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200gb Hack for iPod Nano

romka1 writes "For people who think their Nano doesn't have enought space for their music there is a hack walkthrough to get 200 gigs on your Nano. Warning some assembly required" For some reason this tickled my funny bone this morning. Enjoy.

322 comments

  1. Yup... by rovingeyes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    funny how I felt the same way when I read it on a lazy Thursday afternoon.

    1. Re:Yup... by nubbie · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Trendsetter! I bet you were wearing the yellow livestrong braclet even before Lance Armstrong was. hehe

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    2. Re:Yup... by Thud457 · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:Yup... by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Me too, when I submitted it a week ago....

        Ipod Nano 200GB mod 16:57 Wednesday 05 October 2005 Rejected

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    4. Re:Yup... by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

      You've got to admit, this is borderline "news". I love it, and I don't begrudge it being on Slashdot, but I'm totally unsurprised that another editor made a different call and rejected it.

    5. Re:Yup... by Zeph · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to mention, it was discussed in a sub-thread 1-2 weeks ago, which is just as much coverage of this sort of (admittedly entertaining) news deserves. I'd go and find it, but I've wasted enough time with this article already.

    6. Re:Yup... by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      so I'll bite...how exactly does the Coral Cache work? can't seem to load any pages that way from here anyway. Looked at the wikipedia entry, and on the main site page, neither offer much suggestion other than it's easy and 'just works'.

      Might my office firewall be blocking port 8090? is that a common ailment of using Coral Cache?


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    7. Re:Yup... by fbjon · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I haven't wasted any time with this article yet. It's the first time I've seen it. Do you find you read slashdot too often?

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    8. Re:Yup... by Oopsz · · Score: 1
    9. Re:Yup... by Viper168 · · Score: 1
    10. Re:Yup... by Basehart · · Score: 1

      What's next: "mirrormirrordot.org - solving the mirrordot.org effect"

    11. Re:Yup... by oKtosiTe · · Score: 1

      Actually it doesn't work for me either, and I know for a fact that my firewall/router isn't to blame. Seems the /.-effect has many faces.

    12. Re:Yup... by wilgaa · · Score: 0
    13. Re:Yup... by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      when you go to blah.blah.nyud.net:8090 it checks if it has a copy, if it does it gives the copy, if it does not it gets a copy og the requested stuff and saves it for others.

      The problem is if the Corel Cache link is put up post /.ing it can't get a copy either.

      So Coral Cache links need to be put in the blurb, but 2 posts deep in the comments.

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    14. Re:Yup... by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      Makes sense.

      I take it that the 'nyud.net' master domain actually gets the requests for the various sub domains? Since obviously blah.blah.nyud.net URL wouldn't have a DNS entry, at least not at first anyway, right?

      Thanks again

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    15. Re:Yup... by baadger · · Score: 1

      Simple, this is acheived by using wildcard DNS entries. The big DNS servers like BIND support this out of the box. Then you just extract the subdomain but from the HTTP "Host:" header, mandatory in the HTTP/1.1 standard.

    16. Re:Yup... by Pharmboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You've got to admit, this is borderline "news".

      I would respectfully disagree. "News for Nerds", to me, includes How-To articles. The fact that the modification has no practical application is not important, since few would attempt it even if it did. It DOES however, jar some imaginations, and gets people thinking about how things work. I won't do this mod, but I didn't know how easy it was to hack an IPod before this article.

      What it DOES show, is that the guy who did this was pretty damn smart and also had a good sense of humor. Then again, I'm working on an underwater camera fishing rig, so impractical but real How-To articles appeal to me. I was going to use a stun gun mounted to the camera, but I think that's illegal here in NC. (Really, not making it up)

      I say we have MORE articles were people use technology and know-how in unusual, if impractical, applications. With all the dupes, there is obviously room to fit it on the front page. ;)

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    17. Re:Yup... by InvalidError · · Score: 1

      Next week on slashdot: "Uncyclopedia served a class-action suit due to Nano 200GB upgrade How-To."

    18. Re:Yup... by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1
      so impractical but real How-To articles appeal to me

      You don't think that the mod could actually work, do you? That picture of the IDE controller wired up to the motherboard is a photoshop job. The paragraphs above it about compatability are nonsense.

      If it were true, it would be dumped from Uncyclopedia or moved to True Facts and Other Deleted Prose.
    19. Re:Yup... by The_Nano · · Score: 1

      Look, there is only 1 (one) original Nano. The Nano

      Do not be fooled by these imposters put out by Apple. I am the Nano. Don't Deny!

  2. Only 200GB? by Yocto+Yotta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why stop at 200GB? You could use a 500GB drive and have 150% additional capacity with zero gain in size. I'm a little disappointed that the nano cases won't quite fit anymore though. As the article states though, this is one mod any nano owner cannot do without.

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    1. Re:Only 200GB? by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 4, Funny

      One of my aims in life has been to construct a properly redundant RAID array of inexpensive disks - namely, floppy disks!

      Floppy drives are really cheap at the moment, so it shouldn't be too difficult to build up a decent amount of storage. Also, it should be possible to build a custom interface so that the whole assembly can be connected to one of these modern iPod things - I'm guessing you could add several hundred megabytes of storage in this manner and still have something fairly portable.

      Any thoughts? I'd really like to get this project off the ground, so to speak!

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    2. Re:Only 200GB? by croddy · · Score: 3, Interesting
    3. Re:Only 200GB? by Rycross · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sorry someone beat you to it.

    4. Re:Only 200GB? by Tango42 · · Score: 0

      Floppies aren't cheap though... I quick google finds floppies selling for about 30 cents each. That's 0.3/1.44=$0.21/MB.

      A 200GB hard drive costs around $90, that's 90/200=$0.45/MB

      A hard drive is only twice the price of a floppy, per MB. If you want a different floppy drive for each floppy, the price increases from $0.30 to over $5... no longer cheap in the slighest.

    5. Re:Only 200GB? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? Because the article's a fake, that's why. It's at Uncyclopedia, it's pretty much the troll equivalent of WikiPedia.

      You did know that, right?

    6. Re:Only 200GB? by Mikya · · Score: 1

      Your math is wrong. 200GB is 200,000 MB which works out to $0.00045/MB.

    7. Re:Only 200GB? by coutch · · Score: 1

      $90/200GB=$0.45/GB which is a hell of a lot cheaper than $0.21/MB ... $0.45/GB * 1GB/1024MB = .... you do the math ...

    8. Re:Only 200GB? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A 200GB hard drive costs around $90, that's 90/200=$0.45/MB"

      That would be price per GB for the hard drive, not per MB. Floppies are much more expensive than modern hard drives per MB.

    9. Re:Only 200GB? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yer math is a bit off. 90/200 is right...for a 200 meg drive. But for a 200 gig drive, it's 90/200,000 (counting 1000 megs to the gig, which is wrong), which equals .00045 cents per meg, which means one meg in floppy cash is equal to 466 megs in harddrive cash.

      So a 200 gig drive made of floppies would cost about $42,000 (1 meg = .21, .21 * 200,000)...A bit more than twice the price of a 200 gig hard drive.

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    10. Re:Only 200GB? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>floppies selling for about 30 cents each. That's 0.3/1.44=$0.21/MB.

      So far, so good..

      >>A 200GB hard drive costs around $90, that's 90/200=$0.45/MB

      You should have used Preview Mode..

      Hard Drive is $0.45 per GB

    11. Re:Only 200GB? by DFarmerTX · · Score: 2, Interesting
    12. Re:Only 200GB? by general_re · · Score: 4, Funny
      ...a properly redundant RAID array of inexpensive disks...

      You mean "a properly redundant redundant array of inexpensive disks array of inexpensive disks"? Judging by your post here, you're well on your way to insanely redundant levels of insane redundancy....

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    13. Re:Only 200GB? by jacksonj04 · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Properly redundant RAID array" would be fine though, since RAID is the technology. It's like "ASP Page" actually turns into "Active Server Pages Page", but that's OK because RAID is only the technology.

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    14. Re:Only 200GB? by Yocto+Yotta · · Score: 1

      Really? No shit? Are you kidding me? For real? Are you sure? Really sure? Really really sure? Really no shit for sure not kidding sure not really? Damn you and your hope-crushing ways.

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    15. Re:Only 200GB? by j4mes · · Score: 1

      Holy shit that's cool.

    16. Re:Only 200GB? by OnoTadaki · · Score: 1

      Isn't "... redundant RAID (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks) array of inexpensive disks" a tad... Redundant?

    17. Re:Only 200GB? by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

      Hmm RAID Array of Inexpensive Disks. So you want a Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks Array of Inexpensive Disks. Now THAT is redundant!

    18. Re:Only 200GB? by Angstroem · · Score: 1
      Why stop at 200GB? You could use a 500GB drive [...]
      Because it's an iPod, not an iPorn.
    19. Re:Only 200GB? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought of this many years ago, however I called it Great Rows of Individual External Floppies (GRIEF). Aptly named if you try to run a large database with it.

    20. Re:Only 200GB? by chrisnewbie · · Score: 0

      I think there was a movie made 15 years ago about a kid with TOO MUCH TIME on his hands and he build a nuclear bomb.

      After RAID with floppies there is no telling what this guy can do.

    21. Re:Only 200GB? by danheretic · · Score: 1

      Actually I think you meant to use this link.

    22. Re:Only 200GB? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm amazed that not a single person has pointed this out yet! Your calculation if off.

    23. Re:Only 200GB? by Yocto+Yotta · · Score: 1

      Touché.

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    24. Re:Only 200GB? by smbarbour · · Score: 1

      Next they should try it with LS-120 drives. They never really caught on, so there should be plenty of spare hardware around. Then move to 200MB and 750MB Zip Drives.

    25. Re:Only 200GB? by Landshark17 · · Score: 1

      I am George Leroy Tirebiter, from the Department of Redundancy Department. On the behalf of my fellow repetitious repeaters, I am filing a law suit sueing you for repeating in our style of repetition.

