I have to ask, how can you justify athiesm? Isn't it at least 0.00000000000 00000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000001% possible that there might possibly be a god of some sort, even if it's not even close to what is preached by the standard religions?
I haven't been able to come up with a proof that 100% proved god dosen't exist, so how can I say with certainty that he does not. Is there a rebutal to this that I am unaware of?
Because the gvt has already regulated the mutiple ways that we pay them for products that they do not provide us. It should be painfully obvious that once the gvt starts giving industries help financially/legally they are obligated to keep them in the best intrested of the People.
faxes are logged. And we can send faxes on the intranet to voicemail boxes here, without ever leaving our desk. I don't know about voice conversations though.
God I hope not, what will I listen to while I code. di.fm has brought more to my work abilities than any schooling I ever had. And 50% of the songs on it AERN'T EVEN RIAA RECORDS
FUCK YOU RIAA
god fucking damnit. I can't express my anger adequatly atm, I'm just so pissed. I feel like a teenager being grounded for going to school or something.
mod me down if you want, I don't feel like being anon for this.
Honestly, what site other than passport and UAGENT sniffing sites don't render correctly? I haven't seen one, perhaps you can enlighten me.
WMP plugin isn't something I use, so YMMV. If you don't like the startup time try 1.1a it got alot faster once they stoped working on 'other things'.
All of the features I listed in the other are advantages.
You can change the UI to have pink flamingos and roses and rolex watches if you so wish, it's what skins are for. It's silly to complain about a skinable application looking odd.
I have not seen mozilla crash since (on any platform/os) 0.9.9, if you do, are you using a feedback enabled build? Are you sending the feedback? Thats the only way your specific problem can be fixed.
In the end, I urge you to give 1.1a a try, I can hardly stand to use IE anymore after using Mozilla as my primary browser for several months. The interface for IE is just too clunky, and I can reliably cause it to crash with a little bit of creative JS scripting (which happens to be used on ezboard.com...). And to be honest, I haven't noticed a single mis-rendered site since I changed my UAGENT to MSIE, a cheap hack, but I needed to for a site I regular (it rendered fine with it set, which rather annoyed me, I don't visit the site as often any more..)
Um I count 3 red fields in the Mozilla column, and none of those aern't red for IE. My point still stands, though obviusly Mozilla still needs a little help.
No its not, Mozilla is better than IE on any platform. Show me a site that dosen't snif the UAGENT/jscript browser string that displays incorrectly in Moz but not IE, and show me IE do tabs/popup killing/cookie control/image control/password control/form control at even 1/10th Moz's level and you have a case.
Since none of that is happening, IE is the underdog in everything except marketshare.
Yes, mozilla 1.0 is perhaps the single most significant event in the history of open source. It's starting to sink in to me.
If you think about it, 90% (made up figure) of people use the computer to browse the web/check email and a portion of that uses it for AIM/etc all. Mozilla 1.0 signals the release of the first 'finished' web browser for the new desktop contenders, sure konqueror/opera are great, and they have thier advantages, but Mozilla is almost exactly a drop in replacment for the web browser that joe something has learned to be the 'internet'.
Sure having kde3/gnome(whatever version it's on) is great, it's a drop in replacment for WindowsXP (if you have technicians to install/repair it, which you have for windows anyway..), it's prety and everything. If your running a older box or a terminal, you can use one of the Windows-95 lookalikes that are really light on the memory/processor, and people will get along just fine. The problem before was konqurer/opera (whatever) couldn't display all sites (yes I know they are *great* browsers, but they aern't nearly as fully featured as Mozilla), and I wouldn't even dare suggesting a solution that would stop my users from being able to surf freely (we would become the "evil IT department" in the peroid of a few seconds).
Mozilla can change all of that, I can now get rid of my old Windows95 licenses (it's amazing how long those boxen don't get upgraded after the support stops) and transfer them up to a replacment in Linux/FreeBSD with a look/work-a-like environment. I can do this because my users no longer rely on IE to display somefunnysitethatnoonehaseverheardofbefore.com when they want to, which is the main non-productive use of any computer anymore I'm willing to venture.
As always, all thoughts expressed are my own, IANAL, YMMV, IAABOFH.
Ah ok, I see your point. I am just starting to grow weary of everyone else posting "Mozilla dosen't display stuff correctly!" when the only pages I've seen not display are UAGENT blocking sites.
The problem lies with IE, and it's MS's problem, you should send some feedback (it took one of my techs 3 hours to figure out how to contact someone about thier passport UAGENT block, so good luck =p)
It's silly for mozilla to lie to a site. It's the sites problem not yours, send an email.
To be honest the only site I've seen so far is the passport website, but then again about every page on it is non-standard HTML and br0ks the w3c validator.
My corp (3k empl) is currently considering using it on our new ghosts, we are running 30 trial users currently to weed out any bugs, or to figure out if it dosen't agree with anyone. So far almost all the feedback has been positive, the only hitch we have found is passport dosen't honor the UAGENT string, we are currently talking to MS about that.
