He is the Evil, Shape-Shifting Example of Darkness?

  60. Re:Hello? "Chilling effect?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you meant that this country is now a *corporate* fascist dictatorship. Heck, we even have classes to "educate" young minds about the "evils" of filesharing, courtesy of the MPAA and a several-hundred thousand dollar grant.

    I think most of the population has already been brainwashed by what passes for the news...

  61. Re:Hello? "Chilling effect?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    > UUEncoded DivX files as an asininely large number of 10k text files

    Heh. Make it 100K and you've got Usenet.

  62. Good Idea... by qtp · · Score: 3, Funny

    Perhaps someone can print paper copies to send to them?

    DDOS thier mail room!

    I can imagine the news coverage:

    Postal service slows to a halt in an onslaught of documents critical of Deibold Electronic voting machines. One postal carier was quoted as saying "We haven't had manditory overtime like this since the eighties! But thats O.K. by me. I'll just stop by the Walmart on my way home and buy me a GUN!"

    Federal Investigators reportedly do not know who is responsibe for this bizarre attack, but are seeking the identity of an online poster who uses the Alias "setzman" as a possible instigator.

    Tune in later for more coverage of...

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  63. Oh I'll do better than that... by khenson · · Score: 1

    Canada Immigration figures from the United States

    United States immigration figures from Canada

    So.... From the U.S. into Canada we have 5,815(2000), 5,902(2001) and 5,288(2002), However from Canada to the United States we have 19,519(2000), 21,933(2001) and 16,210(2002).

    As with any true liberal, socialistic drone - rhetoric is preferable to actual facts because a real basis for discussion is absent and when presented with conclusive, contraindicative evidence they resort to the only defense in which they have a slight skill, namely, name calling and unstantiated accusations. I would be more than happy to bring up more statistical errata to show that your pathetic third world country FAILS IT!!!

    1. Re:Oh I'll do better than that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or it could be just darn cold up there in the winter...

    2. Re:Oh I'll do better than that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Geez.. and I was embarassed to be related to the canadian namecaller, but this post is just as bad.. I moved from the US to Canada for many reason, and the main reason I would consider moving back is economic - the US dollar is worth more. But that sure is changing now... The US dollar has been slipping against most other currencies for the last year.. the Euro is now worth more than the US dollar, and the Canadian dollar has gained close to 20% against US$ in the last year. If the rest of the world continues seeing the USA and the US$ as it does now that trend will continue and the US$ will be lookin a lot less pretty.

    3. Re:Oh I'll do better than that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before the dollar started slipping, it'd take at LEAST twice as much money for a similar position for me to move to the US from Canada. More likely 3 times.

      Read: Not bloody likely. And now that the US dollar has slipped a bit...

      The US is a wonderful place to visit, but there's no way I'd want to live there (without another, far more important reason).

    4. Re:Oh I'll do better than that... by balloonhead · · Score: 1
      How do you know that's not just terrorists finding a route into the US?

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  64. Re:attention canadians. by Zelet · · Score: 1

    If you had a life you wouldn't have noticed.

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    ...And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me." - Martin Niemoeller (1892-1984)
  65. oops... by khenson · · Score: 1, Funny

    French server, decent bandwidth, out of the reach of any DMCA-wielding company

    Hmmm.... French huh? I portscanned it and got "HTTP ERROR 498: We Surrender"

  66. We can help... by khenson · · Score: 2, Funny

    Post the IPAddress, username and password and we /.'ers will come telnet in and help you too!!!

  67. OSS Show in LA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A local OSS show to take a look at is SCALE

  68. Patently obvious by imadork · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not sure what's more embarassing: the fact that the Patent Office approved it in the first place, or the fact that it took them a whole year to re-examine it!

  69. Re:Hello? "Chilling effect?" by Joe+U · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'll start using Freenet as soon as all mention of Kibibytes are removed.

  70. fortune by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you know, i just got this as my fortune...