      From the Department of Redundancy Department, a member of the RIAA (Redundancy Industry Assosiation of America)

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    26. Re:Only 200GB? by Tango42 · · Score: 1

      Ok, so I don't know the difference between a megabyte and a gigabyte... that's pretty bad.

      My point still stands though - 1000 times more so, in fact...

    27. Re:Only 200GB? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, not a single person has. Five people have, but 5 != 1. And only starting 5+ hours before you caught it too.

    28. Re:Only 200GB? by droleary · · Score: 1

      Next they should try it with LS-120 drives. They never really caught on, so there should be plenty of spare hardware around. Then move to 200MB and 750MB Zip Drives.

      Of course, the 1GB slot has already been filled.

    29. Re:Only 200GB? by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1
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    30. Re:Only 200GB? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I was trying to make a small point in a silly way. I don't think I succeeded.

  3. Screw the Nano. by mopslik · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've always wanted an iPod Kilo.

    1. Re:Screw the Nano. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but I have a kilo of iCoke that might interrest you... *hides from FBI*

    2. Re:Screw the Nano. by Infinityis · · Score: 5, Funny

      Apple Headquarters Raided

      Cupertino, CA (AP)

      In response to recent news of the latest iPod developments, federal agents raided Apple Headquarters as part of an international drug bust. During the raid, 10,000 iPod Kilos were recovered. The contents of these white blocks have proven highly addictive, especially to teenagers and college students. What most students fail to realize is the dangers involved in being a regular 'user'.

      "Many of these kids turn the volume way too lound and actually damage their ears" one federal agent said, on condition of anonymity. "It's horrifying what this company tries to push off as 'harmless fun'".

      During the bust, executive ringleader Steve Jobs was arrested. It is believed that he abused his power in trying to control other markets.

      An RIAA spokesperson was available for comment: "It's great that they caught this guy--he was trying to regulate prices on our goods. Not only was he selling highly addictive material, but he used his influence to try to brainwash his followers into believing that it's OK to pay only $0.99 per song. Now that he's gone, we can start charging fair market value for songs."

      For concerned parents, please be aware of the following signs that your child may be using iPod Kilos:
      --a thin white line going up to each ear
      --difficulty hearing quiet noises
      --an unsightly bulge in your child's pant pockets
      --during normal conversation, your child prefixes normal words with the letter "i" as in "eating iDinner", "going on an iDate", and "driving an iCar"
      --using jargon associated with iPod Kilos, such as podcasting, iTunes, or Apple

    3. Re:Screw the Nano. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I eagerly anticipate the iPod kibo.

    4. Re:Screw the Nano. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ipod nano should have more like 200 nanobytes. Actually, that would be even more impressing.

    5. Re:Screw the Nano. by karnal · · Score: 1

      --an unsightly bulge in your child's pant pockets

      And here I thought my boy was just taking after his old man!

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    6. Re:Screw the Nano. by kc0re · · Score: 1

      I wish I could mod you +10 funny.

  4. illegal warez? by dmf415 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Note that the 200gb capacity enables you to store about 50 000 pieces of music. If this capacity is filled with illegal "warez" mp3s, you can be fined up to 75 000 000 USD. (204 800 megabytes, 4 megabytes per song, 10 songs per CD, average CD price 15 USD).

    Who else besides the author has 75 million handy?

    1. Re:illegal warez? by gunpowda · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The whole point of excessive storage in a device is comfort. People like to have way more than they'll ever use just for the sake of it - Gmail is a particularly good example.

      Don't forget that iPods don't just have to store music - I'm sure as capacities increase we'll move towards higher quality, even lossless music files as a standard.

    2. Re:illegal warez? by halivar · · Score: 1

      The fine is $100,000 for each offense. That's a grand total of $5,000,000,000. That's 5 BILLION dollars.

      Copyright law sucks.

    3. Re:illegal warez? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you have decimal out of place. Using the numbers you cited: (204,800/4/10)*15 = $76,800. A little differen than $75 million.

    4. Re:illegal warez? by DaHat · · Score: 0

      lossless music files as a standard

      Would this be a bad time to mention that all digital audio is by definition lossey?

    5. Re:illegal warez? by VATechTigger · · Score: 0

      This is exactly why I maintain $10,000 dollars in dept at all times. Who knew that women, gadgets and a gambling habit would equate to lawsuit armour. Win-win all around.

    6. Re:illegal warez? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RIAA says it is up to $150,000 per song.
      http://www.riaa.com/issues/copyright/laws.asp
      By my math that makes it: $7,680,000,000

    7. Re:illegal warez? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. It would.

    8. Re:illegal warez? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Would this be a bad time to mention that all digital audio is by definition lossey?

      So is the recording equipment. So are the speakers. So is the human ear. The point is that the days of needing compression for CD-based music are numbered. Even with the volume of storage needed for 5.1 DVD audio, we aren't talking about needing that many more orders of magnitude disk space.

    9. Re:illegal warez? by iphayd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Would it be a bad time to mention that all recorded (and heard) audio is by definition lossy?

      There are plenty of sounds that we do not record, because we are not supposed to be able to hear them. However, I know of people that say that recordings sound different because the high tones are missing completely. This is on analog recordings.

    10. Re:illegal warez? by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only if you're recording from an analog source. There's a good deal of music these days that is produced entirely from digital sources.

    11. Re:illegal warez? by dfn_deux · · Score: 1

      ZING! Give that man a frigging cookie!

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    12. Re:illegal warez? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah 200GB of corporate secrets is worth WAY more than just 4GB. That's a lot of comfort right there.

    13. Re:illegal warez? by RatBastard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And what about using it as a USB drive? Or they want to use Apple Lossless format?

      And why does everyone assume that if you have more than X gigabytes of music you must have stolen it all? I have 17GB in my iTunes library out of 21GB of potential (if I hadn't deleted the songs I didn't like) music. Where did this all come from? 95% from CDs I own that are sitting in my living room (minus the odd CD that only had one song I liked on it and sold to the used CD store). Of the rest most have come from either iTunes Music Store, EMusic.Com and a few from artists websites. How the hell could I have done this? Easy. I've been buying CDs since 1987.

      I find the knee-jerk assumption that large storage automatically means theft offensive. Take your "you must be a thief to want this" attitude and ram it up your ass.

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    14. Re:illegal warez? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Would this be a bad time to mention that all digital audio is by definition lossey?

      So is all analog audio unless you've found a way round some pretty basic laws of physics.

    15. Re:illegal warez? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Show me a digital sound wave travelling through the air, and I'll bow to our new robot overlords. Arrrgghhh. They found me. --NO CARRIER--

    16. Re:illegal warez? by StarsAreAlsoFire · · Score: 1

      All audio is by definition digital. The question is, at what sampling rate?

      Give me an analog recording mechanism and I'll tell you why it is really digital.

    17. Re:illegal warez? by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      Ok, I'll bite. Old phonographs used on a Victrola. Please explain to me where the "digital" portion comes into play?

    18. Re:illegal warez? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um... $4.99 per month (via yahoo) = $60 per year, Most of us won't live more than 100 years in addition to what we are now, so 60x100 = $6,000 for all the music in the world for the rest of your life.

    19. Re:illegal warez? by Nick+Harkin · · Score: 1

      Well, I guess if you go down low enough, the electrical signals sent to the brain are digital, but that's getting pretty picky, pretty picky indeed.

    20. Re:illegal warez? by reclusivemonkey · · Score: 1

      ...and exactly how many people do you think will have their hacked nano's audited by the RIAA? I guess now under the Patriot Act, you'll all have to surrender your iPods to any RIAA official on demand...

    21. Re:illegal warez? by StarsAreAlsoFire · · Score: 1

      What is the smallest feature that can be picked up by the needle running over the surface of the phonograph?

      What is the minimum energy required to activate the crystal who's resonance is providing the grove-to-sound conversion? (basically the same question, from a different angle)

      Also, what is the smallest feature which can be cut *into* the phonograph, by the recording device?

      And finally, what is the smallest physical structure which can be supported by the recording media? Which is to say, how small of a bump can you create in the material, assuming you have the ability to make infinitely small bumps with your recording mechanism.

      When you crunch all the numbers, it turns out that those crazy people who 'love the warm sound of the 'ol 45s' are really saying 'I LIKE NOISE IN MY MUSIC!' (noise being the electronics kind, not the music itself ;~)

      There was a 'study' (I think the creator was sharpening a personal axe) where a guy sat a bunch of those kind of peeps down and said 'which is better?' and played a.) a CD and b.) The CD with extra noise added to simulate a record. Could have been a smart ass attempt at creating an urban legend too; been forever, can't site a source.

      b. won ;~)

      Really, I was responding to the tounge-in-cheek post (great GP) with an equally toung-in-cheek statement :~). I know I can win, because physics itself is digital until you start getting into quantum mechanics :~) (activation energies, energy bands etc). Wave-form particles may jump to mind, but a.) that is quantum and b.) it is still digital, as the energy level is driven by the wavelength, and the wavelength is driven by the electron energy that was given up in order to produce said wave-like particle of light, and all electron energy levels are in multiples of the plank energy :~D

      Yes, I am a smartass sometimes. It's a gift, and I would be remiss to let it whither :~)

    22. Re:illegal warez? by roger6106 · · Score: 1

      Lossless music? That sounds like a great idea. With these IPods getting smaller and smaller it's way to easy to lose. How are they going to do this lossless music? GPS?

    23. Re:illegal warez? by Adam+Schumacher · · Score: 1
      Also, what is the smallest feature which can be cut *into* the phonograph, by the recording device?


      About 10^-33m.
    24. Re:illegal warez? by Frnknstn · · Score: 1

      Wrong, rather than picky. Electrical != digital. The electrical signals tranmitted in the nervous system are analogue.

