$699 is probably less than you pay your legal department for an hour of sitting around on retainer. Thus, it starts making more sense to just pay SCO this one time to get them to shut up and go away.
Someone correct me if I'm mistaken here, but isn't it 699 per Server ?
if OpenOffice and MSOffice both were songs, OpenOffice would probably have to pay some kind of fee to MSOffice for using their intellectual property and we'd all consider that normal...
Not necessarily... Aern't there "thresholds" for similiarities as you're describing? Plenty of songs share similiar drum beats, or bass tracks, but the overall song ends up being different.
Like the difference in one author using "It was a dark and stormy night.." and another using "It was a gloomy and inclimate evening".. both say the same thing, but in entirely different ways.
I haven't been home in a good 5 yrs.. but.. (Any fellow Vt'ers here?)
Address: 1000 River Street
City: Essex Junction
StateProv: VT
PostalCode: 05452
Isn't that the address for IBM's main plant in Essex? I dont think there's anything but IBM on river road in Essex.
Nice.. How long before they take a page from the porn industry, and we have movE bots flooding us with "movie spam" about how good some movie is.
Consider it, they're down to blaming the audience now..
Ah yes.. soon your IM handle will have to be private, visiting a public chat forum will undoubtly lead to IM spam...I wish I didn't have such a pessimistic outlook on this, but I think you can put a clock to this one, if it's not already happening.
Realistically, most of the people they are counting do inbound service and wouldn't be effected anyway.
How do you figure? Often, a call center is being contracted by another company to perform both inbound outbound services. Perhaps it's only my experience, but from what I've seen around here, these are mostly outbound services. Often the same people selling you 1 product are the same people taking the inbound calls for the Ronco steaks knives.
If you take away the outbound servicing, you are indeed putting a significant number of those people out of a job. I will agree, tho, that 2 million is waaaay high.
Has anyone else noticed a change in tactics by the telemarketers? Myself, I've noticed the salesmen call under the guise of "we're doing a survey of XXX in the area". Makes me wonder what sort of loophole they've found.. does answering the questions constitute a business relationship?
I couldn't agree more. At the IT shop where I work, we haven't seen a raise in 2 yrs, & last year was a 10% cut. However the owner continues to make his millions through "consulting fees", while awarding his top level management with huge bonuses. (I stay, because IT jobs are tight here and I already have 10+ yrs that I just dont want to throw away.)
Moving jobs overseas only means more money for the top brass, the consumer wont see one dime of it. Boards of directors will justify lower operating costs as justifications to (continue) using their companies as their personal piggie banks.
450k jobs being moved overseas.. Think about that, that's close to the entire population of a small new england state.
.. To fix a broken and easily exploitable protocol? Fixing SMTP seems like the most logical way to keep the spammers at bay. How is fixing SPAM through legislation any different than the RIAA ignoring their own problems? It seems to me that the community seems to be turning a blind eye toward the SMTP problem..
This is an arms race, in the technology sense, I certainly don't believe the battle will be won whinning in your local/state/federal court room. The IT community needs to rise above the fray with an open solution. (IPv6?). I'm not saying this is easy.. I'm merely saying the courts just doesn't strike me as the proper battle ground.
I don't think the issue of copyrights will become an election decider because the media have a vested interest in promoting copyright. It will never become an election issue. People like us may be canaries in the mine shaft that collapses. Yippie
Why not make it an issue? How many slashdot readers are there? Enough to get the politicians on a federal level to notice? If we all yell loud enough, they're bound to hear us. We may be the canaries in the collapsing mine shaft, but it's the politicians listening to those who complain the loudest (The RIAA, et al), who are pouring cement down the escape route.
Good Question. That's why the serious databases have both mailing and physical addresses.
If you're looking for 800 k/yr decision makers, you're more than likely looking for good verifable, mailable information. Not random PO boxes. The whole point (imho) of direct marketing is to narrow your target audience so you don't snail-mail spam to begin with.
Anyone else? I Lie. Sometimes I'm a yak herder with a yearly income of ~$6000, other times I'm a "Decision Maker" with a yearly income of $800k+.
As someone who used to work in database aggregation with this sort of data. I can tell you that we corrollated income as a function of your home value. (Which is freely available right down at your local county court house in most states).
You typically don't have 800k/yr decision makers living in 12k/yr apartments. There's a process in compilation here, they don't just enter this into a database and sell it.
Besides, I'll guess that at least one reason why France/Germany/Russia are against war is that they know what occupation is. Their *population* (not just military) know what war looks like.
