The *cost* is wildly relative to your own health insurance. I was quoted something like 10 grand without insurance but ended up paying I think about 1900 after all said and done through insurance.
I'd budget at least a week off, and preferably surgery on friday so you can take the 2 weekends as well to recover. You literally don't sleep for 4 days after the surgery. The problem is you can't breath through your nose if you have the deviated septum part done. And breathing through your mouth will dry it out in a matter of minutes. (The nose is self moisturising). Now add in surgically repaired tissue in your mouth/throat and you can see where you're not having a real fun time;-)
The Lortab Elixir med is what I used. It would knock me out for 6 hours at a clip..but not actual sleep, just unconscious. And waking up I'd need to start sipping water slowly to remoisten things.
I'd have to agree...having been through a sleep test, I don't know how someone who is having trouble sleeping would *ever* get to sleep during one of those.
I fall asleep easy and sleep hard so for me it was ok, but still only got about 4 hours of decent sleep while there.
that sounds like sleep apnea...however I barely registered on the charts for that.
My problem was simply my snoring was so bad my oxygen saturation levels were in the range they'd expect for a 50+ year old man...and I was only 27.
I had my tonsils out, deviated septum reparied, part of my softpallete removed, and a bunch of extra tissue removed from the back of my mouth.
I did it all at once and it's the only way to do it...it's a pain in the 'neck' for a week literally but worth it. Ended up losing like 20 lbs. Had surgery on 12/17 and the first real meal I ate afterwards was the 26th. you seriously don't want to eat much while it's healing.
Get 'Lortab Elixir' for your medication if you can. They tried to give me pills for pain and sleeping afterwards and I'm like, um I just had throat surgery, I am *not* swallowing anything solid! That Lortab stuff knocks your ass out for 6 hours straight...good stuff:)
My favorite thing about the sleep test was being plugged into an old SCSI-1 port;-)
Seriously though, I really don't dream, and I know from doctors that it's not that I don't remember them. I had a condition where my blood oxygen content while sleeping (snoring Baaaaaadly) was too low for REM sleep.
Fixed now, but it's a rarity that I have a dream still. Sort of explains why high school was a fog though...
I take it that the 'nyud.net' master domain actually gets the requests for the various sub domains? Since obviously blah.blah.nyud.net URL wouldn't have a DNS entry, at least not at first anyway, right?
so I'll bite...how exactly does the Coral Cache work? can't seem to load any pages that way from here anyway. Looked at the wikipedia entry, and on the main site page, neither offer much suggestion other than it's easy and 'just works'.
Might my office firewall be blocking port 8090? is that a common ailment of using Coral Cache?
Does BeyondTV also do the 'continuous recording' of whatever channel happens to be tuned at the moment like Tivo does? (just keeping a 30 min buffer available at all times)
And related...does the 'Standby Mode' you leave it in, mean the computer, as in it's powered down in sleep mode?
Or I suppose is there at least an option to have it do continuous recording?
so technically I have every right to watch HBO or tivo it for later viewing
Technically you have every right to watch it in the manner that they deem acceptable; with the exception of timeshifting. The Supreme's haven't ruled that going to BlockBuster and taking Season 1 of 'Rome' out for free is 'timeshifting', this is no different.
Oh wait, yes it is...in this case (or at least most people using Bittorrent) people are actively 'uploading' the show. This is the big legal problem. Downloading hasn't so far been the target of lawsuits or whatever, it's the uploading and sharing of copyrighted material that is not yours to share that's the problem.
There is a 'scarce' good here. It's the ability to hear the music well after the fact of its performance.
Prior to recordable audio mediums, the only way to hear music was live. Now there's the ability to hear it later.
I find it fascinating that the internet/computers have made this 'scarce' good largely un-scarce given the easy at duplication/distribution. That doesn't change the laws. It's still trafficing in illegally obtained Intellectual Property.
Eventually the price will probably reflect the new 'unscarce'-ness, but it will take time for the paradigm to change.
Eventually (I hope) more musicians will end up with a Grateful Dead type philosophy...lots of live performances, and free trading of those performances. Make money through selling tickets to live events...just like before recordable music. Nicely ironic to me...what's old is new yet again:)
A waiter, for example, can reasonably expect his customers to leave a tip, but refusing to tip isn't theft
Nice comparison....completely wrong but nice. If you don't pay for the food...then yes it is *theft*.
Someone who cleans your windshield when you're stopped in traffic might expect you to pay him for it, but if you don't, you haven't stolen anything, you've only shown him to be a sucker. True...but trying to catch him after he breaks your side view mirror because you didn't tip him isn't much fun either.
