That promise was my point exactly, so i do hope i just misunderstood the wording in their news blurb and nothing really has changed.
On the risk of losing their base due to dumb stunts: RH went thru the same thing, so it IS possible.
"Kubuntu-KDE4 Hardy Alpha is here. There will be two editions of Kubuntu with the 8.04 release, a commercially supported KDE 3 edition and a community supported KDE 4 edition. We recommend the KDE 4 edition to those who want to try this exciting new desktop version and can put up with some missing features."
I fully admit might be misunderstanding what they meant by that comment, but it looks like a lesser featured free version and a full featured commercial version.
I've not seen the same statement for Ubuntu, which is what prompted my question. And i hope i did misunderstand their future direction.
I saw on the Kubuntu pages the other day they are forking into 2 versions, one free ( 'with limited functionality') and a commercial version with 8.04. Is the parent Ubuntu heading that way too? If so, what does it mean long term for KDE support in general for them? ( and if so, what ever happened to their promise to always be free? )
And no, I'm not wanting to start some flame ware on the merits of either choice or licensing. Personally i use FreeBSD and will never have these issues or have to wonder about the future, but i often give out Kubuntu CD's to non techies to get their feet wet in the 'free world' and show them they really do have a choice.
Artist may have to resort to actually PERFORMING in order to make money. Damn shame.
. Real artists do just that. Especially since industry takes most of the revenue from 'music sales', At least for ones that signed up with the industry. Independents don't have that problem and do often sell direct as you suggest. Or at least not get screwed in the process by their label..
While i was 1/2 joking, that means i was 1/2 serious too.
I can see the FBI/etc putting fake websites up for things like crack sites, or security hacking sites as you know if a person goes there they HAVE to intend to do something bad.. How about a fake KKK site, since we all know if you read that you will go out and kill people? What if you bought a book at amazon ( or just searched for one.. ) telling you how to make a machine gun, or a bomb... means you are a terrorist, right?
The fact they are getting away with this means really scary times ahead.
So all you have to do is embed that link and call it something else ( "free music here" ) and get a bunch of people arrested that had no clue and totally wreck their plan.
Seize basically everything in you house over clicking a link? I guess the 4th amendment is next on the list to be struck from the constitution.
Thats the only reason i can see to have that much ram. Unless our current crop of so called programers bloat their code to fill the expansion for yet another worthless feature.
But what if i leave mine open so people can leech off it? Are they still in violation? If not, how am i to know the guy down the street somewhere also didn't intend on the same thing? Its not like i can find his house to walk up and ask....
If the 'art' is actually worth money, then they will get funded by your fans offering. When was the last time you went to a concert, or the theater, or bought music DIRECTLY from an independent artist? Thats one good way for the original artists to get paid. If the 'art' wasn't worth people going to the show, then it was worthless to start with.
Software IP? Well, support isnt free...
Painting? Hard to beat the perceived value of an original over a copy.
IP laws today are more of a blackmail strong arm tactic and should be abolished. In a truly open market, the artists would get their fair share.
1 - Take over all the competition 2 - Piss off your customers with poor service and down right anti-service in some cases 3 - Tell the Feds to take a flying leap when they step in to stop it.
Hey, it worked for Microsoft..
All kidding aside, comcast really needs to be taken down hard, and broken up.
Currently they aren't really a regulated monopoly, just a really damned large company with some FCC regulations. Until they are declared a monopoly by the courts and get strapped with all that fall out, the rules wont really change and they will continue to trample over us consumers.
1 - anti trust suit, due to their gobbling up every mom and pop ISP in sight. 2 - FCC finds other ways to penalize them until they comply. 3 - change the rules.5 - what ever happened to breach of contract being wrong? Class action suit perhaps?
So they are going to determine what files you are sharing first, or are they just cutting off anyone that uses the client, regardless of what they are doing?
All debates aside about IP, there millions of files shared like this with ZERO question of the legitimacy of doing so.
That is true, however the downloading of a torrent might soon be considered 'intent' and authorize search/seizure if your PC and all your backup media.
Its a lot easier to deny a random search/download on something like the ed2k network as you don't know what you are getting until its there.. With the torrent from a well documented place like PB, its pretty much clear what you were doing.
What needs to be done is complete plausible deniability, like is offered on FreeNet with its encrypted local store and communications, but with some sort of multi-homed downloads so it doesn't take months to get a file. ( of course that doesn't help you if you have CDs full of the stuff for backup and you get raided. )
True, but lack of drivers for the latest and greatest devices does make things a bit more difficult and less 'plug and play' for the unwashed masses that wouldn't know NDIS from POO.
( and yes, its a LOT better today then it was even as little as 2 years ago )
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Until the set top box calls the police if it cant see you. I guess then you stick a picture of an empty room in front of it.
That promise was my point exactly, so i do hope i just misunderstood the wording in their news blurb and nothing really has changed. On the risk of losing their base due to dumb stunts: RH went thru the same thing, so it IS possible.
