No offence was intended; my assertion was meant to be that those who deny the efficacy of vaccines tend to be new-age crystal swingers (to steal your excellent turn of phrase) rather than parents of autistics are such.
"What I would like to know is just how much research have people like you done into the issue?"
Ad hominem attack.
I would note that, as conspiracy theories are an area of special interest to me, I take great pains to research not only the nutbag nonsense, but the real science behind any claims.
"Because I know a hell of a lot people, including some within the vaccine industry, who, if they posted here, could destroy every single one of your arguments."
Appeal to authority. If you can't make your own argument, then kindly keep your mouth shut.
"Most of the so called "fallcies" you claim are far from that."
Caught two already.
"The people I know who are anti-vaccine generally tend to be more intelligent, better educated and questioning than the people who aren't."
I'm a bit rusty on my fallacies, for I've misremembered the name of this one--but no, you cannot claim that because your particular group is somehow 'smarter' your argument is automatically correct. It's a non sequitur.
"If you had a child who was suffering from autism"
Appeal to emotion, another fallacy.
"How many medical experts have you spoken to about vaccines?"
Appeal to authority, again. Namedropping the various folks at various departments of health whom I've spoken with about this will not 'prove' anything. The argument should stand on its own, without recourse to celebrity.
"How many books have you read? How many studies have you read?"
Many, including those disproving the only study to have claimed the aformentioned alleged 'link'.
"Anyone who is at least interested in educating themselves"...would do far better to take a course in basic logic and biology, like I said before, rather than reading that crackpot bit of nonsense.
"I realise I am wasting my time here,"
Then why post?
" I am sick of uneducated people bashing those who are anti-vaccine when they're uninformed. "
Ad hominem, again.
"If you've done all the research and still feel it's bogus, then fair play to you."
I have, thank you.
" someone I know"
Friend of a friend third-hand knowledge is not valid for consideration, thank you.
"Please, educate yourself. READ studies on vaccines etc... And I mean government studies, not the PR material that the companies put out."
Yes, and that's why I know the alleged link was disproved.
For someone who claims not to indulge in fallacy, you've certainly a great deal of it in your post.
God's apparently like Microsoft...you can file a bug report, but you'll not get it fixed unless you decompile the binary and fix it y'self.
Pity he didn't hand out a copy of the source code along with every chromosone set....unless that's what the Bible Code -really- is...
Given that the folks shrieking the loudest about the thimerosal-autism 'link' (as if a single study that's since been discredited many, many times can be called a 'link') tend to be parents of autistic children who also tend to go in for bogus new-age nonsense like 'chelation' and 'collodial silver' treatments, I don't think the whole nonsense is quite over yet. It's definitely a nice step in the right direction, but no amount of proof will really convince conspiracy theorists that their pet paranoia is without merit--they merely will claim that the 'truth' is being 'covered up' by the Big Pharmaceutical companies, and that the government is out to poison your children with the evil vaccinations that 'confuse your immune system' leaving you 'open to illness.' Most of them would benefit from a good solid course in basic logic (to overturn the fallacies they base their 'theories' on) and in basic biology and chemistry. The best we can hope for, I suppose, is that they'll select themselves out of the gene pool by applying nonsensical and hazardous treatments to themselves and their offspring.
Curious; I was under the impression that the fair use doctrine allowed a single backup--at least, last time I checked.
I note, though, that with the qualifier 'if' I note this as a hypothetical situation anyway. Certainly wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of the RIAA and whatnot......because they're bloodsucking bastards who ruin the good name of copyright for those who have actual legitimate uses for it.
* Fuck LimeWire, Morpheus has a check box where you don't automatically share downloaded files. I would note that all P2P clients I've seen to date allow one to specify the directory that one downloads one's new acquisitions to--and to specify the directory that others can see.
Said directories are never, as far as I've seen, forced to overlap.
This would be why you can get a couple GB of hires pictures of trees and mountains and interesting rocks (and some seagulls) off of my computer should I fire up a P2P client, but if I were to download a 'backup' of one of my legally purchased CDs--mind you, I'd -never- infringe on a copyright, goodness no, wouldn't dream of it--you'd never see it listed as being on my system.