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    25. Re:illegal warez? by Puk · · Score: 1

      You're being conservative. If the works are registered (and pretty much all commercial works are), you can get statutory damages up to $30,000 per work. If they treat each song as a separate work (easy to argue), then using your math, that's $1.5 billion. Of course, if they decide you willfully infringed, the cap goes up to $150,000 per work, or $7.5 billion. For reference, Apple's current market cap is 40.62 billion.

      Not saying they would get this -- the court has discretion -- but that the law very clearly supports it. Ain't life grand?

      -puk

    26. Re:illegal warez? by StarsAreAlsoFire · · Score: 1

      About 10^-33m

      eh? The atomic radius of a silicon atom is about an angstrom (110 picometers, 110*E12 meters) across. I rather doubt that the cutting mechanism, whatever it may be, can cut the substrate crystal a billion-trillion times finer than that.

    27. Re:illegal warez? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there's a little law that this guy that went by the last name of nyquist discoverd. It goes something along the lines of:

      if we sample the complex waveform uniformly at a rate just a tad over twice the highest frequency component sine wave contained within, the conglomeration of samples thus obtained are sufficient information to reconstruct the waveform.

      This might have something to do with the fact that a cd's sampling rate is roughly twice that of the highest frequencies the human ear can percieve (and it does so very poorly at any rate, so there is a large 'margin' of error here).

      Now there are people that will tell you they can tell the difference between a 96KHz 16 bit recording (note most are 24) and a 44.1KHz 16 bit because of "second order harmonics" and you know what? I have a bridge to sell to them. People like analog stuff because of the types of distortion it introduces rather than its faithfulness to the source, and there is merit to such beliefs.

    28. Re:illegal warez? by aminorex · · Score: 1

      Neurons fire in spikes of a curiously complex wavelet format which occur at continuously variable intervals. Where's the digital in that?

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    29. Re:illegal warez? by aminorex · · Score: 1

      > all electron energy levels are in multiples of the plank energy

      not all photons comes from changes in the exitation state of electrons in an atom.
      any time you accellerate charges, you get photons, and charges can be accellerated
      with continuous forces. electron shell structure is discontinuous because it has
      to accomodate a standing wave according to schroedinger's equation, not because
      energy comes in atomic units. please do not confuse cause and effect.

      moreover, this does not address the continuity of time. a kroenecker delta may be discontinuous, but it is not digital unless it is constrained to occur at discrete time boundaries.

      finally, his name was planck.

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    30. Re:illegal warez? by aminorex · · Score: 1

      > all electron energy levels are in multiples of the plank energy

      to clarify my comment (should have proofread):

      this is true in the sense that Pi is a multiple of 2. electron energy is equal
      to frequency times the planck constant. but frequency varies continuously.

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    31. Re:illegal warez? by Nick+Harkin · · Score: 1

      Ah, but as we live in a quantum world, at the very core level there is either a particle there, or there is not, and therefore it must be digital.

    32. Re:illegal warez? by Grotus · · Score: 2, Informative

      He just jumped to the smallest length possible, the Planck length. You pretty much asked for that, since you mentioned quantum mechanics.

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    33. Re:illegal warez? by StarsAreAlsoFire · · Score: 1

      planck -- was a typo, I swear!

      As to the rest: Yeah, it's cool stuff, eh? :~) I've vaugly wondered if one could use E=(m/lambda)*c^2 to show that time must be discrete. I really don't know. Six not-so-easy Pieces goes pretty deep, I should re-read it with that in mind. One day. Maybe. ;~)

      So, yes... there are ways to claim that reality is analog (as, I think it is, ultimatly); it is just very deep physics for the average person. Chemical reactions, etching of membranes, bonds breaking in a musical substrate -- all are discrete events, and thus 'digital' :~)

      Also length must be discrete. All three 'properties' -- mass/energy, length (size) and time.

      Getting kinda deep for a discussion on music tho ;~)

    34. Re:illegal warez? by StarsAreAlsoFire · · Score: 1

      *kicks self*

      wondered why such a tiny number seemed familiar :~(

      6 years away from studying will do that to a mind, I guess :~)

    35. Re:illegal warez? by StarsAreAlsoFire · · Score: 1

      But they utilize individual molecules (well, discrete multiples of such) to conduct such spikes from place to place. Digital :~)

    36. Re:illegal warez? by RichardX · · Score: 1

      I wonder if the RIAA boss would put his pinky to his mouth when he demanded that? And if you can't pay up, they set the sharks with lasers on their heads on you.

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    37. Re:illegal warez? by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 1
      Ah, but as we live in a quantum world, at the very core level there is either a particle there, or there is not, and therefore it must be digital

      But the signal might not be carried by the presence or absence of a particular, but rather by the probability that a particle is present. That is analog.

    38. Re:illegal warez? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I find the knee-jerk assumption that large storage automatically means theft offensive. Take your "you must be a thief to want this" attitude and ram it up your ass.

      I agree wholeheartedly. I've got ~45G of 192k VBR MP3's on my hard drive, all from CD's that I own, I can easily see my music collection growing beyond the current iPod limit of 60G (I just bought 8 used CD's last week). If I had the space on a portable player I'd just rip everything 320k CBR, but I know with current storage capacities it'd just take up too much space.
    39. Re:illegal warez? by SCVirus · · Score: 0

      Peer2Mail has made very good use of gmails extra space.

    40. Re:illegal warez? by balloonhead · · Score: 1

      Not really, the neurons either fire or don't - the 'all or nothing' concept in physiology. Subsequent neurons either fire, or don't, based on the summation of positive and negative input from neighbouring neurons.

      On top of that, various chemicals nearby make the general environment more or less prone to neuronal activation.

      The neurons are 'on' or 'off' at any given time and could be called digital. The chemical environment - not so sure but the net result is still a digital message.

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    41. Re:illegal warez? by Damien+Conlon · · Score: 1

      If this capacity is filled with illegal "warez" mp3s, you can be fined up to 75 000 000 USD. (204 800 megabytes, 4 megabytes per song, 10 songs per CD, average CD price 15 USD).

      In fact some RIAA subpoenas have been seeking up to $150,000 per song.

      Who has $7.5bn handy?

    42. Re:illegal warez? by Frnknstn · · Score: 1

      Okay, it has been a while since my course in neurophysiology, but I think you are misunderstanding a little. Although each individual can be considered to fire or not fire, the strength of the action potential that is propagated along the axon varies based on numerous factors, most noticably the concentration of calcium ions around the neuron. It is thus an analogue system

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    43. Re:illegal warez? by Frnknstn · · Score: 1

      Your argument is like say that your dad's LPs are digital: They are either playing or they aren't.

      Also, digital != binary ~= boolean. Digital refers to the expression of information using a finite, discrete set of gradations (as opposed to analogue, with a continuous range.) Binary refers to the base-2 number system. Boolean refers to the work of Charles Boole (sp), who worked with the enumeration of logical problems to either 'true' or 'false'.

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    44. Re:illegal warez? by balloonhead · · Score: 1

      Your understanding of neurophysiology is a little flawed - the way neurons work, once an action potential has been generated (enough stimulus to provoke a response (the all-or-nothing bit), it is propagated along the neuron by membrane depolarisation. This does require calcium, but except is extreme states of very high or low calcium (very rarely encountered even in disease) the local calcium concentration is fairly irrelevant.

      Once a neuron has fired, the 'message' gets transmitted from one end to the other - the strength of the voltage difference doesn't matter.

      When this reaches the end of the neuron, it releases chemicals when travel a short distance to the next link in the chain - whether these are released or not is not dependent on the size of the action potential, just whether there is one or not.

      This is more like a digital system - it can't transmit different grades of response - just response, or no response. As for your comment about a record player - whether it is on or not (the state) is digital (0 or 1) - even if the music produced is analogue. In these situations digital is analogous to boolean.

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  5. a little late? by chphilli · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    This was cool when I read it on October 4th on Hackaday...

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    1. Re:a little late? by djward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oooh, a whole WEEK ago! You MUST be cool reading ALL these sites EVERY minute, just WAITING for that FRESH scrap of news!

      There is an Outside. BELIEVE in the Outside.

    2. Re:a little late? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do people insist on posting comments like this? So what if it's late. Those of us who didn't read it elsewhere DON'T CARE, because it's news to us, and those of you who did AREN'T REQUIRED to read it! This isn't exactly time-critical, so it doesn't matter if it's late.

    3. Re:a little late? by PhoenixPath · · Score: 1

      I saw this in Ars Journal more than a week ago, you're not alone.

      This is old "news".

    4. Re:a little late? by chphilli · · Score: 1
      Actually, like most of the people I know, I look at the news in the morning just about everyday.

      And I might not have pointed out that it was 8 days ago if Slashdot wasn't "News for Nerds..." There's just something about that word... oh yeah, it's the "New" part!

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    5. Re:a little late? by xtracto · · Score: 1

      There is an Outside. BELIEVE in the Outside.

      Somehow... you almost made me cry (or I am making a PhD you Insensitive clod)

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    6. Re:a little late? by TwoTailedFox · · Score: 1

      He's probably a Neowin reader.

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    7. Re:a little late? by GuyinVA · · Score: 1

      Too offset you getting this news 8 days before me, I'm going to wait 8 more days to read the article. that way it evens out..

      (maybe by then the site will have recovered from being slashdoted..)

    8. Re:a little late? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      Why didn't you submit it after you read it then?

      Slashdot operates and gets stories because people like you search the web and submit interesting things you find.

      I hold you personally responsible for the lateness of this article. :P

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    9. Re:a little late? by sehryan · · Score: 1

      "New?" I don't know about you, but the only time I see the word "New" is in the spelling of the word "News."

      News, by definition, is a report of recent or unkonwn events. I would put 8 days well within the recent timeframe. And I didn't know about it. So I would say this definitely qualifies as "News" for me.

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    10. Re:a little late? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was this one time I found myself in a really big room with a blue ceiling. The HVAC system wasn't the best tho....