"Kubuntu-KDE4 Hardy Alpha is here. There will be two editions of Kubuntu with the 8.04 release, a commercially supported KDE 3 edition and a community supported KDE 4 edition. We recommend the KDE 4 edition to those who want to try this exciting new desktop version and can put up with some missing features."
( https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha5/KubuntuKDE4 )
I fully admit might be misunderstanding what they meant by that comment, but it looks like a lesser featured free version and a full featured commercial version.
I've not seen the same statement for Ubuntu, which is what prompted my question. And i hope i did misunderstand their future direction.
Charging for support/consulting is something that money can be made on. You don't have to cripple your product in the process.
I saw on the Kubuntu pages the other day they are forking into 2 versions, one free ( 'with limited functionality') and a commercial version with 8.04. Is the parent Ubuntu heading that way too? If so, what does it mean long term for KDE support in general for them? ( and if so, what ever happened to their promise to always be free? )
And no, I'm not wanting to start some flame ware on the merits of either choice or licensing. Personally i use FreeBSD and will never have these issues or have to wonder about the future, but i often give out Kubuntu CD's to non techies to get their feet wet in the 'free world' and show them they really do have a choice.
Artist may have to resort to actually PERFORMING in order to make money. Damn shame.
While i was 1/2 joking, that means i was 1/2 serious too.
I can see the FBI/etc putting fake websites up for things like crack sites, or security hacking sites as you know if a person goes there they HAVE to intend to do something bad.. How about a fake KKK site, since we all know if you read that you will go out and kill people? What if you bought a book at amazon ( or just searched for one.. ) telling you how to make a machine gun, or a bomb... means you are a terrorist, right?
The fact they are getting away with this means really scary times ahead.
Its not really details of how it works, its a FBI sting to get people that are intent on learning 'forbidden knowledge".
If it wasn't 'for the children'.
So all you have to do is embed that link and call it something else ( "free music here" ) and get a bunch of people arrested that had no clue and totally wreck their plan.
Seize basically everything in you house over clicking a link? I guess the 4th amendment is next on the list to be struck from the constitution.
Thats the only reason i can see to have that much ram. Unless our current crop of so called programers bloat their code to fill the expansion for yet another worthless feature.
Perhaps not technically 100%, but you can expect a reasonable level of privacy/anonymity in public.
This could destroy that.
But what if i leave mine open so people can leech off it? Are they still in violation? If not, how am i to know the guy down the street somewhere also didn't intend on the same thing? Its not like i can find his house to walk up and ask....
If the 'art' is actually worth money, then they will get funded by your fans offering. When was the last time you went to a concert, or the theater, or bought music DIRECTLY from an independent artist? Thats one good way for the original artists to get paid. If the 'art' wasn't worth people going to the show, then it was worthless to start with.
Software IP? Well, support isnt free...
Painting? Hard to beat the perceived value of an original over a copy.
IP laws today are more of a blackmail strong arm tactic and should be abolished. In a truly open market, the artists would get their fair share.
1 - Take over all the competition
2 - Piss off your customers with poor service and down right anti-service in some cases
3 - Tell the Feds to take a flying leap when they step in to stop it.
Hey, it worked for Microsoft..
All kidding aside, comcast really needs to be taken down hard, and broken up.
Would mean they cant do anything they wanted.
Currently they aren't really a regulated monopoly, just a really damned large company with some FCC regulations. Until they are declared a monopoly by the courts and get strapped with all that fall out, the rules wont really change and they will continue to trample over us consumers.
1 - anti trust suit, due to their gobbling up every mom and pop ISP in sight. .5 - what ever happened to breach of contract being wrong? Class action suit perhaps?
2 - FCC finds other ways to penalize them until they comply.
3 - change the rules
If this isn't a perfect example of a slippery slope in action and why you cant trust the government, i don't know what is.
One more step down the road of total control of the citizens.
When you choose a 60gb flash over a 60gb HD, you lose quite a bit of it.
So they are going to determine what files you are sharing first, or are they just cutting off anyone that uses the client, regardless of what they are doing?
All debates aside about IP, there millions of files shared like this with ZERO question of the legitimacy of doing so.
I check every so often on their progress, but haven't yet on .7, which from what you describe its pretty promising.
Now, if we can just get all the content to move up there.
Morally I see nothing wrong with non profit piracy myself, so i could care less about any potential legality of it.
Non Profit piracy should not be punished. IP Laws should be abolished. That would solve the problem.
That is true, however the downloading of a torrent might soon be considered 'intent' and authorize search/seizure if your PC and all your backup media.
Its a lot easier to deny a random search/download on something like the ed2k network as you don't know what you are getting until its there.. With the torrent from a well documented place like PB, its pretty much clear what you were doing.
What needs to be done is complete plausible deniability, like is offered on FreeNet with its encrypted local store and communications, but with some sort of multi-homed downloads so it doesn't take months to get a file. ( of course that doesn't help you if you have CDs full of the stuff for backup and you get raided. )
True, but lack of drivers for the latest and greatest devices does make things a bit more difficult and less 'plug and play' for the unwashed masses that wouldn't know NDIS from POO.
( and yes, its a LOT better today then it was even as little as 2 years ago )