But then, I don't leave very many defaults uninvestigated.
I'm fond of video game song remixes myself, for a number of reasons--I've most of my pathetic old 4gb iPod filled with much of the contents of remix.overclocked.org, and the rest filled with things I own reasonably.
However, I'd be glad to sell my old iPod to 'em for $40k. I could use an upgrade. And a new car. And a couple classes at the local university. And maybe a nice dinner out. And a new computer....
Done further with http://www.bannination.com/ which is more of a true fork, being that it covers the 'wierd news' angle along with the NSFWork content.
You can get a girl's best friend that much faster and cheaper....wonder how long until they start selling 'em..."Here, dear, how about a nice big rock for you?"...wonder if that'll get me anywhere...
Is this only for the people who used the tax preparation software itself, or do those of us who used in good faith their web service to file our taxes, based on a recommendation from the IRS's website, also have a risk of having our identities stolen?
Er...not to be pedantic, and I'm sure the comment was meant in jest, but...
You forgot Mars and Venus, you insensitive clod.;-)
That said, I can't wait to see pictures myself. That it transmitted for 90 minutes probably means that it landed on a solid surface, rather than sinking into an ocean or something. Hopefully they landed in a nice scenic spot.
...by their implementation of the exploit. Using Java as an exploit-crafting tool is really quite ingenious. Perhaps we'll see more of this in the future: seeing as Java runs in a sandbox, it would be very difficult to put a viral load on a distributed exploit......of course, that just means that it makes life safer for the script kiddies....so perhaps this isn't a good idea after all.
....of using cellphones? I don't think so. First, any mandated "awareness" is going to end up being much like the warnings on over-the-counter medicines--vague warnings in legalese/medicalese, printed in flyspeck 8, on whatever packaging said phone comes in. Other than compulsive readers like myself, who actually reads that?
Also, let's let Darwinism have a chance for once, and weed the idiots out who use the "counterfeit" betteries. As for those who unluckily got one through the cellphone ssupplier....well, shows the survivors that it's not a good idea to shop there.
Of course, just so it's clear, I also think they should take the warning tags off of hair dryers...just to see how many people decide to dry their hair in the bathtub. It's a nice quick fix for population control, anyway, ne?
And to update on the voting procedures in Bangor, just to be informative.
There is no conceivable way to misinterpret the ballot. It's nice and large, printed in 14 point type so even the old people [ of which there are many around here ] can read it. Next to each candidate, there is a "broken arrow"....an arrow that has the middle part missing. To indicate your choice, you use the marker they give you to fill in the gap beside your choice. Then, you take your ballot and feed it to the R2/D2 unit in the corner......well, it's not an R2 unit, but it vaguely resembles one, and it warbles happily when you've fed it. It also has a counter on it, giving the count of how many ballots it's eaten. There were two ballots involved: A federal/state one, where the presidential race was on the front, and the state questions were on the back, and a local one.
Authentication was provided by going up to the nice lady at the desk and telling her your name and address. She repeated this out loud for the benefit of the overseers who were sitting behind, with a copy of the registered voter's list to check against. I didn't see what happened if you're not registered, as I registered a couple weeks ago. [ In Maine, you can register on election day, but I decided it was wise to do so beforehand. ]
It wasn't very busy at all....the city did well dividing up the precincts to vote in. All in all a pretty decent experience, and I have a lot of confidence my vote will be counted correctly.
.....and really, the presidential race means little to nothing to me, as I hate both of the candidates. I'll vote out the incumbent, because I don't like the way the country's going right now, but that's about it.
No, my chief reason for being excited is because of the local issues on the ballot--for instance, the city I live in [ Bangor, ME ] has an issue on the ballot to move the police station away from downtown. I personally feel it belongs downtown, where people can walk into it....but anyway. That, and a couple state measures, are the only good reasons to vote for me, other than the general principal of "If I don't vote, I really have to right to bitch about what happens, later"
....seems to be a good idea. And I'm quite sure that it'll be interesting to see what movies take advantage of this new technology....as well as which actors, just to be macho, will still do all their own stunts.
you know, funny you should mention this. I heard on NPR the other day a statement by Kerry, in which he said that a heckler had told him sometime last year that he'd only be president when the Red Sox won the world series....
