MSN search was around for a very long time and every time I tried it it sucked, missed or both.
Or do you think only new MSN search should be taken in question. That would be wrong because I think that old search was a template for new one. In any case old MSN search should be treated as time of presence in the market.
Just out of curiosity I downloaded images from suprnova and checked md5sum
Original md5sum db8c7254beeb4f6b891d1ed3f689b412 FC3-i386-disc1.iso 2c11674cf429fe570445afd9d5ff56 4e FC3-i386-disc2.iso f88f6ab5947ca41f3cf31db0448727 9b FC3-i386-disc3.iso 6331c00aa3e8c088cc365eeb7ef230 ea FC3-i386-disc4.iso
Maybe for Americans (personally I don't give a fuck about it), but the rest of the world suffered a really bad day, and this bad day will continue for next 4 years. If you would look up and stop looking your ass you might notice that America has become really unpopular on this planet. Most of the responsability for that goes to Bush.
I suspect that 50% of Americans (yeah, those who voted for Bush) is either deaf, blind or mentally handicapped.
Apple is doing this stuff (e.g. you can mount WebDAV servers)
Obviously you haven't tried to use this. If you would you would be imarassed to say that. Webdav doesn't work as it should on OSX. Ok, it might work with some Apple Webdav server, but other servers and OSX just don't go together
most of "Connect to server" server connections don't work, example ftp:// one version asks for password, but latest OSX patch does not. Copying files doesn't work as it should.
Network interface was simple. Chooser and that was it. Now there is trashed all over the place. Network in finder supporting SMB only???
Start menu has gone bad since OSX.
Mail has fatal flaws. (Besides its fatal unusability)
You can't control with keys on dialogs or popdowns. (Buttons I mean)
Themes aren't consistant. And please don't say BrMetal is multimedia, standard is other software. Even Apple wasn't consistant with this feature
Window Titlebar. Was clear, now you get ughly and bad positioning.
Mouse (ok, that one was bad and still is)
OS9 detected new monitor. OSX doesn't. I wouldn't even notice that if I wouldn't disconnect 22" monitor and connect 17". Guess what (blank screen)
File layout was perfect, now it isn't.
System files were perfect. Throw preferences to trash and it works. Now it doesn't, Everything is displaced on various locations. (even Windows don't have such bad file layout)
You could reinstall system, copy (not install) software and preferences. You could work. Now it is not even a bit better than Windows.
Response was fast, now eye candy is slowing down everything.
Harddrives often get locked in OSX.
Printers don't support CMYK ICC profiles (OS9 was supporting them). Sory, buddy. cups is not CMYK proof concept. You can install rip though, but that is something you can install anywhere
Really bad system menu layout. It was almost perfect
No more delete and it is uninstalled. It was trashing all over the place
Everything is too big without system scaling option. (There wasn't scaling in OS9 but at least it was usable on smaller resolutions)
don't see how 900 000 000 000 competing distros does anything but slow linux adoption down.
True, but if you'd botter to try ubuntu you'd notice one thing. This is gnome based distro aiming for the same goals as Lycoris and others. And after few minutes I was hooked up. The only downside for now is xfree instead of xorg. But even that is gonna change in next release. I believe that I'm not wrong when I say that it is the most cleaned and polished distro out there (and I tried preview release)
If you'd botter to search for your answer on ubuntulinux.org (or try ubuntu) page it would be easier to understand
But let me outline you: - Fedora like ^^STABLE^^ release timeline (every 6 months) - 1 cd setup, and no install options - synchronized with Gnome releases - Selected software only and here why debian: - Access to debian apt repositories - Large community
Naders hot dog description was ment to describe the fact that when you don't know all the facts your point of view might be different.
Kerry responded with practicaly same answer (about getting all the facts on the spot) but says that government should admit mistake in case of changing mind. Aka. Nation should be informed when and why opinion was changed.
While other candidates who answered said the same thing, Bush answered nothing.
