Don't forget: you never agreed to any license when you bought the PC, and if microsoft wants to enforce a contract, then they need to produce a copy of that contract with your signature on it.
Of course, what's legal and what's not doesn't really affect this situation, where microsoft is trying to scare vulnerable teachers into thinking they could be jailed for using a non-approved operating system.
It'll probably work for many schools, simply because they don't know much about computers. It's only the schools with a decent tecchie who can say "hang on, we can save £300 per machine here"
At work, it can be good to make a point of reading them. If it says "GNU GPL" at the top, you can click ok and not waste anymore time, but if the program presents 10-pages (equivalent) of uppercase legalese inside a 3"x1" text-box, your employer needs to understand the additional effort it takes to install such products.
Maybe you need to get someone in the company authorised to enter the company into legally-binding contracts to click the OK button?Whatever, it shouldn't be a "click OK regardless"
Perhaps the "total cost of ownership" studies ought to reflect the time for companies' lawyers to read these things each time a product is installed.
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Have a look around the site, and you'll find more material than you'll ever need attacking long copyrights.
Baen free library really is a great resource for anyone who needs to argue copyright. Take an 1841 speech to parliament, for example. Have a read. The articles there are every bit as interesting as the books.
WTF?!? Why did Tiny launch 8 different 0-second redirect windows to try and fuck-up by "Back" button? Is it just me, or are corporate sites being childish?
I dread to think then, what libraries have to pay for the CDs and videos they loan.
Video shop: 1 night video rental, £5
Public library: 7 day video rental, £3 (and if you check-out the video on December 18th, 2 bank holidays mean you get to keep it for 3 weeks)
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Hey, what if that webcam captures some of the original stuff I put on the Web? Isn't that, in itself, copyright infringement?
Sometimes, making copies of stuff for use as evidence or by people working on behalf of a court of law is protected under copyright law (in the UK, for example)
Also, the person infringing copyright would be the person who clicked on the button, not the person who wrote the button. The "copy and report this page" button is a "tool with potential infringement uses", the same as Notepad, Backup or Morpheus
And someone's ebay auction of Linux CDs was blocked by PayPal (i.e. they kept his money rather than forwarding it) until he got a letter signed by microsoft to prove he had permission to copy the software.
I think some people have started to implement this (a free implementation of the academic journal model) but I wouldn't know where I put the link to it.
Historically, lots of people were pissed that the IEEE took ridiculous amounts of money to pay for peer-reviews of these journals, but that the reviewers themselves got a pittance.
Under the new system, the journals are available free of charge, but access to the journals is forbidden to any organisation which contributes to paid journals. I think there was a voluntary-contribution scheme to reward reviewers more generously than the IEEE, but don't quote me on the details.
This got a lot of attention on slashdot, for the obvious comparaisons between free software and free publishing. (Nov 2001?)
Let's look at this another way. I don't worry about the government knowing that I exist, how tall I am, what color my eyes are, or how many whirls and whorls my thumbprint has. I'm not a criminal. I don't plan on being one.
As yesterday's quote said:
Once the police have everyone's fingerprints and DNA code on record, they can go to a shop, the scene of a protest, or anywhere, and automatically compile a list of everyone who was there.
If you're not a criminal, you don't need to have secrets, right? (does that remind anyone of the communist party's policy on secrets?)
Here, people have the option to say "screw your driving license", but in America, it seems much more difficult to walk to the shops, not to mention that so many places require a license to identify you that some states are issuing non-drivers-licenses.
If they want to use thumbprints to make the license more difficult to forge, then the state can delete their own copy which is useful only for spying. The copy on the license itself can identify you.
We all agree that terrorism is bad and that it should be fought...
No. We don't. Sorry to expose myself to US mindsets here, but (Terrorist == Soldier) and the only difference is whether the reporting media are on the same side as the combattant, or on the opposing side.
So please, before you condemn the people you consider to be terrorists, bear in mind that most of the world considers Bush/Blair/Sharon to be murderers and terrorists, and that your needling of Israel to kill yet more civillians sickens us.
I also buy CDs. According to your post, that would seem strange. Why buy CDs when I can download them?
When I play an MP3, it plays nicely on my computer. It's a similar sound quality (PC == hifi) and displays a cute winamp skin when it plays. Compare this to my many CDs (at £15 each) which skip constantly when they play, and are painful to listen to.
Now, I also copy CDs. I pay the "blank media" tax that caused blank-CD prices to double, and use them to copy bought CDs. Why? Because I have already had to replace shop-bought CDs when they break.
If buying CDs is buying the "intelletcual property" [sic] or "buying a license to play the CD" then who will explain why we pay full price to replace a broken CD, or to replace a tape with a CD, or to replace a CD with the same thing in Hollings-aware secure media player format (r) (tm) (patented)?
CDs suck. You pay for the music, and it breaks within a month. The only way you can play it is to take backups, which is illegal here in England, and may soon become impossible there in america. If a record company wants me to pay £15 each time a CD of theirs breaks and I need to replace it, why not be up-front with the costs?
Why not be up-front with the costs, charge £45 ($60) per CD and see who buys it then ?!?