....is a pretty good idea, actually. You can assemble it for long enough for a halloween kinda LAN party, and then after, depending on your processor, you could have an already cooked pumpkin for baking purposes.
Apparently, governments have taken it upon themselves to notice that the general populace is incapable of making rational, mature decisions for itself, and thus feels the need to exert control over what is and is not allowed.
Cryin' shame that people can't think for themselves these days.
The government should *not* take the responsibility. It never works.
A better idea would be parenting classes, offered freely, and perhaps mandatory for first tiem parents.
After all, before there was the nice government to take care of us, how the hell did kids get raised, anyway?
Natrually. China has a history of keeping it's citizens from having free access to the 'net.
It basically comes down to the fact that the current Chinese government has it in its best interests to keep it's citizenry ignorant, and listening to the party line.
I'd recommend reading "1984" and exchanging the word "China" for "Oceania" for a good idea of what the Chinese government would like to be happening.
But it seems that this is what happens when a country is allowed any sort of say in what constitutes "acceptable" use of anything. It's more or less well known that China's been firewalling off various chunks of the internet for years [ can't let those subversive ideas in, y'know, the citizenry might get a notion to revolt ] and this would just be more of the same.
Keep in mind, however, there are some parts of the United States that have a similar mindset. I mind me of the Maine library association....there were grants given out to give them internet access, but with a catch, that they had to have filtering software installed. Of course, many people cried "censorship!" and let slip the dogs of protest, but in the end, the puritans fought harder to keep all the corrupting influences from our youth, etc, etc.
Forgive my rambling...I'm not caffeinated yet. ^^;
....and I'd say it provides useful arguements for converting people from Windows and Mac platforms to Linux...but sadly, most people I try to convert use the "but this does what I want already, and that's more work, and I don't really see the benefit" excuse. It seems that people tend to suffer with what they have, if it works at all, rather than put in a little effort and change something to be much better.
Then again, I've always been a lousy salesman, so it may just be me. *wink*
Obviously, theyv'e never seen mine...the only reason that the icons even line up is because the automatic line up feature's enabled. As for my non-computer desktop....it's been declared a Superfund site, and the EPA guys will be along any time now with the hazmat suits.
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No offence was intended; my assertion was meant to be that those who deny the efficacy of vaccines tend to be new-age crystal swingers (to steal your excellent turn of phrase) rather than parents of autistics are such.
"What I would like to know is just how much research have people like you done into the issue?" Ad hominem attack. I would note that, as conspiracy theories are an area of special interest to me, I take great pains to research not only the nutbag nonsense, but the real science behind any claims. "Because I know a hell of a lot people, including some within the vaccine industry, who, if they posted here, could destroy every single one of your arguments." Appeal to authority. If you can't make your own argument, then kindly keep your mouth shut. "Most of the so called "fallcies" you claim are far from that." Caught two already. "The people I know who are anti-vaccine generally tend to be more intelligent, better educated and questioning than the people who aren't." I'm a bit rusty on my fallacies, for I've misremembered the name of this one--but no, you cannot claim that because your particular group is somehow 'smarter' your argument is automatically correct. It's a non sequitur. "If you had a child who was suffering from autism" Appeal to emotion, another fallacy. "How many medical experts have you spoken to about vaccines?" Appeal to authority, again. Namedropping the various folks at various departments of health whom I've spoken with about this will not 'prove' anything. The argument should stand on its own, without recourse to celebrity. "How many books have you read? How many studies have you read?" Many, including those disproving the only study to have claimed the aformentioned alleged 'link'. "Anyone who is at least interested in educating themselves" ...would do far better to take a course in basic logic and biology, like I said before, rather than reading that crackpot bit of nonsense.
"I realise I am wasting my time here,"
Then why post?
" I am sick of uneducated people bashing those who are anti-vaccine when they're uninformed. "
Ad hominem, again.
"If you've done all the research and still feel it's bogus, then fair play to you."
I have, thank you.
" someone I know"
Friend of a friend third-hand knowledge is not valid for consideration, thank you.