From here, it looks like the coalition of the willing just ENDED 30 yrs of occupation by a ruthless dictator.
It's hardly true that you need a war on your own soil to witness the horrors and atrocities. It's in your face 24 hrs a day on almost every news channel.
While you're partially right, that the US & Eurpoe are somewhat at fault for the situations that developed in Afghanistan, & Iraq.. You don't exactly see their neighbors getting invovled in keeping the reigion stable. It looks from here, like most of these countries (some, our own allies) would rather turn a blind eye, than interrupt the cash flows into their wallets.
If you had turned on even one news channel before this police action started, you would've seen that a good portion of the US population was actually anti-war ; So it's hardly fair to in effect refer to the US population as war-hungry.
You're missing the point, the individual doesn't sue, it's the state that fines the spammer for the violation. That's why the parallels are dawn to the do-not-call list.
You register, and simply report the violations to the proper state office. If you've been on the list long enough to make the latest release to the marketing companies, (its not instant), the spammer is fined.
The state of Florida is a great example, violations of their donotcall list constitude 10K fines (per violation I believe).
I can't decide what the RIAA and MPAA are up to. Are they just looking for exposure? Are they trying to generate some cash?
IANAL, but if I'd have to guess, I'd say it's the later.. They may not be even concerned about cash directly! Can any of our accounting types tell us how winning a huge lawsuit looks on their books at the end of the quarter?
Even if they only paid court costs, couldn't they at least show it on the books as recouping their so called losses due to piracy?
(And If they don't see a dime, do they get a tax credit?)
.. As I remind many of my friends during the waning friday evening hours at the local brew-pub, that even here, in Nebraska... "Whaling" is illegal... (and so isn't stealing another man's "moped"!)
The Constitution is quite clear on the matter. It says copyrights are to be granted for "limited times." I don't know any definition of "limited" that would mean 75 years plus a 20-year extension plus the chance of getting another extension later. The whole issue was argued three centuries ago, and it was established as a principle of democracy that, when the author is dead, his work becomes the property of all.
Someone should send a copy of the constitution to our congressmen and senators. It's amazing that things like the Bono extension actually passed.
Anyone else starting to get that feeling that their vote, (and their right for that matter), is a waste when it comes to matters of the fed?
It reminds me of the way my Dad used to change the rules of cribbage to benefit his score counting. It didn't matter that the ruleback said he couldn't ( or shouldn't).
I actually asked the same question recentlt at work!
Having just come off a project in which we ported all of our db code from 32 bit to 64bit, (Solairs CC 6.0u2) the conversion was actually a bit tricky, and there were a few nuances we had to deal with in order to get completely functional models. (Bit-packing, etc, INTs are 4 wide rather than 2, etc.).
Several overloaded classes also need to be created to allow portability between the 32bit and 64bit versions, and several of our tools needed upgrading as well.
There are most likely several hooks that need to be "re-Type(defed)" in order to function i>properly under the OS, would be my ever so humble opinion.
I think a practical application might be inside of automobiles.(According to the FAQ, they already track some automobile parts this way).
Consider what a series of cheap readers deployed along the highway or road systems might accomplish for law enforcement. They could deduce speed, direction, and god knows what else your car is willing to tell them all from a remote location.
To put it simply, it doesn't matter how many people believe this. What matters is, how many of the cited percentages are active voters, and for that matter, are willing to vote for someone else because of their Senator's stance on the issue.
We can cite polls and percentages all day, but until more people start excercising the right to vote, Hollings stance on the issue wont change.
I may be slightly off here, but I believe less than half the eligible population voted in the last presidential election.
After reading the article, I don't see where it was addressed that the plantiff ever actually asked them to make their website compliant with his reader.
The way it reads from here, he just decided to be offended and sue.(Or did I miss something entirely?)
Furthermore, what exactly wasn't compliant, and why didn't he address it with the company that makes his reader?
I find it hard to believe that Southwest balked at implementing a few lines of code.
Hey.. The Southwest site isn't lynx friendly either. Maybe lynx users should sue.
The collapse of the common good is taking place all around us through ridiculous litigation.
Slashdot Mirror
"I hate to torpedo part of a good story."
.. Talk about scraping bottom...
Sure, but anyone else getting the sinking feeling about the navy's networks? (rimshot)
$699 is probably less than you pay your legal department for an hour of sitting around on retainer. Thus, it starts making more sense to just pay SCO this one time to get them to shut up and go away.
Someone correct me if I'm mistaken here, but isn't it 699 per Server ?
Those kinds of costs can stack up quickly too.
Our databases and applications have already been scrubbed against the FTC DNC list here.
