> It's made to be a lock-in platform for Apple to sell more DRM-ladden music
Not feeding the trolls so much as consistently rejecting this old excuse. Apple do not sell DRM-laden music. Apple do not sell DRM-encumbered music. Apple's music sales are in AAC format, which is an open format, not an Apple-exclusive format. Music sold by Apple will play on any device that plays AAC music, barring ones with obscure bugs.
Apple's *video* sales, however, are DRM-encumbered.
Thats a fairly recent development and even then only because they were rapidly loosing market share to non-DRM stores like AmazonMP3. But with Amazon out, there is less and less need for being locked into iTunes and iPods -- so they work harder and harder to make it more difficult for end users to use other vendors products.
Remember when you could connect your iPod to computer without iTunes and use it as a hard drive? Remember when you could connect your ipod to your TV for video out without buying special hardware from Apple? Remember when universal connector was actually universal? Remember when you could connect your iPod/iPhone to 3rd party devices like a car stereo adapters and be able to control it?
Sure, people keep hacking around Apple's roadblocks, but with each release of software Apple products get less and less functionality that Apple does not control. Apple is all about gaining total control over their users. Makes that classic 80's superbowl Apple commercial so ironic in retrospect.
On the other hand, every dictatorship gets overturned eventually. They could get away with it when they were the perceived to be the only game in town, but there is so much decent competition these days, it is not shocking they would fight tooth and nail to stay relevant and try to make it as difficult as possible for people to move to products that offer more freedoms.
I would expect Apple fans to proclaim it to be the most innovative and awesome thing ever, even though there is nothing new in the concept and it will probably be more restrictive in what you can do with it than a rented etch-a-sketch. Still, I would expect it to be a raging success, as no other company has as rabid a fan-base that will buy anything Apple throws at them without complaining and will even infect others who should know better to buy them as well. Hell, not proud of it, but I own two ipods, iPhone and a Mac, and I'll probably buy one of theses because while there is nothing new here, no one has been able to successfully produce anything like it on mass scale (again, see rabid fan-base), which I expect will pretty much make them the only game in town. Funny how that turns out.
I am still holding out hope for the CrunchPad. C'mon, the netbooks are now under $200, touchscreen film for that size is about $20 - why has not one of the netbook manufacturers thought of combining the two (there are plenty of hacks online for this) into a tablet only case (not those annoying and expensive turn and flip things?). I bet they just do not think they can sell enough of those. Watch Apple prove them wrong.
But what code does the policy prohibit? Obviously, arbitrary native code is right out, but isn't the C64 emulator a sandbox?
Its not about sandbox or any performance issues or any other excuse they throw out. Its simple - any code that did not get bit for bit approved by Big Brother Steve is out. So any sort of interpreter or emulator is out. Flash is out. Palm emulator (there was one written a year or so back, would be nice to have it) is out. Anything that may run anything that is not completely controlled by Apple is out.
What is interesting is that web based apps are still allowed, but I would not be surprised that slowly they will get phased out in the next few releases.
Yes, you are missing the part where you should read the article
From TFA:
IE8 wasn't the only browser Nils hacked yesterday. After he took down IE8, he moved on to Apple Inc.'s Safari and Mozilla Corp.'s Firefox, both of which he successfully exploited with attack code he had created earlier. His total for the afternoon: $15,000 in cash from TippingPoint, and the Sony laptop
Let's see, you think that the difference between June 6th and June 8th (or 19th if you count ship dates) is playing "catch up" You must know a lot about product development.
I do, having worked on a number of large product releases and I can tell you that looking at the ship dates in this case means jack. See, I pay attention to news, and Pre specs been around IN PUBLIC for quite some time. Do you really think no one at Apple paid attention - hell, they tried to sue Palm to stop them - did not work out well for them tough? I am sure 3GS was planned for a while, but the fact that specs are near identical to Pre does not seem coincidental.
When you don't know an answer to a question your response seems to be different forms of "LOL". Are you nervous and insecure? Moving out of your Mom's basement and getting a job might help your self esteem.
No, not nervous or for that matter insecure. Just when people make silly statements it just makes me laugh. The basement thing in this one particularly tickles me.
Do you think JS/HTML/CSS means web pages? Well I didn't say that, but what is a web page if not an HTML document with or without JS and CSS? Also, why does WebOS use a webserver these applications or did you miss that part. Also, you don't seem to understand the importance of HTML5 - especially for implementing RIA's that work off-line. HTML5 gives you standards based local persistence among other things. It's kind of important.
What does that have to do with your claim of iPhone 1.0 supporting HTML5(proposed in 2008) in 2007 again?