    The Mets were great in 'sixty eight, The Cards were fine in 'sixty nine, But the Cubs will be heavenly in nineteen and seventy." -- Ernie Banks

    and it's wrong...(it was the Cards in '68 and the Mets in '69)

  71. VOIP gateway! by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 1

    Too bad this box doesn't generate ringing current (90VAC), otherwise you could use it as an inexpensive VOIP gateway.
    -russ

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    Don't piss off The Angry Economist
  72. please support BlackBoxVoting.com by DrunkClam · · Score: 1

    2 really easy ways to pay on their front page. A one time pay pal payment, and a $1.99 motnhly subscription. 2 bucks is cheap to save democracy folks. Help em out.

  73. Swarthmore/Bob Gross/Diebold by Hrodgare · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm a student at Swarthmore, and, in fact, the one who disabled access to the Diebold documents SCDC was hosting at scdc.sccs.swarthmore.edu . It was very unfortunate that we had to; I wish the college hadn't forced us to. That said--

    What's not clear from all of the news coverage, is that while the college is indeed having to shut down hosts on campus for the documents, ITS here and the college itself is supportive of the students involved who are talking with EFF. The Deans are being helpful in suggesting legal routes for SCDC, but the College itself does *not* have the resources to get involved in a legal battle. Swarthmore is a very small school(1400) students, and just doesn't have the resources that larger institutions would to put towards legal expenses.

    PLEASE go easy on Bob Gross's email; the administration at Swarthmore is very responsive to student needs, but there are limits as to what can be done. They're not bad people; they're doing what's best for the school.

    Is Diebold getting off easy from Swarthmore? That has yet to be seen.

    1. Re:Swarthmore/Bob Gross/Diebold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chicken!

    2. Re:Swarthmore/Bob Gross/Diebold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meanie!

  74. Re:Hello? "Chilling effect?" by WNight · · Score: 1

    Free speech is only free when people are allowed to say things you disagree with...

    Technically, Diebold is claiming that the memo is copyrighted by them, despite the fact that this is not what copyright was intended for, and allowing this use of the DMCA would completely squash people's ability to whistle-blow.

    I'd rather have a network that would allow any use, even something disgusting like kiddy porn or terrorist documents or whatever, as long as it let people speak out against injustice and post documents like these Diebold memos.

  75. peroxide and preheating by codepunk · · Score: 1

    Might I suggest just pre-heating the peroxide by pumping it through a thermite core. I looked into this one time, the stuff is very simple to produce and very safe. It is hard to get started but once going it cannot be put out and is extremely damn hot. You would have to pass the peroxide through the middle of a core that is buring from the inside out otherwise a case burn through would happen extremly quick.

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    1. Re:peroxide and preheating by bartlog · · Score: 1

      Don't teach your grandma to chew gum.

      Yes, thermite is easy to make. It also burns way, way hotter than you need to preheat something (so hot as to make containment a major engineering challenge for an application like this). Your suggestion makes as much sense as using thermite to cook spaghetti.

  76. We've got a Gaffer Tape that proves otherwise.... by billstewart · · Score: 2, Funny

    sorry, I'll mod myself down now...

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    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  77. Interesting reply... by khenson · · Score: 1

    If you really believe in what you post - why not do it under your login? Posting as Anonymous Coward is... well... Just what it says..

    Now, point for point:

    Ashcroft: Personally - I'd say as socialist as they come and there are many in America who think too many personal freedoms are being surrendered, including myself. One nice thing about America (which Canadians love to bitch about) lies in the fact that should our government get too many "Ashcrofts" they will have an armed populace to deal with - and trust me - they know it. Part of our checks and balances and it's been working for over 200 years.

    Feeble diatribe about patriotism Actually I have been outside of my country - probably more times than you have been outside of yours. My visits include Norway many times, Canada :), Honduras, Nicaragua, Ireland, England, Suadi Arabia, Germany, (All of the Middle east), Russia, Greenland, Iceland and others I am sure I am forgetting. My wife is Jamaican and has been to Portugal, France, Spain and Canada as well. So I think I (we) are cosmopolitan enough to speak from a position of knowledge. So.... from that position I can tell you: NO Most of the rest of the world Absolutely does not enjoy more personal freedom than America - those who think so are fooling themselves, which is fine - that belief lines up nicely with the sentiment their governments would have them believe - including yourself, mountie boy.