Regardless of the court ruling, word has come down from management to continue forward and not rollback the some 26 million households we suppressed.
So I guess not even the direct marketers believe this ruling will stand.
if OpenOffice and MSOffice both were songs, OpenOffice would probably have to pay some kind of fee to MSOffice for using their intellectual property and we'd all consider that normal...
Not necessarily... Aern't there "thresholds" for similiarities as you're describing? Plenty of songs share similiar drum beats, or bass tracks, but the overall song ends up being different.
Like the difference in one author using "It was a dark and stormy night.." and another using "It was a gloomy and inclimate evening".. both say the same thing, but in entirely different ways.
I haven't been home in a good 5 yrs.. but.. (Any fellow Vt'ers here?) Address: 1000 River Street City: Essex Junction StateProv: VT PostalCode: 05452 Isn't that the address for IBM's main plant in Essex? I dont think there's anything but IBM on river road in Essex.
Nice.. How long before they take a page from the porn industry, and we have movE bots flooding us with "movie spam" about how good some movie is.
Consider it, they're down to blaming the audience now..
Ah yes.. soon your IM handle will have to be private, visiting a public chat forum will undoubtly lead to IM spam...I wish I didn't have such a pessimistic outlook on this, but I think you can put a clock to this one, if it's not already happening.
Realistically, most of the people they are counting do inbound service and wouldn't be effected anyway.
How do you figure? Often, a call center is being contracted by another company to perform both inbound outbound services. Perhaps it's only my experience, but from what I've seen around here, these are mostly outbound services. Often the same people selling you 1 product are the same people taking the inbound calls for the Ronco steaks knives.
If you take away the outbound servicing, you are indeed putting a significant number of those people out of a job. I will agree, tho, that 2 million is waaaay high.
Has anyone else noticed a change in tactics by the telemarketers? Myself, I've noticed the salesmen call under the guise of "we're doing a survey of XXX in the area". Makes me wonder what sort of loophole they've found.. does answering the questions constitute a business relationship?
I couldn't agree more. At the IT shop where I work, we haven't seen a raise in 2 yrs, & last year was a 10% cut. However the owner continues to make his millions through "consulting fees", while awarding his top level management with huge bonuses. (I stay, because IT jobs are tight here and I already have 10+ yrs that I just dont want to throw away.)
Moving jobs overseas only means more money for the top brass, the consumer wont see one dime of it. Boards of directors will justify lower operating costs as justifications to (continue) using their companies as their personal piggie banks.
450k jobs being moved overseas.. Think about that, that's close to the entire population of a small new england state.
.. To fix a broken and easily exploitable protocol? Fixing SMTP seems like the most logical way to keep the spammers at bay. How is fixing SPAM through legislation any different than the RIAA ignoring their own problems? It seems to me that the community seems to be turning a blind eye toward the SMTP problem..
This is an arms race, in the technology sense, I certainly don't believe the battle will be won whinning in your local/state/federal court room. The IT community needs to rise above the fray with an open solution. (IPv6?). I'm not saying this is easy.. I'm merely saying the courts just doesn't strike me as the proper battle ground.
I don't think the issue of copyrights will become an election decider because the media have a vested interest in promoting copyright. It will never become an election issue. People like us may be canaries in the mine shaft that collapses. Yippie
Why not make it an issue? How many slashdot readers are there? Enough to get the politicians on a federal level to notice? If we all yell loud enough, they're bound to hear us. We may be the canaries in the collapsing mine shaft, but it's the politicians listening to those who complain the loudest (The RIAA, et al), who are pouring cement down the escape route.
I believe those calling under the guise of a charity or "not for profit" group will still be exempt.
So what's my income based on my $59/year PO Box?
Good Question. That's why the serious databases have both mailing and physical addresses.
If you're looking for 800 k/yr decision makers, you're more than likely looking for good verifable, mailable information. Not random PO boxes. The whole point (imho) of direct marketing is to narrow your target audience so you don't snail-mail spam to begin with.
Anyone else? I Lie. Sometimes I'm a yak herder with a yearly income of ~$6000, other times I'm a "Decision Maker" with a yearly income of $800k+.
As someone who used to work in database aggregation with this sort of data. I can tell you that we corrollated income as a function of your home value. (Which is freely available right down at your local county court house in most states).
You typically don't have 800k/yr decision makers living in 12k/yr apartments. There's a process in compilation here, they don't just enter this into a database and sell it.
Besides, I'll guess that at least one reason why France/Germany/Russia are against war is that they know what occupation is. Their *population* (not just military) know what war looks like.
