Your missing the point. MS destroyed netscape by releasing a free competiting product, using thier $$ from other sales. They took a market that did exist, that they didn't like, and made that market not exist, not by competing, but by entrapment.
If a cop gives me pot to bust me, thats illegal. If MS gives me IE to destroy netscape, thats illegal (but slightly diffrent, I couldn't think of a better example =p)
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Other than tabbed browsing, a superior rendering engine, faster page loads, http pipelining, popupkilling. Of course ignoring all of those features, and ignoring the recent slew of 'undocumented' security holes that were known to hackers for several months before the patch, I'm guessing IE is the better browser to use...
Who has offered facts/proof other than the US gov so far?
I haven't been closly watching for a while, but I don't believe I have seen any come from any other countries. I also never really heard anything that 150% convinced me come from our gvt. (Side note, I'm not dissenting so much, I just am saying it's possible they are flat lying)
(To the FBI, go away, I'm not going to do anything, thanks)
I'm currently living in Iowa, what happens is people grow up, get schooled in the (varies from 2nd best to 4th best depending on the year) school system here, head off to one of our awesome universities, then *Leave*.
Almost 90% of my graduating class headed out to college, and probably only 20% of them stayed in state once it was finished. It's a fairly boring state; John Deer tractor co., Alcoa [aluminum plant], Hostes, Hines(sp?), and the Des Moines insurance companies are the primary job creators statewide, I currently work for a Healtcare provider (they have an outstanding IT department) and when it's time to move on, I'm going to be looking out of state no questions asked.
I don't think anyone is seriously dissing Mozilla anymore (except the freaks at work who still think IE is the best thing ever created, I don't get them to be honest). 1.1a was even *better* than 1.0s, and I have a feeling it's just going to better.
The only dorks who are dissing Moz still either A: haven't tried it since 0.9.x or B: run so much spyware junk that everything but IE crashes 5 times a minuite.
Java was good, but sun totally fucked (sorry about the slang) it with licensing agreements. We don't even consider it a contender for anything anymore because we don't want to deal with sun.
If you are wondering what I'm talking about, the easiest example is to try and compile jdk13 from the ports in FreeBSD, you can't w/o agreeing to about 500 agreements and giving them plenty of marketoid info. That along was enough to make me recomend against using java in favor of a VC app on a NT server for our most recent project (And I'm an 'Open Source Weenie'). Java just leaves a sour taste in my mouth, and they left one in MS's also when they tried to talk licenses.
If the java specs were published, and the source was Free (Free as in speach, not free as in downloadable), Java would be alot better off than it is today, by shutting out MS they screwed themselfs, by bundling themselfs in legalese they turn everyone who has to deal with that junk off.
Actually citrix boxen aern't horribly expensive, and metaframe is already very usable. We handle roughly 2000 citrix seamless and 30 citrix desktop licenses, and it all runs off of 20 U2 racks. It's a fairly cost effective solution unless you "need" a local machine that does everything.
* Selecting text for copy/paste is difficult. I often have to select more than I want, and then trim it down.
huh?, this is one of the main complaints I have about IE, stoping a selection mid-word is almost impossible using it. Mozilla handles it much more gracefully.
Set your gestures to the middle mouse button and never worry about it again, it's simple really.
yes, this is the only argument that matters. It's silly to even argue in any other terms when speaking of a democracy.
Sure papers get destroyed over time, but purpously trying to make public data unreadable is illegal last time I checked. And only supporting M$ formats is a good way to destroy data on purpouse, unless your willing to let MS control your country
"The problem is that you are dealing with 50 million lines of code and everything depends on everything else,"
I'm prety sure that was established as bad form, oh, about 20 years before MS's birth.
They never cease to amaze me with thier forward thinking 'inovation' though... Apparently spagetti code must be 'the wave of the future'. I guess I must not be hip enough, my boss better hirry up and fire me!
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Your missing the point. MS destroyed netscape by releasing a free competiting product, using thier $$ from other sales. They took a market that did exist, that they didn't like, and made that market not exist, not by competing, but by entrapment.
If a cop gives me pot to bust me, thats illegal. If MS gives me IE to destroy netscape, thats illegal (but slightly diffrent, I couldn't think of a better example =p)
Other than tabbed browsing, a superior rendering engine, faster page loads, http pipelining, popupkilling. Of course ignoring all of those features, and ignoring the recent slew of 'undocumented' security holes that were known to hackers for several months before the patch, I'm guessing IE is the better browser to use...
If I tried to get canada to anex my property do you think they would?
would they bring the ntnl guard and AP/Reuters to stop me? ^.^
that might be fun
The vatican dosen't have guns!!
hah!
(actually now that I think about it.. they probably do.. thats mildly distrubing)
Who has offered facts/proof other than the US gov so far?
