Release date of Gnome 2.6: march 8 Release date of FC2: april 6
so yes, Gnome will be 2.6, and I don't see a problem with test release of Linux using test release of Gnome, because in the end both will be final for release.
Other Americans to have received the KBE include George Bush, the former president, Rudolph Giuliani, the former mayor of New York, Steven Spielberg, the film director, and Alan Greenspan, the chairman of the US Federal Reserve Bank.
Now Gates???
Guess, queen just knows people which I hate. And from this I can draw only this function
English knight == ???morron???
And in future news: Subscribe to announce-list of new morrons (I mean knights)
must sue..., must talk stupid,... must sue..., must talk stupid,... must sue..., must talk stupid,... must sue..., must talk stupid,... must sue..., must talk stupid,...
It's not related to the topic, but then again there's no book with answer to this, (and on net at least as I searched)
After the last (dec-17) update on 10.3, I (not really me, but few of my customers) suffered errors on OS.
When network drive is mounted, either smb: or afp: system icons in top right corner are blinking are moving, and if disk is mounted too long OS freezes (was searching on net and found very large number of problems, of which all are similiar). Other problems are not really important (not severe) and nobody cares.
Is there any solution?
And conclusion: After troubles with powerbooks and this security update along with other problems I suspect that Apple quality control has gone bad. I was used to Apple in their better times now lucky me, Apple free shop
1. opencarpet (if you wannt to do it in graphical mode) or cron job running apt-get (auto-mode)
just create and add apt repository on server, and there it is
2.a X crashes??? well maybe if you have some weird hardware, on my ATI and NVidia cards X is running perfectly.
2.b XML files are far easier to work with than small independent files. Just remember: XML is your friend,... XML is your friend,... XML is your friend,... XML is your friend,... XML is your friend,...
Better masturbating for 8 years than 2 years of good sex.
But then again, YOU'RE WRONG! If You don't know, there's a little difference between RH stoping support Linux and M$ for Windows 98.
After RH support stops, do you think that people will stop updating Samba, Apache, etc. All of these (new and updated) are still compatible with RH Linux 7 and 8.
After M$ drops support who will provide patches and support? Sorry, no one can, not that no one would
You just forget one thing while M$ is the sole developer of Windows, Linux is made by community, and there's no limit on support and patches, except if project dies. But then again, Corporations (and their software) die too.
Two of my servers are still 7.2, while both are updated up to today and both secured as possible. Up to recently I still had one 6.x but machine died and that was the end of it
latest kernel proftpd instead of vsftpd samba 3.0 apache 2.0 opengroupware (in testing mostly) mysql 4 qmail instead of postfix (or it was sendmail) latest cups openldap squid etc, etc
No one stopped support, just up2date from redhat doesn't work anymore (I have 5 enterprise server licenses but not even once I used up2date), all apps and services are still compatible, and all of them are still patched and updated, which is far more than someone could say about NT
Plaintiff/Counterclaim Defendant SCO hereby files its Notice of Compliance with this Court's Order entered on December 12, 2003, and states:
1. SCO has responded fully and in detail to Interrogatories 1-9, 12 and 13 of IBM's First Set of Interrogatories. (See SCO's Supplemental Response to Defendant's First and Second Set of Interrogatories dated January 12, 2004) (hereinafter "Supplemental Responses."). These Supplemental Responses, which exceed 60 pages, fully respond to the interrogatories based on the information in SCO's possession. Upon receiving complete discovery from IBM, including all versions of AIX and Dynix/ptx, there undoubtedly will be further evidence of IBM's contractual breaches and other violations of law, as detailed in the attached Declaration of Ryan Tibbits. Accordingly, SCO reserves the right to further supplement or amend its answers as discovery or further investigation may reveal.
