The seemingly simple interfaces we have today lead less computer litterate people
That would be "literate" not "litterate".
I quote myself: Once that is said I am doomed to make at least one spelling og grammatical error, but the three/their confusion is getting to my nerves. I'm sorry.
That aside, why don't you join the "on topic" discussion? Oh, I know: because you'd rather stay an AC... why do I even care...
I will consider myself VERY lucky then, because I can honestly say that all the (3) companies I have worked as a sysadmin for have let me have given me veto rights on any software that should go on our production servers:)
There are some 30ish users on the system I run. I get very few bounces to postmaster. My abuse on the other hand is sent to/dev/null but my postmaster is luckily kept relatively safe from harm... I apply my baynesian (sp?) filters to my postmaster mailbox, tho. That helps a lot.
People who just want there computer to do what they want are simply consumers.
I hate to be like this, but it's "their", not "there". Once that is said I am doomed to make at least one spelling og grammatical error, but the three/their confusion is getting to my nerves. I'm sorry.
All most people want is:
a: web forms filled automatically and easy. every time after set up.
b: easy communication with other people
What do you base this on? My personal experience is quite different. Many of my friends are computer-litterate, and thus want much more from their (not there) computers. It would seem that the goals you state are your own and you are simply generalizing based on your own desires.
People, as a whole, do not expect a constent malious attempt on there person or property. Nor should they have to.
People do not have to be careful in a world where no bad people live. Sadly some bad people live in our world. We teach our kids to be vary of strangers offering them candy. We should teach our kids to be vary of strange software offering then "candy".
I sincerely believe that all this "userfriendlyness" (is that a word?) in computers is for the worse. If we had left computers in a less userfriendly state and in stead made specialized devices for specific tasks, such as a "play with your games" device, and a "communicate with other people" device we would not see so many people fscking up their (not there) systems. Computers as we know them are simply too complex for the average person. The seemingly simple interfaces we have today lead less computer litterate people to believe that they stand a chance of understanding how their (not there) computers work.
Oh yes it is. He is responsible for it being in place. If we make life bad for idiot MCSE admins they just might get a clue and choose products that do not spam. Getting him in trouble is one way to voice our opinion and try to lessen the market share of bad products. And, it's a better way than MyDoom
funny thing is, there was no tag on this one. I am aware enough not to touch any of those 'tagged' links. But they probably logged my IP or something...
btw. that/cgi-bin/ directory wouldn't let me in... most likely some script logged my access attempt (marking addresses on my ip as spammable) and rejected me.
I got one of those too... one second after visiting www.pussy-hunter.net/cgi-bin/ I got a second mail saying: "Me again. You can contact me at JacobRiley_2@hotmail.com". I'm pretty sure that is a good sign that my e-mail address is now logged and will be spammed to death in the near future... It's really sad, I liked that address.
As seen before microsoft does not like people who publish exploits. So I have made an off-US mirror in a country where releasing exploits to the public is still legal...
You want dynamic pages? Have the browser call a C++ or Java program binary directly and screw all this other crap...JavaScript, Java applets, Flash,
Perl scripts, Jesus, what a nightmare...
You mean like ActiveX? That way I can make a program that does anything I want (including destroying all your documents and software and doing my best to take down your hardware), because as long as I'm executing intel assembler instructions I can always break out of any attempted sandbox. ActiveX programs are precompiled programs that your browser happily downloads and executes for you. I LIKE the fact that java applets are sandboxed. I LIKE the fact that javascript is limited in what it can do. But you want web page developers to be able to excute any code they want on your computer?!?
Oh yes, you can peek into the source code and they can't. But how many computer users actually care about the source code?
I care. Also, I long ago stopped trying to convert people who don't care. Because, as you say, the free choice has nothing to offer people who do not care.
Firstly, IANAL, and Danish, so excuse my poor translation of danish law.
The danish copyright law can be found here. I could not find an english version of it but babelfish MIGHT help you out (not very likely as this is heavy legaleese - but it might be worth a try). It states in chapter 6A 75B that it is illegal to "sell, or posses with commercial intent, any means which only purpose is to easy illegal removal or circumvention of technical devices designed to protect a software program." BUT 75 C states that "[the above] does not apply to works and other creations et.al. which by contractual means are made available to the public in such a way, that the public has access to them on an individually chosen place and time."