    11. Re:a little late? by mrselfdestrukt · · Score: 0

      Uuughh. Another freakin American idiot. Hey, You're ALMOST as cool as your president for being THAT sarcastic!

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    12. Re:a little late? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LEARN to STOP EMPHASIZING every OTHER word. There IS a happy MEDIUM. BELIEVE in GRAMMAR.

  6. Sophia has inspired us all by Ingolfke · · Score: 4, Funny

    "There's nothing like adding an extra 196 gigs to my iPod Nano so I can listen to all my favorite British Invasion bands." -- Oscar Wilde.

    It's good to see that more and more people are realizing that the Uncyclopedia is the true source for knowledge.

    1. Re:Sophia has inspired us all by TetryonX · · Score: 0

      Hint: Sarcasm.

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    2. Re:Sophia has inspired us all by Psychor · · Score: 1

      Uncyclopedia is quite possibly the least funny thing I have read in a long time. There are one or two quite amusing articles (such as the Nano article featured), and about 5 million articles full of nonsensical rubbish. For spoof articles to be funny, they must bear some relation to reality. Most of Uncyclopedia's stuff is like 'The country of Nigeria is famous for its 70s glam rock music. It was recently visited by George Bush, the Queen of Sweden. Popular pimp Oscar Wilde really loves Nigeria. It was founded by Michael Jackson in 706 BC.' I guess that kind of rubbish is the best humour you can expect since most of Uncyclopedia's articles are presumably written by the same people who mod Slashdot comments 'funny'.

    3. Re:Sophia has inspired us all by interiot · · Score: 1

      Except that it goes down every time someone links to it from Slashdot. :( How long until Google donates money and machines to Uncyclopedia?

    4. Re:Sophia has inspired us all by Pulzar · · Score: 2, Funny
      Most of Uncyclopedia's stuff is like 'The country of Nigeria is famous for its 70s glam rock music. It was recently visited by George Bush, the Queen of Sweden.

      Oh, come on, look at the Nigeria article... It's nothing like what you describe. Here's a good quote from that page:

      ...Nigeria has an extensive technology sector. The biggest business sector in Nigeria is online financial re-allocation. Many wealthy countries such as Britain often have large sums of unclaimed money. Nigerians are typically employed to re-allocate millions of dollars to lucky Americans via email for a 100,000$ bank fee....

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    5. Re:Sophia has inspired us all by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      They're not "spoof" articles. They're examples of absurdist humor. You need to have charisma to see their humor.

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    6. Re:Sophia has inspired us all by InvalidError · · Score: 1

      No Orleans has some decent gags... at least for people who are mostly unaffected by what happened in the area.

      "Due to its current location of mostly underwater, humidity in No Orleans often exceeds 100%."

  7. using a dremel? by dmf415 · · Score: 0

    Disassemble the iPod Nano using a screwdriver, and a Dremel. Use a very fine bit on the Dremel to avoid tarnishing the finish. Separate the two halves of the shell, and lay them on the table. Remove each part and place them separately. Remove the click wheel, and battery components to expose the mainboard. Remove the LCD screen with care, as it is very delicate. Avoid allowing dust to settle on it. When you are done, it should look like this.

    Using a dremel on your iPod Nano? OUCH!!

    1. Re:using a dremel? by elmegil · · Score: 1

      Ees a joke. Look carefully at the "photo" showing the wiring of the nano to the HD. Can you say "sloppy photoshop"?

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  8. Like the Black Widow by merkhet · · Score: 5, Funny

    Much like the black widow, after the battery life of the Nano completely drains, the Maxtor Diamond will attempt to eat the iPod Nano for sustenance

    1. Re:Like the Black Widow by EddieBurkett · · Score: 0
      Much like the black widow, after the battery life of the Nano completely drains, the Maxtor Diamond will attempt to eat the iPod Nano for sustenance
      That's why they said this isn't compatible with the black iPod! You must get the white one!!!
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    2. Re:Like the Black Widow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you poster, this is one of the few comments on /. that has ever made me laugh out loud.

  9. /.ed: Oh My God, They Killed Uncyclopedia! by ettlz · · Score: 4, Funny

    You bastards!

    1. Re:/.ed: Oh My God, They Killed Uncyclopedia! by nazsco · · Score: 2, Informative

      hehe, i'd mod you up, but since i have no mod points, i will earn some karma :)

      coral cache:
      http://uncyclopedia.org.nyud.net:8090/wiki/Ipod_Na no_200gb_Instructions

  10. Macroscopic by brokenarmsgordon · · Score: 5, Funny

    An iPod Macro, just what I've also been holding out for!

  11. welcome to last week by illtron · · Score: 2, Funny

    Apparently someone at Slashdot has invented time travel and failed to post about it. Or maybe they traveled into the future and posted about it then.

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    1. Re:welcome to last week by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 1

      No time travel here, just plain ol' /.

      Time travel would be if slashdot posted news RIGHT AFTER something happened. THEN we should start asking questions.

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    2. Re:welcome to last week by parasonic · · Score: 0

      No, Doc, it's called a repost.

    3. Re:welcome to last week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just the latest subscriber benefit: STORIES from the mysterious PAST!!!

    4. Re:welcome to last week by niXcamiC · · Score: 1
      I notice your sig has a error, it should say
      Slashdot: 24 hours behind slashdot or your money back!
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    5. Re:welcome to last week by bazonkers · · Score: 1

      I posted about my time travel machine on Oct 24th, 2024. It was duped on Oct 26th, 2024. And the 27th as well.

    6. Re:welcome to last week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why are you here?

      If you're that confused about slashdot's role that it bothers you enough to complain in your .sig, then why bother being here.
      Why not go to all the other sites instead and have your news earlier?

  12. Brass Monkey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suppose the Brass Monkey can substitute for music when you break your Nano

  13. Already slashdotted by rasty · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The link has been already slashdotted! I guess uncyclopedia.org is running on a modded iPod too?

  14. Coral cache by bcat24 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Try this link.

  15. see also... by FuriousBalancing · · Score: 5, Funny

    12 minute battery hack for iPod Nano!

    1. Re:see also... by enderwig · · Score: 1
      12 minute battery hack for iPod Nano!
      More like 6 minutes! coral cache
  16. Next hack for Nano by Ingolfke · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does anyone know of a hack to get thet battery life on the 200Gb Nano up from 6-minutes? I'm thinking maybe a car battery could be used for power. Any thoughts?

    1. Re:Next hack for Nano by EnsilZah · · Score: 1

      How about a surplus nuclear generator from a russian submarine?
      You know what they say... In soviet russia battery drains YOU...

    2. Re:Next hack for Nano by Mercano · · Score: 1

      How about one of these guys? (They are Radioisotope thermoelectric generators, an odd source of nuclear power that are used in, say, space probes, where you need a very reliable source of power and are willing to compromise on efficiency.) Fun stuff.

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    3. Re:Next hack for Nano by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 1

      Your best bet is reversible computing, so that you don't use any actual energy, or failing that, some sort of Zero Point energy source, as it would be pretty much limitless. Or you could just buy the power adapter and charge it for an hour after every song.

    4. Re:Next hack for Nano by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Come on, odd source? you stick a warm nuclear pile under some peltier devices and whammo long term power. You could almost do this with the raw ore. (especially in space where the insulation is very good)

      Not nearly as odd as direct nuclear-electric (or as inefficient I might add)

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    5. Re:Next hack for Nano by MHobbit · · Score: 1

      The portability may be atrocious, but this would be overshadowed by the fact that you could raise the battery life from 6 minutes to a whopping 1 minute!!! Wait a minute, you said car battery, not AAA battery...

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    6. Re:Next hack for Nano by fletchzip · · Score: 0

      I like to take my modded nano jogging but the power lead only allows me to run around the living room. Your car battery idea has opened a whole new world of running to me.

  17. Raid by zerobeat · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think I'm going to wait for a Raid hack...

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    1. Re:Raid by zarmanto · · Score: 1
      "I think I'm going to wait for a Raid hack..."

      I think you may have missed this article from back in February.

    2. Re:Raid by zerobeat · · Score: 1

      Too cool! Umm no - not really.

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  18. Still Waiting by Seumas · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In all seriousness, size is the only reason I haven't bought an iPod. I bought one in 2003 and gave it away by the end of the year to a coworker. I don't want to just carry a few songs with me. I want to carry my entire collection. And not just MP3s and AACs, but OGGs, too. Theoretically, I would like to store and listen to all of my music on a single device. I don't want to store 100% of my collection on an external drive, plug it into my laptop, connect the ipod to my laptop and copy of 20% of my collection at any one time.

    So as soon as these suckers hit around 300gbs, I'll be buying one.

    1. Re:Still Waiting by xgamer04 · · Score: 1

      I want to carry my entire collection. And not just MP3s and AACs, but OGGs, too.

      Good luck with that OGG thing. Apple's been ignoring us since forever.

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    2. Re:Still Waiting by rock217 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because its a good idea to store all of your (song) data in ONE PLACE, because it will NEVER FAIL.

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    3. Re:Still Waiting by Seumas · · Score: 1

      I'm okay with MP3 (I don't give a rat's ass about AAC) and I don't need OGG except that often a lot of good stuff is distributed only in OGG and it'd be nice to just have the support for it built in for those occasions. It's not like it's a difficult thing for them to do and some/most other portable players do have it.

      Of course iPod is sadly the benchmark player and every other player seems to be lacking in even bigger areas than the few minor ones iPod does. :/

    4. Re:Still Waiting by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      I wish they made portable players that would play things like IT, MOD and XM files. I've got more hours of music in those formats than I can listen to in a week of 24/7 playing.

      IT's virtual channels slowed my old 166MHz laptop to a crawl, though, so it might require some tweaking. Heck, that file skips on my 750MHz desktop machine! /me ponders a hardware implementation of a module-format player.

    5. Re:Still Waiting by Seumas · · Score: 1

      You've never heard of a backup, huh?

    6. Re:Still Waiting by mrm677 · · Score: 1

      Gave away your iPod to a co-worker because of size, huh? Was she at least a DD and did you get to touch?

