You dont get it, the fact this sort of nonsence is even happenng at all is a sign we are slowly turning into a police state. ( and its frequency is increasing )
The fear of being harassed by the 'state' is what a police state is all about. Having to conform to the expected, guard your words, speak to no one you dont trust, where everyone is a 'spy'. One doesn't have to be carried off to detainment ( or shot ) every time to instill fear in the people. Do YOU want to be ruffed up by the cops? I doubt it.
You see, if *everyone* is assumed to be either guilty ( copyright infringement, etc ) or about to become guilty ( terrorist, dangerous wierdo, etc ) then its easier for the government to strip us of our rights and control us.
Give me a break. he's the only one out there that thinks he's above the rest of us. You ever read his writings? Do you know why he was kicked off the NetBSD team? ( or even that he was? )
If not, then id suggest you go find out before you make a fool of yourself again. Sure, he's a really smart guy that has done a lot of great work, but Theo has an attitude, and he admits it freely.
My wifi hasn't burped once since i swtiched from a 'home router' to a old pc running some sort of linux or bsd distribution ( i finally settled on pfsence, since im a bsd guy and m0n0wall wasnt keeping up with technology, but the linux choices are just as good )
"Very few Slashdotters, as far as I can tell, actually endorse piracy outright."
Many of us do.
Oh, and dont just blame the US, other countries are doing the same thing in the opposite direction, about copyright and what is considered valid freespeech, or even the 2nd amendment. its all about the WTO and the 'new common world order' concept. Least common denominator.
"majority of its readers, are on the side of the Pirate Bay"
And why shouldn't we? The industry is harassing a entity in a DIFFERENT COUNTRY for doing things that ARE LEGAL there. No different then us supporting someone's freespeech here who is being harassed by, lets say Australia. ( another recent story here )
Or do you suppprt some corporate entity enforcing their perverse ideas onto people somewhere else, and acting like they are some sort of twisted law enforcement arm?
And if you truly believe that copyright piracy really makes a dent in the obscene profits they make by shaking down and intimidating the artists, then you got your facts a bit backwards and are buying into the falsehoods being spread by the industry.
The legal system being corrupt does not make it extortion. Thats like saying that because the war on drugs is corrupt its ok to smoke weed. "because its right". Its still illegal, regardless of how anyone feels.
While the legal system still acknowledges that the concept of IP is valid, and it holds that they own those rights, then its not extortion to demand payment for its use.. You have a right to treaten *legal* recourse for a violation of your *legal* rights.
Now, if its eventually declared that IP isn't a legit concept, or that they really dont own the rights, then we have a problem, but until then, its just a legal irritant..
Oh, and its their choice to be dependent on the 'windows codebase'. They *did* have another option. They *chose* to acept the liability and restrictions. Perhaps next time they will choose another option that doesnt hold their checkbook ( and data ) hostage.
And verify it how? WIth the ISPs records? Thats the only way you can validate it. with records from the same people that gave it to you ( and botched ) it in the first place.
Im sorry, if the ISP gave them bad information, its their ISP's fault in this case.
And yes, i agree it does help show that just having an IP and a date isnt a good case to stand on, but its not their fault when they asked for data from the ISP involved.
From what the summary says, they were given incorrect information. Information they should have been albe to trust and act upon. So really its the ISP's fault for fingering the wrong guy. ( and they should be liable for damages/cost of defence )
Sure, i hate the the 'industry' as much as the next guy, but this isnt exactally a victory here.
And the FreeBSD people dont? Or NetBSD? Or K/Ubuntu? Its his work, and its his choice, but i also agree with many its a bit of an 'elitist' attitude, that really isnt necessary.
Its not about the cost, its about the attitude.
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I think this got mis-categorized.
You dont get it, the fact this sort of nonsence is even happenng at all is a sign we are slowly turning into a police state. ( and its frequency is increasing )
The fear of being harassed by the 'state' is what a police state is all about. Having to conform to the expected, guard your words, speak to no one you dont trust, where everyone is a 'spy'. One doesn't have to be carried off to detainment ( or shot ) every time to instill fear in the people. Do YOU want to be ruffed up by the cops? I doubt it.
You see, if *everyone* is assumed to be either guilty ( copyright infringement, etc ) or about to become guilty ( terrorist, dangerous wierdo, etc ) then its easier for the government to strip us of our rights and control us.
Its starting to sound like the old USSR more and more every day.
Give me a break. he's the only one out there that thinks he's above the rest of us. You ever read his writings? Do you know why he was kicked off the NetBSD team? ( or even that he was? )
If not, then id suggest you go find out before you make a fool of yourself again. Sure, he's a really smart guy that has done a lot of great work, but Theo has an attitude, and he admits it freely.