Excuse the poor english above - I'm trying to translate heavy legaleese.
75C lets me release that circumvents copyright protection as long as I release it to the general public for them to aquire when they see fit - i.e. for free.
I am not away of any DMCA treaty affecting EU, but I do know that Danish laws still supeceede EU laws in this matter. Hence, hosting the software made by this anonymous australian group is not illegal here.
Luckily the DMCA does not exist outside the US, and I will gladly host information on how to install linux on an x-box. That's not illegal here (Denmark).
hehe twice now I've been trying to do a good post and different family members want my taxi services !
You succeeded well enough in writing a good post this time:)
And now that I have the attention of a beta tester: how does the skill system work exactly? is it learning by doing (as in if you take a hammer and beat a rock for 5 hours then you grow strong) or xp based or something in between?
I have my personal preferences, but hopefully we won't be seeing a lot of macroing people mining to gain strength in this game...
It seems (taken from a comment from one of the screenshots), that when you die you'll have to run to your stuff in undies... is this true? Doesn't this mean that you have a very real chance of loosing everything you own if you die?
I would hate using several weeks to obtain a new gun only to die in battle and be ownzed every time I try to get it back...
I'm not sure if you are funny, insightful, or both in a tragic way... a lot of times OSS people make competing products in stead of helping each other to achieve a more complete product. This is both good and bad. We all know that competition is good, also in the OSS market, but coorporation would do a lot of good in making more complete products in stead of just many products. This goes for usability groups as well...
I never fail to be baffled at the degree of inertia in the IT world. I sometimes thing every computer person thinks technology should be frozen at whatever point they got tired of learning new stuff. "File name extensions and symbolic links were good enough for me lad!" It's a weird attitude.
I tend to disagree with you. I, myself am a software developer, and I take offence from that statement. I earn my living by innovating (or by streamlining other people's innovations) - not by telling people that what was good enough for me in the olden days is good enough for them.
I do try to tell people to learn how things worked before so they may learn from the past, so they may get better knowledge of how computers work an better understanding of why the interfaces we are using today work as they do. If you know that Windows builds upon DOS (please don't nitpick at this time - i'm trying to make a point), then they will have some idea of the historical baggage that we are carrying around. Filename extensions holding file types is one of those things. If we could get rid of that we would be better off. If you (like me) dislike filename extensions then remove them and use tools like `file' which will detect the file type by reading the contents. If you dislike using a command line then Nautilus will do the same thing for you in a more Explorer-like fasion.
We are not inert. We do not oppose innovation. It's simply because we were taught the right way to build things in school and then we see MS doing things the wrong way to accomplish things that could have been accomplished the right way. We are not opposing innovation, we are opposing doing things the wrong way.
Now, why don't you buy a content management system to show that metadata you seem to have a need for? It most likely will be cheaper than the next version of windows... or did this need for meta data appear along with MS's decision to support meta data? If that is the case: are you sure that it isn't just bloat in exactly the same way as MS Word is bloated with features that most of it's users never use?
`stat' will fetch filename, size, acccess/change times of a file and `file' will fetch the file type. I can retrieve meta data just fine. As for manipulating metadata, what would you want to manipulate? And what other meta data do you want? (I'm actually asking - not trolling here)
Just about every windows app uses filename extensions to identify file type. Unless MS is going to drop backward compatibilty with all those applications then WinFS will still have metadata in the filename (which would suck).
As far as distribution support, that's like trying to hit a dozen different moving targets all at the same time. Better to settle on a common target and leave it to the administrator to take care of his/her distro's idiosyncracies.
All the different distros are hard to comply with all at once, but that is a large part of what ximian do: package gnome (and some 3rd party software) in a nice and sleek bundle. That should include packaging it for all major distributions (that includes debian).
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The seemingly simple interfaces we have today lead less computer litterate people That would be "literate" not "litterate".
I quote myself: Once that is said I am doomed to make at least one spelling og grammatical error, but the three/their confusion is getting to my nerves. I'm sorry.
