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A Terabyte of Data on a Laptop Hard Drive
KaosConMan writes: "TechnologyReview.com has an article describing a new technique being developed by General Electric and IBM to further decrease the size needed to magnetically store data. This new technique could produce 150 gigabits per square centimeter-- that's ~57,000 songs on an iPod or a terabyte on a laptop size hard drive!"
I wonder
1. how much does that thing heat up
2. how in hell I'm going to back up a terabyte from my laptop. I already have there too many things that I care about (I do backups on cd-rw), but with a terabyte of data I'd better have two of them and go with raid.....
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20 meg hard drives should be enough for anyone. Anything more will just be wasted.
um..hmm..guess that saying doesn't apply anymore
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As in, if you use them or more than eight hours a day, do they die within three months like a half-dozen of my "deathstar" drives have done?
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Heck, with a hard drive the size of the top of your lap you should be able to fit 1TB of data onto it. It would be a pain in the arm to carry, but hey with that much space you could put a lot of ...
Porn is pretty variable, but whichever form it is, it's still a lot of porn!
The junk pile just gets too big.
This is already obsolete. Terabytes of information on a creditcard sized medium have been announced years ago.
What are the limitations of flash RAM? At some point will we be able to rid ourselves of all these moving parts?
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Apart from pr0n divx rips, I imagine it would be very hard to use up 1 terabyte of storage. I am quite happy with about ~60 gigs for everything in my home (65% of that free space is doing nothing). This is spanned over multiple hard drives with multiple operating systems. I wonder what kind of sane person would need that much store on a laptop?
Buying a Dell computer is equivalent to dropping the soap in a prison shower.
Is there some kind of inside joke at Slashdot I'm not aware of? I've been reading /. for years, and no one told me about this. Probably two or three times a month, there's an article about a new processor that's going to run a million times faster than everything we have now, and will take up the space of a 'AA' battery without producing any heat, or, there's an article about a new data storage technique that's going to fit a trillion TBytes within an area the size of an Red Penguin cinnamons box, and will cost about as much as a can of diet coke.
Will someone please let me in on the joke?
Lets see...a 10GB iPod costs $399 -- that's $39.90 per gigabyte. So extrapolating to 1000 gigabytes...yes...we'll have a $39,900 iPod!
I'll take two of them; just let me find my checkbook. Oh shoot, I must have left it in the McLaren...I just hope it isn't in the Bentley. Well, I'll just have my chauffeur bring it 'round in the helicopter. Do you have a pen I could borrow?
The real question is whether this technology will be better (and cheaper!) than any other high capacity memory when it's (maybe) released in 2008.
I have my hopes pegged on static random access technology that doesn't depend on disk technology. Instant power on and no difference between storage and application memory are likely to be killer technologies.
...how many Libraries of Congress is it?
Double-check what you've posted already, guys, please...
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The first thing that crosses my mind when I see the illustration on the page, is how the heck are they going to be able to keep the head floating just right over the media. Today's drives are nearly perfectly flat to keep an even boundry of air to fly the head. With the pillars dipicted in the illustration, the drive will drag air and create turbulence. Even if the valleys are somehow "filled" in with another material (probably with some sort of plasma vapor depostion process), it is quite possible that the surfaces will not match up quite right. And the filler cannot mess up the magnetic properties of the material, or else this process is nearly pointless.
Unless of course, they just sprinkle some Pixie Dust on it and magically make it work.
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However, another concern I have is with magnetics. Larger capacities mean that more magnetic signals are being clustered into smaller spaces, which would seem to make them more prone to distortion by magnetic forces external (the Earth, electric outlets, sunspots) and internal (SDRAM, the laptop monitor, and nearby signals on the drive itself). It's all well and good that the signals can be packed into the drive, but simultaneous advances in read/write head technology and nanoferris combinatorics in the drive wheel need to occur before we can start realizing data densities of the type we'd seriously drool over.
Although, to tell you the truth, I never thought we'd reach a gigabyte in a desktop system either. However, the economic incentives just don't seem to be a driving force in any PC technology development lately, so I'm guessing it will be a while before we can pick this up at Best Buy.
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If they hurry, I'll actually be able to run Final Fantasy XI!
OK, so it's able to store more on the same area... So does this automatically make it good? What about in terms of price, how much do we pay per MB on this new media? Durability? How will these plates be read, is it faster than the current method? Even if this is so, will it reduce or increase heat produced as compared to IDE or SCSI drives?
Anyone has any test results on this proof-of-concept test done by IBM? And I thought they were selling off their hard drive business.
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perhaps it wasn't that funny, but it was on topic and it wasn't trolling... moderators on crack again?
I though IBM was getting out of the Hard Drive market?
Punchcards and now this. Funny!