    7. Re:Still Waiting by Seumas · · Score: 1

      No, I gave the full size ipod to a male coworker.

      I did give a female coworker my "nano" though. *snicker*

    8. Re:Still Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And by that time you might want to store all your collection as wav files, and complain again for the lack of space. Or your collection might have doubled. Or something.

    9. Re:Still Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha Ha! Good one!

    10. Re:Still Waiting by Pope · · Score: 1

      So, wait, 60GB is "only a few songs?" That's a bit ridiculous. Good luck trying to manage that with any sort of efficiency.

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    11. Re:Still Waiting by aleatory_story · · Score: 1

      I suppose it's all relative. My mp3 archive sits at about 180GB, and I'm always looking for more. Storage unfortunately holds me back. If I knew that I had endless storage... I could easily be heading toward a terabyte or so of music. I'd just go crazy on random DC++ hubs, grabbing as much music as I can and checking it out. Especially on foreign servers, there's bound to be artists I haven't heard of before that I could potentially like.

      When you go beyond the mainstream and start getting into various genres, it becomes pretty mindblowing how much good music is really out in the world. Not only today's independent artists, but throughout the past six decades or so. Jazz, folk, blues, hip-hop, avant-garde, et cetera--I love it all, and have a human drive to listen to as much as I can... but unfortunately not a hard drive that will fit it all.

      So, in other words, 60GB is nothing. It's just a tiny molecule compared to what's out in the world. Organizing it isn't too difficult with ID3 tags.

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    12. Re:Still Waiting by Seumas · · Score: 1

      One artist's entire discography could easily consume 1.5gb or more, encoded as a decent clip. 60gb is nothing.

    13. Re:Still Waiting by calculadoru · · Score: 1

      Mate, if you only need 300 GB for your collection, you're in serious need of some proper musical education.

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    14. Re:Still Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, by then you'll have 600GB worth of music.

  19. More than I'll ever use? by Demon-Xanth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My gmail account has some 827MB worth of crap on it. I'm filling it at pretty close to the growing rate.

    Remember that 1GB HD that you'd never fill up?
    The 32MB of RAM that was workstation levels?
    The fast 14.4k modem?

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    1. Re:More than I'll ever use? by 'nother+poster · · Score: 1

      Umm, excuse me, but that was a 5 MB 5.25" full height MFM harddrive from miniscribe that I told my wife we could never fill up. It actually took almost 3 months. :)

    2. Re:More than I'll ever use? by terrymr · · Score: 1

      I still remember my 32MB hard disk.

    3. Re:More than I'll ever use? by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1
      Pah, I remember this.

      (Bloody kids! Get off my lawn! etc)

    4. Re:More than I'll ever use? by hanshotfirst · · Score: 1

      I still HAVE my 32MB hard disk. My first SCSI hand-me-down, so it was super cool and fast to use as a swap partition in my 486.

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    5. Re:More than I'll ever use? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      32MB? Didn't a certain somebody say that 640k should be enough for everybody?

  20. So what's next? by sdpuppy · · Score: 1
    How about instructions for adding 4 "D" cells to your Nano for extra play life (plus, they're easy to replace!)

    I've actually been known to do that - for my cameras...

    1. Re:So what's next? by manno · · Score: 1

      I used to hack my old nes, gameboy, and SNES batery save cartriges and replace the small watch batery they used to hold the charge with AA, and AAA bateries. Loosing my families F-Zero track times was the impetus for this... it was a cold day in the houshold when we found out all those hours of sibling rivalry were gone without a trace.

      -matt

  21. Re:Ah yes by PortHaven · · Score: 0

    wait,....

    you mean "It's a Joke" form factor ;)

  22. I think Uncyclopedia needs this upgrade by saskboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    It seems Uncyclopedia forgot to upgrade their server with a 200 Trilobyte WAN connection. You'd think they'd put their own good advice to use and avoid the Slashdot effect?

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    1. Re:I think Uncyclopedia needs this upgrade by j_cavera · · Score: 1

      200 trilobyte connection? I've heard of sneakernet, but those things have got to have a horrific latency.

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    2. Re:I think Uncyclopedia needs this upgrade by Infinityis · · Score: 1

      Maybe if they didn't remove their hard drive to put it in a Nano, this sort of thing would have been preventable...

    3. Re:I think Uncyclopedia needs this upgrade by Rorschach1 · · Score: 1

      My God... it's full of arthropods!

    4. Re:I think Uncyclopedia needs this upgrade by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

      a trilobyte (sp?) is an ancient aquaeous spider.

      a terabyte is a thousand gigabytes

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    5. Re:I think Uncyclopedia needs this upgrade by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

      I know I'm gonna catch some slashdot nazis on this...

      yes trilobites were not spiders.

      But horseshoe crabs (their modern look-alikes) are more closely related to arachnids than arthropods... this according to my high school marine biology teacher and never substantiated with fact so YMMV

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    6. Re:I think Uncyclopedia needs this upgrade by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Do you think that maybe Uncyclopedia, a HUMOR SITE, would purposely confuse two words for comedic purposes? ... nah.

    7. Re:I think Uncyclopedia needs this upgrade by saskboy · · Score: 1

      "a terabyte is a thousand gigabytes" ...Thus the humour in my comment and the +5 moderation :-)

      But thanks for the tip just in case I was serious. A petabyte connection would have been overkill anyhow.

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    8. Re:I think Uncyclopedia needs this upgrade by rk · · Score: 1

      Ummm.... Arachnids are arthropods. Arachnida is a class of the phylum Arthropoda. You may be thinking that horseshoe crabs are more closely related to spiders than other crabs, which is correct. Horseshoe crabs and spiders are in the same subphylum, but crabs are crustaceans and more distantly related.

      Just another pedantic Slashdot nazi. :-)

    9. Re:I think Uncyclopedia needs this upgrade by JabberWokky · · Score: 1
      They are nifty to pick up and peer at the underside. They also sure hurt like hell when a friend or sibling throws them at you.

      Ah, the benefits of growing up on an island. You have a very intimate, tactile appreciation of quite a bit of marine life. Especially the effects when hurled by a fellow child at your back. Man'o'War tentacles do a nifty spiral up the legs if you pop the sail first.

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  23. Re:Ah yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And we all know how long the iPod's battery will keep that hard drive spinning. Oh wait, this is an Apple product so it get's posted despite the "It's a Joke" factor.

    Yes. It is a joke. That is why it's under "Humour". Funny, that.

  24. Coral cache by rock217 · · Score: 4, Informative
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  25. Re: Ah yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, this was completely meant to be iPod product placement. Also, the link itself definitely doesn't mention the battery life thing at all. Good eye.

  26. Site already slowing down! by nubbie · · Score: 2, Informative
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    1. Re:Site already slowing down! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Google Cache!!

      Yeah; might have been a good idea if Google didn't just cache the text and then let the user pull the images from the original website....

  27. Portability? by rock217 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Its a shame you lose some portability needing to power the drive and all, I would have liked to see a nice car battery attatched supplying the DC 12v.

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  28. Coral Cache by xsarpedonx · · Score: 1

    Coral Cache Stop breaking Uncyclopedia you heathens.

  29. site slashdotted by Chubby_C · · Score: 2, Funny

    can't read... don't own a nano anyway so it doesn't matter too much; just wanted to feed the curiousity. my biggest question is, and always has been: Can Slashdot be slashdotted?

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    1. Re:site slashdotted by FinestLittleSpace · · Score: 1

      How the hell can MORE people visit slashdot FROM links on slashdot?

    2. Re:site slashdotted by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 1

      Nowadays the definition of slashdotted doesn't require the visitors to be from slashdot. And he was joking, chill. :)

    3. Re:site slashdotted by Null537 · · Score: 0

      It can be if Livejournal starts linking to /.

    4. Re:site slashdotted by n3k5 · · Score: 1
      How the hell can MORE people visit slashdot FROM links on slashdot?
      This has already been answered in a reply to this post.
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  30. Or Google cache by bcat24 · · Score: 1

    Or maybe try these links: main page, first subpage, second subpage, third subpage. They're slow, but they do load eventually.

    1. Re:Or Google cache by Kalak · · Score: 1

      Google doesn't cache the images, so half the humor is lost (and that's why it's slow to load).

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  31. Offtopic by slthytove · · Score: 1

    Darn you all! You slashdotted my wiki host!

    Good old Wikia, providing free MediaWikis (at http://www.wikicities.com/), and you had to go ahead and kill it. I hope you're proud of yourself.

    1. Re:Offtopic by bcat24 · · Score: 1

      I always thought Wikicities ran on Wikimedia servers.

    2. Re:Offtopic by AngelaB · · Score: 1

      No, Wikicities does not run on Wikimedia servers. Wikicities is not a Wikimedia project. Wikicities and Uncyclopedia are managed by Wikia, a for-profit company, whereas Wikimedia, though run by some of the same people, is a non-profit organization that relies on grants and donations rather than Google ads.

    3. Re:Offtopic by TheHawke · · Score: 1

      Tisk, tisk, tisk... You guys blew the wiki's binder up. XD

      This calls for library paste... A gallon of it!

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  32. RIAA and iTune store by anandpur · · Score: 1

    RIAA will be happy to sell you 200 GB of songs, think how fast they will get rich.

  33. This guy is funny. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "As your new iPod Nano with expanded storage capacity will no longer require the puny amounts that it originally came with, you should ... desolder the flash onboard the iPod Nano. Once you've done so, you can throw away the memory chips, as they are no longer necessary."

    Or send them to me.

  34. Check out all these speculations.... by Mayhem178 · · Score: 0

    The hacked up iPod Nano weighs in at an extremely portable 0 lbs., and has a battery life of exactly one half of 10 minutes.