That aside, why don't you join the "on topic" discussion? Oh, I know: because you'd rather stay an AC... why do I even care...
I will consider myself VERY lucky then, because I can honestly say that all the (3) companies I have worked as a sysadmin for have let me have given me veto rights on any software that should go on our production servers :)
There are some 30ish users on the system I run. I get very few bounces to postmaster. My abuse on the other hand is sent to /dev/null but my postmaster is luckily kept relatively safe from harm... I apply my baynesian (sp?) filters to my postmaster mailbox, tho. That helps a lot.
I am seriously considering this approach. What do you do when you bump into an actual mac user? confess?
People who just want there computer to do what they want are simply consumers.
I hate to be like this, but it's "their", not "there". Once that is said I am doomed to make at least one spelling og grammatical error, but the three/their confusion is getting to my nerves. I'm sorry.
All most people want is:
a: web forms filled automatically and easy. every time after set up.
b: easy communication with other people
What do you base this on? My personal experience is quite different. Many of my friends are computer-litterate, and thus want much more from their (not there) computers. It would seem that the goals you state are your own and you are simply generalizing based on your own desires.
People, as a whole, do not expect a constent malious attempt on there person or property. Nor should they have to.
People do not have to be careful in a world where no bad people live. Sadly some bad people live in our world. We teach our kids to be vary of strangers offering them candy. We should teach our kids to be vary of strange software offering then "candy".
I sincerely believe that all this "userfriendlyness" (is that a word?) in computers is for the worse. If we had left computers in a less userfriendly state and in stead made specialized devices for specific tasks, such as a "play with your games" device, and a "communicate with other people" device we would not see so many people fscking up their (not there) systems. Computers as we know them are simply too complex for the average person. The seemingly simple interfaces we have today lead less computer litterate people to believe that they stand a chance of understanding how their (not there) computers work.
Oh yes it is. He is responsible for it being in place. If we make life bad for idiot MCSE admins they just might get a clue and choose products that do not spam. Getting him in trouble is one way to voice our opinion and try to lessen the market share of bad products. And, it's a better way than MyDoom
I am very much in agreement, bouncing to postmaster@ would be much more useful.
funny thing is, there was no tag on this one. I am aware enough not to touch any of those 'tagged' links. But they probably logged my IP or something... btw. that /cgi-bin/ directory wouldn't let me in... most likely some script logged my access attempt (marking addresses on my ip as spammable) and rejected me.
I got one of those too... one second after visiting www.pussy-hunter.net/cgi-bin/ I got a second mail saying: "Me again. You can contact me at JacobRiley_2@hotmail.com". I'm pretty sure that is a good sign that my e-mail address is now logged and will be spammed to death in the near future... It's really sad, I liked that address.
As seen before microsoft does not like people who publish exploits. So I have made an off-US mirror in a country where releasing exploits to the public is still legal...
You want dynamic pages? Have the browser call a C++ or Java program binary directly and screw all this other crap...JavaScript, Java applets, Flash, Perl scripts, Jesus, what a nightmare...
You mean like ActiveX? That way I can make a program that does anything I want (including destroying all your documents and software and doing my best to take down your hardware), because as long as I'm executing intel assembler instructions I can always break out of any attempted sandbox. ActiveX programs are precompiled programs that your browser happily downloads and executes for you. I LIKE the fact that java applets are sandboxed. I LIKE the fact that javascript is limited in what it can do. But you want web page developers to be able to excute any code they want on your computer?!?
Oh yes, you can peek into the source code and they can't. But how many computer users actually care about the source code?
I care. Also, I long ago stopped trying to convert people who don't care. Because, as you say, the free choice has nothing to offer people who do not care.
uhm, I don't own an xbox, I didn't agree to any EULA. Do MS actually LICENSE the xbox to people rather than sell it to them?
Firstly, IANAL, and Danish, so excuse my poor translation of danish law.