    Policy crapYou reference some propaganda site that has the professionalism of a Las Vegas showgirl - but then - that is another personal freedom we enjoy as well, we even have that chartered in our constitution. Do you...?

    Standard of living Now here you hit your only valid point. Standard of living. The one big problem with a capitalist nation. Why? Because there will always be have nots as any educated individual is aware. America chooses, instead, to reward personal initiative and creative entrepreneurial endeavors as opposed to one creative individual "shoring up" the less productive. And before you ask - yes I do call that progress. Difference of opinion? Maybe, but my opinion is mine and I value my right to have it. Besides, who sets the definition of "Standard of Living?" In the site I referenced it was the United Nations prattling on about how everyone has access to health care, education, etc. etc. ad nauseum. Well, everyone does have that here in America - in fact - most of it is prescribed by law to be available to everyone, regardless of income or socio-economic status. So the real difference in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland (note the conspicuous absence of Canada in this list) and the United States is per capita income. Well, America has a welfare system for it's poor - maybe less than these Nordic countries but then our harder workers are better compensated. The bottom line in America: work and get rewarded. Sit on your arse and get a meager handout barely capable of sustaining life - you have a choice - and that choice is what fuels the American Patriotism you so cleverly dismiss.

    Bury my head? Nah - I don't think so. As for showing any amount of intelligence - well... opinions vary. I have approximately 280 million that would agree with me to some degree or another based solely on where they lay their head, and that number keeps growing each year - much of that growth is from your beloved Canada, pal - at least those found worthy of emigration visas. Personally - I'd prefer to allow more easterners into America - at least they have something to offer. I found (and still find) that Canadians have a level of pride far greater than their achievements warrant. You have been weighed, measured and found wanting.

    1. Re:Interesting reply... by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 1

      Amen to that. I like how things are here. I dropped out of highschool at 16, got into IT, worked hard for a few years..

      Now I sleep on $1100 worth of sheets and pillows. I drive a swedish sports sedan, eat fresh steak for dinner several times a week, and have all the health benefits you can shake a stick at. I still have 2-3 days a week I can be a total slob and play video games all day. Saving up for that cabin next to a lake, planning retirement, etc.

      I'm not rich, still in the upper-5 figures area. But if I am feeling blue, all I need to do is compare my sanitary and comfortable life with 99.5% of the rest of the world and I suddenly feel better about my lot.

      American capitalism is beautiful, but only if you adhere to it as a way of life. It's quite another thing if you are a barefoot hippy or a Canadian.

    2. Re:Interesting reply... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did roughly the same, and I'm still making my way, but doing well enough for myself (22, and I make more money than my parent ever did).

      However, I don't kid myself. My mom struggled to raise myself and my brothers by herself. We only kept our house because of the help of her family. I've spent sleepless nights with an earache or sinus infection because my mom didn't have health insurance. She brought in just enough to get us above the poverty line, so she didn't qualify for welfare, yet we couldn't afford healthcare, decent clothes, etc, etc, etc.

      Try comparing your life to your fellow Americans and then tell me how much better you feel. Just because YOU made it doesn't mean the system works for everyone.

    3. Re:Interesting reply... by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I came from a struggling, single-parent home too. If I had spawned from the middle class, I'd probably think I'm poor. I look back on the days of second-hand Wrangler jeans and no A/C and it seems like a lifetime ago, already. Regardless of the end-outcome of it all, one can never forget their roots. For all I know, I could be living in a rotten trailer in 10 years.. :]

      Luckily, my family did nothing but insult me until the point we just parted directions. Now I don't have to worry about supporting or helping them. Their loss, I guess. They wanted a social, football playing, yes maam/sir type and got a geek instead. :)

  78. That's an important issue by billstewart · · Score: 1
    ISPs don't actually have common carrier status, though they've got some protections under the ECPA and maybe other regulations, and there are special annoyances under the DMCA that may undo some of the earlier protections, or at least give an web service provider a strong incentive to cover their ass. On the other hand, serving web pages and hauling IP packets are much different activities, and a university could reasonably take a position that its job is hauling IP packets to dorm rooms and DNS packets to DNS servers, and providing some other services on university servers, but that contents of student-owned computers are the individual student's responsibility. If they feel quasi-legalistic, they could make it an honor code thing. (The one big catch is that in universities that don't block P2P entirely, it makes a huge amount of sense from a bandwidth conservation standpoint to provide some supernodes on campus, or pursue some similar localization-based approach so that students don't need to download more than one copy of a given file from outside, and similarly provide web caching which is less politically risky.)