Re: native apps and native speed - Do you understand what an Objective C (or C) compiler outputs? It's machine language for the processor(s) that will execute it. That's different from let's say Java which compiles to byte code for a virtual processor. That's even more different than something that interprets(compiled or not) markup language and script. In the later 2 cases you have at least one layer of interpretation between you and execution and you have less access to the OS's APIs. Whatever access you do have will not be portable so it has the disadvantages of interpretation without the portability. Do you know of any hotspot or JIT compilers for HTML or JS?
Also, again, you do not seem to understand, the Pre SDK uses JS/HTML/CSS - but its running of a web server - it does have access to the OS API.
Compiling does make things faster when you go bit-for-bit, but in this case it is actually just makes things heavier and more bloated and as a result slower. Why do you think Apple contends that iPhone cannot handle more than one application at a time? Because they are using a desktop OS approach on a mobile device. A lighter app approach greatly reduces the memory and cpu requirements.
Also, just because you asked, of course there are plenty of ways to pre-compile ANYTHING. Hell, back in the day we used to pre-compile perl scripts to speed them up.
"Universal Search", aka Spotlight is part of iPhone 3.0. It can do more though since it can access your iDrive too.
Like I said, they are trying to catch up. Only 10 years behind and gaining fast;-)
Tell me when Pre or Android start running Flash. Tell me why I'd want to.
I do not know what that means. But Pre is supposed to have Flash soon, and I think Android already has it. iPhone would have it, but Apple did not allow it (something about fear of competition).
As to why, because there is a lot of flash content online that is cool. For one, you can view ALL of YouTube and not just things Apple deems ok. For other, there is a lot of other content out there.
I doubt that you've ever spent any time using or evaluating an iPhone. I'm not sure you've spent much time in the adult world from what you've written.
Man, your keen insight continues to crack me up.
Just for the record, I have an iPhone and have used it for a while, as I developed apps for it.
The whole "you control what the hardware does" thing is overrated. All I and most people want is music and games and clear voice, we really don't care how it achieves that. The fact that most people are willing to buy a subsidized phone that entails them to a contract, essentially leasing the phone in everything but name, strongly implies to me that "owning" a cellphone as opposed to merely paying for the convenience of carrying one isn't an important issue for most people.
If you read my original comment, that WAS pretty much the point. Pre could never outperform iPhone with average people - the best they can do is to win over power users and geeks who actually value being able to use their devices in the way THEY want.
I'm not sure what your beef is about "native speed." Objective-C compiles to assembly, and that's what the iPhone runs your software on. It's just always going to be faster, just like on WinCE, or JITed Java.
My "beef" is that it is an absolutely meaningless term in this context. Everything on any platform reduces to machine code. Just because it is compiled here rather than there does not make it faster. Yes interpretive languages tend to be slower than compiled, but as you pointed out there are many ways to bridge the gap (JIT!) or even outperform compiled code. It is the specific implementations make it faster or slower and if you have lots of bloat, no amount of compiling will save you.
Since there is no Flash in the Pre there is also no ActionScript. You can go back do some scripting now....
ActionScript is ECMAScript - just like JavaScript. Its the same fracking language, you dodo.
My point is that if you know how to do ActionScript - you know how to do JavaScript, and JavaScript IS included. I did not realize I needed to spell it out here.
I guess you aren't familiar with the iPhone 3Gs yet.
You mean iPhone's attempt to keep up with Palm? Yes, spec wise 3Gs is close to Pre, but without support for multitasking, its a moot point
Isn't the "standard easy to develop platform" Javascript and HTML5 running on Webkit. That's what iPhone 1.0 launched with in 2007!
LOL. You either do not get it or playing stupid.
Objective C is for folks who want native speed. That option (native code) is not yet supported for Pre developers.
Now I know you are just putting me on. "Native speed", ROTFLMAO
"Ability to develop for ANY OS"? How is that? If it's Javascript and HTML5 it will also run on the iPhone and Android. So what is special about Pre?
For one, you keep using HTML5 like it means something. For another, just because Pre apps are WRITTEN in JS/HTML/CSS - does not mean they are web pages. Pre apps have access to all the local storage and can interact with all the hardware and other software and function without network connectivity.
While I think Android API implementation to run Pre Apps is possible (and will likely to appear within 6-12 mos), I doubt iPhone will ever be able to do it - if for no other reason than Big Brother Steve will never allow it - history proves it over and over.
"No big-brother" and "No app kill-switch" are security vulnerabilities that can endanger more than the device itself. It's a shared network. Ever use a PC? Do you like how any there is not way to be sure as where your applications really come from? Let's see how well that works out.
Worked for Apple's own OS X, Windows, BSD, all flavors of UNIX, Java apps, PalmOS, Android, and just about every other operating system EVER created. So why is it that with iPhone Apple tells us that we are apparently too dumb to decide for ourselves if we want to install something or if something is appropriate to create for the platform? I'll tell you why, its not security, its all about control. Complete control over you in the guise of "its better for you". And people still fall for that load of crap.