No, it wouldn't. Even if they would release OSX for x86 there would be a lack of drivers probably. Darwin alone supports only some very obscure PC hardware that mostly belongs to museum. I doubt that OSX x86 would make a difference.
Take for example Solaris, no drivers for many things on x86.
btw. To answer the original question: NOT, even now that I own two macs, I don't like OSX and probably wouldn't like x86 version too
1. I own two macs, I avoid them if possible 2. OSX comes near linux when you install fink and half linux software for hackability (and that was too painfull for me to endure it again when I bough new G5, so... plain OSX for me now) 3. What are the bells and whistles in your so called hackability? I bet you mean transparency, shadows and large photo icons
As for databases - you can navigate and modify them, there's example on XUL documentation
But second point was a direct hit. That was the reason why I went away when I was testing XUL.
Same goes for mono, except that in mono I can use Glade to at least some point, thanks to GladeSync.cs (terribly slow, but at least I don't need to define variables on my own). It's not a solution but I hope that Novell (or anyone else) will release something like GUI builder and decent IDE (lost my hopes for monodevelop after the license crisis).
I agree, but will they agree with you too???...that both parties are willing to pay for science that supports their agendas
More like "that both parties are willing to GET payED for science that AT LEAST IN SOME SENSE supports their agenda
In any case, it is NOT science in your or my opinion. But I think this will be excersized in form of man before judge and left the remains for blattering in next campaign.
Man: Didn't do it... Judge: Sentence is.... Man: But... Judge: Next one please!
Wrong, both do, just pay one or make the other happy
Except that all the answers Bush gave were somehow sounding like they were paid well from current industry, which wants to cut costs with cheaper dumping of waste and not enrich technological development (status quo still means the lowest costs possible) the answer for nuclear weapons - Bush is taking term "Rocket scientist" too literal. Considering inteligence that Bush showed so far, one sould only wish that "WAR" word would be some harder word (at least 24 letters, hard to pronounce and difficult to spell) and Bush couldn't say or spell it so many times.
Kerry on the other side looks like he is interested in more nature friendly approach (on the other hand he might be just sucking in), so step would be nature friendly science which is more or less completely different than most of current technology. This approach would just mean too many changes and costs.
Please, try to understand me: you cannot say that installing ALL applications is simple under linux...
Most of the reason is that people can't let go. Userspace program has nothing to do with the hierarchy you mentioned. Userspace is userspace. Programs that would need to be inserted in system are very rare, near zero count. To tell this to developers is a job for fd.o. They should make specs and those specs should be respected. Just like gnome HIG
But I must admit that wx (ok, python is even worst) example was a real bullseye. Applications needing qt or gtk are just too easy to install. That comes from the one that always uses one widget set only, I like to keep my computer as polished and consistant as possible. My choice was gnome and there's no other software that I use (ok, there's k3b, and hopefully I will find gnome app that will replace it, and OO.o but with 2.0 it will be real gtk app so I don't really count it). Gnome icons, layout (remember not UI feel and design) and simplicity reminds me on OS9. I think we both agree that if OSX would be so great I would use my G5 more. (I'm not some geek dreaming about eye candy I saw on some screenshot, I have 2 of them at home)
Personally, I hate Apple way. Make something up and throw all in face of the users. It will seem like a major change. Ok, it does seem like that. But not everything was carefully planned and checked. Correcting structure that already exists is much harder than carefully implement new one. That's the reason why I love Maya, scribus, inkscape, gnome (remember, I've bought Adobe collections and Quark, but still, whenever I'm not bound to some filetype, I never use them). Everything is just where it is supposed to be and nothing is rushed just to gain some functionality. Example, KDE had features like composite and damage solved internaly for a long time (At least to some point) and that's the reason why redrawing gnome windows and desktop seemed slugish. Now X.Org implemented those and I wonder if old solutions in KDE won't just make doublefeature and slow things down.