My wifi hasn't burped once since i swtiched from a 'home router' to a old pc running some sort of linux or bsd distribution ( i finally settled on pfsence, since im a bsd guy and m0n0wall wasnt keeping up with technology, but the linux choices are just as good )
Only problem is that many of us ( not me, thankfully ) have metered internet at home. This could seriously rasise your internet bill.
You are correct, it isnt legal there, but Pirate Bay didnt violate any copyright laws. They are a *link* service, thats all.
( now, ha one of their operators done this at home, who knows, but that isnt the issue here. )
"Very few Slashdotters, as far as I can tell, actually endorse piracy outright."
Many of us do.
Oh, and dont just blame the US, other countries are doing the same thing in the opposite direction, about copyright and what is considered valid freespeech, or even the 2nd amendment. its all about the WTO and the 'new common world order' concept. Least common denominator.
Its enough to convict someone if there is enough of a motive to back up a disappearance and blood spots.
"majority of its readers, are on the side of the Pirate Bay"
And why shouldn't we? The industry is harassing a entity in a DIFFERENT COUNTRY for doing things that ARE LEGAL there. No different then us supporting someone's freespeech here who is being harassed by, lets say Australia. ( another recent story here )
Or do you suppprt some corporate entity enforcing their perverse ideas onto people somewhere else, and acting like they are some sort of twisted law enforcement arm?
And if you truly believe that copyright piracy really makes a dent in the obscene profits they make by shaking down and intimidating the artists, then you got your facts a bit backwards and are buying into the falsehoods being spread by the industry.
Better include a large check when you ask, or you will be ignored.
Unlike the *aa's which are making large payments, as we slowly move to having the government step in and take over policing a CIVIL issue.
Once you make most everyone a criminal, they are easier to control.
This is a joke, right?
If someone offends you, just close the damned window. Or walk away from the PC.
geesh
"Other countries don't necessarily have copyright protection for as long time."
Actually, if they are a member of the WTO, they do. They just may not realize it yet.
This is not about if i agree with the law or not, I'm only stating it IS law. Like it or not, until its changed thats the way it is.
Actually, i DO agree the laws are wrong ( in both cases, thats why i used the drug example ), but that doesnt make them magically go away.
And your point? I never said booth didnt commit a crime, did i? Patriots often do. Laws are secondary to the end goal.
That doesnt negate the potential legal ramifications of their actions.
The legal system being corrupt does not make it extortion. Thats like saying that because the war on drugs is corrupt its ok to smoke weed. "because its right". Its still illegal, regardless of how anyone feels.
While the legal system still acknowledges that the concept of IP is valid, and it holds that they own those rights, then its not extortion to demand payment for its use.. You have a right to treaten *legal* recourse for a violation of your *legal* rights.
Now, if its eventually declared that IP isn't a legit concept, or that they really dont own the rights, then we have a problem, but until then, its just a legal irritant..
Oh, and its their choice to be dependent on the 'windows codebase'. They *did* have another option. They *chose* to acept the liability and restrictions. Perhaps next time they will choose another option that doesnt hold their checkbook ( and data ) hostage.
And verify it how? WIth the ISPs records? Thats the only way you can validate it. with records from the same people that gave it to you ( and botched ) it in the first place.
Im sorry, if the ISP gave them bad information, its their ISP's fault in this case.
And yes, i agree it does help show that just having an IP and a date isnt a good case to stand on, but its not their fault when they asked for data from the ISP involved.
Exactally.
So tell me again, we want this to run on *nix, why?
( and i wouldnt call it "extortion" if they really do own the IP rights.. its a licensing payment.. at least call it what it is. )
How is it the *AA's mistake?
From what the summary says, they were given incorrect information. Information they should have been albe to trust and act upon. So really its the ISP's fault for fingering the wrong guy. ( and they should be liable for damages/cost of defence )
Sure, i hate the the 'industry' as much as the next guy, but this isnt exactally a victory here.
More like 'oops, wrong person'. Not their fault they were given the wrong information.
Even without any 'technical holes' there will still be bad people doing bad things
..
Might not need as large of a industry, but it wouldn't just go poof
Sure, why should our laws that protect our freedom matter when you in another country are pissed off at us?
Sounds like the WTO to me. Breaking down sovereign borders and creating one lowest common denominator world.
But that is a 'fork', so to speak. Its not 'official'.
Its all about semantics.
And the FreeBSD people dont? Or NetBSD? Or K/Ubuntu? Its his work, and its his choice, but i also agree with many its a bit of an 'elitist' attitude, that really isnt necessary. Its not about the cost, its about the attitude.