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Voyager 1 Sends Messages from the Edge
dalmozian writes "NASA's Latest News about the Voyager 1 is being run on Sci-Tech. The Voyager has passed into the border region at the edge of the solar system and now is sending back information about this never-before-explored area, say scientists at the University of Maryland. From the article: 'Voyager 1 and its twin spacecraft Voyager 2 are now part of a NASA Interstellar Mission to explore the outermost edge of the sun's domain and beyond. Both Voyagers are capable of returning scientific data from a full range of instruments, with adequate electrical power and attitude control propellant to keep operating until 2020.'" The proof of crossing the termination shock was covered earlier this year but now we can see the actual data.
Those roaming charges must be astronomical!
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You might be an astrophysicist if:
10. You only refer to the ninth planet as "Pluto-Charon"
9. You constantly correct everyone that Pluto-Charon is sometimes the eighth planet.
8. You've throttled someone for joking about "The Borg" when you mentioned Wolf 359.
7. You are of the opinion that there are only 8 planets in the solar system.
6. You get booted out of the family reunion for constantly correcting "scientific" conversations.
5. You think that the slowdown of the Pioneer Space Probe is a more important mystery than the Pyramids.
4. The last JPL probe burst at least 10 of your pet theories.
3. You punched Neil Armstrong for "contaminating" the moon with human presence.
2. You passed out before Neil's return punch landed.
And the number one way to tell you're an astrophysicist is...
1. You hold your breath in awe as a probe sends back data on inky blackness.
Thank you, thank you! I'll be here all week! (Ok, ok. So the rest of the gags all sprung out of the number one "joke". Try not to groan too much.)
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the neutral zone and I'm frightened!
...Voyager 1 is now in the interstellar DMZ. Let's hope no one starts shooting at it.
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For instance, on the last bit, we expected to see cosmic rays from the termination shock, because shocks accelerate particles. We see them. But they don't appear to be coming from the shock. They're coming from somewhere else that we don't know. We see another set of cosmic rays (with a different spectrum) that we don't understand at all - we just call them "anomalous cosmic rays."
Also, inside the heliosphere, Voyager 1 kept crossing magnetic domains (so a needle on a compass would swing back and forth) periodically. It was expected after the shock that those domain switches would keep happening, much much faster. That didn't happen. In fact, the domain switches stopped. We don't understand why. That doesn't make a lot of sense.
This is our only probe and our only example of a large astronomical shock. It's full of information about how the Universe produces such violent outbursts like supernovae, or gamma ray bursts. We need to keep studying this.
The carbon units will now provide V'ger the required information. V'ger travels to the third planet to find the Creator. V'ger and the Creator will become One.
It said something about needing a bald chick to merge with. No idea what that means.
"Made up/misattributed quote that makes me look smart. I am on
As mentioned on Slashdot in April of this year, NASA is planning to terminate funding to the Voyager programs. SpaceDaily has an article from earlier this year that says that funding is not available for the seven older missions (Voyager, Ulysses, Polar, Wind, Geotail, FAST and TRACE) beyond the end of NASA's fiscal year, which ends in October. Given the fact that Voyager only costs $4.1M a year, hopefully someone will realize that it's not really an effective cost saving measure before they pull the plug!
I wonder if they're having a hard time figuring out if it's actually sending data or just nothing. I mean, is the blank data they're receiving much different than no signal at all?
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I'm amazed this thing has been out for so long and still sending back data useful to us.
And I'm not talking to it until it returns Persis Khambatta.
No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
How about we talk about your atrocious grammar? Is that down to Earth enough for you?
Sadly that message was: "A/S/L/Pic"
If you think
... CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
Man.. yeah dont wont those things to get an ATTITUDE and get out of hand do we ?
from TFA The Voyagers each carry a message to any extraterrestrials they might encounter. Each messages is carried by a phonograph record -- a 12-inch gold-plated copper disk containing sounds and images selected to portray the diversity of life and culture on Earth.d
To find out more about the message - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_Golden_Recor
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VGER called... ...and he wants to speak to the creator.
What I meant by that was "useful" being redundant to "unique". In other words, the can be useful without being unique. Or, ALL data is useful. Fury has made me retarded.
Evil people don't think they're evil. - George Lucas, Making of Ep III
Er...I forget does anyone know which Voyager "Vger" was formed from?
- The Saj
Still running, huh. At what point does Voyager go out of warrenty?