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I'm sick and tired of hearing these daily reports of "dramatic" advances in technology. I'll see it and believe it when it's served up to me on my plate. And not a moment before that.
Wow! Think of how much Warez I could get off the Apple demo systems at Circuit City!
More and more articles seem to be appearing about nanotechnology from the medical science to that of a harddrive to CPUs. It will be interesting to see how many various ways nanotechnology will go, and more interesting to see if it is actually cost affordable.
Now as far as a terebyte of harddrive space, just how long would that take to format, and if I used any current type (NTFS, FAT, etc) how much of that space would I actually lose? It's great they think they can make this, but wouldn't it be nice if we could actually use the entire amount of space that we current have? I have a 40gb formated as NTFS and I lost about 2.63GB of space. Now of course 2.63GB is nothing when you still have 30gb spare, but its hardly the point.
Thank You.
So what is the capacity in STU (Standard Texas Units)?
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If this coincides with the latest microsoft windows release, there should be at least enough space left for britneyinvegas.jpg.
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Here is an interesting question: How much computer data storage would be required to hold every single type of media created by humans in their whole history of being. I am talking about every single movie, every song, every written work, all the books, all the newspapers & magazines. All the folklore and tales. All the mathematical and scinetific journals. All the philosophical and poetic works.....everything!
Keeping in mind that it would be compressed to afford maximum storage with minimal loss of quality using all forms of compression available today. It boggles my mind to think of all the works that we humans have produced. All that information.
>>>>>> Chewie, take the professor in the back and plug him into the hyperdrive.
An slightly longer article on patterned media was published in Technology Research News back in February 2001. The article goes into more detail about how the technology works and about some of the problems associated with development of it. Linkeroo
I'm amazed no one has mentioned Texas yet... it always comes up when size is the issue.
...can we fit Texas in one of these hard disks?
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I have dealt with enough IBM drives at work over the last two years to say confidently that they are flaming heaps of shit. We keep sending drives back, and they keep returning drives that go belly up. Now your telling me that the have made smaller technology in a market they claimed to have jumped ship in? I wouldn't touch anything "hard drive" related from IBM with katz' dick.
...since you'll probably wait a couple of hours for the thing to finish formatting. And imagine backing that sucker up--I know that many don't have backups of our primary drive. Better get a large-capacity medium to do that.
This new technique could produce 150 gigabits per square centimeter-- that's ~57,000 songs on an iPod or a terabyte on a laptop size hard drive!"
In related news, the RIAA was said to be pushing Congress to make sale of portable MP3 players with >1Tb capacity illegal, citing the widespread increase of piracy which would follow as evidence the devices couldn't possibly be used legally.
RIAA representatives pointed out at a press conference late this afternoon that an iPod capable of storing 57,000 songs would mean the purchase of 4750 CD's (Averaging 12 tracks/disc), coming out to a total of over $85,000 (At $18/disc). Clearly, representatives stated, no consumer would spend $85,000 on CD's, so the only reasonable conclusion to be drawn is that anyone interested in a portable MP3 player with >1Tb of capacity intend to pirate their music.
You article and thread for which you give a link is referring to the "Millipede" method which is a mechanical method of data storage.
The article this thread is about is a refinement of the magnetic method of data storage.
In all honesty, it sounds like one of those leet haxor people talking.
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I hope they aren't thinking of using the design that the example shows, it's an awfully inefficient use of space... Would be more effective to either make the particles pyramidic, that way you could have an even smaller point for magnetic fields and since it tapers at the tip, less chance for "crosstalk" from one particle to the next... Since we're talking something on a molecular scale, there would probably be less in the way of drag or heat buildup, whereas the cylindrical design is just begging for it...
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Does this mean the Library of Congress will instantly shrink to the size of a matchbox? Or is it that my laptop will turn into 5 libraries?
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2Mb? -> 111Gb
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2.5Mb? -> 139Gb
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3Mb? -> 167Gb
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3.5Mb? -> 195Gb
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4Mb? -> 223Gb
Is there some standard sized song that I don't know about?Andrew
...wearable server? LOC's never streamed better.
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"...57,000 songs on an iPod or a terabyte on a laptop size hard drive!"
...or about 28% of my porno collection. : )
Wetware has the best odds of meeting this spec.
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Egad. At $1/Gb tax courtesy of crazy french hard drive tax, it'd be far too expensive.
As for myself. . . Using pseudo-careful space management, I've never hit a wall with my trusty old 10 Gb drive. --And I regularly use my machine to do significant high-graphics print publishing jobs. Basically, computers have already hit the point where I no longer care how they advance, (just so long as they don't get any more 'user friendly'!). --PC's finally achieved a level of functionality about six years ago where they could do everything I needed quickly, easily at chump-change prices.
And that's the future, baby!
