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OpenBSD 4.1 Released
adstro writes to quote from the BSD mailing list: "We are pleased to announce the official release of OpenBSD 4.1. This is our 21st release on CD-ROM (and 22nd via FTP). We remain proud of OpenBSD's record of ten years with only two remote holes in the default install. As in our previous releases, 4.1 provides significant improvements, including new features, in nearly all areas of the system."
My OpenBSD firewall box is several years old now (version 3.x), just keeps working and probably will until the 8yo hardware finally dies. Although I'm interested in the features in 4.1, and congratulate the developers on what'll doubtless be another good release, ultimately I'll probably stick with my existing setup. I *love* OpenBSD, for precisely one reason; it does what it's supposed to, and in my experience it *never* fails. However, I'm very unlikely to upgrade to any new version; why change something that works perfectly?
For those of you using OpenBSD, how many of you are in a similar situation?
Yea, but does it run Linux? Oh wait....
Horns are really just a broken halo.
so does this mean when i install my bick OS which defaults to turning off your NIC's, i will be able to claim my security is better then anyones?
If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
Why not a link to the .iso download page in the article?
(Yes, that was annoyed sarcasm). I'd rather donate to the project and download an image than get one shipped, I can't believe OpenBSD is still refusing to provide Official ISOs.
Why do we care, because now people can use the code hex09f91102... oh have we moved on already?
No idea, they make a nice SSH program though.
My little Linux and tech blog
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0 cd41.iso
Thief!
Digg dies, OpenBSD is alive.
Go quickly to the gunstore for the rapture approaches and you are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Yaay, it's raining here in Seattle :-)
You mustn't exclude the OpenBSD 4.1 Release song from this article!
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http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html
ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/songs/song41.mp
I notice the usual contemptible morons have come out of the woodwork with the usual trollish garbage that they routinely attach to any article here referring to the BSDs.
I have to ask, Linux users...when are you going to stop making yourselves so easy to hate?
The OpenBSD 4.1 Release Song can be found at the OpenBSD Multimedia Resources List.
:-)
The list is using the same sources as the other *BSDs Multimedia Resources Lists
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How much of those significant improvements were lifted from GPLed software on the sly?
Of course it does.
It runs Linux binaries directly, like all the BSDs.
It also has Qemu, Bochs, BasiliskII, GXEmul, etc. in ports, on which Linux will no-doubt run.
Insert "In Soviet Russia" "Beowulf Cluster" "I read that as" "??? Profit" and any other completely mindless
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It is not rainning in Sea... Oh never mind.
Well, if that is the case then I must be that kid in the movies because I see dead OSs on lots of my servers.
We prefer the less prejorative term "infrinja".
I setup an OpenBSD box about 3 years ago. It has multiple gigE's and processes a reasonably tough load of network traffic 24 hours a day, even today. It has never ever crashed! it is not just crash proof, it simply doesn't give any other problems of any kind whatsover, heck I dont even know what to write in this darned comment!
Thanks for this. OpenBSD is rock solid!
This is my sig. There are thousands more, but this one is mine.
That would be a gruesome way to die.
But.... does it have UAC?
In Soviet Russia, Linux runs OpenBSD!
While I hear great things about OpenBSD, and realize it is for a niche market where stability and security are the number one concern, it seems to me that more people would check it out and use it, if not for this policy:
"The OpenBSD project does not make the ISO images used to master the official CDs available for download. The reason is simply that we would like you to buy the CD sets to help fund ongoing OpenBSD development. The official OpenBSD CD-ROM layout is copyright Theo de Raadt. Theo does not permit people to redistribute images of the official OpenBSD CDs. As an incentive for people to buy the CD set, some extras are included in the package as well (artwork, stickers etc).
Note that only the CD layout is copyrighted, OpenBSD itself is free. Nothing precludes someone else from downloading OpenBSD and making their own CD. If for some reason you want to download a CD image, try searching the mailing list archives for possible sources. Of course, any OpenBSD ISO images available on the Internet either violate Theo de Raadt's copyright or are not official images. The source of an unofficial image may or may not be trustworthy; it is up to you to determine this for yourself."