    A non-government-owned university _could_ decide to spin off its network services as a wholly-owned subsidiary, and treat it as an ISP or telco or both. On the other hand, they might need a good accounting department to do it successfully, because building wiring and phone closet space isn't the easiest thing to separate ownership of financially, or to price appropriately (either for buying or renting...)

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    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  79. Peroxide rocket propellants by John+Carmack · · Score: 5, Interesting

    High concentration hydrogen peroxide all by itself makes a low performance, but very convenient, rocket propellant. All hydrogen peroxide is in solution with some amount of water, because even if you had 100% peroxide, some of it would start decomposing to water (and oxygen) as you stored it.

    Drugstore peroxide is 3% concentration. If you pour it on a catalyst, like silver or platinum, you will see bubbles forming in the solution (released oxygen), and the liquid will get somewhat warmer due to the released energy. Above roughly 70% concentration, the heat released is enough to vaporize all the water content, so if you pass it through a good catalyst, you will get all gas coming out the other side, and gas can be accelerated through a rocket nozzle to produce thrust. At 70%, the gas is only just above the boiling point of water, but as the concentration goes up, the temperature goes up fast. 90% peroxide, the most common grade used for propulsion, produces gas at about 1400 F temperature. Going all the way to 98% peroxide, the highest concentration produced, gives a few hundred degrees more temperature, but at a significant price increase. Higher temperature lets you use less propellant for a given amount of thrust-time, because it maintains a given chamber pressure with a less dense, but hotter, mixture (a simplification).

    "Real" rocket propellants have temperature several thousand degrees higher, which does indeed increase performance, but the engines have to be cooled, and you need to manage both a fuel and an oxidizer in some form. One of our fundamental system trades is that it is better for an X-Prize class vehicle to use a propellant that simplifies vehicle engineering, even if you have to use more of it.

    We use 90% peroxide from a small specialty supplier for all of our flight vehicles, but they closed shop a while ago, and we haven't been able to come to terms with the only domestic supplier of 90% peroxide, FMC chemical corp. Because of this, we have been working on alternate propellant schemes for a good part of this year, in parallel with building the full size X-Prize vehicle. If we had been able to just buy 90% peroxide like we buy all of our other industrial chemicals, we never would have bothered with the research.

    Just about every week, someone asks why we don't concentrate it ourselves. True, dozens of people have made a few gallons of high concentration peroxide at various times, but there have only been two large scale concentrators operated in the US outside of the official manufacturers - Rotary Rocket had a concentrator, but it only went to 85% concentration, and it didn't do purification, and Beal Aerospace had a large scale concentrator operational after the blew up their first one. Sure, we could figure out how to do it, but then we would be in the chemical plant business instead of the rocket business, and that's not what we want to do. I am funding an operator in Houston to produce a few thousand pounds of 90% for us, but he is six months behind schedule on delivery, which proves my point about it not being as simple as people think.

    The direction we have been pursuing is using a combination of 50% peroxide, which is readily available through distributors from multiple manufacturers, and a small amount of miscible fuel (methanol in our current work). 50% peroxide by itself doesn't work as a rocket propellant, because you can't boil all the water, which makes even decomposing most of the peroxide difficult. Adding a fuel and (the tricky part!) getting it to burn with the released oxygen gives you the energy necessary to vaporize the water and get everything up to a high temperature. Mixing fuels with high concentration oxidizers usually makes a touchy and deadly explosive (we have intentionally detonated a mix of 90% peroxide and alcohol - Very Scary), but buffered with 50% water, and running off of stoichemetric mixture ratio, the risk is not very high. We have a study report from the Department of Mines in the late 50's investigating th

    1. Re:Peroxide rocket propellants by Red+Rocket · · Score: 2, Interesting


      We use 90% peroxide from a small specialty supplier for all of our flight vehicles, but they closed shop a while ago, and we haven't been able to come to terms with the only domestic supplier of 90% peroxide, FMC chemical corp.