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Actually your grandmother is such a whore and gets around so much she's been on more people's computers than, well, people. In any case if she hasn't already used Linux she could probably figure it out in 2 or 3 lessons. She's used to learning lots of curious things so she'll be a natural.
As for overpriced, see above reference to your grandmother.
As for translucent-colored cock, would your grandmother like that?
-Fantastic Lad
The article states that the new technology will only use one magnetic grain per bit as opposed to the hundreds currently used.
I wonder if this means that once a cluster is overwritten, there is no ghosting effect that could allow the previous data to be retrieved. Once the data's gone, it's gone. A single magnetic grain can only be set one way!
So NSA or whoever won't be able to retrieve those docs you wiped just before they busted into your home/office....
In the light of this, this tech. it is probably not in the security industry's best interest!
So as well as getting space for all your music and porn, you don't have to worry about the data persisting on your drive when you want to remove it... all in all a good thing!
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It's not as though there isn't technology available yet to store all the data you could ever want stored quickly cheaply. Whatever became of holographic and fluorescent read/write CD technology?
They had working models of those machines, for crying out loud! They had manufacturers lined up to produce the various chemicals and parts to make it a go. I was reading emails from a fellow who was running a demo of a desk-top version nearly five years ago.
And let's face it; even the top of the line computer which even makes a brief ice-berg appearance in the standard news forums is ancient technology by any number of arbitrary standards.
Or NOT arbitrary, I mean.
--We're a bunch of consumer monkeys bouncing around waiting for the next big thing, but we'll only get it when the powers that be decide we're good and ready. --Wouldn't want people to have computers which didn't waste a billion otherwise useful hours per year. Oh no! Computers which don't suck up attention by the gallon might allow people to use their time NOT being distracted by all the insane shit going down around their ears these days! Between television, computers and game boxes, people are pretty much doped up right-smart-good! Opiate of the masses, indeed. Bah.
Terabyte this.
-Fantastic Lad
Are we going to get more of those glass platters?
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...is having a coronary over this already! You evil, evil, fileswappers, you!
Is this something to consider, or am I way off on this?
-Fantastic Lad
I've made myself a terabyte fileserver a while ago, everything's raid-5 so there's redundant data incase one of the 160gb drives crashes. I wouldn't want to use a single gb drive, imagine yourself collecting a lot of data and then that single drive crashes, all of that work would be for nothing. I got firewire installed on it so the speed is really fast for other computers.
Another thing is you have to be very tidy with your archive, otherwise such a big drive is going to be very messy.
Remember when 120 meg hard drives started to come out, and you said, "I my f***ing God, I'll never fill it up or really need all that space."...
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I found myself smiling at this post, and then I noticed the score +2: Insightful.
I thought it was just a joke. Was it? Don't know if I should laugh or cry at RIAA's foolishness if it's true...
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... until someone pokes an eye out.
Looks like a news like this pops up every month or two. But where is the real hardware? I quess all these new storage devices are just too expensive to manufacture when compared to old fashioned hard drives.
Somebody had to.
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Microsoft will still make applications that use up 97% of it, and people like the RIAA will prevent it from being used for anything practical.
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As these prices fall, we'll see the 1 TB version for $9.95 at Walmart.
Everyone will laugh about how they once had a 10 TB version. "Gee, you can't even store more than a couple of movies on that!"
Bob "The guy with some 5MB ST-506's still floating around" Johnston
Wouldn't all those MP3's be really heavy?
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from the pleasant-daydream dept.
You obviously don't work for the RIAA, do you?
57,000 songs * 3 minutes / song * 1 hour / 60 minutes * 1 day / 24 hours = 118+ days of continuous 24-hour music
(a) When, exactly, are you going to listen to all this? Not to mention collect it?
(b) Don't you think the critical part of the system might be something other than storage space? Like, say, the battery?
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I could easily consume 1.2 TB in a consumer device, but that would only hold the 200 DVDs I currently own. I think I'd need at least 2.5 to 3 TB to make it worth while and to include my CDs and a little future storage space. Of course, with HD now "live," I see a need for a HD server in the next 4 to 7 years which could easily surpass 4 to 5 TB in size.
I have no fear about "too much" storage. It's a shame these devices are mechanical, though, as the reliability and complexity tends to place a large fixed price (esp in a consumer device) before the first bit can be placed.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
Removeable media has existed for as long as computers have. Data you won't use all of the time can be put on a shelf or stored. There is a hierarchy from registers to cache to memory to hard-disk to removeable storage. Put things in the right place, do you really need to store 200 DVD movies on your computer (how many times do you watch each one). Heck, do you really need 200 DVD movies at all?
The higher you climb, the further you fall. But in this case, the more you store, the more you will lose.
Every time hard drive storage gets denser, we further space ourselves away from effective means to make archival backups of this huge amount of data we are carrying around. While your MP3 collection might be expendable, a week's worth of digital photos might not be. Or any other data you can imagine.