2. SCO has also produced all non-privileged responsive documents requested by IBM. The only exception to such production is the files of certain officers and directors for whom SCO could not obtain the requested materials during the holidays with sufficient time to review the documents. The efforts to obtain these files and their expected production date are set forth in the attached Declaration of Ryan Tibbitts.
Respectfully submitted,
DATED this 12th day of January, 2004
INTERROGATORY NO. 1: seeks specific identification of all alleged trade secrets and confidential or proprietary information that SCO alleges IBM misappropriated or misused. This information is requested by product, file and line of code.
Forget the others as if they wouldn't be there, after all millions of code they produced.... exceed 60 pages????? bwaaahahaaa
D-day was 12th, and as SCO said they are gonna keep with the deadline, not sooner not later. But then again they already published what they want from IBM two days early
IBM must evaluate their response up to 23rd, which is the next court date. And if this isn't saisfactory SCO might get it's case thrown out.
Possibility of SCO case to get thrown out is not possible in my opinion. At least it wouldn't be a smart move from IBM if they would succed to get this far. This would lead to other possible complaints from SCO side, and state would be far from peace. It would be better for IBM to bleed SCO dry and take over them as the result.
One response that would throw SCO case out is a list of people entitled to see SCO IP. If they don't name my name (I was entitled too see their kernel which I have freely downloaded from their site), they haven't fully complied with IBM's request as in FULL LIST OF PEOPLE ENTITLED TO SEE SCO IP.
Second possible case of throwing case out lies in SCO complaints (if they stay at last complaints about header files). As they say in brute: without SCO knowleddge there would be no *X, but then again complaining about defines and constants??? Hell IBM could produce a 5year old child that could write header file, thus where is the IP value if 5year old child can do it?
from your kick-ass apps: i admit k3b is kick-ass except interface, which could use a little more polish
kdevelop i don't use so it wouldn't be fair of me to judge, but others just aren't so kick-ass as you would wish, just mostly unprofessional
GNOME-apps rule, KDE-apps suck!
nope, i never claimed that. scribus is a qt app and it rocks. dcgui-qt is still the best dc client. k3b is still the best app for linux burning, except that I find my self using burn:// in nautilus more and more, it just works (at least for files, for audio I'm still waiting for coaster architect)
problem with kde is that still aims to geeks, meaning zillion buttons with preferences bloated with tabs having option to configure anything but still do very little. kwrite is a nice sample of that. simple editor, which looks confusing. and never mind how geekish i am, i'm finding my self more and more in time shortage, so i just wan't clean interface from start. i won't say that kde couldn't be cleaned up with setting preferences, IT CAN BE (AND EVEN VERY NICE), but i just don't wanna bother, DE either works from start or not. second thing is that i find my self setting up more and more linux desktops, while in gnome everything is set up for every average joe, kde shows too much. so, did i said that kde is pain in the ass: YES.
try comparing similiar products kmail - evolution kwrite - abiword kspread - gnumeric konqueror - epiphany kcontrol - gnome control center karbon14 - inkscape kde menu layout - gnome menu layout i would say kdevelop - anjuta but as i said i don't use kdevelop so it wouldn't be right in every case gnome or gtk software was more polished in interface, more directed to its usage and simpler to use
gimp is gtk+ yes, but still gtk+ is heart of gnome difference is just the engine dependancy just as qt is for kde
Yep, I would agree but Gnome2 will have it's FileDialogs solved in this release, as I read printing interface from Ximian was commited to standard Gnome which means there's no need for KDE interferring with Gnome. They should be separate and if someone doesn't install KDE he doesn't install KDE and just the same thing for Gnome.
Gnome and KDE should unify vfs and other low level interfaces not create a MIXED edition where Gnome is no Gnome and KDE is no KDE
Commercial vendors have already overwhelmingly opted to use Qt instead of GTK
Not true. It was sometimes, but that were the times when Gnome1 was dying(and it couldn't compete with KDE) and Gnome2 was still in the design (and bugs) more than in work. It was the time when Lycoris, Knoppix, (other distros of small vendors that started at the same time)... But look at the real vendors who are commiting to Linux now. Sun-Gnome, IBM-Gnome(at least based on assumption that Suse and RH are it's distros), RH-Gnome, Novell-Gnome, Suse_the_major_KDE_player-Gnome
KDE is loosing ground in this field. Not gaining.