      That's kind of messed up because FMC just closed its peroxide plant near me citing a lack of demand for the product.

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  80. Re:Hello? "Chilling effect?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "...but rest of the fight, I'm sad to say, is going to have to fought elsewhere."

    This is the same cop-out you cowards have been using for years. And in the end, the battle is never fought because no one has the balls to see it through.

    I'd like to see the EFF take on the DMCA directly. Unfortunately, they only take on the little insignificant cases that amount to nothing in the long run. A win for the little guy is nice. But the EFF is fooling themselves if they believe they're making any real difference as far as the DMCA is concerned.

  81. Shame that isn't up for vote... by khenson · · Score: 1

    Well, I don't have any input on whether or not you "come back" but speaking for ONE American - I'd rather you simply stay gone.

    The imbecile posted incorrect data about migration statistics and I set him straight so my post was not "just as bad" - it was in defense of something I believe in - my country.

    Most Canadians give American's grief about being motivated too much by money and not enough by... well... whatever Canadians are motivated by. Where the hell do you stand? Are the U.S. and Canadian Dollar values your only motivation? Then I suppose that makes you the worst of both worlds. "Money grubbing" Americans are at least notoriously patriotic and Canadians are... well... Canadians.

    You're neither...

    1. Re:Shame that isn't up for vote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And still you rape the English language. Please visit your nearest Elementary School to learn when (and when not -- they're not salt on french fries, damnit) to use apostrophes.

  82. Huh? by autopr0n · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If it wasn't for the fact that the content of the Diebold memo's is something every American should know about, there would be no legal reason for allowing it to stay up.

    Hosting the source to HL2 is totally illegal. Any responsible organization would take it down if they were liable.

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    autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
  83. Diebold memos mirrored by Belgand · · Score: 1

    A friend of mine goes to Swarthmore and has mentioned to me about how the administration is shutting down all students mirroring them. However, her boyfriend is also mirroring them.

    http://www.plastic-idolatry.com/diebold [user: diebold, password: die]

  84. Funny Money... by hughk · · Score: 1
    You may find that the funds that you are currently paying for your internal ISP aren't necessarily convertable. In business, I have come across some really strange charges that are applied by the IS department to my clients and look for ways to minimize them by outsourcing.

    Regretablly, as the outsoucing company isn't contributing to the bottom line, the real cash available is much smaller. However, having an outsourcing proposal on the table when discussing service-level agreements and costs works wonders.

    On Common-Carrier status, this one is easy. You incorporate an ISP as a non-profit but owned by the college. As a single function company, it is easy to have common carrier status. The fact that it only provides services for the college and its students is immaterial.

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  85. Dual PC not sold in the UK by EnglishTim · · Score: 2, Informative

    Darn it. Actiontec only sell broadband and adsl modems in the UK.

    Curses!

  86. oreilly + open source = comdex? by millette · · Score: 1
    oreillynet as a voting booth (no no no, not Diebold) to let you express yourself for your favorite floss:
    "O'Reilly is working with COMDEX to organize an Open Source Innovation Area on the COMDEX Exhibit Floor. We've nominated 21 projects and we'd like you to help us select the six projects we'll send to COMDEX. The winning projects will be recognized by COMDEX and we'll invite a leader from the project to come to COMDEX and run demos on the show floor. This will give Open Source projects an opportunity to go where only commercial software vendors have gone before."
  87. The "fast" site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why the 403 thing on the tarball? And... are those mailto links anti-spam? If so, does it work?

  88. Stupid Question about the Rocket Anchor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just read your 8/31 entry on Armadillo Aerospace's site and had to wonder: why not test fire the big vehicles into the ground?

  89. PC104 radiation hardened? by TheLink · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Just curious, are the electronics you use radiation hardened?