When is a cost-effective 1 TB DLT drive going to come to market?
Two terabytes gives you a thousand hours of video, ten thousand hours of audio. It becomes hard to find and use that many hours, even with the best indexing schemes.
Have you no memory?
Common sense is not so common.
They always tout new and wonderful cars and boats and airplanes and tools and anything else that sounds fantastic, with absolutely no distinction as to the degree of possibility.
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...clearing the path for future versions of Windows.
We use them?
I've had one 75GXP die on me (it took 11months so you might still have your fun ahead of you) and the one I got in replacment is dying as we speak (read errors). I was burning a woody ISO when I suddenly heard weird noises... well, that drive I've only had for three months and it was only manufactured some FOUR months ago according to the sticker!
All that "not enough cooling, bla, bla bla" is just pure bullshit, this is happening despite of anything you try to do to avoid it.
Belief is the currency of delusion.
Forget about the cost of the player (which will always be around C$500). The proposed new tariffs in MP3 players will add $21,000 to the cost!
Fundamental mistake being made here by the CPCC: You can't base a fixed tariff on something that is as dynamic as Moore's law.
If you don't want to repeat the past, stop living in it.
What they were saying was that a Terabyte hard drive could be made that is about the same size as your laptop hard drive. Most people wouldn't take advantage of that... but how about having 150 Gig on a square centi-meter. Now that would be awesome. My PDA could hold my entire MP3 collection. The possibilities are amazing... Imagine all of your electronic gadgets holding that much info. You could store entire encylopedias on pocket sized objects. But where it gets really excitting is the possibilities with servers... Ridiculous amounts of storage could replace entire business data mines. Clear out that room of hardrives and make way for that little box in the corner over there.
considering they own like half the patents on storage devices like hard drives i doubt they are going anywhere.
They are not doing the hard drives anymore. ie they will not have IBM hard drives for sale.
They will license their tech to other mfgs though.
all you need to do is become one of their customers.
It seems like about once a week there's a new story about how "researchers at [insert pretty much any company name here] have determined a way to fit [insert some ungodly large number here] bytes of data into an even smaller space". I think I've been seeing stories like this for long enough at this point that some of the early ones should have become real products by now. What gives? We're still using essentially the same format (albeit with increased areal density), and very few of these products seem to actually materialize. I'll get excited when I can find it on pricewatch.
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I thought that IBM had gotten out of the hard drive business? Are they going to build a new startup?
I suppose that there could be a bit of latency in the time-to-print cycle, and that might explain it. (Or perhaps it was General Electric that they sold their business to?)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
did you *have* to mod it down twice?
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More data in the same space means tighter track spacing, among other things. Tighter track spacing means more tracks overall on the disk. Now, let's imagine seek times stay the same - 9ms or so on decent drives. Well, in that 9ms we can find any byte on the disk, but unfortunately, that's a smaller fraction of the overall data. You have to seek over greater "distances" (explained in a moment) to deliver more data. Note that "distance" is not physical length the head must move, but rather the head must reach more bytes which may or may not be conveniently contiguous. This means that the greater the density, if the head technology stays the same, the throughput will stay the same. Now, today the very best way to beat this problem is to set up a RAID of one flavor or another. But only a very small percentage of computer users use RAIDs. Some kind of "ninety-percent" solution needs to be made for people who have one built-in HD that comes with their computer. Else, throughputs will stay the same while capacity increases greatly - not the best situation.
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With such extremely compact data, the thing I would most worry about is a scratch, such as bumping you TB-laptop while accessing: Instantly you have a couple GB of bad sectors! Oh, the pain. Just pray that it hits a clean spot...
Ah, but that tariff is very simple to get around. It only applies to mediums on which a musical work has never been recorded on. So all that the manufacturer has to do is put a sample song on the player. It doesn't even have to stay on the player, they can erase it right after.
what the hell, How is a sarcastic comment about everquest a troll? Offtopic, perhaps.
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I guess this means my shiny new DVD burner is already obsolete. Backing up my desktop to 4.7gb DVD-RW discs was decent, but now if I end up with a TB or two on my raid array, I'll have to find another backup system. And no, tapes don't cut it, nor does carrying an extra pair of hard drives around. Where's that 155tb optical disc we've been hearing about for the last ten years ?
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For those of you who are saying that a terrabyte is a rediculous amount of data storage: Forget not that a 10MB hard disk was once considered massive. Today, you couldn't hope to put most programs into that amount of space! Not to mention those of us who have a tendency to hoarde mp3's and DivX's (myself included). Hell, my current project is a machine that spec's an even terrabyte of disk space! It would be very convenient IMHO if i could simply drop in one hard drive and have it done. (As opposed to spending hours configuring 10 100GB drives in some type of RAID)
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