Given that I find this kind of thing useful, and that I use 95% KDE applications, I can't agree that it's a sign of GNOME's success. It's just dragging the GTK/GNOME applications along where the original developers have failed to take them.
Given that I don't find this kind of thing useful, and that I use 0% KDE applications, I can agree that it's a sign of GNOME's success. It's just KDE filling the gaps that KDE is lacking. Let's see: Phoenix and Thunderbird - GTK OpenOffice.org - Now native GTK planned for next release, KDE release, well project is open but no one want's to do it Evolution - I can't remember any serious KDE mail client sorry (please no kmail) Gimp - not Gnome but GTK it is Inkscape - Gnome, and I really don't know any KDE vector software (please no karbon14) xmms - GTK
Qt is a much nicer toolkit
Based on your likes and dislikes not mine
The Linux desktop is ruled primarily by Free Software, not commercial applications
Time to smell the future, distro maybe but commercial apps are poping up
btw. all this **look** hacks KDE producess, GTK look, OpenOffice look, KDE dialogs in GTK are just dust in your eyes. This are hacks which avoid dealing with the problem that this apps still aren't Qt. I would rather see complete GTK-API solved trough Qt calls (assuming on fact that Qt provides non OO function callbacks for objects) and complete Qt object hierarchy based on GTK, This would be the only real case until then it's still better for one DE only
Nope, it was 30 days after IBM's newly and fully formed demand, but IBM had one week to ask the question if I remember correctly. so 30 days and 1 week would be the right time
Slashdot Mirror
Just wondering. Which compaqs?
I'm posting this from Compaq N800v and from the start everything except battery meter is working as a charm.
fedora's installer is a gigantic mess
??? care to explain it?
Release date of Gnome 2.6: march 8
Release date of FC2: april 6
so yes, Gnome will be 2.6, and I don't see a problem with test release of Linux using test release of Gnome, because in the end both will be final for release.
Just as you CAPS!
Thanks, I feel like I was just promoted to people level.
Damn, and I was just geting used being geek level
Upgrade what,... maybe... your stress level???
Other Americans to have received the KBE include George Bush, the former president, Rudolph Giuliani, the former mayor of New York, Steven Spielberg, the film director, and Alan Greenspan, the chairman of the US Federal Reserve Bank.
Now Gates???
Guess, queen just knows people which I hate. And from this I can draw only this function
English knight == ???morron???
And in future news: Subscribe to announce-list of new morrons (I mean knights)
It's just Darl chating his mantra
must sue..., must talk stupid,... must sue..., must talk stupid,... must sue..., must talk stupid,... must sue..., must talk stupid,... must sue..., must talk stupid,...
It's not related to the topic, but then again there's no book with answer to this, (and on net at least as I searched)
After the last (dec-17) update on 10.3, I (not really me, but few of my customers) suffered errors on OS.
When network drive is mounted, either smb: or afp: system icons in top right corner are blinking are moving, and if disk is mounted too long OS freezes (was searching on net and found very large number of problems, of which all are similiar). Other problems are not really important (not severe) and nobody cares.
Is there any solution?
And conclusion:
After troubles with powerbooks and this security update along with other problems I suspect that Apple quality control has gone bad. I was used to Apple in their better times now lucky me, Apple free shop
in other words, linux is ready for the healthier installations, and not ready for sick computer use.
the linux philosophy is: get it working, and once its working, use it.
Best desriptions ever, I just wished some modpoints
1. opencarpet (if you wannt to do it in graphical mode) or cron job running apt-get (auto-mode)
just create and add apt repository on server, and there it is
2.a X crashes??? well maybe if you have some weird hardware, on my ATI and NVidia cards X is running perfectly.