"Please, educate yourself. READ studies on vaccines etc... And I mean government studies, not the PR material that the companies put out."
Yes, and that's why I know the alleged link was disproved.
For someone who claims not to indulge in fallacy, you've certainly a great deal of it in your post.
God's apparently like Microsoft...you can file a bug report, but you'll not get it fixed unless you decompile the binary and fix it y'self. Pity he didn't hand out a copy of the source code along with every chromosone set....unless that's what the Bible Code -really- is...
Given that the folks shrieking the loudest about the thimerosal-autism 'link' (as if a single study that's since been discredited many, many times can be called a 'link') tend to be parents of autistic children who also tend to go in for bogus new-age nonsense like 'chelation' and 'collodial silver' treatments, I don't think the whole nonsense is quite over yet. It's definitely a nice step in the right direction, but no amount of proof will really convince conspiracy theorists that their pet paranoia is without merit--they merely will claim that the 'truth' is being 'covered up' by the Big Pharmaceutical companies, and that the government is out to poison your children with the evil vaccinations that 'confuse your immune system' leaving you 'open to illness.' Most of them would benefit from a good solid course in basic logic (to overturn the fallacies they base their 'theories' on) and in basic biology and chemistry. The best we can hope for, I suppose, is that they'll select themselves out of the gene pool by applying nonsensical and hazardous treatments to themselves and their offspring.
Curious; I was under the impression that the fair use doctrine allowed a single backup--at least, last time I checked. I note, though, that with the qualifier 'if' I note this as a hypothetical situation anyway. Certainly wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of the RIAA and whatnot. .....because they're bloodsucking bastards who ruin the good name of copyright for those who have actual legitimate uses for it.
I'm fond of video game song remixes myself, for a number of reasons--I've most of my pathetic old 4gb iPod filled with much of the contents of remix.overclocked.org, and the rest filled with things I own reasonably. However, I'd be glad to sell my old iPod to 'em for $40k. I could use an upgrade. And a new car. And a couple classes at the local university. And maybe a nice dinner out. And a new computer....
Done further with http://www.bannination.com/ which is more of a true fork, being that it covers the 'wierd news' angle along with the NSFWork content.
You can get a girl's best friend that much faster and cheaper. ...wonder how long until they start selling 'em..."Here, dear, how about a nice big rock for you?" ...wonder if that'll get me anywhere...
Is this only for the people who used the tax preparation software itself, or do those of us who used in good faith their web service to file our taxes, based on a recommendation from the IRS's website, also have a risk of having our identities stolen?
Er...not to be pedantic, and I'm sure the comment was meant in jest, but...
;-)
You forgot Mars and Venus, you insensitive clod.
That said, I can't wait to see pictures myself. That it transmitted for 90 minutes probably means that it landed on a solid surface, rather than sinking into an ocean or something. Hopefully they landed in a nice scenic spot.
...by their implementation of the exploit. Using Java as an exploit-crafting tool is really quite ingenious. Perhaps we'll see more of this in the future: seeing as Java runs in a sandbox, it would be very difficult to put a viral load on a distributed exploit. .....of course, that just means that it makes life safer for the script kiddies....so perhaps this isn't a good idea after all.
....of using cellphones? I don't think so. First, any mandated "awareness" is going to end up being much like the warnings on over-the-counter medicines--vague warnings in legalese/medicalese, printed in flyspeck 8, on whatever packaging said phone comes in. Other than compulsive readers like myself, who actually reads that?
Also, let's let Darwinism have a chance for once, and weed the idiots out who use the "counterfeit" betteries. As for those who unluckily got one through the cellphone ssupplier....well, shows the survivors that it's not a good idea to shop there.
Of course, just so it's clear, I also think they should take the warning tags off of hair dryers...just to see how many people decide to dry their hair in the bathtub. It's a nice quick fix for population control, anyway, ne?
Except that the last time Prometheus stole something, didn't he get chained to a rock with an eagle ripping out his liver?
Some people never learn...
And to update on the voting procedures in Bangor, just to be informative.