"Ability to synch music to multiple sources" - You can do that with an iPhone if you really want to. The iPhone is a USB mass storage device. Tell us about how the Pre does it automagically.
Theoretically yes, practically, no, you cannot. It does not really work, if you hook up your iPhone to another machine, it will try to wipe your previous library, even if you select manual control over your device. Older iPod devices could function as USB devices, but they removed that functionality a while back. You can still hack into it, but its a pain.
What do you mean by "Universal search"?
You know, like search of your whole device, like PalmOS did in the late 90's (and ever since). I think 3.0 will have a limited version of it - something that should have been there from day 1.
The ability to buy music directly to the handset is part of iPhone 3.0.
So, exactly how do I buy from AmazonMP3 on 3.0? Oh yeah, you can only buy from the Big Brother and any other application that will even remotely compete with Big Brother is rejected.
Keep going on, please.
Oh, yeah, you can also run all the old PalmOS Apps, which despite being ugly as sin, are still a lot more useful than their iPhone counterparts. Now, there exists a PalmOS emulator for iPhone, but Apple would not allow it to be released, so it never was. Just like TomTom navigation (until now) and Adobe Flash - both of which existed for iPhone since 2.0 launch but were forbidden from being released.
You have all the web developers and all the flash developers who are already trained in it
You're wrong, Flash developers are trained only in Flash and most of the time don't even know how to use it correctly. Anything else scares them to death and claim the world don't understand them.
Why is the Pre better? Can you give specific examples?
OK here are a few examples of top of my head:
* Faster CPU
* Better memory handling
* Multitasking (that works!)
* Keyboard
* Ability to link quick launch to any button
* Standard, easy to develop for platform
* Ability to develop for on ANY OS instead of being locked in
* No big-brother having absolute power over approving your apps
* No app kill-switch
* Universal search
* Ability to sync music to multiple sources
* Ability to buy music directly on handset
I really doubt that they will launch any legal assault. Palm probably has a patent on syncing a PDA device with a PC or some such thing. Apple will at best just change the software so it doesn't work or will leave it. Other devices already sync with iTunes and Apple makes money when you buy music so why bother with a law suit?
You can't sync DRMed music from iTunes to Pre - so I doubt sales on iTunes is much of a motivator (non-DRMed music on iTunes store is a lot more expensive than on their competitors like AmazonMP3)
More likely knowing Apple's big brother mentality, they will do it in the Microsoft fashion - just introduce little changes that will break the Pre functionality and claim ignorance.
What I don't get is why is everyone so hot for it to move to Verizon.
I've owned Sprint phones, Verizon phones, and currently AT&T phones. I can tell you this about Verizon: . Their service sucks - stupidity, bordering on maliciousness Their handset selection sucks - they never have anything decent or anything recent They love to cripple what little they DO have. They are expensive compared to others. . All that said, I'd switch back to Verizon in a heartbeat if they had a decent phone (and Pre seems like a great phone).Why? Because unlike AT&T or Sprint, their service actually works everywhere, including places AT&T seems to think no one goes to - like inside buildings. When I had Verizon I used to make fun of all those people looking for signal, cause I could always take out my handset and get decent reception. Now I am one of the clowns who are forever searching for signal. Sad, really, but hey, I have a nicer handset.....
I thought people would eventually learn this after all the discussion of "why can't I move my iPhone to Verizon?" In the US, Verizon and Sprint use CDMA. Each phone has to be developed for each specific network. AT&T and T-Mobile use GSM, the worldwide standard where phones can be "unlocked" and moved to other networks (as long as the phone support the frequencies used by those networks). So don't hold your breath waiting for a Verizon Pre.
Just to add to the whole "You Are Wrong" reply crowd - you are wrong - but it is still very hard to transfer handset between Sprint and Verizon. They use same system and people (including myself) used to transfer handsets from Sprint to Verizon all the time - took come hacking (change home network ids and roaming lists), but its not technically impossible and with Verizon being notorious for never having any decent recent handsets, it was a necessity. But a number of years ago Verizon decided to be nasty and they now whitelist their own phones, so that when you try to activate a non-Verizon phone they refuse to. Its not a technical limitation - just a business stupidity on part of Verizon. I never understood it either, as they claim to loose money on handsets, so providing service without providing the handset should benefit them, no....
Not until you can develop Pre apps in something other than Javascript/HTML/CSS...
Like what? Objective-Crap? Puh-lease. JS/HTML/CSS is a bold choice - but makes perfect sense. You have all the web developers and all the flash developers who are already trained in it and you can develop on ANY platform you want - so a lot easier to get apps created faster. Now if only they would release the SDK!!!!