The bottom line is unless those musicians, engineers, artists, etc, PUT the album on P2P networks themselves, your argument holds no water. So the big criminal is the one who ripped the album and put it up for sharing.
But that doesn't mean you aren't just as guilty of trafficing in illegal goods
I would love it if you got it straight...I'm not holding my breath though.
your average Joe competes with Google when they own a copy of Microsoft Office
The competition is between Google and Microsoft, no? One office suite vs another.
So if User A has Google Office that is online and google makes an update, adds new features/functionality, or releases an entirely new version, User A has to do nothing to start using that update/version.
If User B has MS Office and MS issues an update or a new version, User B is responsible for getting and installing it before they can use it.
The *only* way for User B to hope to keep up with User A is to always have the latest released by MS, since User A always has the latest software by default.
Why have webservices taken off so much? because it's practically ZERO administration on the client end. Yahoo/MSN/Google web based email? perhaps you've heard of these things?
So I'm saying that $5/month isn't terribly an unreasonable amount for people to not have to deal with installing/updating/patching software.
Yeah, that might even threaten that gigantic market that OpenOffice and Sun Java Desktop own.
Well considering that OpenOffice and Java Desktop both require the same download/install process that MS Office does, it's comparing apple n oranges to say Google Office won't succeed where they failed.
there's a box here...try to think outside of it once in a while
Wow...I'll try and break this down for you in small words
$5/month - just a figure for discussion since Google Office will likely be free anyway
a) Always buying latest - how else do you compete with a web served app that's updated *constantly*?
b) Most people aren't buying MS Office off the shelf, they're buying it with a new computer. So their pricing is what Dell/HP etc offer. If someone has a choice between $150/300 and $5/month, I bet you get a good number of takers on the $5 deal.
c) How many average Joe's think of 'Google'? Do you really want to ask that question? One of *the* widest known terms in computers these days? Is it on par with Microsoft or Windows, not yet, but given the meteoric rise in the last few years, betting against them might not be a good thing.
as I said, if you want to match Google offering the latest and greatest instantly via the web, then yes you ARE forced to buy the next MS release when it comes out.
Your prices are certainly cheaper, but does the average Joe know where to find them? or whether or not an actual *license* is included in the cut rate pricing?
And finally, even at $145, that's 28 months of $5/month. Not for everybody, but then leasing a car isn't either. Different solutions for different problems/comfort levels/situations.
I suppose my main point is that MS has priced themselves high enough that a minimal subscription fee can look fairly attractive in comparison.
Since Office 2000 Standard runs 300+ (full install) you're talking at least 2 1/2 years and up to 5 at $5 bucks/month. I'd call that a long time.
And to boot you'd get the 'latest and greatest' for your subscription fee. Whereas with MS Office you're forced to shell out the Upgrade price every couple years anyway...assuming you want to stay current. And that is another 2 years before you're 'profitable' against the Google Subscription
Truth be told, I still use my Office 97 install at home as it does everything I need it to do. But many people would want the latest, and if a small monthly fee keeps them up to date (and stops viruses in the process since the 'update' is on the servers - assuming Google even allows macroesqe code) well I can see a market for that.
No more worrying about updating your software to fix bugs, just let the servers do it for you. Any wonder Sun is jumping on this ???
Most of us don't like software by subscription, but if you think about how much MS Office costs outright, 5-10 bucks a month goes a LONG time before you begin to get more expensive than MS Ofc.
Um...here in the States, such a phone is more like the mythical Unicorn. We don't have the luxury of taking our phones with us when we switch providers. heck we've only had number portability for a couple years now!
And no one is suggesting that if I 'unlock' my phone to use Provider B at some point, that I stop paying Provider A as my contract requires.
If I have finished my service contract, why shouldn't I be able to use the phone on a different network if I so desire? Do the companies offer 'unlocking' services at the end of contract? (by which time they have been 'paid' for the 'cheap' phone)
So it's just another tactic to prevent free market forces by using the DMCA, yes it's a Bad Thing(TM). Hopefully with exposure and some intelligent court rulings this too shall pass.
because there isn't any 'other side'. ALL members of congress are on the take from special interests and nobody is going to seriously propose stopping it.
And even if they did, the rest come down HARD on anyone who even speaks out of line
Agreed...the problem stems from having the ssame party in control of the House, the Senate and the Whitehouse. They all want pretty much the same pork!
Or more cynically, since they are on the same 'side' there's not political upside to pointing out the largess of your partners...