Now, FTP installs are pretty slick in these days of prevalent high speed; still, it seems a bit silly and arbitrary to intentionally restrict ISO distribution, to try and sell a few discs. The people who are willing to pay, would buy regardless of a free ISO being available (corporations and IT departments like having the official discs, and such).
I guess more than anything, this policy stikes me as a bit of "attitude", which turns me off the distribution, more than the mild inconvenience of not having ISO's readily available.
Love many, trust a few, do harm to none.
No, but in Soviet Russia you can make OpenBSD boxes out of a Beowulf Cluster.
I really like OpenBSD except for, they don't make their own ISO images, they disown you if you install Edgy and er .. they don't make their own ISO images .. :)
davecb5620@gmail.com
>It also has Qemu,
But no kqemu; so I'll stick with Linux, FreeBSD or Solaris; all of which have proper kernel support for Qemu.
>Bochs,
Ewwwwww, that's disgusting! I thought with Qemu we had managed to finally put bochs out of our misery.
And then mod down posts that say something positive.
was (Score:1, No sense of humor)
davecb5620@gmail.com
LOL! Another 'slashdot moderation', based on the same b.s. as it was here:
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http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=233061&th
I will quote verbatim from it, for your reference:
"Rate it any way you like, but this merely indicates YOU moderator, are just a Pro-Unix (& knock offs) fan of UNIX, period, who aids in compounding myths about Windows to attempt to stop others from using it, and this, is misinformation.
LOL, Mr. Moderator: Your omitting disputing my points above says it all for me.
How was I "off topic"?
I quoted the person speaking and addressed his points - how is that "off topic"? I was completely ON TOPIC, quoting him and replying to his points!
Give us a break, slashdot pro-Unix and derivants mod, you are not fooling anyone!"
ROTFLMAO! Except this time, you rated me down for "trolling"... how is a post trolling anyone, or anything, if it is in DIRECT response to someone's words, quoted?
The explanation for my being modded down -1, is one I will NEVER see (but it won't be the first time I have seen that. Cowards always back stab & run, don't they?)
Has it ever crossed your mind, that maybe nobody is donating to OpenBSD, because nobody is using it? You are mixing up reason and cause. If the OpenBSD developers choose to make it difficult for interested users to get a copy of OpenBSD running, then people won't. And certainly few people are hot about buying the cat in the bag.
Well, yes. The OpenBSD commercial CD-ROM images are not about "donations" - they are a product. And OpenBSD currently hasn't the benefit of the well proven, nice and shiny package on the shelf. Most potential Linux converts see it as a gamble, and not just another distribution to give a try. And in my personal opinion, the ISO donation scheme appears a little like tricking people into something. Yes, I'm sorry.
That being said, the net installation is working quite fine. If the release notes weren't as obsessed with promoting the commercial ISOs and mentioned how easy and fast the FTP installation actually is - maybe I'd might have tried OpenBSD a few releases earlier. And maybe, if I get it running, I actually donate a few bucks. (And no, 50 is too much - for _ME_.)
However, dear OpenBSD developer, understand, that nobody will ever donate BEFORE having tried it out. Not likely.
I've had a look at OpenBSD and while it is indeed very encouraging to have an OS that is secure without tweaking, as opposed to one where you have to know about, and disable, everything that could be a risk, there are still a few things that trouble me. a)If you want to follow the stable branch you need to compile from source. The OpenBSD developers correctly discourage you from compiling from source as it is more likely to break things, yet it is required for teh stable branch, which is annoying. b)The install is a bit complicated, especially if you are going to compile from source ( which you have to if you want to follow the stable branch ). There is quite a lot of work required here to get a system that is "secure by default". c)The price of the CD images. Yes, I know this is in order to fund the project, but it only really affects new users since those who have been using OpenBSD for some time are probably fine with the net-install or will donate money anyway. This policy hits new users, and if you don't really want to spend a lot of money on a system just to try it, this leaves you with an even more complicated install procedure. Maybe it could be an idea to have a "minimal" install CD for the very basics of the system, and then charge for the rest of the stuff. Most of these problems seem to be down to limited resources rather than the capabilities of the OpenBSD team. I don't really care much about the license policy, because quite frankly its their project and they are free to license it as they like. Personally I prefer the GPL for things I would write myself, but as a user having less restrictions is never a bad thing. All in all it's a nice project and I will probably try it out once I get some more experience with *NIX systems. For now I will stick with my Debian install however.