The benefits of a real smartphone with the convenience of a monopoly provider doesn't quite do it for me.
Doubt it. You can't kill stupidity - general crowd will always go for style over substance. The best Palm can hope for is getting the geek crowd that actually understands why Pre is better, but even they can frequently be swayed by the "ooooh - shiny".
Microsoft is going to abandon Windows, and buy Apple.
Will not happen but it is a nice pipe dream. Would be nice to have a real OS like OS/X with windows-like openness. Yeah, I hear myself. Its a messed up world where that sentence makes sense, but compared to an OS that will not let you set desktop background to a color of your choosing without doing a workaround, Windows is freedom personified.
Of course the cost of that freedom will probably be too high anyway, but there is a little part of me that thinks if MS started with a decent OS instead of hacking poor old DOS to death, things might have been much nicer.
Vista Ultimate can be had for much less than $400 if you know where to look. I see full copies of Ultimate going for $150 to $175 on eBay all the time.
And a copy of OS/X runs about $56 on ebay. Whats your point?
The original poster was comparing OS/X vs Windows to Vista vs XP. Literal or figurative, agree or disagree, the comparison was a valid one. Point was, that it is an expensive way to do pretty much same thing as you could do without spending the money. It had nothing to do with figuring out what deal you can find where or if it is $259, $319 or $400.
Nope. None of them are examples of using frames right, since they break navigation and bookmarking. Go RTFA, and in the RTFA, follow the link to Jakob Nielsen's article to learn about the problem of frames that you've overlooked.
You really want to stick to quoting a 1996 article whose chief concern is that there are many people using browsers earlier that IE3/Netscape2 and that search engines can't follow it? Give me a break. Things have changed in last 13 years. Yes you can bookmark it, yes you can break out of the frame easily, and now you can also get dynamic content from other sites integrated, something they did not even try in 1996.
That's like saying "in and of itself, using a cell phone or radio while driving is not bad". There are a very few exceptions where it's helpful. Communications for long-haul trucking is very helpful, and for delivery personnel to get directions at the delivery point in slow traffic. But it's so overused and so destructive in its normal use.
Erm, I do not see anything bad in using either cell phone or a radio while driving, and in fact I use both when I am on four wheels. Most vehicles comes with those items built in these days, so whats your point?
If the frame has a button or such to close it, I don't have a problem with the frame.
I think this "It is eeeeeeevil!!!!" crowd got its panties in a bunch. Sure, there are lots of bad ways to use frames, but in and of itself frames are not a bad thing. In fact most, if not all of the examples mentioned are specifically examples of how to use frames RIGHT. They identify themselves, give you a way to break out of it, and allow you to continue to get the "Web 2.0"/AJAXy (or whatever buzzword you want to use) services from their site while letting you to see the pages you want to see. The old way of opening popups or new browsers have been rendered annoying by a combination of advertising and tabbed browsers - so I can see why frames are making a come back.
That said, I think people should always be given a choice. If someone wants to suffer, let them. Just add a setting in the web app that says "Open links: a - inline(frame), b - this window, c - new window"
No kidding. Chewbacca always struck me as very dog-like with his speech.
Gee, very strange for a being who's very name is a mixture of words for man (chelovek) and dog(sobaka). Its not a coincidence that in Spaceballs the character was "Mog". (half-man, half dog)
If an organized group of people orchestrated this attack in order to bring attention to some goal, wouldn't that make them a terrorist group?
While I understand what you are trying to say, somehow I doubt CWA would be declared a terrorist organization... at least not with Obama in office. (not that I think Bush would have done it ether)
Lets not all go blaming terrorist organizations on this one.
My money is on unionized workers facing layoffs or payroll cuts. They would best know how to hurt the system and this sort of sabotage being linked to unions is not exactly unheard of.
I am not sure how it played out nationwide - but locally its been widely reported and was a major story ( here is Cronicle article)
From the story:
The vandalism comes as AT&T is in talks with the Communications Workers of America for a contract covering more than 80,000 employees, who have been working under their old deal since it expired at 11:59 p.m. Saturday. Union members voted in late March to authorize a strike but have not scheduled one.
Funny... wasn't it AT&T's cables that were cut in exactly the spots that only people working for AT&T would know would cause damage....
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> It's made to be a lock-in platform for Apple to sell more DRM-ladden music
Not feeding the trolls so much as consistently rejecting this old excuse. Apple do not sell DRM-laden music. Apple do not sell DRM-encumbered music. Apple's music sales are in AAC format, which is an open format, not an Apple-exclusive format. Music sold by Apple will play on any device that plays AAC music, barring ones with obscure bugs.