2.b XML files are far easier to work with than small independent files. Just remember: XML is your friend,... XML is your friend,... XML is your friend,... XML is your friend,... XML is your friend,...
I don't use KDE, but this is a better way to put it:
I can run them all under Linux, Desktop Environment is just a preference. Some are more polished and some are more finished, it's just the way it is
And now try:
/usr/local/lib/libgimpcolor-1.3.so.24 (0x00c13000) /usr/local/lib/libgimpmath-1.3.so.24 (0x00b0f000) /usr/local/lib/libgimpbase-1.3.so.24 (0x00c21000) /usr/local/lib/libgimpmodule-1.3.so.24 (0x002a0000) /usr/local/lib/libgimpthumb-1.3.so.24 (0x00506000) /usr/local/lib/libgimpwidgets-1.3.so.24 (0x0088a000) /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x0061f000) /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x00111000) /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0 (0x0017e000) /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 (0x005f3000) /lib/tls/libm.so.6 (0x00b3a000) /usr/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so.0 (0x00371000) /usr/lib/libpangox-1.0.so.0 (0x00198000) /usr/lib/libart_lgpl_2.so.2 (0x001d1000) /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 (0x00d0b000) /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0 (0x001e7000) /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 (0x003c4000) /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0 (0x00394000) /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x00b5e000) /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0x00219000) /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 (0x00db5000) /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0x00caf000) /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0x00c53000) /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (0x00ddc000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x003f7000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXrandr.so.2 (0x001a5000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXi.so.6 (0x001c7000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x00c43000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXft.so.2 (0x00d81000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0x00d01000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x009e7000) /usr/lib/libexpat.so.0 (0x00d5f000)
ldd `which gimp-1.3`
libgimpcolor-1.3.so.24 =>
libgimpmath-1.3.so.24 =>
libgimpbase-1.3.so.24 =>
libgimpmodule-1.3.so.24 =>
libgimpthumb-1.3.so.24 =>
libgimpwidgets-1.3.so.24 =>
libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 =>
libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 =>
libatk-1.0.so.0 =>
libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 =>
libm.so.6 =>
libpangoxft-1.0.so.0 =>
libpangox-1.0.so.0 =>
libart_lgpl_2.so.2 =>
libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 =>
libpango-1.0.so.0 =>
libgobject-2.0.so.0 =>
libgmodule-2.0.so.0 =>
libdl.so.2 =>
libglib-2.0.so.0 =>
libfontconfig.so.1 =>
libfreetype.so.6 =>
libz.so.1 =>
libc.so.6 =>
libX11.so.6 =>
libXrandr.so.2 =>
libXi.so.6 =>
libXext.so.6 =>
libXft.so.2 =>
libXrender.so.1 =>
libexpat.so.0 =>
It's a little bit more, gimp 1.2 is going to outdated soon, so gimp 2.0 would be more valid for your comment
To translate what you said
Better masturbating for 8 years than 2 years of good sex.
But then again, YOU'RE WRONG! If You don't know, there's a little difference between RH stoping support Linux and M$ for Windows 98.
After RH support stops, do you think that people will stop updating Samba, Apache, etc. All of these (new and updated) are still compatible with RH Linux 7 and 8.
After M$ drops support who will provide patches and support? Sorry, no one can, not that no one would
You just forget one thing while M$ is the sole developer of Windows, Linux is made by community, and there's no limit on support and patches, except if project dies. But then again, Corporations (and their software) die too.
Two of my servers are still 7.2, while both are updated up to today and both secured as possible.