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Now V'ger will voyage on and catch up with original episodes. Your doom is now postponed. Postponed until the Next Generation.
Now to take a break and find Star Trek, the Pepsi Generation.
Sorry about the writing. Robot fingers, you know? Cliff Steele in DOOM PATROL #23
seems like V'ger has been obsoleted by the Borg in the mind of the Carbon units...
So long, and thanks for all the solar cells!
DYWYPI?
Those aren't particles, that's an asteroi...@#$&)@#% {NO CARRIER}
Let's /. the voyager!
I thought about something along those lines a while back. More specifically, with most space probes, what's stopping a malevolant third party from sending their own control transmissions to a probe, and making it do their bidding?
My guess is that they might include some precautions nowadays, but what of probes from a few years back?
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7. You are of the opinion that there are only 8 planets in the solar system.
What does this refer to? Do some astronomers think one of the planets is technically a comet or something?
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has adequate "attitude". Didn't know that NASA put out sassy space craft.
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If we would have to do it over again we would not even be able to decide on putting on a golden HDVD or Blue-Ray disk...
I believe it has a lifetime warrenty.
You just have to pay shipping and handling.
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The angel in the oatmeal.
Ya gotta understand how government works. It's not that someone was actively trying to get these projects defunded - it's just that there was no money allocated for that, since no one anticipated they'd still be working. And since all government work has to be charged to specific accounts, someone would have had to redo that, or else the project would have had no way to spend any money.
In other words, this is a matter of bureaucracy, not malignance.
How does Bono feel about this?
If you think
Is that Sharon as in "My Sharon-a" or "Ariel Sha-ron"?
Da da dah dah dah. Is it sad that I see Janet Reno groovig to that? Why, yes, I think so.
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Both Mars rovers have exceeded expected life AND generated a lot of useful, intriguing data. That's a purty good record, too.
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*goes browsing for bald-headed chick porn*
I know why they are cancelling funding... NASA doesn't have any bald chicks, so when they saw the movie, they knew that Voyager had to be stopped... Since no one can reach the power switch, we'll just ignore it till it returns and wants to meet the creator.
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There has been controversy over Pluto's status as a planet for several years. Many scientists now believe that Pluto should be more properly classified as the largest Kuiper Belt Object ever found. This is due to Pluto's size, its unusual composition, and odd orbit. Pluto's orbit is actually sort of like that of a Kuiper Belt object. Some comets do come from the Kuiper Belt, but I don't think people would actually classify Pluto as a comet because its orbit never takes it close enough to the Sun for Pluto to develop the classic comet tail.
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ooh tell Marvin that his brain is being GPLed on earth i.e. Alpha3ZoneDelta
Couldn't they just open source Voyager and get a number of nations to fork the bill?
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Even that is debatable, if the figures on 2003 UB313 are anywhere near correct. If it's as shiny as white snow, it's bigger than Pluto. If it's darker, it's bigger still.
...laura
How about we talk about your atrocious grammar?
I don't think his grammar is atrocious; she gives pretty good head.
For those not in the know (I'm assuming parent knew).
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[Waits for someone even more geeky than me to point out that Klaa blew up one of the Pioneer probes...]
You must think in Russian.
When bureaucracy causes problem like this it is malignant.
Just like a sensible person the Government should always try to keep a little cash to one side for the unexpected. But then again I suppose that all the 'spare' money has gone on Iraq which probably didn't help the response to Katrina too much and the response to Katrina defiantly seemed malignant, malignant by bureaucracy, negligence and ignorance a quality many Governments seem to have.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Well, obviously, Bono wants us to extend copyright again so that we can protect Mickey from... ummm... Space Pirates!
I mean, they just held one of those pirate holidays the other week! Damn things are everywhere, doing nasty things like infringing copyrights and causing global warming!
... Most Slashdot readers don't need to venture further than their local female to reach space which they have "yet to explore."
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Does is bother anyone that PDF version of that paper gets downloaded from "xxx.lanl.gov"? Oh great, now my employer is going to bag me for downloading pr0n.
I think this is some kind of LANL inside joke - a few years ago, some poor sap got several years in Club Fed for running a Usenet news server inside Lawrence Livermore Labs that included some alt.... groups.
Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he'll say "WHERE'S MY FISH, YOU IDIOT?"
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Please make sure that this info doesn't get out to too many people.
It used its attitude control on the phone company.