Same thing should happen with installer. First on the drawing board then testing and after that implementation. But not sooner than a moment when userspace app is userspace app and system app is system app (With a really thick steel wall between them).
btw. I've got few non-techie friends using fedora. Not even one had one single problem installing anything. They've all been lucky that I keep yum repositories with software and sometimes even respect their wishes. Maybe I should cut them with fedora 3 just to see how they would manage:) That would be probably the best field research. Since FC3 is near, the experiment will soon begin.
Personally, I think that I'm pretty correct when I predict that all troubles you mentioned will be solved in FC5 (One year from now).
And here is a question for you (based on all of my blabbering): Do you like features sonner or better?
Never did, all I said is that it is *X, and nothing special for this branch.
BSD has some good sides and some bad sides. Let's say threading model is one of the worst *X implementations
3-button by default?
If you'd be OS9 user, you would believe that this is not true. One button and OS9 was natural, never missed 3 buttons. But OSX and its UI (or UI flaws) does make your comment valid.
I've compiled for years EVERYTHING myself, so the installation problem is NOT my problem, but is the primary obstacle to linux diffusion: if I write an app I've got to provide rpms, debs, tgzs and ebuilds if I want that everyone can install it
Hmmmm,... again blender, firefox, mozilla, OO.o??? Obviously you didn't read what I responded.
I don't understand why U don't appreciate some of the features of osx
Why??? Ok, here it goes. I started using my first Mac with OS7, left with 10.0 and was forced to come back with 10.2
Up to now I owned around 20 Macs (3 powerbooks). Now I own 2: G4 1.25 and G5. Both with 10.3
UI before X was strict and clean, everything was specified and respected. With OSX it just seems to me that Apple rushed into first applicable version being developed on few completely different divisions, while on the other side looking OSS where they can fill their gaps. Too much of their efforts has gone to eye candy which made OS inconsistent inside. If your comment about DMG and one install would be true, then applications wouldn't stop working when you upgrade OS for.1 as it does with OSX.
Sorry, but if feelings towards OSX offend you I can't help it. It is as I said. OSX sucks for me (and I always specify that this is my own preference), but you must agree that I at least stand with facts. I loved OS9. UI feel in OSX has just gone down major if you compare it with OS9.
gnome is basing part of the work on it (just think to spatial nautilus)
Actualy that would be OS9. (spatial nautilus, model coresponds to OS9, check mailing list and look what discussions happen there when people want to implement nautilus like OSX finder) and OS9 is something completely different and gnome community is against OSX like finder.
Where's the point??? I worked with *X from SGI Indigo1 days. Not that BSD is anything special
2. Proprietary = Support
Guess you never tried to contact support out of USA
Opensource = Lot of apps. osx got both.
Take from OSS where it suits you and return only what you think it will suit you.
3. Look 'round for other programs (yes, the terminal sucks, but if you try iTerm you'll never blame - Mail sucks? try Thunderbird - iChat is crappy? try Fire).
Yeah, and install fink etc... Isn't easier to install linux???
4. It's the one OS that REALLY uses the high performance graphics card (Quartz Xtreme is a superb engine).
??? And the point is??? Software that uses it still sucks
5. Safari is the fastest web browser outa here (but you can install firefox or camino or mozilla).
Fast??? Where, (on G5) it renders/. page a lot slower than mozilla on my laptop.
6. The priniting engine is very good by the way (what you see is really what you get).
Missed the point. Engine is driven by cups. Cups doesn't support CMYK
7. Aqua is very exciting, nothing to say.
As I said, it is a personal preference only. It is a pain for my eyes
8. Remember that's a BSD.
Your point 1 didn't matter, why would this one???
On a fact you're right: 1. Networking is very crappy (eg. you cannot have persistent smb mounts without external programs) and computer browser is simply stuck. The only thing that really sucks (a lot) is the one-button mouse: under linux (I use GNOME) U really use the 3 buttons (browsing with linux lets you drop the keyboard). However osx is and can be a good example for making Linux the best OS all 'round here: Linux is good, but now misses good video drivers (none of the existing ones is good enough), a consistent set of apps, an unified package management system (cross-distro) and a very good looking ui. But GNOME is on the way (in my opinion kde is very out of the way) and GNOME and Freedesktop guis are doing a great (more... greatest!) work to make it better. Maybe one day linux will have all of this, and will be really better than osx. I didn't mention wxp and others: too crappy, it simply sucks.