Apple's *video* sales, however, are DRM-encumbered.
Thats a fairly recent development and even then only because they were rapidly loosing market share to non-DRM stores like AmazonMP3. But with Amazon out, there is less and less need for being locked into iTunes and iPods -- so they work harder and harder to make it more difficult for end users to use other vendors products.
Remember when you could connect your iPod to computer without iTunes and use it as a hard drive? Remember when you could connect your ipod to your TV for video out without buying special hardware from Apple? Remember when universal connector was actually universal? Remember when you could connect your iPod/iPhone to 3rd party devices like a car stereo adapters and be able to control it?
Sure, people keep hacking around Apple's roadblocks, but with each release of software Apple products get less and less functionality that Apple does not control. Apple is all about gaining total control over their users. Makes that classic 80's superbowl Apple commercial so ironic in retrospect.
On the other hand, every dictatorship gets overturned eventually. They could get away with it when they were the perceived to be the only game in town, but there is so much decent competition these days, it is not shocking they would fight tooth and nail to stay relevant and try to make it as difficult as possible for people to move to products that offer more freedoms.
-Em
I would expect Apple fans to proclaim it to be the most innovative and awesome thing ever, even though there is nothing new in the concept and it will probably be more restrictive in what you can do with it than a rented etch-a-sketch. Still, I would expect it to be a raging success, as no other company has as rabid a fan-base that will buy anything Apple throws at them without complaining and will even infect others who should know better to buy them as well. Hell, not proud of it, but I own two ipods, iPhone and a Mac, and I'll probably buy one of theses because while there is nothing new here, no one has been able to successfully produce anything like it on mass scale (again, see rabid fan-base), which I expect will pretty much make them the only game in town. Funny how that turns out.
I am still holding out hope for the CrunchPad. C'mon, the netbooks are now under $200, touchscreen film for that size is about $20 - why has not one of the netbook manufacturers thought of combining the two (there are plenty of hacks online for this) into a tablet only case (not those annoying and expensive turn and flip things?). I bet they just do not think they can sell enough of those. Watch Apple prove them wrong.
-Em
But what code does the policy prohibit? Obviously, arbitrary native code is right out, but isn't the C64 emulator a sandbox?
Its not about sandbox or any performance issues or any other excuse they throw out. Its simple - any code that did not get bit for bit approved by Big Brother Steve is out. So any sort of interpreter or emulator is out. Flash is out. Palm emulator (there was one written a year or so back, would be nice to have it) is out. Anything that may run anything that is not completely controlled by Apple is out.
What is interesting is that web based apps are still allowed, but I would not be surprised that slowly they will get phased out in the next few releases.
-Em
Yes, you are missing the part where you should read the article
From TFA:
IE8 wasn't the only browser Nils hacked yesterday. After he took down IE8, he moved on to Apple Inc.'s Safari and Mozilla Corp.'s Firefox, both of which he successfully exploited with attack code he had created earlier. His total for the afternoon: $15,000 in cash from TippingPoint, and the Sony laptop
Let's see, you think that the difference between June 6th and June 8th (or 19th if you count ship dates) is playing "catch up" You must know a lot about product development.
I do, having worked on a number of large product releases and I can tell you that looking at the ship dates in this case means jack. See, I pay attention to news, and Pre specs been around IN PUBLIC for quite some time. Do you really think no one at Apple paid attention - hell, they tried to sue Palm to stop them - did not work out well for them tough? I am sure 3GS was planned for a while, but the fact that specs are near identical to Pre does not seem coincidental.
When you don't know an answer to a question your response seems to be different forms of "LOL". Are you nervous and insecure? Moving out of your Mom's basement and getting a job might help your self esteem.
No, not nervous or for that matter insecure. Just when people make silly statements it just makes me laugh. The basement thing in this one particularly tickles me.
Do you think JS/HTML/CSS means web pages? Well I didn't say that, but what is a web page if not an HTML document with or without JS and CSS? Also, why does WebOS use a webserver these applications or did you miss that part. Also, you don't seem to understand the importance of HTML5 - especially for implementing RIA's that work off-line. HTML5 gives you standards based local persistence among other things. It's kind of important.
What does that have to do with your claim of iPhone 1.0 supporting HTML5(proposed in 2008) in 2007 again?
Re: native apps and native speed - Do you understand what an Objective C (or C) compiler outputs? It's machine language for the processor(s) that will execute it. That's different from let's say Java which compiles to byte code for a virtual processor. That's even more different than something that interprets(compiled or not) markup language and script. In the later 2 cases you have at least one layer of interpretation between you and execution and you have less access to the OS's APIs. Whatever access you do have will not be portable so it has the disadvantages of interpretation without the portability. Do you know of any hotspot or JIT compilers for HTML or JS?