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I wonder what's going to happen with all these probes once we can travel fast enough to catch up to them in a reasonable amount to time. Would it be better to bring them back and let the collect dust in the Air&Space museum or just keep track of them and let them be a 'side of the highway attraction' on the way to Terra Nova with an attached repeating recording giving it's launch date, time in service and when it was passed by a newer faster probe and became obsolite.
Mars tourist attractions of the future, see the wreckage of Beagle 2 and have your picture taken by Spirit and Opportunity, pictures can be picked up in the gift shop, formerly NASA mission control in Houston, TX.
F7 doesn't work, ignore spelling and grammar
When the Voyagers were launched in 1977... The Voyagers each carry a message to any extraterrestrials they might encounter. Each messages (sic) is carried by a phonograph record -- a 12-inch gold-plated copper disk containing sounds selected to portray the culture on Earth.
We're sending the aliens a gold plated disco record? Quick, send them something newer, like Britney Sp... oh, nevermind, what's the difference.
The cameras still work on Voyagers 1 and 2, don't they? Couldn't they swing around and get a nice distance shot of the sun? That'd be kinda neat.
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[Voyager1]...and I have touched the sky.
[Voyager1] Entering exterior of heliosphere. Anomolous readings occurring. Sensors detect stran#%*@!~((()))) [NO CARRIER]
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Nuf said.
The real mystery is more of an economic-political one. Why did such a large number of people essentially devote their lives to building monuments? How was it paid for? Did the pyramids possibly have some redeeming purpose other than as religious symbols? Why are pyramids on my money? How could leaders who have nothing better to spend money on than worthless make-work projects stay in power for so long?
"I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
No. We live in a democratic society that has decided that some taxation is required in order to fund the public good. We can argue about what constitutes this public good, but we have agreed as a society that you can indeed require that all citizens pay a certain amount to a central authority. If you disagree with this, write your congress-critter, move somewhere else, or be prepared to be indicted. However, I don't think it's bitter to consider "giant space toys" a more significant use of our money than funding another failing airline, bailing out investors from a criminal corporation, or giving tax-breaks to gas companies after they've posted record profits.
No, you have to show that it matters before you disrupt the capitalistic process
The poster was suggesting that the long-term 'investment' of space-exploration would reap great future benefits and would therefore be in line with the 'capitalistic' process. It's an investment stupid, a large-scale R&D project funded by the government because no corporation would be able or willing to fund such an endeavor. And why? Because companies can be short-sighted, stock-happy idiots who can't see beyond the next five quarters, much less the next five years.
Anyone who whines about being modded down should be.
A "roadmap" and pictures of the tasty critters?...
"It's cold out here!" But seriopusly, if they can make a spacecraft go billions of miles for several decades, why do our cars run on such polluting, inefficient gasoline? We need to start putting pressure on these oppressive oil cartels to release the patents on this fuel saving technology thhey have, and regardless of what snopes says, I believe it truely exists.
Personally, I think Voyager's fate of an eternal (unless it gets too close to the gravitational field of a sun) wander through the galaxy is an entirely fitting one - though let's hope we continue to listen until we can no longer hear them!
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
--Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
INTERSTELLAR. Just think about that for a minute. Ya sure, it would take a zillion years for them to actually get anywhere, but that's not the point. The Voyager probes have left the solar system and at last we have a physical presence outside of our own comfortable, little corner of the universe. It's pretty easy to take for granted, what with our volumes of inter-galactic sci-fi and Hollywood, but for once art actually mirrors reality and it blows me away, for one. This isn't meant to be a troll, but after seeing the first twenty posts joking about roaming charges and what not, it kinda saddened me that one of the first posts wasn't more reflective in nature. Oh well, that's just me.
There is simply too much glass..
Exactly where does the money being spent on voyager go?
I understand some of it has to go to buying time on the Deep Space Network and some to paying people to talk to the probe and listen for answers but what is the actual cost breakdown?
How much would it cost to just collect the data (and publish it on the NASA website or something) without actually paying for all that research stuff to do something with the data?
There isn't a single dollar figure that separates "enough" from "too much". A lot depends on your needs, which vary from person to person. For example, some people have higher medical expenses than others.
However, I would say that if you could bank one year's salary, and use it to pay for basic food, clothing, shelter, transportation, health care, and entertainment for the rest of your life, you're making "too much". Not "too much" as in, "You must immediately hand all your excess over to Fearless Leader", but as in, "We spent our country into the ground to build the society we have now, and you've obviously done very well in that society. When it comes time to pay back China, don't whine when we raise your tax rate well above what the guy making $30K is paying."