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  35. Coral cache by gerbalblaste · · Score: 1, Funny

    coral cache got slashdotted

  36. Site has been slashdotted... by vigyanik · · Score: 1
  37. Feasible. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    You joke, but it wouldn't be very hard. Not that long ago I saw a hack (in Macaddict magazine, I believe) on how you could run an iPod Shuffle off of a 9V battery. Basically you just take a USB extension cable and cut it a few inches away from the female end, connect the 9V battery to a solid-state +5V voltage regulator (Radioshack) and connect that to the appropriate wires in the USB cable. Wrap with duct tape and enjoy.

    If you could find a +5V regulator that would work with just 1V of overhead, you'd be in business -- just replace the 9V with four D-cells. Or heck, why screw around with flashlight batteries. Get yourself a sealed lead-acid brick and you're in business. All it needs is a shoulder strap.

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    1. Re:Feasible. by sdpuppy · · Score: 1
      Not to fuss, but you nees at least 2 capacitors for proper regulation :-)

      Problem with 9 volt battery & regulator is the quiescent current which can drain the battey by itself - LM 7805 outputs an amp, quiescent current is in mA. Maybe a LM2936 if 50 mA output is sufficient (the quiescent current with that chip is in micro amps).

      SInce we're dealing with batteries whose voltage should be fairly stable, probably a string of diodes to drop the voltage to around 5 volts. I can't imagine that the voltage tolerances are extremely tight - +- 0.3 V is probably OK (without looking at specs).

      However if you take that car battery and decide to run both the iPod AND the car off of it, that 5V regulator looks mighty good

      In any event, yeah, instead of operating on the iPod and obtaining a sacrificial USB cable extender and hooking it up to {some external powersource} is a good idea - especially if you're using the ipod in a "mission critical" application :-)

    2. Re:Feasible. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      I noticed the absence of the caps also, I assumed that it was because there aren't any transients in the supply to filter, since the regulator is practically attached to the battery by its leads, and the load doesn't have any high-frequency draws that would require the second cap downstream of the regulator. At least I'm hoping that's the case, it could also be that whoever did the first version didn't put any on, and everyone else has just copied that. :)

      Interesting suggestion about the diodes. I don't think I've seen that method used in any of the versions around online. I wonder how it would work though as the battery drains and the input voltage decreases: with the regulator you at least have a little extra headroom (the LM7805 needs 7.5V to maintain 5V output, IIRC) so that you'll have a stable output voltage for a while as the battery runs down (from 9.5 or whatever it starts off at to 7.5). Maybe if you used a rechargable battery with a fairly flat discharge curve this wouldn't be as much of an issue, but I could see it being one with an alkaline.

      But your point about the quiescent current is a good one. Perhaps the low tech solution would be to just install a small power switch between the battery and the regulator. When the Shuffle's internal battery is low, attach the charging contraption and turn it on; remove and turn it off after you've given the internal battery a quick charge.

      Those LP29-series regulators are pretty impressive. I think I might have to order a few LP2954s. It's a slightly higher current (250mA) than the one you suggested but still with quiescent current of 120 uA. Comes in a TO-220 package and they'll sell samples directly to individuals.

      One thing I must have missed in my summary of the MA article: it's necessary to tie both of the data pins in the USB cable to Gnd if you want the Shuffle to charge properly. Example with photos (in a honking big project box compared to the Shuffle) here.

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  38. Stupid me by paladinwannabe2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I thought this was a serious article for 5 whole seconds. I feel stupid now.

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  39. 75 mil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My math says about 3 orders of magnitude less, but still... Most people don't spend 75 thousand on music, and those who do probably wouldn't spend the time to rip every one of those 5000 cds.

  40. Not really a bad idea by aaronrp · · Score: 1

    OK, the idea of hacking an iPod nano is silly, but in all seriousness I would love to have a component-sized iPod for my stereo system. If I had a full-sized iPod with a dead battery and half a clue on how to convert between 3.5" and 1.8" drive cables...

  41. Outside?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Listen,

    It's about time all this 'outside' nonsense stops. Let me state, once and for all, there is no outside. Anyone who claims otherwise is trying to undermine the fabric of our society and should be prosecuted as the terrorists they are.

    I don't think you're aware of the potential harm this might cause. You might think it's all for a laugh, at least, I hope you do. Please don't tell me they've gotten to you and you honestly believe in the elusive 'outside'.

  42. iPod Nano becomes iPod Gigo by digitaldc · · Score: 0

    Holy cow, the cached sites are even crashing, must be a must-read article.

    Would be nice if you didn't have to attach a HDD by solder, would be better just to have an expansion slot for large capacity memory cards and/or the ability to attach an external HDD. With the Maxtor drive attached in this configuration, the Nano triples in size and you run the risk of screwing it up permanently.

    If memory expansion/capacity is what most everyone wants, I am not sure why they haven't added a memory slot for the iPod? I also often wonder how long it will be before they have 1 terrabyte cards as a standard, say maybe 1 year from now?

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    1. Re:iPod Nano becomes iPod Gigo by juanescalante · · Score: 1

      According to Moore's law, and asuming that chip complexity is directly proportional to storage capacity, if the largest memory cards available today have a capacity of 2 GB, we would be seeing TB cards in about 9 years... of course there is a physical limit to this, that may be reached before 9 years have passed.

    2. Re:iPod Nano becomes iPod Gigo by PatrickThomson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You seem to have forgotten to read 1) the slashdot article text 2) everyone elses posts. This is a JOKE, as seen by the monty python foot.

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    3. Re:iPod Nano becomes iPod Gigo by juanescalante · · Score: 1

      Sorry, that's 18 years, not 9.

  43. Why even get an ipod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're gunna expand it to 200gb, why not just get a laptop? the ipod nano was supposed to be small, but the mod would triple it in size even if it did work (i'm doubting that it does).

  44. Other iPod Hacks by wehe · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are many other hacks for the Apple iPod family available already. From the first generation iPods as well as for the iPod Shuffle and iPod mini. You may also find links to hacks for accessories like cables and headphones and batteries.

    1. Re:Other iPod Hacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and please don't forget the nanophone

  45. 120GB Archos by meehawl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The old Archos players are bulky, but they do go to 120GB when you drop in the latest Seagate 2.5" drives. Pretty sweet. It's nice being able to add $100GB to your DAP for only a hundred bucks or so.

    It's just a pity that their expansion has to stop here because their disk controller is not LBA and only reads up to the ~127GB limit.

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  46. Wireless file system by Thud457 · · Score: 1
    If you hook your iPod Nano up to use GMail as wireless remote storage that would be a cool hack!

    (Make it growable, redundant and auto-backed up and you have Google's next project!)

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  47. MOD PARENT UP!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +1 So Clueless it's Funny!

  48. Re:Hoax! by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 1

    A very clever observation, you deserve a cookie.

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  49. Uncyclopedia vs. Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Back in the spring, I saw a "Coming Soon" announcement for Uncyclopedia which said It's like Wikipedia, only you can make shit up!

  50. Uh, wtf is a gb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty sad when they're able to write iPod correctly, but not GB ...
    Furthermore, what the hell is a 'gigs'. Giga isn't english, you don't apply english rules to the word.

    For the rest of the inept crowd out there -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte

    More like news for idiots who can't spell.

    1. Re:Uh, wtf is a gb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a special place in hell for grammer nazis.

    2. Re:Uh, wtf is a gb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's grammer? Oh, you mean grammar. Gotcha. The original poster wasn't even correcting grammar anyways. Try www.dictionary.com before you attempt to make a crack next time.

  51. fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a bloody fake.. why do so few see this?

  52. in 3 years.. by perler · · Score: 2, Insightful
    this is that kind of story you read in 3 years and thinks "wow, that was a joke at that time?!" - quite like an april fools joke in an (east-)german DIY mag in the early eighties about a "poket tv" complete with DIY blueprints and part list, haha ;) - at that time you just couldn't imagine happen something like this because "you will never get a tube so flat to get into your pocket!"

    PAT

  53. It's all fun and games until someone gets /.'ed by AngryNick · · Score: 4, Funny
    Ok, everyone stop clicking on the link for the next 2 minutes. I've got work to do and you guys are all hogging the server. I'll let you know when I'm done.

    Feel free to visit this link while you wait for me (I'm a slow reader).

    1. Re:It's all fun and games until someone gets /.'ed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      holy shit you just wasted an hour of company time with yet more flash games that are more aggravating than fun.

  54. big B little b by cerelib · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Does anybody else get tired of the seemingly interchangeable way that bytes(B) and bits(b) are used by many people?

    1. Re:big B little b by saskboy · · Score: 1

      I get a little tired of people's lose use of bits when they mean Bytes. I mean did they loose their mind or something?

      Fortunately, I'd never be that moranic as I never misspeel or misunderstand good spelling advise.

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  55. all recording is lossy by gad_zuki! · · Score: 5, Interesting

    >Would this be a bad time to mention that all digital audio is by definition lossey?

    Wait. What makes "digital" lossy but non-digital non-lossy?

    Pick any analog method of recording and duplication. Its lossy. Now toss in playback equipment, speakers, ears, etc.

    I don't see how your neo-luddite comment applies nor why it should be modded up.

    Arguably, digital methods are non-lossy over time considering current analog recordings (tapes, LPs) over time simply disintegrate causing all sorts of loss, while digital data can be reproduced without loss over generations and onto different digital media thus avoiding the aging problem. Copy that Office 2000 CD all you like, after the 8th generation you arent suddenly going to lose spell checker. Same with digital audio. Now copy that audio tape 8 times and tell me its not lossy.

    1. Re:all recording is lossy by ARColeslaw · · Score: 1

      Your definition of "lossy" is a bit off. It's not a loss-over-time issue; rather, it is a compression/decompression issue. Encoding analog audio into a digitally compressed format will result in some loss when it is decompressed, i.e. played back in analog. There will be some loss there (high-end treble and low-end bass usually suffer the most), but it is "close enough" to justify the reduction in file size.