Also, again, you do not seem to understand, the Pre SDK uses JS/HTML/CSS - but its running of a web server - it does have access to the OS API.
Compiling does make things faster when you go bit-for-bit, but in this case it is actually just makes things heavier and more bloated and as a result slower. Why do you think Apple contends that iPhone cannot handle more than one application at a time? Because they are using a desktop OS approach on a mobile device. A lighter app approach greatly reduces the memory and cpu requirements.
Also, just because you asked, of course there are plenty of ways to pre-compile ANYTHING. Hell, back in the day we used to pre-compile perl scripts to speed them up.
"Universal Search", aka Spotlight is part of iPhone 3.0. It can do more though since it can access your iDrive too.
Like I said, they are trying to catch up. Only 10 years behind and gaining fast ;-)
Tell me when Pre or Android start running Flash. Tell me why I'd want to.
I do not know what that means. But Pre is supposed to have Flash soon, and I think Android already has it. iPhone would have it, but Apple did not allow it (something about fear of competition).
As to why, because there is a lot of flash content online that is cool. For one, you can view ALL of YouTube and not just things Apple deems ok. For other, there is a lot of other content out there.
I doubt that you've ever spent any time using or evaluating an iPhone. I'm not sure you've spent much time in the adult world from what you've written.
Man, your keen insight continues to crack me up.
Just for the record, I have an iPhone and have used it for a while, as I developed apps for it.
-Em
The whole "you control what the hardware does" thing is overrated. All I and most people want is music and games and clear voice, we really don't care how it achieves that. The fact that most people are willing to buy a subsidized phone that entails them to a contract, essentially leasing the phone in everything but name, strongly implies to me that "owning" a cellphone as opposed to merely paying for the convenience of carrying one isn't an important issue for most people.
If you read my original comment, that WAS pretty much the point. Pre could never outperform iPhone with average people - the best they can do is to win over power users and geeks who actually value being able to use their devices in the way THEY want.
I'm not sure what your beef is about "native speed." Objective-C compiles to assembly, and that's what the iPhone runs your software on. It's just always going to be faster, just like on WinCE, or JITed Java.
My "beef" is that it is an absolutely meaningless term in this context. Everything on any platform reduces to machine code. Just because it is compiled here rather than there does not make it faster. Yes interpretive languages tend to be slower than compiled, but as you pointed out there are many ways to bridge the gap (JIT!) or even outperform compiled code. It is the specific implementations make it faster or slower and if you have lots of bloat, no amount of compiling will save you.
Since there is no Flash in the Pre there is also no ActionScript. You can go back do some scripting now....
ActionScript is ECMAScript - just like JavaScript. Its the same fracking language, you dodo.
My point is that if you know how to do ActionScript - you know how to do JavaScript, and JavaScript IS included. I did not realize I needed to spell it out here.
-Em
I guess you aren't familiar with the iPhone 3Gs yet.
You mean iPhone's attempt to keep up with Palm? Yes, spec wise 3Gs is close to Pre, but without support for multitasking, its a moot point
Isn't the "standard easy to develop platform" Javascript and HTML5 running on Webkit. That's what iPhone 1.0 launched with in 2007!
LOL. You either do not get it or playing stupid.
Objective C is for folks who want native speed. That option (native code) is not yet supported for Pre developers.
Now I know you are just putting me on. "Native speed", ROTFLMAO
"Ability to develop for ANY OS"? How is that? If it's Javascript and HTML5 it will also run on the iPhone and Android. So what is special about Pre?
For one, you keep using HTML5 like it means something. For another, just because Pre apps are WRITTEN in JS/HTML/CSS - does not mean they are web pages. Pre apps have access to all the local storage and can interact with all the hardware and other software and function without network connectivity.
While I think Android API implementation to run Pre Apps is possible (and will likely to appear within 6-12 mos), I doubt iPhone will ever be able to do it - if for no other reason than Big Brother Steve will never allow it - history proves it over and over.
"No big-brother" and "No app kill-switch" are security vulnerabilities that can endanger more than the device itself. It's a shared network. Ever use a PC? Do you like how any there is not way to be sure as where your applications really come from? Let's see how well that works out.
Worked for Apple's own OS X, Windows, BSD, all flavors of UNIX, Java apps, PalmOS, Android, and just about every other operating system EVER created. So why is it that with iPhone Apple tells us that we are apparently too dumb to decide for ourselves if we want to install something or if something is appropriate to create for the platform? I'll tell you why, its not security, its all about control. Complete control over you in the guise of "its better for you". And people still fall for that load of crap.
"Ability to synch music to multiple sources" - You can do that with an iPhone if you really want to. The iPhone is a USB mass storage device. Tell us about how the Pre does it automagically.