It beats IE out of the water performance wise (we are going to find out stability as we go, of course), and we can start using more dumb X-terminals instead of full blown 500mhz citrix/app running beasts.
Use mozilla for your daily browsing routine, you can set a bookmark to a collection of sites, then bind that collection to a internet 'keyword'.
All of your days browsing will load at once (and not slow like in IE when you try and open 15 pages at once), and you can move between tabs with zero load time.
If your into deep magic, I'm sure you can swap the new kernel into place w/o actually going to a post screen, I doubt you could do it in multi-user mode though.
I know, I meant if there was a security bug, that would be a reason. I'm not recomending patching at the rate online games seem to like doing, but if something happens in 6 months, it *can* be fixed without waiting for the poor users to flash their rom themselfs.
Fortunatly since it's linux not win32 you can flash the rom without any special system states, so it could be done transparently whenever the company felt the need to do so.
I don't think there are that many ways to exploit todays TCP stacks anyway (well except the ones from MS),/me knocks on wood
Watch out if your doing CSS in any sort of non-trivial form, Mozilla has about 50x better CSS engine than IE, and it might display correct there but not in IE.
Other than that IE generally does a decent job rendering webpages (cough, remember those browser senser JS's that we all love?..)
I agree with what you said, and I'd like to add something.
The IE codebase has become stale, with a little optimization, since the death of Netscape (probably late 2000). IE has offered no real new features, except the new.NET stuff, since the removed the competition from market. If IE had continued inovating at the earlier pace (CSS, vrml, ect ect) after they destroyed the competition, I might be sympathetic to them, but as it stands they have performed the #1 no no in our economy.
They destroyed the competition, then offered nothing to the customer in exchange for removing the option of Free market in this field, I for one am glad Mozilla is doing as well as it is; and if AOL/TW start semi-pushing it it will catch on. ATM it is technically/really a better product than IE on *any platform*, and judging by the 1.1a release it's only going to keep improving.
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I have to ask, how can you justify athiesm? Isn't it at least 0.00000000000 00000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000001% possible that there might possibly be a god of some sort, even if it's not even close to what is preached by the standard religions?
I haven't been able to come up with a proof that 100% proved god dosen't exist, so how can I say with certainty that he does not. Is there a rebutal to this that I am unaware of?
It's trolls like you that have ruined your own land, you'll not ruin mine!!!
Music.. ..are[sic] businesses, not god-given rights[sic].
:)
So basically your saying that there was no music before the RIAA? I find that difficult to believe
Because the gvt has already regulated the mutiple ways that we pay them for products that they do not provide us. It should be painfully obvious that once the gvt starts giving industries help financially/legally they are obligated to keep them in the best intrested of the People.
Because they are a cartel not a buisness.
faxes are logged. And we can send faxes on the intranet to voicemail boxes here, without ever leaving our desk. I don't know about voice conversations though.
God I hope not, what will I listen to while I code. di.fm has brought more to my work abilities than any schooling I ever had. And 50% of the songs on it AERN'T EVEN RIAA RECORDS
FUCK YOU RIAA
god fucking damnit. I can't express my anger adequatly atm, I'm just so pissed. I feel like a teenager being grounded for going to school or something.
mod me down if you want, I don't feel like being anon for this.
Honestly, what site other than passport and UAGENT sniffing sites don't render correctly? I haven't seen one, perhaps you can enlighten me.
...). And to be honest, I haven't noticed a single mis-rendered site since I changed my UAGENT to MSIE, a cheap hack, but I needed to for a site I regular (it rendered fine with it set, which rather annoyed me, I don't visit the site as often any more..)
WMP plugin isn't something I use, so YMMV. If you don't like the startup time try 1.1a it got alot faster once they stoped working on 'other things'.
All of the features I listed in the other are advantages.
You can change the UI to have pink flamingos and roses and rolex watches if you so wish, it's what skins are for. It's silly to complain about a skinable application looking odd.
I have not seen mozilla crash since (on any platform/os) 0.9.9, if you do, are you using a feedback enabled build? Are you sending the feedback? Thats the only way your specific problem can be fixed.
In the end, I urge you to give 1.1a a try, I can hardly stand to use IE anymore after using Mozilla as my primary browser for several months. The interface for IE is just too clunky, and I can reliably cause it to crash with a little bit of creative JS scripting (which happens to be used on ezboard.com
Um I count 3 red fields in the Mozilla column, and none of those aern't red for IE. My point still stands, though obviusly Mozilla still needs a little help.
No its not, Mozilla is better than IE on any platform. Show me a site that dosen't snif the UAGENT/jscript browser string that displays incorrectly in Moz but not IE, and show me IE do tabs/popup killing/cookie control/image control/password control/form control at even 1/10th Moz's level and you have a case.
Since none of that is happening, IE is the underdog in everything except marketshare.
Yes, mozilla 1.0 is perhaps the single most significant event in the history of open source. It's starting to sink in to me.