You make an educated (hopefully) guess as to how long your 'rover on fscking Mars' will be operating.
You figure how much it costs to run the rover and it's support systems for that time.
You (hopefully) add in a percentage increase in case it runs longer.
However, you don't budget double or more of educated guess on duration, just not realistic. So after the expected time frame the money is being used somewhere else and you need to apply for a reallocation to continue the misson.
Now throw politics into the equation and well, good luck;-)
I'm definitely in the 'this is priceless data' camp and would continue funding this over almost anything, but it's just a realization that things are finite and need to be weigh against other choices.
Oy..having grown up in the North, and then lived in the South I get tired of this 'War of Northern Aggression' crap.
Yes the North fought the war to prevent Secession, however the South seceded because of the limits being imposed on slavery. And since the South couldn't function economically WITHOUT slavery, they tried to pick up their chips and leave.
So yes it was a war of aggression, but only against a way of life that depended upon the enslavement of human beings.
There are many nuances to this, many arguments that can be made both ways. But without slavery the South couldn't have survived, hence why they left the table and seceded.
welcome to the land of the eternal sun...and I ain't talking Alaska.
Many of the 'sunset' provisions were recently made permanent. I at least wrote to my useless gov't lackey and said to oppose it...fun bit of a good that does living in a Red state though
This is a case many of us are all to familiar with. One where the 'product' is being used in an environment that it was not intended.
"Mike Quealy, a FEMA spokesperson, explained to me that they are aware of the issue, and are currently working on a application that supports all of the most popular browsers. Quealy said that the application in question was originally an in-house tool, meant to be used by call center people. Internet Explorer was the official in-house browser, so the application was coded with IE in mind."
So we have an *INTERNAL* app that was opened to the public, thus adding new browsers for which it was not designed to it's possible clients.
It's also a good lesson for designing things even when you *know* the environment in which it will be used...that can change and it's best to work with standards rather than the easiest, but perhaps proprietary choice.
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The *cost* is wildly relative to your own health insurance. I was quoted something like 10 grand without insurance but ended up paying I think about 1900 after all said and done through insurance.
;-)
I'd budget at least a week off, and preferably surgery on friday so you can take the 2 weekends as well to recover. You literally don't sleep for 4 days after the surgery. The problem is you can't breath through your nose if you have the deviated septum part done. And breathing through your mouth will dry it out in a matter of minutes. (The nose is self moisturising). Now add in surgically repaired tissue in your mouth/throat and you can see where you're not having a real fun time
The Lortab Elixir med is what I used. It would knock me out for 6 hours at a clip..but not actual sleep, just unconscious. And waking up I'd need to start sipping water slowly to remoisten things.
Not fun, but I'd say it was worth the pain.
I'd have to agree...having been through a sleep test, I don't know how someone who is having trouble sleeping would *ever* get to sleep during one of those.
I fall asleep easy and sleep hard so for me it was ok, but still only got about 4 hours of decent sleep while there.
that sounds like sleep apnea...however I barely registered on the charts for that.
:)
;-)
My problem was simply my snoring was so bad my oxygen saturation levels were in the range they'd expect for a 50+ year old man...and I was only 27.
I had my tonsils out, deviated septum reparied, part of my softpallete removed, and a bunch of extra tissue removed from the back of my mouth.
I did it all at once and it's the only way to do it...it's a pain in the 'neck' for a week literally but worth it. Ended up losing like 20 lbs. Had surgery on 12/17 and the first real meal I ate afterwards was the 26th. you seriously don't want to eat much while it's healing.
Get 'Lortab Elixir' for your medication if you can. They tried to give me pills for pain and sleeping afterwards and I'm like, um I just had throat surgery, I am *not* swallowing anything solid! That Lortab stuff knocks your ass out for 6 hours straight...good stuff
My favorite thing about the sleep test was being plugged into an old SCSI-1 port
Good luck!
I don't dream you Insensitive Clod!!!! ;-)
Seriously though, I really don't dream, and I know from doctors that it's not that I don't remember them. I had a condition where my blood oxygen content while sleeping (snoring Baaaaaadly) was too low for REM sleep.
Fixed now, but it's a rarity that I have a dream still. Sort of explains why high school was a fog though...
Makes sense.
I take it that the 'nyud.net' master domain actually gets the requests for the various sub domains? Since obviously blah.blah.nyud.net URL wouldn't have a DNS entry, at least not at first anyway, right?
Thanks again
so I'll bite...how exactly does the Coral Cache work? can't seem to load any pages that way from here anyway. Looked at the wikipedia entry, and on the main site page, neither offer much suggestion other than it's easy and 'just works'.
