Are you guys serious? Okay SPAM is annoying but that company were talking about looks like a legit marketing company, acting under an official name, there's their adress, phone number and all the stuff.
All spammers try to look legit. Who cares if they have a spiffy name and a phone number. Give me $100 and I can get a company name a box at MBE and a answering service, it does not mean that I am a 'legit marketing company'.
Personnally, this FUD anti-spam buzz is soon to cost us our business (wich is a worker's cooperative, one of the rare "politically correct" company in Americas). This insanity gave us horrors like Spamcop (wich is nothing but a company that takes profit from SPAM). Worse, now we got blacklisted on Spamcop by concurrents for a single business offer with our full contact information on it. Awww. Did little spammer boy get his pee-pee wacked? Take the hint, no one wants your spam. If you bizness is going to go under because you can't spam, it most likely wasn't too good of a company in the fisrt place.
Don't be confused! I hate forged SPAM as you do but I don't put all my eggs in the same basket as you do. It's time that you bright geeks gets a cue about who those anti-spam laws and measures are really hurting: legitimate businesses. As long as the internet will be this way, there will be no laws or systems stopping russian porn providers from filling up your mailbox. But on the other side, many of your employers will bankrupt because there afraid to do a marketing campain. Let me say again: If your company needs to spam to survive, it wasn't going to survive in the first place. Anti-spam laws only hurt spammers. I have yet to hear anyone cry this much about an anti-spam law that was not a spammer.
I know several people who have had to set up a whitelist and dump everything else. It is a good filter. But, it is not very workable. It is too much work to get the system working. I have a hard enough time getting people to not send HTML mail, much less get those same people to PGP all emails.
Plus, this really won't work for businesses and any group that needs to get emails from outsiders.
If you were to tell any business that they would lose 1% of all legit emails, they would (most likely) not allow you to put up the filter. For end users, like you and me, that might be ok. But for any one who need reliable communication (well, as reliable as email can be) losing 1% is a lot.
Plus, spammers do have ways around filters. Base64 encoding, bogus html tags, and other tricks like spelling 'penis' like 'pen1s' or spelling 'viagra' as 'v-i-a-g-r-a'.
Why should we treat SPAM differently than the rest of email? Yes it sucks, but we can always filter it. We do not need legislation to save the inbox. We need common sense.
Please show me a mail filter that blocks spam but allows legit mail to pass.
As far as why we need regulation is simple:
We asked the spammers to stop spamming us. They just kept spamming.
We tried to block the from address of spammers. They just started forging from addresses.
We tried filtering based on the subject line. They just made them unfilterable with hash-busters and generic subjects.
We tried to block the spammers IPs. They just started hijacking open relays and proxies.
CowboyNeal's IMB AT can only handle one logged in user at a time. This is the only thing that has spared the poor box from being the epicenter of a raging cluster fsck.
I had salad for lunch and dinner yesterday. Lots of leafy greens. This mornings turd was an unusual shape; it was kinda flat. I have no clue as to what that means. It was also an olive green color with little bits of black. The black bits were black olives that didn't digest quite right. It did have the dirt smell to it, but there was a bit more 'funk' to it. The poo was very soft and came out slowly, but easily. It flushed well and clean up was not a big problem. I rate this turd as an 8.
It does matter. Everyone likes to think that Elcomsoft are a bunch of "Internet Freedom Fighters" who are just trying to free us form the oppressive government. But, when you look at everything they make, you start to see them for what they are. A company that makes programs that are designed to do 'bad things'. Or, maybe you don't mind if spammers come thru your web site and scrape every email address off of it and start selling it on the next "200 Million Email Addresses" CD?
If you think that Elcomsoft is doing this for your rights, you are sadly mistaken. They are a company; they are doing this so they can make $. If it just happens to effect your rights, that is just coincidence.
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I have had some exelent urd lately. I ate a spinach salad for lunch and a 1/2 lb burger at Mosley Burger, in Herndon. The mornings turd was a two stage turd. The first was small. Very disapointing. But, 10 minutees later, the main turd arived. It was pretty big, about 18 inches. It was a deep green-black in color. There was a sharp dirt smell in the air. Clean up was not too bad, but not the easiest. It flushed well. I rate these turds as 4 and 8.
It figures Micheal (and the whole/. staff) do not like this invention, as it puts a dent in their child-predatory behavior.