Up to recently I still had one 6.x but machine died and that was the end of it
latest kernel
proftpd instead of vsftpd
samba 3.0
apache 2.0
opengroupware (in testing mostly)
mysql 4
qmail instead of postfix (or it was sendmail)
latest cups
openldap
squid
etc, etc
No one stopped support, just up2date from redhat doesn't work anymore (I have 5 enterprise server licenses but not even once I used up2date), all apps and services are still compatible, and all of them are still patched and updated, which is far more than someone could say about NT
Sorry, but as such I don't see difference
They would, they would, but like every good company that's running 3bil$ lawsuit they had Christmass vacations.
This makes him an expert in the field. Although he may be biased, he knows more about this market than 99.99% of the population
This also makes him more biased in this market than 99.99% of the population;)
btw. Wrong answer from me.
Plaintiff/Counterclaim Defendant SCO hereby files its Notice of Compliance with this Court's Order entered on December 12, 2003, and states:
1. SCO has responded fully and in detail to Interrogatories 1-9, 12 and 13 of IBM's First Set of Interrogatories. (See SCO's Supplemental Response to Defendant's First and Second Set of Interrogatories dated January 12, 2004) (hereinafter "Supplemental Responses."). These Supplemental Responses, which exceed 60 pages, fully respond to the interrogatories based on the information in SCO's possession. Upon receiving complete discovery from IBM, including all versions of AIX and Dynix/ptx, there undoubtedly will be further evidence of IBM's contractual breaches and other violations of law, as detailed in the attached Declaration of Ryan Tibbits. Accordingly, SCO reserves the right to further supplement or amend its answers as discovery or further investigation may reveal.
2. SCO has also produced all non-privileged responsive documents requested by IBM. The only exception to such production is the files of certain officers and directors for whom SCO could not obtain the requested materials during the holidays with sufficient time to review the documents. The efforts to obtain these files and their expected production date are set forth in the attached Declaration of Ryan Tibbitts.
Respectfully submitted,
DATED this 12th day of January, 2004
INTERROGATORY NO. 1: seeks specific identification of all alleged trade secrets and confidential or proprietary information that SCO alleges IBM misappropriated or misused. This information is requested by product, file and line of code.
Forget the others as if they wouldn't be there, after all millions of code they produced.... exceed 60 pages????? bwaaahahaaa
Naah, they don't have time to do that, company is too busy with extortion branch for now.
D-day was 12th, and as SCO said they are gonna keep with the deadline, not sooner not later. But then again they already published what they want from IBM two days early
IBM must evaluate their response up to 23rd, which is the next court date. And if this isn't saisfactory SCO might get it's case thrown out.
Possibility of SCO case to get thrown out is not possible in my opinion. At least it wouldn't be a smart move from IBM if they would succed to get this far. This would lead to other possible complaints from SCO side, and state would be far from peace. It would be better for IBM to bleed SCO dry and take over them as the result.
One response that would throw SCO case out is a list of people entitled to see SCO IP. If they don't name my name (I was entitled too see their kernel which I have freely downloaded from their site), they haven't fully complied with IBM's request as in FULL LIST OF PEOPLE ENTITLED TO SEE SCO IP.
Second possible case of throwing case out lies in SCO complaints (if they stay at last complaints about header files). As they say in brute: without SCO knowleddge there would be no *X, but then again complaining about defines and constants??? Hell IBM could produce a 5year old child that could write header file, thus where is the IP value if 5year old child can do it?
from your kick-ass apps: i admit k3b is kick-ass except interface, which could use a little more polish
kdevelop i don't use so it wouldn't be fair of me to judge, but others just aren't so kick-ass as you would wish, just mostly unprofessional
GNOME-apps rule, KDE-apps suck!