Might my office firewall be blocking port 8090? is that a common ailment of using Coral Cache?
Much appreciated. Thanks!
Does BeyondTV also do the 'continuous recording' of whatever channel happens to be tuned at the moment like Tivo does? (just keeping a 30 min buffer available at all times)
And related...does the 'Standby Mode' you leave it in, mean the computer, as in it's powered down in sleep mode?
Or I suppose is there at least an option to have it do continuous recording?
so technically I have every right to watch HBO or tivo it for later viewing
Technically you have every right to watch it in the manner that they deem acceptable; with the exception of timeshifting. The Supreme's haven't ruled that going to BlockBuster and taking Season 1 of 'Rome' out for free is 'timeshifting', this is no different.
Oh wait, yes it is...in this case (or at least most people using Bittorrent) people are actively 'uploading' the show. This is the big legal problem. Downloading hasn't so far been the target of lawsuits or whatever, it's the uploading and sharing of copyrighted material that is not yours to share that's the problem.
There is a 'scarce' good here. It's the ability to hear the music well after the fact of its performance.
:)
Prior to recordable audio mediums, the only way to hear music was live. Now there's the ability to hear it later.
I find it fascinating that the internet/computers have made this 'scarce' good largely un-scarce given the easy at duplication/distribution. That doesn't change the laws. It's still trafficing in illegally obtained Intellectual Property.
Eventually the price will probably reflect the new 'unscarce'-ness, but it will take time for the paradigm to change.
Eventually (I hope) more musicians will end up with a Grateful Dead type philosophy...lots of live performances, and free trading of those performances. Make money through selling tickets to live events...just like before recordable music. Nicely ironic to me...what's old is new yet again
A waiter, for example, can reasonably expect his customers to leave a tip, but refusing to tip isn't theft
Nice comparison....completely wrong but nice. If you don't pay for the food...then yes it is *theft*.
Someone who cleans your windshield when you're stopped in traffic might expect you to pay him for it, but if you don't, you haven't stolen anything, you've only shown him to be a sucker.
True...but trying to catch him after he breaks your side view mirror because you didn't tip him isn't much fun either.
The bottom line is unless those musicians, engineers, artists, etc, PUT the album on P2P networks themselves, your argument holds no water. So the big criminal is the one who ripped the album and put it up for sharing.
But that doesn't mean you aren't just as guilty of trafficing in illegal goods
I would love it if you got it straight...I'm not holding my breath though.
your average Joe competes with Google when they own a copy of Microsoft Office
The competition is between Google and Microsoft, no? One office suite vs another.
So if User A has Google Office that is online and google makes an update, adds new features/functionality, or releases an entirely new version, User A has to do nothing to start using that update/version.
If User B has MS Office and MS issues an update or a new version, User B is responsible for getting and installing it before they can use it.
The *only* way for User B to hope to keep up with User A is to always have the latest released by MS, since User A always has the latest software by default.
Why have webservices taken off so much? because it's practically ZERO administration on the client end. Yahoo/MSN/Google web based email? perhaps you've heard of these things?
So I'm saying that $5/month isn't terribly an unreasonable amount for people to not have to deal with installing/updating/patching software.
Yeah, that might even threaten that gigantic market that OpenOffice and Sun Java Desktop own.
Well considering that OpenOffice and Java Desktop both require the same download/install process that MS Office does, it's comparing apple n oranges to say Google Office won't succeed where they failed.
there's a box here...try to think outside of it once in a while
Wow...I'll try and break this down for you in small words
$5/month - just a figure for discussion since Google Office will likely be free anyway
a) Always buying latest - how else do you compete with a web served app that's updated *constantly*?
b) Most people aren't buying MS Office off the shelf, they're buying it with a new computer. So their pricing is what Dell/HP etc offer. If someone has a choice between $150/300 and $5/month, I bet you get a good number of takers on the $5 deal.
c) How many average Joe's think of 'Google'? Do you really want to ask that question? One of *the* widest known terms in computers these days? Is it on par with Microsoft or Windows, not yet, but given the meteoric rise in the last few years, betting against them might not be a good thing.
Nice to strip out of context there:
as I said, if you want to match Google offering the latest and greatest instantly via the web, then yes you ARE forced to buy the next MS release when it comes out.
Your prices are certainly cheaper, but does the average Joe know where to find them? or whether or not an actual *license* is included in the cut rate pricing?
And finally, even at $145, that's 28 months of $5/month. Not for everybody, but then leasing a car isn't either. Different solutions for different problems/comfort levels/situations.