Have your cake and eat it, music buffs, watch your industry get replaced by people who understand technology.
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Yeah, that'll help until a million new people with WinModems try to install it, and have to go back to the computer shop before they can even connect to the net.
Best start publicising freenet, then. I think freenet contains most of the "scientology copyright" material, and it's designed to be impossible to censor anything.
fair enough, they're gonna cut-off POP access to yahoo mail accounts. Not before time; I get 97 spam emails per week and exactly no real emails.
Being one of the first to sign up when yahoo started (owhite@yahoo.com) my email gets a lot of dictionary-attack spam emails, so I've had to stop checking it in the last year anyway. Yahoo are going to stop me reading it from KMail, do I care? No.
Pity though, as I still use Y!chat, Y!Messenger (another AIM) and clubs.yahoo.com for useful things. I suppose it'll all end up distributed open-source soon enough.
I just discovered freeweb. Maybe we can rebuild yahoo clubs on there...
I did this (went to their marketing page) and I got asked for my full account details and password no less than 3 times. (To put this in perspecive, when I visit yahoo clubs, I type my password exactly no times.)
"Better make sure we check the person is EXACTLY who they say they are, if they're gonna do something we don't want..."
p.s. you can access a yahoo email account through POP access to pop.mail.yahoo.com, although I hear they plan to change this shortly. Yahoo email addresses get hit by so much spam it's ridiculous.
p.p.s. Yahoo webspaces is (or was, last time I checked) available at ftp.geocities.com, for full FTP access.
Yahoo was one of the first big companies on the web, and gave out free email, clubs, and chatrooms before most of us even knew what they were. Yahoo may not be the same now, but let's not forget their place in the history of the internet.
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Here at the University of Nottingham you can walk around and see neat little pieces of bike-racks removed with pipe-cutters.
There are some buildings I can't even use anymore because all the bike-racks near to them are of the vulnerable-style.
Of course, university security is spending all it's time replacing these cut sections so it doesn't look like they have a bike-theft problem
ojw. (3 bikes, 2 years)
Don't forget: you never agreed to any license when you bought the PC, and if microsoft wants to enforce a contract, then they need to produce a copy of that contract with your signature on it.
Of course, what's legal and what's not doesn't really affect this situation, where microsoft is trying to scare vulnerable teachers into thinking they could be jailed for using a non-approved operating system.
It'll probably work for many schools, simply because they don't know much about computers. It's only the schools with a decent tecchie who can say "hang on, we can save £300 per machine here"
At work, it can be good to make a point of reading them. If it says "GNU GPL" at the top, you can click ok and not waste anymore time, but if the program presents 10-pages (equivalent) of uppercase legalese inside a 3"x1" text-box, your employer needs to understand the additional effort it takes to install such products.
Maybe you need to get someone in the company authorised to enter the company into legally-binding contracts to click the OK button?Whatever, it shouldn't be a "click OK regardless"
Perhaps the "total cost of ownership" studies ought to reflect the time for companies' lawyers to read these things each time a product is installed.
Have a look around the site, and you'll find more material than you'll ever need attacking long copyrights.
Baen free library really is a great resource for anyone who needs to argue copyright. Take an 1841 speech to parliament, for example. Have a read. The articles there are every bit as interesting as the books.
You could call a friend, and ask them to call 911.
Besides, doesn't the international standard "112" work in your country?
WTF?!? Why did Tiny launch 8 different 0-second redirect windows to try and fuck-up by "Back" button?
Is it just me, or are corporate sites being childish?
p.s. How many of us are already using PGP-Fone?
Well, retroactively extending copyright to then would give Saints Luke and Peter much more incentive to contribute to the useful arts surely?
I dread to think then, what libraries have to pay for the CDs and videos they loan.
Hey, what if that webcam captures some of the original stuff I put on the Web? Isn't that, in itself, copyright infringement?
Sometimes, making copies of stuff for use as evidence or by people working on behalf of a court of law is protected under copyright law (in the UK, for example)
Also, the person infringing copyright would be the person who clicked on the button, not the person who wrote the button. The "copy and report this page" button is a "tool with potential infringement uses", the same as Notepad, Backup or Morpheus
And someone's ebay auction of Linux CDs was blocked by PayPal (i.e. they kept his money rather than forwarding it) until he got a letter signed by microsoft to prove he had permission to copy the software.
I see a new ddos scheme hatching... one whose target involves a web-based-form at FAST's website.
"But you can't report another pirate software page, you've already submitted 32,500 reports within the last minute"
I think some people have started to implement this (a free implementation of the academic journal model) but I wouldn't know where I put the link to it.
Historically, lots of people were pissed that the IEEE took ridiculous amounts of money to pay for peer-reviews of these journals, but that the reviewers themselves got a pittance.
Under the new system, the journals are available free of charge, but access to the journals is forbidden to any organisation which contributes to paid journals. I think there was a voluntary-contribution scheme to reward reviewers more generously than the IEEE, but don't quote me on the details.
This got a lot of attention on slashdot, for the obvious comparaisons between free software and free publishing. (Nov 2001?)