Fact 1. You can connect 3 button mouse on OSX. Fact 2. OSX sucks Fact 3. Better than copying OSX, would be dismantle OS9, and take over from there. Apple tried that but screwed major. Fact 4. Maybe that day is nearer than you think Fact 5. Unified package managment? Here you step on a nail. Compile applications as static and you can just copy them. People still think too much about small distro software. Look at blender example. Copy and it runs. Firefox, Thunderbird, Openoffice.... Get the point? If app is compiled for unified use then unified use is no problem, if not here goes the trouble with.rpm.deb and dependancies Fact 6. ATI and NVidia drivers are good, believe me
btw. I do own 2 OSX computers (besides others, 8 linux, 2 XP, 1 win2000server) and they are far from being what I would expect from polished.
Apple and OSX has far more flaws under its hood than any other OS or hardware. There's just too many flaws.
To name few: Chooser (Finder - Go - Connect to server) - now sucks. Network in finder - Ok, where's my other Apple??? Mounted drive - Command I ??? WTF? Where is this share from, I know that it is Appleshare but which computer Printing - CUPS doesn't support CMYK, so forget to import CMYK profile like you were used in OS9 Safari - Konqueror ripoff without tabs, konqueror sucks Mail - C'mon, who designed this, and a big flaw with deleting all POP accounts, try it. It managed to disable option of editing new user and always recreating new one Terminal - try changing fonts, you'll know what I mean theme sucks - it is a real pain, I can't stand brushed metal but that's just my preference Window manager - No more rollup??? WTF FS - God, I love this tracking where's this file in terminal, it's crosslinked to instanity Netinfo - WTF???? Firewall - Is this a joke??? Monitor support sucks - If I wouldn't have broken 22" Mitsubishi I wouldn't know. When I connected 17" monitor it just blanked when starting system without detecting new monitor. Since this was my main monitor I got fucked, Either one 17" was blanked or the second one was (Didn't detect new, so I removed and hoped it will use second one with its prefs, but OSX used second one with 22" prefs). It was really enjoyable for me to drag another 22" monitor just to change resolution...
Need more??? Or do you prefer me explaining why Apple hardware sucks???
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There's no http://search.suprnova.org/ on the list too:) And nobody bothers
Beta for how long now???
MSN search was around for a very long time and every time I tried it it sucked, missed or both.
Or do you think only new MSN search should be taken in question. That would be wrong because I think that old search was a template for new one. In any case old MSN search should be treated as time of presence in the market.
Thanks, I really needed that one:)
/. almost dying today. What a coincidence
btw. NASA breaking speed barrier, and
Probably something like this
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMM
But you should expect larger fonts in this comic
I wonder how much space for turning would it need then.
But why would they use this speed.
Since their space program is almost dead and their air program is too fast for earthlings, one could wonder where's the catch in this
Just out of curiosity I downloaded images from suprnova and checked md5sum
6 4e FC3-i386-disc2.iso7 9b FC3-i386-disc3.iso0 ea FC3-i386-disc4.iso
1 c4 FC3-i386-disc2.isof b0 FC3-i386-disc3.iso7 4f FC3-i386-disc4.iso
Original md5sum
db8c7254beeb4f6b891d1ed3f689b412 FC3-i386-disc1.iso
2c11674cf429fe570445afd9d5ff5
f88f6ab5947ca41f3cf31db044872
6331c00aa3e8c088cc365eeb7ef23
Suprnova md5sum
5f99bc2fb3685cb52ef1ea6a2a8b27ce FC3-i386-disc1.iso
eda0debffcb97f63162782818727c
f6da03ef5d78ed1fef464970c82fa
b6e2e7c9b86b49d9cab1557be0043
Maybe for Americans (personally I don't give a fuck about it), but the rest of the world suffered a really bad day, and this bad day will continue for next 4 years. If you would look up and stop looking your ass you might notice that America has become really unpopular on this planet. Most of the responsability for that goes to Bush.