Elegy For *BSD
I am a *BSD user
and I try hard to be brave
That is a tall order
*BSD's foot is in the grave.
I tap at my toy keyboard
and whistle a happy tune
but keeping happy's so hard,
*BSD died so soon.
Each day I wake and softly sob
Nightfall finds me crying
Not only am I a zit faced slob
but *BSD is dying.
Personally, I rated you back up a point, though I somewhat regret doing so now that I read this.
It's a mistake to view moderators as some kind of Borg collective.
It's an even bigger mistake to try and pick an argument with 'Mr. Moderator'.
It'll always be a different mod, (who has no idea of your past experience) especially when you're posting as AC.
As for why you probably got down-rated, you took a somewhat arrogant and argumentative tone (you're not alone in doing so, mind you), and while some of your arguments were sound -- I found the NASDAQ information to be very interesting -- some weren't. For example, citing WHQL drivers, for those of us who've struggled with crashing BSOD WHQL-certified drivers riddled with security holes is decidedly unpersuasive.
My respectful advice? Think seriously about what you post, especially if you're going for a long post. Choose your best 3 or so arguments, and don't assume those you're talking to are ignorant or unaware.
Consider that the value of slashdot is as a self-regulating community, not a disparate bunch of little flame wars.
Does anyone know the status of OpenBSD as a guest OS under Xen? Are we likely to see this any time soon?
You're a real "Command Line Warrior" alright, getting stuck "editing cylinder limit things". Not only can't you use disklabel, even though a complete guide/walkthrough for using it (as well as the rest of the install) is provided on the site, but you also can't even figure out what its for. You don't edit cylinder limits you dumbass, you create partitions.
Its running inetd by default, which has ident, daytime and time running and accepting remote connections. Considering how the inetd used in popular linux distros before xineted, as well as xineted have had numerous holes, I think openbsd is doing pretty good.
A truly proactive OS that sticks to their objectives.
Well, it is Theo remember.. what else would you expect?
---- Booth was a patriot ----
And the FreeBSD people dont? Or NetBSD? Or K/Ubuntu? Its his work, and its his choice, but i also agree with many its a bit of an 'elitist' attitude, that really isnt necessary. Its not about the cost, its about the attitude.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
In my experience (using Qemu on FreeBSD), kqemu doesn't provide even a noticeable performance improvement, even with the recent "-kernel-kqemu" improvements... Perhaps disk I/O is so much of a bottleneck that the virtual CPU doesn't really get maxed-out often?
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It seems to help the most under Linux, as far as I can tell; it helps somewhat under solaris and freebsd (but not as much) and doesn't help at all under windows.
I've tried using qemu (without kqemu) under netbsd, and it was (to me) noticibly slow enough that I simply wasn't able to put up with it.
You prolly mean this song:
Join us now and break the software
You'll be free, hacker, you'll be free..
Or something.
at a web site near you!
Bruce Willis is dead.
Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
OpenBSD will have a kqemu lkm in 2 or 3 weeks from now.
Slashdot is dying.. Netcraft confirms it... /. anymore - if all I can see here is the latest linux and microsoft nonsense. /. has been coopted by corporate whores feeding us only what they want us to hear, everything remotely useful is hidden off in pathetic little gulags of "non-mainstream" categories - where
When osnews and undeadly have all this stuff a day before anything even shows up here, what's the freaking point of
non-mainstream is anything that isn't that wouldn't be directly of interest to microsoft bashers, linux sycophants, or gamers - I might as well be watching CNN or Fox, or Goosociatedpressle News. "News for Nerds - Stuff that matters" has become "News for Posers - Stuff that makes the site look cool"