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    2. Re:all recording is lossy by the_wesman · · Score: 2, Informative

      forget playback, forget the imperfections in the equipment, just think of this in purely theoretical terms for a moment....

      when you have a sine wave it is continuous and smooth - now picture a digital representation of that (for this example, we'll talk CD-quality - 16-bit, 44.1KHz) - in the digital representation, you don't have a smooth curve, you have a stair step (I'm not sure if you've taken calc, but think of all those 'area under the curve' problems) - the sine wave gets samples 44,100 times every second which causes the stair step, as the sampling rate increases, the stair steps get smaller and as the limit (of the sampling rate) approaches infinity, the steps get infinitely small, but there will always be a stair-step/jaggy effect - this is the nature of the beast....

      in theory, you can get the stair-steps small enough that "no one" call tell the difference, but the poster is right on, digital is "lossy" in this respect as you can never fully 100% represent an analogue curve. the poster is not talking about long-time signal degredation, but rather the raw mathematical concepts involved in digital simulations of "real world" concepts....

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    3. Re:all recording is lossy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No analog curve will every reproduce any other analog curve either. No pair of playbacks of the same analog recording will ever even produce the same wave. Digital takes a one time accuracy hit, sure, but that can be reduced to an arbitrary level with sample rate and sample bits. And of course the ADC and DAC involved have to be taken into account... but to imply that digital is INHERENTLY less accurate than analog because "analog is curvy" is absurd.

    4. Re:all recording is lossy by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      Wait. What makes "digital" lossy but non-digital non-lossy?

      This whole thing is getting weird. By definition, all recorded music is "lossy". In fact, the best recording gear simply makes more pleasing alterations and distortions than the lower quality stuff. If they were to simply transfer the soundwaves completely "losslessly", then there would be no difference in equipment whatsoever, it would all be exactly the same.

      Now, the difference between "lossy" and "lossless" encoding techniques of an _already recorded_ soundfile is that the lossy one cannot ever be converted back to the original file, but a lossless one will.

      Its the difference between JPEG compression and zip compression. JPEG is lossy, you can best see it with straight lines and very subtle color changes across a wide surface, even more so when the compression is "better", meaning a smaller file size, but the quality of the picture will suffer. You cannot ever recreate the original digital file from the JPEG.

      Zip, hopefully uncompresses the files exactly as they were compressed. Its not a good idea to transfer source code, executables, documents in a lossy format, because you can never get back the original.

    5. Re:all recording is lossy by aminorex · · Score: 1

      By *definition*?

      What about my new recording system that encapsulates the performance in a space-time bubble and reconnects its starting time with the point at which you press "play"?
      Huh? What about that, then, Mr. Smartypants Webster?

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    6. Re:all recording is lossy by littlebro · · Score: 1

      You are like saying you could not step twice into the same river. This has nothing to do with what lossy or lossless means in the compression world. Go read a textbook before posting nonsense.

    7. Re:all recording is lossy by nathanh · · Score: 1
      when you have a sine wave it is continuous and smooth - now picture a digital representation of that (for this example, we'll talk CD-quality - 16-bit, 44.1KHz) - in the digital representation, you don't have a smooth curve, you have a stair step (I'm not sure if you've taken calc, but think of all those 'area under the curve' problems) - the sine wave gets samples 44,100 times every second which causes the stair step, as the sampling rate increases, the stair steps get smaller and as the limit (of the sampling rate) approaches infinity, the steps get infinitely small, but there will always be a stair-step/jaggy effect - this is the nature of the beast....

      The stair-steps are very real and you are correct - a typical DAC will produce an output with those steps - however those steps have sharp edges which means they have extremely high frequencies. In fact, a step will have harmonics extending to infinity (albeit at constantly reducing volume). That's why every CD player has an output filter that removes frequencies above approximately 20kHz. This will "smooth" the stair-steps into a non-jaggy signal.

      Now what's interesting is that the smoothing effect is not lossy! The stair steps have undesirable harmonics but the DAC introduced no new frequencies below 22.05kHz. That's right, the DAC only creates high-frequency harmonics that weren't in the original signal (NB: disclaimer below), so when you remove those harmonics with the filter you are not losing anything. The combination of the stair-step DAC and the low-pass filter is a perfect reproduction of the original signal.

      The above discussion all assumes perfect filters and perfect DACs combined with perfect sampling. In practise that's impossible so there are other considerations (eg, spikes, jitter, quantisation, aliasing). But the important thing to walk away with is that your intuitive feel about stair-steps is incorrect. Admittedly you need to do a lot of maths before this becomes intuitive.

    8. Re:all recording is lossy by sshore · · Score: 1

      Analogue equipment can never fully 100% represent an analogue curve either. I think that's what the original poster was trying to get at.

      Barring the case, of course, where you're recording with analogue equipment that introduces no noise and no bias into the signal, and recording onto a medium that has infinite dynamic range. If you've got one of these setups, you probably also have a digital recorder with an infinite sampling rate.

    9. Re:all recording is lossy by Chops+II · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that then not technically be a recording though, since your actually getting the original playing over and over :P? When that technology comes around, we probly wont be in this universe anymore.

  56. Hmm... by advs89 · · Score: 1
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  57. MOD PARENT UP by Qubit · · Score: 1

    I was going to go do the math myself, but AC beat me to it.

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  58. melted plastic by pwnDonkey · · Score: 1

    I think I just contributed to the "slashdot effect". The page is unavailable as the Server probably melted from hits....

  59. how about a more useful hack? by RelliK · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here is what would be a lot more useful:

    - buy a 20GB iPod
    - buy a 80GB 1.8" HD
    - upgrade the HD in the iPod

    This would be awesome if you fill up the HD but don't want to shell out $$$ for a whole new unit. Is this possible? I'd love to buy a 20GB model knowing that if I ever run out of space I can upgrade the HD.

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  60. Shannon Sampling Theorem by DrJimbo · · Score: 4, Informative
    Your argument is compelling, intuitive and dead wrong.

    The Shannon Sampling Theorem states:

    When sampling a signal (e.g., converting from an analog signal to digital), the sampling frequency must be greater than twice the bandwidth of the input signal in order to be able to reconstruct the original perfectly from the sampled version.
    To put it into term that you can understand, if your ear cannot detect frequencies higher than 22.05 kilohertz then a sampling rate of 44.1 samples per second can perfectly reproduce any sound you can hear.

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    1. Re:Shannon Sampling Theorem by norton_I · · Score: 1

      Though the parent was wrong about the stairstep effect (all audioe D/A converters have output filtering to remove the high frequency components) that does not change the fact that a finite sampling rate cannot perfectly reproduce an analoge signal. It may be good enough for people, since humans have limited response to frequencies over 20 KHz, but it still isn't a perfect reproduction.

      Also, even with band limited signals, a fixed sampling rate can only perfectly reproduce a signal if the samples have infinite precision, otherwise you will have quantization errors.

      It is worth noting that an unfiltered D/A output (with stairsteps) will sound awful despite the fact that our ears cannot directly hear the high frequency noise being filtered out. Since our ears, all speakers, and objects in the environment are non-linear, high frequency components can generate audible difference frequency signals. The upshot of all this is that working at a higher sampling rate, giving you more room to do filtering and reject ultrasonic noise makes an audible difference, at least to some people on some equipment.

    2. Re:Shannon Sampling Theorem by Ironix · · Score: 1

      Ok... I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to do this... =p "that does not change the fact that a finite sampling rate cannot perfectly reproduce an analoge signal" To reproduce any analoge signal in it's entirety, I supoose you'd have to sample every single shred of EM radiation and particle movement/decay within the sound bubble of where the audio originated from. =)

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    3. Re:Shannon Sampling Theorem by DrJimbo · · Score: 2, Informative
      Your argument is based on jumping around between three different domains:
      • Mathematics
      • Physics
      • Engineering

      You raise the problem of quantization error without mentioning signal to noise ratio. In the real world the signal to noise ratio is never infinite in analog systems. If the quantization errors are random and are well below the noise level in the analog parts of a system then they can be treated as a small component of the analog noise and they don't significantly contribute to any imperfections in the signal.

      You say "humans have limited response to frequencies over 20 [k]Hz". My own tests and tons of scientific studies have shown that humans have a limited response to signals over 15 kHz and no response to signals over 20 kHz.

      You go on to say " [...] even with band limited signals". All signals in the physical universe are time limited and band limited. The real world signals dealt with in audio engineering are even more limited. The only realm where non-band-limited signals exist is in abstract mathematics such as the field of Measure Theory. I've studied Measure Theory and AFAIK, it has no practical application in the real world, either in physics or engineering.

      Your point that all analog systems are eventually non-linear is a good one. Unfortunately that is one of the key arguments why digital computation and reproduction is superior to analog. Your point is also misleading because you do not include the fact that all analog systems also have a finite signal to noise ratio and deal with a limited dynamic range of signals.

      Finally your point that it is often useful to use a sampling rate that is greater than 2x the maximum frequency in the signal is totally valid. This issue is discussed in the article I linked to in my original post. I'm not 100% certain, but I am pretty sure that this engineering limitation is one of the reasons a 44.1 kHz sampling rate was chosen for CDs even though to top range of human hearing was 20 kHz. That extra 10% was to allow for anti-alias filters with a gentle enough slope so that they did not significantly distort the signal in the time domain.

      I agree with you that anti-alias filters (on both input and output) are an essential part of a well designed digital recording system.

      My key point is that claims that physical real-world digital recording systems can't record abstract, mathematically perfect analog signals are misleading and perhaps meaningless.

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    4. Re:Shannon Sampling Theorem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true either. A 22.05KHz sine wave, sampled at 44.1KHz could end up as

        - a full amplitude square wave
        - zero amplitude (ie. nothing)
        - somewhere in between (a square wave of varying amplitudes)

      depending on the phase of the sampling clock in comparison to the signal being sampled.

    5. Re:Shannon Sampling Theorem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok... I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to do this... You don't even have the slightest clue as to how sound is transmitted, it has nothing to do with EM radiation and there is no such thing as a sound bubble.