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  90. mirror by Net_Wakker · · Score: 1

    files are here.

  91. Re:Yes we do:Hitler was a Socialist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Hitler was a Socialist
    Wrong.
  92. Patent Office Cancels Swing Patent by Anonymous+Custard · · Score: 1

    Well that's the first sensible thing I've heard them do in years.

    But if they don't repeal Amazon's "one click shopping" patent, I'm going to demand a patent on "one eye blinking", or "Winking" as I call it.

  93. IANAPoliticalScientist, but I play one on Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Ashcroft: Personally - I'd say as socialist as they come
    The word you are looking for is "authoritarian." Socialism is an economic policy, and there is no inherent link between economic policy and personal freedom. Pinochet was an authoritarian capitalist; Hitler, despite the name of his party, was an economic moderate. Likewise, there are libertarian* socialists, which, while they seem fairly common among the geek crowd, rarely get elected in the U.S.

    See also: The Political Compass

    *Small-l libertarianism should not be confused with the big-l Libertarianism of the U.S. Libertarian Party, which is, in terms of economic policy, neo-liberal (i.e., even farther to the right than the Republicans).

  94. Voting doesn't count, Diebold does. by kolombangara · · Score: 0
    Diebold's attempts to bring undisclosed-source, unauditable black-box voting to a ballot box near you



    Remember, it's not the amount of votes that count, it's who or what counts the votes that count. Also keep in mind Diebold has 6 ex-CIA members (is there such a thing?) on their board of directors.

  95. Re:Hello? "Chilling effect?" by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 1

    I don't mind people saying things I disagree with.

    I mind people ripping other people off.

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    evil adrian
  96. Diebold, What could the incentive be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't it be ironic if Swathmores' administration was worried that if they opposed Diebold that subsequent ballot initiatives that would benefit them would somehow fail.

    Where is the independent voice of the schools?

  97. Wondering about a Bank's motives? by fair_n_hite_451 · · Score: 1

    Its about the money, its ALWAYS about the money. In the case of Canadian banks (as reflective of our national inferiority complex) it's also about being seen to be a player at "the big tables". I'm sure that the 'wigs at RBC were seduced because some of the major US Banks were involved in the SCO investment, and they're playing "me too!" with our money.

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    Reason why there is hope for the future generation #364:
    "I wish my grass was emo so it could cut itself."
  98. Mod parent up please by Tin+Foil+Hat · · Score: 1

    Who modded this guy as troll? He raises an interesting point, whatever your particular viewpoint on OSS.

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    No matter how many of my rights are taken away, somehow I still don't feel safe. -Frigid Monkey
  99. Re:Hello? "Chilling effect?" by WNight · · Score: 1

    Posting the Diebold memos violates the same law as posting _The Matrix_. Also, if the memos were in PDF form they might be nearly as big (well, maybe 20-50MB, certainly more than 10k or anything).

    How do you stop one and not stop the other?

  100. Re:Hello? "Chilling effect?" by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 1

    No one uses internal corporate memos for entertainment purposes, and no one would purchase them at Best Buy, so right there you can see a clear difference in the two activities.

    As far as the laws that are violated, not sure if they're the same... if we're talking about DMCA, I have a feeling DMCA wouldn't be interpreted by any sane court to block the posting of memos that are of public interest.

    As for the technological hows, if I knew how, I'd be a gazillionaire.

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    evil adrian
  101. Re:attention canadians. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you weren't a fag, you wouldn't have a dick in your mouth.

  102. Re:Lies! All Lies! by pmz · · Score: 1

    We're a virus with shoes...

    While this is generally true, I have trouble accepting any argument that uses the word "fecundity."

  103. Re:attention canadians. by pmz · · Score: 1

    Now if only we could figure out why the hell the ACLU has such wood for the electronic voting machines...

    Well, speaking optimistically, perhaps the ACLU didn't understand the technical issues and the potential corruption that electronic voting allows. Perhaps they saw electronic voting as an easy solution to other problems seen over the years and made decisions with the right intentions just not the right knowledge.

    Pessimistically speaking, maybe the ACLU can be bought out, too?