I haven't been closly watching for a while, but I don't believe I have seen any come from any other countries. I also never really heard anything that 150% convinced me come from our gvt. (Side note, I'm not dissenting so much, I just am saying it's possible they are flat lying)
(To the FBI, go away, I'm not going to do anything, thanks)
look at who wrote a significant percent of those algorithms you hold so dear.
Look at who discovered the VA belt of magnetism around the planet.
Ect Ect Ect, the list continues. Our school/academia is top notch, sorry to burst your bubble.
I will admit the state is kinda lame job wise, but until your 21 (or 26+ for dr.) it's one of the best places to live in the world.
I'm currently living in Iowa, what happens is people grow up, get schooled in the (varies from 2nd best to 4th best depending on the year) school system here, head off to one of our awesome universities, then *Leave*.
Almost 90% of my graduating class headed out to college, and probably only 20% of them stayed in state once it was finished. It's a fairly boring state; John Deer tractor co., Alcoa [aluminum plant], Hostes, Hines(sp?), and the Des Moines insurance companies are the primary job creators statewide, I currently work for a Healtcare provider (they have an outstanding IT department) and when it's time to move on, I'm going to be looking out of state no questions asked.
I don't think anyone is seriously dissing Mozilla anymore (except the freaks at work who still think IE is the best thing ever created, I don't get them to be honest). 1.1a was even *better* than 1.0s, and I have a feeling it's just going to better.
The only dorks who are dissing Moz still either A: haven't tried it since 0.9.x or B: run so much spyware junk that everything but IE crashes 5 times a minuite.
Java was good, but sun totally fucked (sorry about the slang) it with licensing agreements. We don't even consider it a contender for anything anymore because we don't want to deal with sun.
If you are wondering what I'm talking about, the easiest example is to try and compile jdk13 from the ports in FreeBSD, you can't w/o agreeing to about 500 agreements and giving them plenty of marketoid info. That along was enough to make me recomend against using java in favor of a VC app on a NT server for our most recent project (And I'm an 'Open Source Weenie'). Java just leaves a sour taste in my mouth, and they left one in MS's also when they tried to talk licenses.
If the java specs were published, and the source was Free (Free as in speach, not free as in downloadable), Java would be alot better off than it is today, by shutting out MS they screwed themselfs, by bundling themselfs in legalese they turn everyone who has to deal with that junk off.
Actually citrix boxen aern't horribly expensive, and metaframe is already very usable. We handle roughly 2000 citrix seamless and 30 citrix desktop licenses, and it all runs off of 20 U2 racks. It's a fairly cost effective solution unless you "need" a local machine that does everything.
They took thier cash and shut down all competition, until just recently when AOL/TW got a new competitor out to market.
How is that not anti-competative?
It still dosen't mean we should indiscriminatly polute. Modifiying the atmospheric makeup for profit isn't exactly the ideal solution.
Managing 3000 clueless users and those rules are there for a very good reason.
Generally the IT guys can install whatever they want, but they IT guys are generally capable, the average user thinks the klez virus is a new toy.
I've not noticed that, you should start a bug if there isn't one already.
It is definatly not the desired behavior.
* Selecting text for copy/paste is difficult. I often have to select more than I want, and then trim it down.
huh?, this is one of the main complaints I have about IE, stoping a selection mid-word is almost impossible using it. Mozilla handles it much more gracefully.
Set your gestures to the middle mouse button and never worry about it again, it's simple really.
I think that he i's annoyed by all of the people's who u'se's the apo'strophe a's if it's in'seperable from the letter 's
yes, this is the only argument that matters. It's silly to even argue in any other terms when speaking of a democracy.
Sure papers get destroyed over time, but purpously trying to make public data unreadable is illegal last time I checked. And only supporting M$ formats is a good way to destroy data on purpouse, unless your willing to let MS control your country
We use dept email, works well enough.
So I think we're all clear on how murray feels about this.
damn't, is it that hard to say "oops sorry"
hahahaha
damnit. freudian slip
just grab src-all ports-all and doc-all daily' it's easier that way
Unfortunatly Mozilla totally blows Internet Exploited out of the water in usability and rendering capabilities. You should try it.
I can't stand using that excuse for a web browser that is IE since 0.9.9 release or so.
"The problem is that you are dealing with 50 million lines of code and everything depends on everything else,"
I'm prety sure that was established as bad form, oh, about 20 years before MS's birth.
They never cease to amaze me with thier forward thinking 'inovation' though... Apparently spagetti code must be 'the wave of the future'. I guess I must not be hip enough, my boss better hirry up and fire me!
Not really, 2MB is the reliable applicable range for most wireless in my experiences.
It does go faster, but not if you roam alot and get weak signals ect. In most situations thats more than plentiful anyway.
why don't you run an OS that supports 'realtime' tasks, then you can probably leave all your low priority stuff running and you won't drop any frames.