Please post a link if anyone knows more
Let's look at this another way. I don't worry about the government knowing that I exist, how tall I am, what color my eyes are, or how many whirls and whorls my thumbprint has. I'm not a criminal. I don't plan on being one.
As yesterday's quote said:
Once the police have everyone's fingerprints and DNA code on record, they can go to a shop, the scene of a protest, or anywhere, and automatically compile a list of everyone who was there.
If you're not a criminal, you don't need to have secrets, right? (does that remind anyone of the communist party's policy on secrets?)
Here, people have the option to say "screw your driving license", but in America, it seems much more difficult to walk to the shops, not to mention that so many places require a license to identify you that some states are issuing non-drivers-licenses.
If they want to use thumbprints to make the license more difficult to forge, then the state can delete their own copy which is useful only for spying. The copy on the license itself can identify you.
We all agree that terrorism is bad and that it should be fought...
No. We don't. Sorry to expose myself to US mindsets here, but (Terrorist == Soldier) and the only difference is whether the reporting media are on the same side as the combattant, or on the opposing side.
So please, before you condemn the people you consider to be terrorists, bear in mind that most of the world considers Bush/Blair/Sharon to be murderers and terrorists, and that your needling of Israel to kill yet more civillians sickens us.
Okay then. I use MP3s, almost exclusively.
I also buy CDs. According to your post, that would seem strange. Why buy CDs when I can download them?
When I play an MP3, it plays nicely on my computer. It's a similar sound quality (PC == hifi) and displays a cute winamp skin when it plays. Compare this to my many CDs (at £15 each) which skip constantly when they play, and are painful to listen to.
Now, I also copy CDs. I pay the "blank media" tax that caused blank-CD prices to double, and use them to copy bought CDs. Why? Because I have already had to replace shop-bought CDs when they break.
If buying CDs is buying the "intelletcual property" [sic] or "buying a license to play the CD" then who will explain why we pay full price to replace a broken CD, or to replace a tape with a CD, or to replace a CD with the same thing in Hollings-aware secure media player format (r) (tm) (patented)?
CDs suck. You pay for the music, and it breaks within a month. The only way you can play it is to take backups, which is illegal here in England, and may soon become impossible there in america.
If a record company wants me to pay £15 each time a CD of theirs breaks and I need to replace it, why not be up-front with the costs?
Why not be up-front with the costs, charge £45 ($60) per CD and see who buys it then ?!?
Have your cake and eat it, music buffs, watch your
industry get replaced by people who understand technology.
( dKarma / dt > 0 depuis le debut; mod it if you like )
Yeah, that'll help until a million new people with WinModems try to install it, and have to go back to the computer shop before they can even connect to the net.
I can't read that article, the adverts are too distracting. What does it say?
Alternatively, how do you turn off animations in netscape 6.2? Can you block image-servers?
Best start publicising freenet, then. I think freenet contains most of the "scientology copyright" material, and it's designed to be impossible to censor anything.
function SeedFakeEmail($Email)> Please don't email $Email</a></font>";
{
echo "\n<font size=\"-5\" style=\"display:none\"><a
href=\"mailto:$Email\"
}
SeedFakeEmail("uce@ftc.gov");
SeedFakeEmail("listme@dsbl.org");
SeedFakeEmail("hotline@mpaa.org");
SeedFakeEmail("cdreward@riaa.org");
SeedFakeEmail("senator@hollings.senate.gov");
Put that in your pageheader and smoke it!
Especially loved "friends"...
Like hotline@mpaa.org, cdreward@riaa.org, senator@hollings.senate.gov for example?
I don't think blind people would be -that- interested in a skating club...
Of course, that's just an assumption
My PHP spider-trap - See an infinity of email addresses and links in action!
How about they charge you $5 for every thousand spams they delete, and another $5 for every thousand adverts you don't have to sit though?
Mozilla->Right click->Block images from this server
fair enough, they're gonna cut-off POP access to yahoo mail accounts. Not before time; I get 97 spam emails per week and exactly no real emails.
Being one of the first to sign up when yahoo started (owhite@yahoo.com) my email gets a lot of dictionary-attack spam emails, so I've had to stop checking it in the last year anyway. Yahoo are going to stop me reading it from KMail, do I care? No.
Pity though, as I still use Y!chat, Y!Messenger (another AIM) and clubs.yahoo.com for useful things. I suppose it'll all end up distributed open-source soon enough.
I just discovered freeweb. Maybe we can rebuild yahoo clubs on there...
I did this (went to their marketing page) and I got asked for my full account details and password no less than 3 times.
(To put this in perspecive, when I visit yahoo clubs, I type my password exactly no times.)
"Better make sure we check the person is EXACTLY who they say they are, if they're gonna do something we don't want..."
p.s. you can access a yahoo email account through POP access to pop.mail.yahoo.com, although I hear they plan to change this shortly. Yahoo email addresses get hit by so much spam it's ridiculous.
p.p.s. Yahoo webspaces is (or was, last time I checked) available at ftp.geocities.com, for full FTP access.
Yahoo was one of the first big companies on the web, and gave out free email, clubs, and chatrooms before most of us even knew what they were. Yahoo may not be the same now, but let's not forget their place in the history of the internet.