I suspect that 50% of Americans (yeah, those who voted for Bush) is either deaf, blind or mentally handicapped.
This is really vague. FTP is read-only, sure. There is no built in FTP client in OS9
At least it wasn't stupendously confusing with half assed support
The network in the finder doesn't support SMB only. There was no SMB (or NFS) support at ALL. You're forgetting the "network browser" conveniently
Are you plain stupid??? Guess that's the reason why I see windows machines on OSX and not other Apple OSX clients with sharing enabled
Window titlebars are exactly the same as they are in OS X. WTF are you talking about?
Stupid colored buttons without icons (yeah, and no shade option) on the wrong side
What's wrong with the mouse?
Maybe the fact that it is year 2004 and OSX still doersn't support acceleration
Actually everything is on ~/Library/Preferences
Yeah, but trashing them doesn't solve shit
Explain how you can not copy software in OS X
Just try to copy Adobe Acrobat from one computer to another
Harddrives often get locked in OSX. Huh?
Huh, or not. They do especialy SMB mounted ones
So the extensions folder in OS9 didn't exist?
When did I say that????
You don't know what you're talking about, I'm not going to waste my time
Actualy that would be description of you
Apple is doing this stuff (e.g. you can mount WebDAV servers)
Obviously you haven't tried to use this. If you would you would be imarassed to say that. Webdav doesn't work as it should on OSX. Ok, it might work with some Apple Webdav server, but other servers and OSX just don't go together
Wow I like this one.
Here they are
most of "Connect to server" server connections don't work, example ftp:// one version asks for password, but latest OSX patch does not. Copying files doesn't work as it should.
Network interface was simple. Chooser and that was it. Now there is trashed all over the place. Network in finder supporting SMB only???
Start menu has gone bad since OSX.
Mail has fatal flaws. (Besides its fatal unusability)
You can't control with keys on dialogs or popdowns. (Buttons I mean)
Themes aren't consistant. And please don't say BrMetal is multimedia, standard is other software. Even Apple wasn't consistant with this feature
Window Titlebar. Was clear, now you get ughly and bad positioning.
Mouse (ok, that one was bad and still is)
OS9 detected new monitor. OSX doesn't. I wouldn't even notice that if I wouldn't disconnect 22" monitor and connect 17". Guess what (blank screen)
File layout was perfect, now it isn't.
System files were perfect. Throw preferences to trash and it works. Now it doesn't, Everything is displaced on various locations. (even Windows don't have such bad file layout)
You could reinstall system, copy (not install) software and preferences. You could work. Now it is not even a bit better than Windows.
Response was fast, now eye candy is slowing down everything.
Harddrives often get locked in OSX.
Printers don't support CMYK ICC profiles (OS9 was supporting them). Sory, buddy. cups is not CMYK proof concept. You can install rip though, but that is something you can install anywhere
Really bad system menu layout. It was almost perfect
No more delete and it is uninstalled. It was trashing all over the place
Everything is too big without system scaling option. (There wasn't scaling in OS9 but at least it was usable on smaller resolutions)
Should I continue????
That one is simple:)
Gnome uses HIG, KDE does not. Having 3 separate settings dialogs with god forbid how many pagers for every application is not the way.
Konqueror faster - yeah, maybe but is konq w3c compliant as firefox
Integration - you should check ubuntu bounties, you might read something usefull.
don't see how 900 000 000 000 competing distros does anything but slow linux adoption down.