nope, i never claimed that. scribus is a qt app and it rocks. dcgui-qt is still the best dc client. k3b is still the best app for linux burning, except that I find my self using burn:// in nautilus more and more, it just works (at least for files, for audio I'm still waiting for coaster architect)
problem with kde is that still aims to geeks, meaning zillion buttons with preferences bloated with tabs having option to configure anything but still do very little. kwrite is a nice sample of that. simple editor, which looks confusing. and never mind how geekish i am, i'm finding my self more and more in time shortage, so i just wan't clean interface from start. i won't say that kde couldn't be cleaned up with setting preferences, IT CAN BE (AND EVEN VERY NICE), but i just don't wanna bother, DE either works from start or not. second thing is that i find my self setting up more and more linux desktops, while in gnome everything is set up for every average joe, kde shows too much. so, did i said that kde is pain in the ass: YES.
try comparing similiar products
kmail - evolution
kwrite - abiword
kspread - gnumeric
konqueror - epiphany
kcontrol - gnome control center
karbon14 - inkscape
kde menu layout - gnome menu layout
i would say kdevelop - anjuta but as i said i don't use kdevelop so it wouldn't be right
in every case gnome or gtk software was more polished in interface, more directed to its usage and simpler to use
gimp is gtk+ yes, but still gtk+ is heart of gnome
difference is just the engine dependancy just as qt is for kde
Yep, KDE uses complete Gnome applications where KDE apps suck, Evolution, Gimp... (*wink wink*)
Yep, I would agree but Gnome2 will have it's FileDialogs solved in this release, as I read printing interface from Ximian was commited to standard Gnome which means there's no need for KDE interferring with Gnome. They should be separate and if someone doesn't install KDE he doesn't install KDE and just the same thing for Gnome.
Gnome and KDE should unify vfs and other low level interfaces not create a MIXED edition where Gnome is no Gnome and KDE is no KDE
Commercial vendors have already overwhelmingly opted to use Qt instead of GTK
Not true. It was sometimes, but that were the times when Gnome1 was dying(and it couldn't compete with KDE) and Gnome2 was still in the design (and bugs) more than in work. It was the time when Lycoris, Knoppix, (other distros of small vendors that started at the same time)... But look at the real vendors who are commiting to Linux now. Sun-Gnome, IBM-Gnome(at least based on assumption that Suse and RH are it's distros), RH-Gnome, Novell-Gnome, Suse_the_major_KDE_player-Gnome
KDE is loosing ground in this field. Not gaining.
Given that I find this kind of thing useful, and that I use 95% KDE applications, I can't agree that it's a sign of GNOME's success. It's just dragging the GTK/GNOME applications along where the original developers have failed to take them.
Given that I don't find this kind of thing useful, and that I use 0% KDE applications, I can agree that it's a sign of GNOME's success. It's just KDE filling the gaps that KDE is lacking. Let's see:
Phoenix and Thunderbird - GTK
OpenOffice.org - Now native GTK planned for next release, KDE release, well project is open but no one want's to do it
Evolution - I can't remember any serious KDE mail client sorry (please no kmail)
Gimp - not Gnome but GTK it is
Inkscape - Gnome, and I really don't know any KDE vector software (please no karbon14)
xmms - GTK
Qt is a much nicer toolkit
Based on your likes and dislikes not mine
The Linux desktop is ruled primarily by Free Software, not commercial applications
Time to smell the future, distro maybe but commercial apps are poping up
btw. all this **look** hacks KDE producess, GTK look, OpenOffice look, KDE dialogs in GTK are just dust in your eyes. This are hacks which avoid dealing with the problem that this apps still aren't Qt. I would rather see complete GTK-API solved trough Qt calls (assuming on fact that Qt provides non OO function callbacks for objects) and complete Qt object hierarchy based on GTK, This would be the only real case until then it's still better for one DE only
Nope, it was 30 days after IBM's newly and fully formed demand, but IBM had one week to ask the question if I remember correctly. so 30 days and 1 week would be the right time
Yes, it is *so* superior, it's not one big file, thus access time won't get slowed down if more settings would be in it.
That said one thing I'd like Gnome to reverse is the decision to abolish the apply/ok button in the settings.
Yep, that I agree