You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!
We'll be the first species to rendezvous with the two Voyager spacecraft...and you'll be seeing at least one of them in the Smithsonian eventually.
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I got all excited to hear the message but then found out it just said "Hello World."
The Voyager has passed into the border region at the edge of the solar system and now is sending back information about this never-before-explored area,...
Didn't Pioneer 10 or 11 already get this far?
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What, Bono didn't have anything to say?
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Can someone point out any good articles describing what makes it possible for the Voyager probe to continue to have functioning batteries? What is the technology behind it, and how has it lasted so long in the cold void of space when our cars often won't start when its falls below freezing.
I think my HP 22s calculator uses this same technology because its batteries have lasted for over 18 years now.
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For sure they won't ever become so stupid. [VR-1988]
it was surprising for me to find that with all capabilties of hubble telescope, we are yet to have good high resolution close-up images of pluto.. Since Voyager is at the brink of this system, might be good time to take out that camera.. NASA - listening ?
Consider the following:
1) The voyager spacecraft is moving away from us.
2) It is currently in a never-explored-area.
3) Further away areas have not been explored
This seems to imply that anywhere that the voyager spacecraft travels will therefore be never explored, thus making the never-explored-area part redundant....perhaps its been too long in the lab tonight...
Totally agree. And nicely said.
Well now you stand corrected :)
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Is it possible for the hobbiest to pick up its signals? Why not release its exact location, what equipment is needed, how to get/build it , how to find it, and let anyone gather its data?
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Dont you know they outsourced the whole project to india
Then when complete the indians took the IP and they did a chapter 11 and all info was lost
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Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Sounds like the same idiots in suits who didnt want to fund
the billions to protect New Orleans.
Hey, if you dont live there it dont matter.
If no one can FIRE you, then you cannot do your job properly.
Wheres Donald Trump where you need him.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
We could get there again in 60 days.
.1g for 60 days, if we put our minds to it.
Starting with the information that signals take Voyager 12 hours to reach earth, I determined that Voyager is about 12.9 billion kilometers from Earth. (see my work.)
At a constant acceleration of 1/10th g, we could get there in 59.48 days. (work) And there's no reason we couldn't get to a constant thrust of
Of course, I don't think we should terminate Voyager until we've already launched said spacecraft.
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Have a person of your size lie down on the ground, grab him by a leg and then drag him somewhere.
...
It's easy, though you will probably break into a sweat after a few hundred feet of dragging
and have to pause now and then.
Now tie 60 people's feet to a rope and have another 60 people drag them somewhere by pulling on the rope.
Basically, you will get an comparable amount of sweating and pausing after pulling a few hundred feet. No magic needed. The only thing that does not scale linearily is the swearing.
Pulling a slab of stone weighing three tons (same as 60 people of 100 pounds each) is much easier still, because you can use trees either as rollers or as greased "rails" to skid the block on. And as an extra bonus, the slab does not swear
is a date which was graffitti on the inside of a pyrmed during the early 20th Century.
Most specialist base there age around 5000 years because thats what they were told.
Maybe it was done 5000 years ago, but if so I ahve yet to see a model that would get them built to that degree of accuracy, with that technology, in so few years.
Just the logisticts of moving the amount of people it would take is incredible. That's even before taking into account the moving of the stones to the site.
No, I don't think they were built by anything off this world. I do believe they are older then 5000 years.
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I know the guy (whom I consider a friend), that designed the filter and switching system for the receiver of this thing.
His name is Raul Valery and teaches audio engineering at Valencia Community College in Orlando, FL (US). He has a masters in "signal processing" from somewhere in Indiana. He also did either some engineering or producing for Dr. Dre back in the day.
He worked for the JPL out west for a while. This guy taught me a lot of what I know about electronics and sound. Although his accent from Argentina was heavy, I would actually look forward to his lectures because I would learn a great deal every time.
Anyway he told me about this probe a while ago. Unfortunately I cannot remember all of the details but he said the signal-to-noise ratio (S/N) was under 1%. He also said that the amount of power recieved was measured in mW. There is an automatic switching system so that if it stops receiving signal on channel A, it will immediately switch to channel B. This was because they did not want ANY interruption in the datas tream during planetary a fly-by. Raul was the first human to see close up images of several planets.
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