True, but if you'd botter to try ubuntu you'd notice one thing. This is gnome based distro aiming for the same goals as Lycoris and others. And after few minutes I was hooked up. The only downside for now is xfree instead of xorg. But even that is gonna change in next release. I believe that I'm not wrong when I say that it is the most cleaned and polished distro out there (and I tried preview release)
If you'd botter to search for your answer on ubuntulinux.org (or try ubuntu) page it would be easier to understand
But let me outline you:
- Fedora like ^^STABLE^^ release timeline (every 6 months)
- 1 cd setup, and no install options
- synchronized with Gnome releases
- Selected software only
and here why debian:
- Access to debian apt repositories
- Large community
You should wake your brains sometimes.
Let me translate it for you:
Naders hot dog description was ment to describe the fact that when you don't know all the facts your point of view might be different.
Kerry responded with practicaly same answer (about getting all the facts on the spot) but says that government should admit mistake in case of changing mind. Aka. Nation should be informed when and why opinion was changed.
While other candidates who answered said the same thing, Bush answered nothing.
No, it wouldn't. Even if they would release OSX for x86 there would be a lack of drivers probably. Darwin alone supports only some very obscure PC hardware that mostly belongs to museum. I doubt that OSX x86 would make a difference.
Take for example Solaris, no drivers for many things on x86.
btw. To answer the original question:
NOT, even now that I own two macs, I don't like OSX and probably wouldn't like x86 version too
And here is another switcher story posted on /.
1. I own two macs, I avoid them if possible
2. OSX comes near linux when you install fink and half linux software for hackability (and that was too painfull for me to endure it again when I bough new G5, so... plain OSX for me now)
3. What are the bells and whistles in your so called hackability? I bet you mean transparency, shadows and large photo icons
C'mon, get serious
As for databases - you can navigate and modify them, there's example on XUL documentation
But second point was a direct hit. That was the reason why I went away when I was testing XUL.
Same goes for mono, except that in mono I can use Glade to at least some point, thanks to GladeSync.cs (terribly slow, but at least I don't need to define variables on my own). It's not a solution but I hope that Novell (or anyone else) will release something like GUI builder and decent IDE (lost my hopes for monodevelop after the license crisis).
I agree, but will they agree with you too??? ...that both parties are willing to pay for science that supports their agendas
More like "that both parties are willing to GET payED for science that AT LEAST IN SOME SENSE supports their agenda
In any case, it is NOT science in your or my opinion. But I think this will be excersized in form of man before judge and left the remains for blattering in next campaign.
Man: Didn't do it...
Judge: Sentence is....
Man: But...
Judge: Next one please!
Wrong, both do, just pay one or make the other happy
Except that all the answers Bush gave were somehow sounding like they were paid well from current industry, which wants to cut costs with cheaper dumping of waste and not enrich technological development (status quo still means the lowest costs possible) the answer for nuclear weapons - Bush is taking term "Rocket scientist" too literal. Considering inteligence that Bush showed so far, one sould only wish that "WAR" word would be some harder word (at least 24 letters, hard to pronounce and difficult to spell) and Bush couldn't say or spell it so many times.
Kerry on the other side looks like he is interested in more nature friendly approach (on the other hand he might be just sucking in), so step would be nature friendly science which is more or less completely different than most of current technology. This approach would just mean too many changes and costs.
I think that I'm much more in favour of "Pinky and the Brain" than "Steve and the Bill" kind of domination.
At least cartoons made more sense than Microsoft publications.
Actualy, it's perfect.
It's you what makes the problem here. Press Ctrl + L and there's everything.
All that's missing in Open/Save is just application type based bookmarks. Graphics, Internet etc.
Please, try to understand me: you cannot say that installing ALL applications is simple under linux...