If you think about it, 90% (made up figure) of people use the computer to browse the web/check email and a portion of that uses it for AIM/etc all. Mozilla 1.0 signals the release of the first 'finished' web browser for the new desktop contenders, sure konqueror/opera are great, and they have thier advantages, but Mozilla is almost exactly a drop in replacment for the web browser that joe something has learned to be the 'internet'.
Sure having kde3/gnome(whatever version it's on) is great, it's a drop in replacment for WindowsXP (if you have technicians to install/repair it, which you have for windows anyway..), it's prety and everything. If your running a older box or a terminal, you can use one of the Windows-95 lookalikes that are really light on the memory/processor, and people will get along just fine. The problem before was konqurer/opera (whatever) couldn't display all sites (yes I know they are *great* browsers, but they aern't nearly as fully featured as Mozilla), and I wouldn't even dare suggesting a solution that would stop my users from being able to surf freely (we would become the "evil IT department" in the peroid of a few seconds).
Mozilla can change all of that, I can now get rid of my old Windows95 licenses (it's amazing how long those boxen don't get upgraded after the support stops) and transfer them up to a replacment in Linux/FreeBSD with a look/work-a-like environment. I can do this because my users no longer rely on IE to display somefunnysitethatnoonehaseverheardofbefore.com when they want to, which is the main non-productive use of any computer anymore I'm willing to venture.
As always, all thoughts expressed are my own, IANAL, YMMV, IAABOFH.
Ah ok, I see your point. I am just starting to grow weary of everyone else posting "Mozilla dosen't display stuff correctly!" when the only pages I've seen not display are UAGENT blocking sites.
The problem lies with IE, and it's MS's problem, you should send some feedback (it took one of my techs 3 hours to figure out how to contact someone about thier passport UAGENT block, so good luck =p)
It's silly for mozilla to lie to a site. It's the sites problem not yours, send an email.
To be honest the only site I've seen so far is the passport website, but then again about every page on it is non-standard HTML and br0ks the w3c validator.
I'd rather it be found and exploited/fixed than found and kept to the very very good black hats..
But then I could be wrong, letting the real hackers in is obviously less of a threat than patching and no threat at all.
My corp (3k empl) is currently considering using it on our new ghosts, we are running 30 trial users currently to weed out any bugs, or to figure out if it dosen't agree with anyone. So far almost all the feedback has been positive, the only hitch we have found is passport dosen't honor the UAGENT string, we are currently talking to MS about that.
It beats IE out of the water performance wise (we are going to find out stability as we go, of course), and we can start using more dumb X-terminals instead of full blown 500mhz citrix/app running beasts.
If you keep point 1, and two, but remove "and Mozilla" from point two, then you have described the current state of afairs.
Show me some CSS that breaks mozilla, and I will believe you, until then IE is the inferior browser by far.
Use mozilla for your daily browsing routine, you can set a bookmark to a collection of sites, then bind that collection to a internet 'keyword'.
All of your days browsing will load at once (and not slow like in IE when you try and open 15 pages at once), and you can move between tabs with zero load time.
If your into deep magic, I'm sure you can swap the new kernel into place w/o actually going to a post screen, I doubt you could do it in multi-user mode though.
I know, I meant if there was a security bug, that would be a reason. I'm not recomending patching at the rate online games seem to like doing, but if something happens in 6 months, it *can* be fixed without waiting for the poor users to flash their rom themselfs.
No No No!
It's BioX (Basic In/Out - Xtreme) , much more hip.
Fortunatly since it's linux not win32 you can flash the rom without any special system states, so it could be done transparently whenever the company felt the need to do so.
/me knocks on wood
I don't think there are that many ways to exploit todays TCP stacks anyway (well except the ones from MS),
Netscape: A (small) company that sold a web browser, competing against a free web browser that was equal backed by a few dollars of marketing.
Sony: A giant company, I'm sure they make shoe polish if you ask around enough...
Nintendo: They might have troubles, but XBox will never (repeat) never win Japan over, even if it's the only thing being used in the USA.
Do you see how that comparison isn't exactly fair?
And reason #1, when you press back it dosen't jump 3 pages up in the previous document.
Watch out if your doing CSS in any sort of non-trivial form, Mozilla has about 50x better CSS engine than IE, and it might display correct there but not in IE.
Other than that IE generally does a decent job rendering webpages (cough, remember those browser senser JS's that we all love?..)
I agree with what you said, and I'd like to add something.
.NET stuff, since the removed the competition from market. If IE had continued inovating at the earlier pace (CSS, vrml, ect ect) after they destroyed the competition, I might be sympathetic to them, but as it stands they have performed the #1 no no in our economy.
The IE codebase has become stale, with a little optimization, since the death of Netscape (probably late 2000). IE has offered no real new features, except the new
They destroyed the competition, then offered nothing to the customer in exchange for removing the option of Free market in this field, I for one am glad Mozilla is doing as well as it is; and if AOL/TW start semi-pushing it it will catch on. ATM it is technically/really a better product than IE on *any platform*, and judging by the 1.1a release it's only going to keep improving.