.....well, it's not an R2 unit, but it vaguely resembles one, and it warbles happily when you've fed it. It also has a counter on it, giving the count of how many ballots it's eaten. There were two ballots involved: A federal/state one, where the presidential race was on the front, and the state questions were on the back, and a local one.
There is no conceivable way to misinterpret the ballot. It's nice and large, printed in 14 point type so even the old people [ of which there are many around here ] can read it. Next to each candidate, there is a "broken arrow"....an arrow that has the middle part missing. To indicate your choice, you use the marker they give you to fill in the gap beside your choice. Then, you take your ballot and feed it to the R2/D2 unit in the corner.
Authentication was provided by going up to the nice lady at the desk and telling her your name and address. She repeated this out loud for the benefit of the overseers who were sitting behind, with a copy of the registered voter's list to check against. I didn't see what happened if you're not registered, as I registered a couple weeks ago. [ In Maine, you can register on election day, but I decided it was wise to do so beforehand. ]
It wasn't very busy at all....the city did well dividing up the precincts to vote in. All in all a pretty decent experience, and I have a lot of confidence my vote will be counted correctly.
.....and really, the presidential race means little to nothing to me, as I hate both of the candidates. I'll vote out the incumbent, because I don't like the way the country's going right now, but that's about it.
No, my chief reason for being excited is because of the local issues on the ballot--for instance, the city I live in [ Bangor, ME ] has an issue on the ballot to move the police station away from downtown. I personally feel it belongs downtown, where people can walk into it....but anyway. That, and a couple state measures, are the only good reasons to vote for me, other than the general principal of "If I don't vote, I really have to right to bitch about what happens, later"
....seems to be a good idea. And I'm quite sure that it'll be interesting to see what movies take advantage of this new technology....as well as which actors, just to be macho, will still do all their own stunts.
you know, funny you should mention this. I heard on NPR the other day a statement by Kerry, in which he said that a heckler had told him sometime last year that he'd only be president when the Red Sox won the world series....
......it's a funny world.
....is a pretty good idea, actually. You can assemble it for long enough for a halloween kinda LAN party, and then after, depending on your processor, you could have an already cooked pumpkin for baking purposes.
Apparently, governments have taken it upon themselves to notice that the general populace is incapable of making rational, mature decisions for itself, and thus feels the need to exert control over what is and is not allowed.
Cryin' shame that people can't think for themselves these days.
The government should *not* take the responsibility. It never works.
A better idea would be parenting classes, offered freely, and perhaps mandatory for first tiem parents.
After all, before there was the nice government to take care of us, how the hell did kids get raised, anyway?
Natrually. China has a history of keeping it's citizens from having free access to the 'net.
It basically comes down to the fact that the current Chinese government has it in its best interests to keep it's citizenry ignorant, and listening to the party line.
I'd recommend reading "1984" and exchanging the word "China" for "Oceania" for a good idea of what the Chinese government would like to be happening.
But it seems that this is what happens when a country is allowed any sort of say in what constitutes "acceptable" use of anything. It's more or less well known that China's been firewalling off various chunks of the internet for years [ can't let those subversive ideas in, y'know, the citizenry might get a notion to revolt ] and this would just be more of the same.
Keep in mind, however, there are some parts of the United States that have a similar mindset. I mind me of the Maine library association....there were grants given out to give them internet access, but with a catch, that they had to have filtering software installed. Of course, many people cried "censorship!" and let slip the dogs of protest, but in the end, the puritans fought harder to keep all the corrupting influences from our youth, etc, etc.
Forgive my rambling...I'm not caffeinated yet. ^^;
....and I'd say it provides useful arguements for converting people from Windows and Mac platforms to Linux...but sadly, most people I try to convert use the "but this does what I want already, and that's more work, and I don't really see the benefit" excuse. It seems that people tend to suffer with what they have, if it works at all, rather than put in a little effort and change something to be much better.
Then again, I've always been a lousy salesman, so it may just be me. *wink*
Obviously, theyv'e never seen mine...the only reason that the icons even line up is because the automatic line up feature's enabled. As for my non-computer desktop....it's been declared a Superfund site, and the EPA guys will be along any time now with the hazmat suits.
I guess I'm using the wrong distro, huh?