From here, it looks like the coalition of the willing just ENDED 30 yrs of occupation by a ruthless dictator.
It's hardly true that you need a war on your own soil to witness the horrors and atrocities. It's in your face 24 hrs a day on almost every news channel.
While you're partially right, that the US & Eurpoe are somewhat at fault for the situations that developed in Afghanistan, & Iraq.. You don't exactly see their neighbors getting invovled in keeping the reigion stable. It looks from here, like most of these countries (some, our own allies) would rather turn a blind eye, than interrupt the cash flows into their wallets.
If you had turned on even one news channel before this police action started, you would've seen that a good portion of the US population was actually anti-war ; So it's hardly fair to in effect refer to the US population as war-hungry.
No, that's not that case at all.
Only seclections were shown, because the video was taken by Iraqi State TV and paraded around the media in clear violation of the Geneva Convention.
My question is why are there no "big names" out there pounding on congress for software patent reform?
Probably because they're just as guilty of an equal number of ludicrous patents themselves!
Is "Pot, Kettle, -- Black" considered a valid legal defense?
You're missing the point, the individual doesn't sue, it's the state that fines the spammer for the violation. That's why the parallels are dawn to the do-not-call list.
.
You register, and simply report the violations to the proper state office. If you've been on the list long enough to make the latest release to the marketing companies, (its not instant), the spammer is fined.
The state of Florida is a great example, violations of their donotcall list constitude 10K fines (per violation I believe)
I can't decide what the RIAA and MPAA are up to. Are they just looking for exposure? Are they trying to generate some cash?
IANAL, but if I'd have to guess, I'd say it's the later.. They may not be even concerned about cash directly! Can any of our accounting types tell us how winning a huge lawsuit looks on their books at the end of the quarter?
Even if they only paid court costs, couldn't they at least show it on the books as recouping their so called losses due to piracy?
(And If they don't see a dime, do they get a tax credit?)
It is illegal to fish for whales on Sunday
.. As I remind many of my friends during the waning friday evening hours at the local brew-pub, that even here, in Nebraska... "Whaling" is illegal... (and so isn't stealing another man's "moped"!)
ugh.. that should be rulebook
tgif
From the articule..
The Constitution is quite clear on the matter. It says copyrights are to be granted for "limited times." I don't know any definition of "limited" that would mean 75 years plus a 20-year extension plus the chance of getting another extension later. The whole issue was argued three centuries ago, and it was established as a principle of democracy that, when the author is dead, his work becomes the property of all.
Someone should send a copy of the constitution to our congressmen and senators. It's amazing that things like the Bono extension actually passed.
Anyone else starting to get that feeling that their vote, (and their right for that matter), is a waste when it comes to matters of the fed?
It reminds me of the way my Dad used to change the rules of cribbage to benefit his score counting. It didn't matter that the ruleback said he couldn't ( or shouldn't).
I actually asked the same question recentlt at work!
Having just come off a project in which we ported all of our db code from 32 bit to 64bit, (Solairs CC 6.0u2) the conversion was actually a bit tricky, and there were a few nuances we had to deal with in order to get completely functional models. (Bit-packing, etc, INTs are 4 wide rather than 2, etc.).
Several overloaded classes also need to be created to allow portability between the 32bit and 64bit versions, and several of our tools needed upgrading as well.
There are most likely several hooks that need to be "re-Type(defed)" in order to function i>properly under the OS, would be my ever so humble opinion.
I think a practical application might be inside of automobiles.(According to the FAQ, they already track some automobile parts this way).
Consider what a series of cheap readers deployed along the highway or road systems might accomplish for law enforcement. They could deduce speed, direction, and god knows what else your car is willing to tell them all from a remote location.
Goodness...
To put it simply, it doesn't matter how many people believe this. What matters is, how many of the cited percentages are active voters, and for that matter, are willing to vote for someone else because of their Senator's stance on the issue.
We can cite polls and percentages all day, but until more people start excercising the right to vote, Hollings stance on the issue wont change.
I may be slightly off here, but I believe less than half the eligible population voted in the last presidential election.
After reading the article, I don't see where it was addressed that the plantiff ever actually asked them to make their website compliant with his reader.
The way it reads from here, he just decided to be offended and sue.(Or did I miss something entirely?)
Furthermore, what exactly wasn't compliant, and why didn't he address it with the company that makes his reader?
I find it hard to believe that Southwest balked at implementing a few lines of code.
Hey.. The Southwest site isn't lynx friendly either. Maybe lynx users should sue.
The collapse of the common good is taking place all around us through ridiculous litigation.