Theoretically yes, practically, no, you cannot. It does not really work, if you hook up your iPhone to another machine, it will try to wipe your previous library, even if you select manual control over your device. Older iPod devices could function as USB devices, but they removed that functionality a while back. You can still hack into it, but its a pain.
What do you mean by "Universal search"?
You know, like search of your whole device, like PalmOS did in the late 90's (and ever since). I think 3.0 will have a limited version of it - something that should have been there from day 1.
The ability to buy music directly to the handset is part of iPhone 3.0.
So, exactly how do I buy from AmazonMP3 on 3.0? Oh yeah, you can only buy from the Big Brother and any other application that will even remotely compete with Big Brother is rejected.
Keep going on, please.
Oh, yeah, you can also run all the old PalmOS Apps, which despite being ugly as sin, are still a lot more useful than their iPhone counterparts. Now, there exists a PalmOS emulator for iPhone, but Apple would not allow it to be released, so it never was. Just like TomTom navigation (until now) and Adobe Flash - both of which existed for iPhone since 2.0 launch but were forbidden from being released.
You have all the web developers and all the flash developers who are already trained in it
You're wrong, Flash developers are trained only in Flash and most of the time don't even know how to use it correctly. Anything else scares them to death and claim the world don't understand them.
Erm, What do you think ActionScript is???
-Em
Why is the Pre better? Can you give specific examples?
OK here are a few examples of top of my head:
* Faster CPU
* Better memory handling
* Multitasking (that works!)
* Keyboard
* Ability to link quick launch to any button
* Standard, easy to develop for platform
* Ability to develop for on ANY OS instead of being locked in
* No big-brother having absolute power over approving your apps
* No app kill-switch
* Universal search
* Ability to sync music to multiple sources
* Ability to buy music directly on handset
I can go on....
-Em
I really doubt that they will launch any legal assault.
Palm probably has a patent on syncing a PDA device with a PC or some such thing. Apple will at best just change the software so it doesn't work or will leave it. Other devices already sync with iTunes and Apple makes money when you buy music so why bother with a law suit?
You can't sync DRMed music from iTunes to Pre - so I doubt sales on iTunes is much of a motivator (non-DRMed music on iTunes store is a lot more expensive than on their competitors like AmazonMP3)
More likely knowing Apple's big brother mentality, they will do it in the Microsoft fashion - just introduce little changes that will break the Pre functionality and claim ignorance.
-Em
What I don't get is why is everyone so hot for it to move to Verizon.
I've owned Sprint phones, Verizon phones, and currently AT&T phones. I can tell you this about Verizon:
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Their service sucks - stupidity, bordering on maliciousness
Their handset selection sucks - they never have anything decent or anything recent
They love to cripple what little they DO have.
They are expensive compared to others.
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All that said, I'd switch back to Verizon in a heartbeat if they had a decent phone (and Pre seems like a great phone).Why? Because unlike AT&T or Sprint, their service actually works everywhere, including places AT&T seems to think no one goes to - like inside buildings. When I had Verizon I used to make fun of all those people looking for signal, cause I could always take out my handset and get decent reception. Now I am one of the clowns who are forever searching for signal. Sad, really, but hey, I have a nicer handset.....
-Em
I thought people would eventually learn this after all the discussion of "why can't I move my iPhone to Verizon?" In the US, Verizon and Sprint use CDMA. Each phone has to be developed for each specific network. AT&T and T-Mobile use GSM, the worldwide standard where phones can be "unlocked" and moved to other networks (as long as the phone support the frequencies used by those networks). So don't hold your breath waiting for a Verizon Pre.
Just to add to the whole "You Are Wrong" reply crowd - you are wrong - but it is still very hard to transfer handset between Sprint and Verizon. They use same system and people (including myself) used to transfer handsets from Sprint to Verizon all the time - took come hacking (change home network ids and roaming lists), but its not technically impossible and with Verizon being notorious for never having any decent recent handsets, it was a necessity. But a number of years ago Verizon decided to be nasty and they now whitelist their own phones, so that when you try to activate a non-Verizon phone they refuse to. Its not a technical limitation - just a business stupidity on part of Verizon. I never understood it either, as they claim to loose money on handsets, so providing service without providing the handset should benefit them, no....
-Em
Not until you can develop Pre apps in something other than Javascript/HTML/CSS...
Like what? Objective-Crap? Puh-lease. JS/HTML/CSS is a bold choice - but makes perfect sense. You have all the web developers and all the flash developers who are already trained in it and you can develop on ANY platform you want - so a lot easier to get apps created faster. Now if only they would release the SDK!!!!
-Em
Will this make be an iPhone killer?
The benefits of a real smartphone with the convenience of a monopoly provider doesn't quite do it for me.