Most of the reason is that people can't let go. Userspace program has nothing to do with the hierarchy you mentioned. Userspace is userspace. Programs that would need to be inserted in system are very rare, near zero count. To tell this to developers is a job for fd.o. They should make specs and those specs should be respected. Just like gnome HIG
But I must admit that wx (ok, python is even worst) example was a real bullseye. Applications needing qt or gtk are just too easy to install. That comes from the one that always uses one widget set only, I like to keep my computer as polished and consistant as possible. My choice was gnome and there's no other software that I use (ok, there's k3b, and hopefully I will find gnome app that will replace it, and OO.o but with 2.0 it will be real gtk app so I don't really count it). Gnome icons, layout (remember not UI feel and design) and simplicity reminds me on OS9. I think we both agree that if OSX would be so great I would use my G5 more. (I'm not some geek dreaming about eye candy I saw on some screenshot, I have 2 of them at home)
Personally, I hate Apple way. Make something up and throw all in face of the users. It will seem like a major change. Ok, it does seem like that. But not everything was carefully planned and checked. Correcting structure that already exists is much harder than carefully implement new one. That's the reason why I love Maya, scribus, inkscape, gnome (remember, I've bought Adobe collections and Quark, but still, whenever I'm not bound to some filetype, I never use them). Everything is just where it is supposed to be and nothing is rushed just to gain some functionality. Example, KDE had features like composite and damage solved internaly for a long time (At least to some point) and that's the reason why redrawing gnome windows and desktop seemed slugish. Now X.Org implemented those and I wonder if old solutions in KDE won't just make doublefeature and slow things down.
Same thing should happen with installer. First on the drawing board then testing and after that implementation. But not sooner than a moment when userspace app is userspace app and system app is system app (With a really thick steel wall between them).
btw. I've got few non-techie friends using fedora. Not even one had one single problem installing anything. They've all been lucky that I keep yum repositories with software and sometimes even respect their wishes. Maybe I should cut them with fedora 3 just to see how they would manage:) That would be probably the best field research. Since FC3 is near, the experiment will soon begin.
Personally, I think that I'm pretty correct when I predict that all troubles you mentioned will be solved in FC5 (One year from now).
And here is a question for you (based on all of my blabbering): Do you like features sonner or better?
You cannot say that BSD is not a good OS
... again blender, firefox, mozilla, OO.o??? Obviously you didn't read what I responded.
.1 as it does with OSX.
Never did, all I said is that it is *X, and nothing special for this branch.
BSD has some good sides and some bad sides. Let's say threading model is one of the worst *X implementations
3-button by default?
If you'd be OS9 user, you would believe that this is not true. One button and OS9 was natural, never missed 3 buttons. But OSX and its UI (or UI flaws) does make your comment valid.
I've compiled for years EVERYTHING myself, so the installation problem is NOT my problem, but is the primary obstacle to linux diffusion: if I write an app I've got to provide rpms, debs, tgzs and ebuilds if I want that everyone can install it
Hmmmm,
I don't understand why U don't appreciate some of the features of osx
Why??? Ok, here it goes.
I started using my first Mac with OS7, left with 10.0 and was forced to come back with 10.2
Up to now I owned around 20 Macs (3 powerbooks). Now I own 2: G4 1.25 and G5. Both with 10.3
UI before X was strict and clean, everything was specified and respected. With OSX it just seems to me that Apple rushed into first applicable version being developed on few completely different divisions, while on the other side looking OSS where they can fill their gaps. Too much of their efforts has gone to eye candy which made OS inconsistent inside. If your comment about DMG and one install would be true, then applications wouldn't stop working when you upgrade OS for
Sorry, but if feelings towards OSX offend you I can't help it. It is as I said. OSX sucks for me (and I always specify that this is my own preference), but you must agree that I at least stand with facts. I loved OS9. UI feel in OSX has just gone down major if you compare it with OS9.
gnome is basing part of the work on it (just think to spatial nautilus)
Actualy that would be OS9. (spatial nautilus, model coresponds to OS9, check mailing list and look what discussions happen there when people want to implement nautilus like OSX finder) and OS9 is something completely different and gnome community is against OSX like finder.
Yeah, but it's rock-solid
/. page a lot slower than mozilla on my laptop.
.rpm .deb and dependancies
???? We're not from same planet, are we???