The danish copyright law can be found here. I could not find an english version of it but babelfish MIGHT help you out (not very likely as this is heavy legaleese - but it might be worth a try). It states in chapter 6A 75B that it is illegal to "sell, or posses with commercial intent, any means which only purpose is to easy illegal removal or circumvention of technical devices designed to protect a software program." BUT 75 C states that "[the above] does not apply to works and other creations et.al. which by contractual means are made available to the public in such a way, that the public has access to them on an individually chosen place and time."
Excuse the poor english above - I'm trying to translate heavy legaleese.
75C lets me release that circumvents copyright protection as long as I release it to the general public for them to aquire when they see fit - i.e. for free.
I am not away of any DMCA treaty affecting EU, but I do know that Danish laws still supeceede EU laws in this matter. Hence, hosting the software made by this anonymous australian group is not illegal here.
damn, if I hadn't posted here yet, you would have got some of my mod points.
Luckily the DMCA does not exist outside the US, and I will gladly host information on how to install linux on an x-box. That's not illegal here (Denmark).
hehe twice now I've been trying to do a good post and different family members want my taxi services !
You succeeded well enough in writing a good post this time :)
And now that I have the attention of a beta tester: how does the skill system work exactly? is it learning by doing (as in if you take a hammer and beat a rock for 5 hours then you grow strong) or xp based or something in between?
I have my personal preferences, but hopefully we won't be seeing a lot of macroing people mining to gain strength in this game...
It seems (taken from a comment from one of the screenshots), that when you die you'll have to run to your stuff in undies... is this true? Doesn't this mean that you have a very real chance of loosing everything you own if you die?
I would hate using several weeks to obtain a new gun only to die in battle and be ownzed every time I try to get it back...
sorry, Ctrl-Esc-M did nothing for me (in Windows XP), what was it supposed to do?
explain to me how that is going to make me (and a gazillion other people) stop using google in exactly the same way as I am using google now?
I'm not sure if you are funny, insightful, or both in a tragic way... a lot of times OSS people make competing products in stead of helping each other to achieve a more complete product. This is both good and bad. We all know that competition is good, also in the OSS market, but coorporation would do a lot of good in making more complete products in stead of just many products. This goes for usability groups as well...
I never fail to be baffled at the degree of inertia in the IT world. I sometimes thing every computer person thinks technology should be frozen at whatever point they got tired of learning new stuff. "File name extensions and symbolic links were good enough for me lad!" It's a weird attitude.
I tend to disagree with you. I, myself am a software developer, and I take offence from that statement. I earn my living by innovating (or by streamlining other people's innovations) - not by telling people that what was good enough for me in the olden days is good enough for them.
I do try to tell people to learn how things worked before so they may learn from the past, so they may get better knowledge of how computers work an better understanding of why the interfaces we are using today work as they do. If you know that Windows builds upon DOS (please don't nitpick at this time - i'm trying to make a point), then they will have some idea of the historical baggage that we are carrying around. Filename extensions holding file types is one of those things. If we could get rid of that we would be better off. If you (like me) dislike filename extensions then remove them and use tools like `file' which will detect the file type by reading the contents. If you dislike using a command line then Nautilus will do the same thing for you in a more Explorer-like fasion.
We are not inert. We do not oppose innovation. It's simply because we were taught the right way to build things in school and then we see MS doing things the wrong way to accomplish things that could have been accomplished the right way. We are not opposing innovation, we are opposing doing things the wrong way.
Now, why don't you buy a content management system to show that metadata you seem to have a need for? It most likely will be cheaper than the next version of windows... or did this need for meta data appear along with MS's decision to support meta data? If that is the case: are you sure that it isn't just bloat in exactly the same way as MS Word is bloated with features that most of it's users never use?
`stat' will fetch filename, size, acccess/change times of a file and `file' will fetch the file type. I can retrieve meta data just fine. As for manipulating metadata, what would you want to manipulate? And what other meta data do you want? (I'm actually asking - not trolling here)
Just about every windows app uses filename extensions to identify file type. Unless MS is going to drop backward compatibilty with all those applications then WinFS will still have metadata in the filename (which would suck).
All the different distros are hard to comply with all at once, but that is a large part of what ximian do: package gnome (and some 3rd party software) in a nice and sleek bundle. That should include packaging it for all major distributions (that includes debian).
true... that's very odd...