Doubt it. You can't kill stupidity - general crowd will always go for style over substance. The best Palm can hope for is getting the geek crowd that actually understands why Pre is better, but even they can frequently be swayed by the "ooooh - shiny".
-Em
Microsoft is going to abandon Windows, and buy Apple.
Will not happen but it is a nice pipe dream. Would be nice to have a real OS like OS/X with windows-like openness. Yeah, I hear myself. Its a messed up world where that sentence makes sense, but compared to an OS that will not let you set desktop background to a color of your choosing without doing a workaround, Windows is freedom personified.
Of course the cost of that freedom will probably be too high anyway, but there is a little part of me that thinks if MS started with a decent OS instead of hacking poor old DOS to death, things might have been much nicer.
-Em
Vista Ultimate can be had for much less than $400 if you know where to look. I see full copies of Ultimate going for $150 to $175 on eBay all the time.
And a copy of OS/X runs about $56 on ebay. Whats your point?
The original poster was comparing OS/X vs Windows to Vista vs XP. Literal or figurative, agree or disagree, the comparison was a valid one. Point was, that it is an expensive way to do pretty much same thing as you could do without spending the money. It had nothing to do with figuring out what deal you can find where or if it is $259, $319 or $400.
-Em
Nope. None of them are examples of using frames right, since they break navigation and bookmarking. Go RTFA, and in the RTFA, follow the link to Jakob Nielsen's article to learn about the problem of frames that you've overlooked.
You really want to stick to quoting a 1996 article whose chief concern is that there are many people using browsers earlier that IE3/Netscape2 and that search engines can't follow it? Give me a break. Things have changed in last 13 years. Yes you can bookmark it, yes you can break out of the frame easily, and now you can also get dynamic content from other sites integrated, something they did not even try in 1996.
-Em
That's like saying "in and of itself, using a cell phone or radio while driving is not bad". There are a very few exceptions where it's helpful. Communications for long-haul trucking is very helpful, and for delivery personnel to get directions at the delivery point in slow traffic. But it's so overused and so destructive in its normal use.
Erm, I do not see anything bad in using either cell phone or a radio while driving, and in fact I use both when I am on four wheels. Most vehicles comes with those items built in these days, so whats your point?
-Em
If the frame has a button or such to close it, I don't have a problem with the frame.
I think this "It is eeeeeeevil!!!!" crowd got its panties in a bunch. Sure, there are lots of bad ways to use frames, but in and of itself frames are not a bad thing. In fact most, if not all of the examples mentioned are specifically examples of how to use frames RIGHT. They identify themselves, give you a way to break out of it, and allow you to continue to get the "Web 2.0"/AJAXy (or whatever buzzword you want to use) services from their site while letting you to see the pages you want to see. The old way of opening popups or new browsers have been rendered annoying by a combination of advertising and tabbed browsers - so I can see why frames are making a come back.
That said, I think people should always be given a choice. If someone wants to suffer, let them. Just add a setting in the web app that says "Open links: a - inline(frame), b - this window, c - new window"
-Em
No kidding. Chewbacca always struck me as very dog-like with his speech.
Gee, very strange for a being who's very name is a mixture of words for man (chelovek) and dog(sobaka). Its not a coincidence that in Spaceballs the character was "Mog". (half-man, half dog)
-Em
Um, was anyone terrified that the fiber had been cut?
People who had servers at 200Paul Colo? (Which I did until last year)
-Em
No.
What makes a terrorist group a terrorist group, is that they inflict, you know, terror .
Cutting some cables isn't going to (and, in fact, didn't) send the general populace into a panic.
Yes, it's an inconvenience, but unless they are trying to instill terror in the general populace, they're not terrorists.
Would that make them annoyanceists?
Now define terrorist organization.
If an organized group of people orchestrated this attack in order to bring attention to some goal, wouldn't that make them a terrorist group?
While I understand what you are trying to say, somehow I doubt CWA would be declared a terrorist organization... at least not with Obama in office. (not that I think Bush would have done it ether)
-Em
Lets not all go blaming terrorist organizations on this one.
My money is on unionized workers facing layoffs or payroll cuts. They would best know how to hurt the system and this sort of sabotage being linked to unions is not exactly unheard of.
I am not sure how it played out nationwide - but locally its been widely reported and was a major story ( here is Cronicle article)
From the story:
The vandalism comes as AT&T is in talks with the Communications Workers of America for a contract covering more than 80,000 employees, who have been working under their old deal since it expired at 11:59 p.m. Saturday. Union members voted in late March to authorize a strike but have not scheduled one.
Funny... wasn't it AT&T's cables that were cut in exactly the spots that only people working for AT&T would know would cause damage....
-Em