I suppose my main point is that MS has priced themselves high enough that a minimal subscription fee can look fairly attractive in comparison.
Since Office 2000 Standard runs 300+ (full install) you're talking at least 2 1/2 years and up to 5 at $5 bucks/month. I'd call that a long time.
And to boot you'd get the 'latest and greatest' for your subscription fee. Whereas with MS Office you're forced to shell out the Upgrade price every couple years anyway...assuming you want to stay current. And that is another 2 years before you're 'profitable' against the Google Subscription
Truth be told, I still use my Office 97 install at home as it does everything I need it to do. But many people would want the latest, and if a small monthly fee keeps them up to date (and stops viruses in the process since the 'update' is on the servers - assuming Google even allows macroesqe code) well I can see a market for that.
No more worrying about updating your software to fix bugs, just let the servers do it for you. Any wonder Sun is jumping on this ???
Perhaps both free and paid levels?
Free - you get adds
Paid ($5-10/month?) - no ads or tracking
Most of us don't like software by subscription, but if you think about how much MS Office costs outright, 5-10 bucks a month goes a LONG time before you begin to get more expensive than MS Ofc.
Um...here in the States, such a phone is more like the mythical Unicorn. We don't have the luxury of taking our phones with us when we switch providers. heck we've only had number portability for a couple years now!
And no one is suggesting that if I 'unlock' my phone to use Provider B at some point, that I stop paying Provider A as my contract requires.
If I have finished my service contract, why shouldn't I be able to use the phone on a different network if I so desire? Do the companies offer 'unlocking' services at the end of contract? (by which time they have been 'paid' for the 'cheap' phone)
So it's just another tactic to prevent free market forces by using the DMCA, yes it's a Bad Thing(TM). Hopefully with exposure and some intelligent court rulings this too shall pass.
because there isn't any 'other side'. ALL members of congress are on the take from special interests and nobody is going to seriously propose stopping it. And even if they did, the rest come down HARD on anyone who even speaks out of line
Agreed...the problem stems from having the ssame party in control of the House, the Senate and the Whitehouse. They all want pretty much the same pork!
Or more cynically, since they are on the same 'side' there's not political upside to pointing out the largess of your partners...
dear Lord...an original FP and they flame you....sigh welcome to oblivion I suppose
The point is called 'budgeting'.
;-)
You make an educated (hopefully) guess as to how long your 'rover on fscking Mars' will be operating.
You figure how much it costs to run the rover and it's support systems for that time.
You (hopefully) add in a percentage increase in case it runs longer.
However, you don't budget double or more of educated guess on duration, just not realistic. So after the expected time frame the money is being used somewhere else and you need to apply for a reallocation to continue the misson.
Now throw politics into the equation and well, good luck
I'm definitely in the 'this is priceless data' camp and would continue funding this over almost anything, but it's just a realization that things are finite and need to be weigh against other choices.
Oy..having grown up in the North, and then lived in the South I get tired of this 'War of Northern Aggression' crap.
Yes the North fought the war to prevent Secession, however the South seceded because of the limits being imposed on slavery. And since the South couldn't function economically WITHOUT slavery, they tried to pick up their chips and leave.
So yes it was a war of aggression, but only against a way of life that depended upon the enslavement of human beings.
There are many nuances to this, many arguments that can be made both ways. But without slavery the South couldn't have survived, hence why they left the table and seceded.
welcome to the land of the eternal sun...and I ain't talking Alaska.
Many of the 'sunset' provisions were recently made permanent. I at least wrote to my useless gov't lackey and said to oppose it...fun bit of a good that does living in a Red state though
Yep, I have, and am currently doing it...and yes you're exactly right...no choice, it's an IE only site.
But this is a decent example of why that's a bad idea at least.
Before we go off the high board (ok, maybe while we're in the air before hitting water anyway...)
Link and the below snippet:
This is a case many of us are all to familiar with. One where the 'product' is being used in an environment that it was not intended.
"Mike Quealy, a FEMA spokesperson, explained to me that they are aware of the issue, and are currently working on a application that supports all of the most popular browsers. Quealy said that the application in question was originally an in-house tool, meant to be used by call center people. Internet Explorer was the official in-house browser, so the application was coded with IE in mind."
So we have an *INTERNAL* app that was opened to the public, thus adding new browsers for which it was not designed to it's possible clients.
It's also a good lesson for designing things even when you *know* the environment in which it will be used...that can change and it's best to work with standards rather than the easiest, but perhaps proprietary choice.