1. Remember that's a BSD;
Where's the point??? I worked with *X from SGI Indigo1 days. Not that BSD is anything special
2. Proprietary = Support
Guess you never tried to contact support out of USA
Opensource = Lot of apps. osx got both.
Take from OSS where it suits you and return only what you think it will suit you.
3. Look 'round for other programs (yes, the terminal sucks, but if you try iTerm you'll never blame - Mail sucks? try Thunderbird - iChat is crappy? try Fire).
Yeah, and install fink etc... Isn't easier to install linux???
4. It's the one OS that REALLY uses the high performance graphics card (Quartz Xtreme is a superb engine).
??? And the point is??? Software that uses it still sucks
5. Safari is the fastest web browser outa here (but you can install firefox or camino or mozilla).
Fast??? Where, (on G5) it renders
6. The priniting engine is very good by the way (what you see is really what you get).
Missed the point. Engine is driven by cups. Cups doesn't support CMYK
7. Aqua is very exciting, nothing to say.
As I said, it is a personal preference only. It is a pain for my eyes
8. Remember that's a BSD.
Your point 1 didn't matter, why would this one???
On a fact you're right: 1. Networking is very crappy (eg. you cannot have persistent smb mounts without external programs) and computer browser is simply stuck. The only thing that really sucks (a lot) is the one-button mouse: under linux (I use GNOME) U really use the 3 buttons (browsing with linux lets you drop the keyboard).
However osx is and can be a good example for making Linux the best OS all 'round here: Linux is good, but now misses good video drivers (none of the existing ones is good enough), a consistent set of apps, an unified package management system (cross-distro) and a very good looking ui. But GNOME is on the way (in my opinion kde is very out of the way) and GNOME and Freedesktop guis are doing a great (more... greatest!) work to make it better. Maybe one day linux will have all of this, and will be really better than osx. I didn't mention wxp and others: too crappy, it simply sucks.
Fact 1. You can connect 3 button mouse on OSX.
Fact 2. OSX sucks
Fact 3. Better than copying OSX, would be dismantle OS9, and take over from there. Apple tried that but screwed major.
Fact 4. Maybe that day is nearer than you think
Fact 5. Unified package managment? Here you step on a nail. Compile applications as static and you can just copy them. People still think too much about small distro software. Look at blender example. Copy and it runs. Firefox, Thunderbird, Openoffice.... Get the point? If app is compiled for unified use then unified use is no problem, if not here goes the trouble with
Fact 6. ATI and NVidia drivers are good, believe me
More like Apple and then x86.
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btw. I do own 2 OSX computers (besides others, 8 linux, 2 XP, 1 win2000server) and they are far from being what I would expect from polished.
Apple and OSX has far more flaws under its hood than any other OS or hardware. There's just too many flaws.
To name few:
Chooser (Finder - Go - Connect to server) - now sucks.
Network in finder - Ok, where's my other Apple???
Mounted drive - Command I ??? WTF? Where is this share from, I know that it is Appleshare but which computer
Printing - CUPS doesn't support CMYK, so forget to import CMYK profile like you were used in OS9
Safari - Konqueror ripoff without tabs, konqueror sucks
Mail - C'mon, who designed this, and a big flaw with deleting all POP accounts, try it. It managed to disable option of editing new user and always recreating new one
Terminal - try changing fonts, you'll know what I mean
theme sucks - it is a real pain, I can't stand brushed metal but that's just my preference
Window manager - No more rollup??? WTF
FS - God, I love this tracking where's this file in terminal, it's crosslinked to instanity
Netinfo - WTF????
Firewall - Is this a joke???
Monitor support sucks - If I wouldn't have broken 22" Mitsubishi I wouldn't know. When I connected 17" monitor it just blanked when starting system without detecting new monitor. Since this was my main monitor I got fucked, Either one 17" was blanked or the second one was (Didn't detect new, so I removed and hoped it will use second one with its prefs, but OSX used second one with 22" prefs). It was really enjoyable for me to drag another 22" monitor just to change resolution
Need more??? Or do you prefer me explaining why Apple hardware sucks???