Actually, once they figure out the signal they will be able to tri-angulate the exact location of the vict^H^H^H^H child and swoop in. They are already rigging up the Slashdot Cruiser. Katz is greasing up his 'gimp' outfit as I type this. There is going to be some hard core OSS lovin' tonite.
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Let all the "M$ is a virus, d00d!!1!" posts begin!
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All spammers try to look legit. Who cares if they have a spiffy name and a phone number. Give me $100 and I can get a company name a box at MBE and a answering service, it does not mean that I am a 'legit marketing company'.
Personnally, this FUD anti-spam buzz is soon to cost us our business (wich is a worker's cooperative, one of the rare "politically correct" company in Americas). This insanity gave us horrors like Spamcop (wich is nothing but a company that takes profit from SPAM). Worse, now we got blacklisted on Spamcop by concurrents for a single business offer with our full contact information on it.
Awww. Did little spammer boy get his pee-pee wacked? Take the hint, no one wants your spam. If you bizness is going to go under because you can't spam, it most likely wasn't too good of a company in the fisrt place.
Don't be confused! I hate forged SPAM as you do but I don't put all my eggs in the same basket as you do. It's time that you bright geeks gets a cue about who those anti-spam laws and measures are really hurting: legitimate businesses. As long as the internet will be this way, there will be no laws or systems stopping russian porn providers from filling up your mailbox. But on the other side, many of your employers will bankrupt because there afraid to do a marketing campain.
Let me say again: If your company needs to spam to survive, it wasn't going to survive in the first place. Anti-spam laws only hurt spammers. I have yet to hear anyone cry this much about an anti-spam law that was not a spammer.
Plus, this really won't work for businesses and any group that needs to get emails from outsiders.
Plus, spammers do have ways around filters. Base64 encoding, bogus html tags, and other tricks like spelling 'penis' like 'pen1s' or spelling 'viagra' as 'v-i-a-g-r-a'.
Please show me a mail filter that blocks spam but allows legit mail to pass.
As far as why we need regulation is simple:
We asked the spammers to stop spamming us.
They just kept spamming.
We tried to block the from address of spammers.
They just started forging from addresses.
We tried filtering based on the subject line.
They just made them unfilterable with hash-busters and generic subjects.
We tried to block the spammers IPs.
They just started hijacking open relays and proxies.
And it just goes on and on.
Quick! Go to the old story and repost all the +5 comments as your own!
No. I don't have the time or inclination to do that. Sorry.
I had salad for lunch and dinner yesterday. Lots of leafy greens. This mornings turd was an unusual shape; it was kinda flat. I have no clue as to what that means. It was also an olive green color with little bits of black. The black bits were black olives that didn't digest quite right. It did have the dirt smell to it, but there was a bit more 'funk' to it. The poo was very soft and came out slowly, but easily. It flushed well and clean up was not a big problem. I rate this turd as an 8.
Isn't that kinda like saying you support some dictator because he makes the trains run on time?
It does matter. Everyone likes to think that Elcomsoft are a bunch of "Internet Freedom Fighters" who are just trying to free us form the oppressive government. But, when you look at everything they make, you start to see them for what they are. A company that makes programs that are designed to do 'bad things'. Or, maybe you don't mind if spammers come thru your web site and scrape every email address off of it and start selling it on the next "200 Million Email Addresses" CD?
If you think that Elcomsoft is doing this for your rights, you are sadly mistaken. They are a company; they are doing this so they can make $. If it just happens to effect your rights, that is just coincidence.
massmail.ru is a Elcomsoft site that sells spam software. Thanks guys!
And, now that more spammers are (ab)using CONNECT proxies and open formmail scripts, tracking spammers will be nearly impossible.
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Hmmm... Then there wouldn't be anyone to post stories.
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playing along? Suuuure you were.
I have had some exelent urd lately. I ate a spinach salad for lunch and a 1/2 lb burger at Mosley Burger, in Herndon. The mornings turd was a two stage turd. The first was small. Very disapointing. But, 10 minutees later, the main turd arived. It was pretty big, about 18 inches. It was a deep green-black in color. There was a sharp dirt smell in the air. Clean up was not too bad, but not the easiest. It flushed well. I rate these turds as 4 and 8.
Is it also covered in crap, like a linux loving hippies beard?
Actually, once they figure out the signal they will be able to tri-angulate the exact location of the vict^H^H^H^H child and swoop in. They are already rigging up the Slashdot Cruiser. Katz is greasing up his 'gimp' outfit as I type this. There is going to be some hard core OSS lovin' tonite.
I didn't think that CowboiNeal was black.