    6. Re:Shannon Sampling Theorem by anethema · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wrong. You can perfectly reconstruct a 22.05khz sine wave sampling at 44.1khz.

      You can NOT accuratly reconstruct a 22.05khz square wave with a 44.1khz sampling clock. Look up nyquist's theorum.

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    7. Re:Shannon Sampling Theorem by anethema · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just to let the lazy ones know (since it shows this in the wikipedia link) this is nearly ALWAYS refered to as the nyquist theorum.

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    8. Re:Shannon Sampling Theorem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While in theory this is true, you are conviently omitting quantization noise and the analog filters used during A/D and D/A. There are lots of things in practice that screws theory up.

      Incidently, the filters are one reason why many feel higher sampling rates than CD give better sound even though the ear cannot hear as high as 48kHz or 96 kHz.

    9. Re:Shannon Sampling Theorem by norton_I · · Score: 1

      Sorry, my point was not to claim that you cannot make a digital recording that does not limit the reproduction quality -- obviously you can. The point was that a lot of people do not understand and therefore incorrectly use the sampling theorem. To not pay very close attention to factors such as quantization error, aliasing an the non-linear response of output elements will lead to a system with dramatically lower SNR than you would like or expect. I have found a tendancy of people to ignore the digital part of the signal, assuming that if the sampling rate is high enough it will be lossless, and in practice this is often not true.

    10. Re:Shannon Sampling Theorem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is actually a pretty bad misreading of the Shannon sampling theorem. Given perfect filters, or a sound source strictly limited to 20KHz, 44.1KHz would be adequate to reproduce sounds 22.05KHz perfectly. The problem is an effect called aliasing (which has very little to do with aliasing in graphics). If you record at 40KHz, a sound at 25KHz will appear as a sound at 15KHz. A sound at 30KHz will reflect down to a sound at 10KHz, and so on. To see how this works, draw a high frequency sine wave on a piece of paper (say, go up and down 10 times per inch). Pick off points every 1.01 inches. You'll get a low frequency sine wave.

      A trumpet will have sounds up to about 100KHz, which we do not hear. If you record at 44KHz, you have two choices. Either the high frequency sounds interfere with your recording, or you put in a filter that removes things above 22KHz. No filter is perfect -- it either won't get everything above 20KHz, or it'll affect stuff below 20KHz. That's the reason for 96KHz audio -- you can easily remove everything above 48KHz, without affecting sounds noticably below 20KHz.

    11. Re:Shannon Sampling Theorem by earthstar · · Score: 1
      44.1 kHz sampling rate was chosen for CDs even though to top range of human hearing was 20 kHz

      Then why do DvD's have audio sampled @ 48 khz ?
    12. Re:Shannon Sampling Theorem by shplorb · · Score: 1

      Because it allows them to use cheaper electronics. (see 'aliasing')

    13. Re:Shannon Sampling Theorem by adamgolding · · Score: 1

      lack of concious perception does not imply lack of processing. just because we can't HEAR above 22.05 Khz doesn't mean higher frequencies don't make point with contacts at some point in the ear, and pipe into non-conscious cognitive processes. for instance, maybe 'inaudible' frequencies could still affect the mood that a piece of music puts you into, by a channel other than conscious perception. i'm not claiming that this happens--it may or may not--but one can't go from "we don't report hearing frequencies above 22.05" to "sampling above 44.1 is irrelevant to sound quality". Lack of perception does not imply lack of effect. all we can say, perhaps, is that no study has demonstrated any effects of those missing higher partials. tests, as in all science are ongoing. on the other hand, yes, that dude needs to learn about the Nyquist frequency.

    14. Re:Shannon Sampling Theorem by Ironix · · Score: 1

      Actually, sorry, but I have more of a clue than you do.

      E=mc^2

      All sound is the product of subatomic particles interacting with each other, on a fundamental basis anyhow. If you want to sample a sound in its entirety, and this is going way too far, you'd have to know everything that happened within the area down to a subatomic level.

      Sound is the product of a wave propagating through a medium, gas, liquid, solid, plasma, whatever. Even if it's just one atom that becomes ionized, it creates a sound via its interactions with neighbouring particles, causing them to move ever so slightly. However, it's not one anyone would hear...

      My statement was purely rhetorical in any case...

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    15. Re:Shannon Sampling Theorem by unitron · · Score: 1
      "A trumpet will have sounds up to about 100KHz..."

      ...and it'll be played into a microphone with nowhere near that much range which will feed into electronics with nowhere near that range.

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  61. MacAddict show how by alfredo · · Score: 1

    this month. Check it out.

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  62. MOD PARENT REDUNDANT +1! by fuyu-no-neko · · Score: 0, Redundant

    It just had to be done ;o)

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  63. Home Stereo by TheStonepedo · · Score: 1

    I realize the iPod has a user friendly interface for handheld operation, but a component-sized music player would likely be operated by remote. I don't see too many remotes with click wheels, nor do I see too many component systems that are not housed within an entertainment center several feet from the entertainee. Unless you're absolutely in love with Apple's audio codecs, the FLAC website has several links to other commercially available players which support many formats. You may have made an excellent prediction in the next direction of iPod development. A home iPod device would be simpler and look better than plugging an iPod into line level jacks on a receiver.

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    1. Re:Home Stereo by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Now, what would be cool would be an iPod like remote for your component MP3 player. It would have a screen and the wheel, along with a wireless connection to talk to the box. The box would contain harddrive(s), as well as all the decoding chips and the brains of the MP3 player. It would preferably have digital out, and an ethernet jack and/or wifi to hook up to your home network. That way you would have the best of both worlds - the familiar iPod interface, but the storage and sound quality you would expect from a stereo component.

  64. This once again shows why Wikipedia is useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obvious garbage like this is passed around as if it isn't a scam. This yet again shows the problems with Wiki. There's no real control. The inmates are running the asylum.

    Another good example of this is the lie that Wiki published that Wyoming had 57 electoral votes during the 2004 elections. I don't know what the person that edited that Wiki page hoped to gain from that lie, but it certainly upset a lot of people. That bit of misinformation ended-up repeated on dozens of web sites.

  65. It's a fake by Revvy · · Score: 1

    It's an obvious fake. The photos are taken from the Ars Technica autopsy of the Nano. If you look closely at the picture with the "attached" ATA board, it's clear the wires are Photoshopped in.

    1. Re:It's a fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No kidding. The fact that it was on Uncyclodepia.org didn't tip you off?

    2. Re:It's a fake by markdavis · · Score: 1

      "Photoshopped in"? Photoshop is now a verb AND the only way to do such a thing??? How do you know it wasn't GIMP'ed in? Or OpenOffice'ed in? Or Inkscaped in?

    3. Re:It's a fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you a real dumbass or just playing one on teh Interwebs?

    4. Re:It's a fake by Anonymous+Squonk · · Score: 1

      Did the "It's Funny, Laugh" classification help to tip you off on this?

    5. Re:It's a fake by TerranFury · · Score: 1

      Come on, EVERYBODY has Photoshop! (And none of them paid for it. ;-) )

      [Side observation: Adobe's business model depends on warez. Were it not for free copies of Photoshop on the black market, people wouldn't learn to use it, and it would not be the industry standard. Adobe makes its money from corporations who buy copies to put on their workers' computers -- workers who first learned to use Photoshop with pirated copies.]

    6. Re:It's a fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Photoshop is now a verb AND the only way to do such a thing???"

      Yes. No.
      It's like kleenex, hoover, velcro, tivo - the brand name is the word now.

      I hope that cleared things up for you. Perhaps in future you could simply infer these things from the context in which they are used?

    7. Re:It's a fake by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Oh come on!

      How dare you rip a good quality source like uncyclopida. Its the only source where I can have an actual representation of FreeBSD

      http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD

  66. Dupe Bot by Mulletproof · · Score: 2, Funny

    Didn't you know that it's a script that accepts and rejects your stories based on keywords, the status of your slashdot subscription and a random accept/reject flag? Obviously you either forgot to subscribe, spam the proper keywords or just plain failed the randomly scripted check.

    Only after all that does it go to a live reviewer to be duped ^_^

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    1. Re:Dupe Bot by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      you just need to write a bot that submits the article to multiple accounts at once. and hopefully you'll get a whole selection of editors and one of them could approve it. I suspect this is how slashdot gets so many dups.

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    2. Re:Dupe Bot by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      You'd have to spread it out through the day, the editors work on shifts.

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    3. Re:Dupe Bot by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      If you send enough they will be forced to have more than one editor per shift!

      It's a perfect plan that cannot fail.

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  67. If you still think this is a real article... by parking_god · · Score: 1

    ... the 'tested' battery life should convince you otherwise:

    iPod Nano Retail 8:23 play time
    upgraded 200gb iPod 0:06

    So you'd get to play about 1.5 of those 50,000 songs between recharges...

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  68. But everything is on player piano rolls. by crovira · · Score: 1

    The RIAA has sued EVERY maker of ANY new technology. And they've kept up the senseless, relentless assault until one of their existing or future clients figures out a way to make money doing it. They don't care about who's progress is being retarded or even how many people get hurt.

    Thee **AAs are in, exactly in, and ONLY in, the business of stopping progress. They have nothing else to sell. And they are selling it... If they weren't getting paid, they wouldn't be doing it.

    The **AAs have nothing else to sell. Not creativity, not talent, not artistry. Just the bloody-mindedness that lower life forms bring to the pursuit of food. The **AAs just hire lawyers, people who are moral relativists and only see things in terms of conflicts that make them money.

    Go after the **AAs customers. Write to the heads of all the companies and tell THEM to stop treating you like criminals or you'll stop buying. And then STOP BUYING!

    Then and only then will you be rid of DRM and zones and restrictions.

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    1. Re:But everything is on player piano rolls. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...or just stop buying.

      Here are some suggestions for anyone who actually cares:

      1) Tell your family and friends that you don't want CDs or DVDs as gifts this year. Explain why.
      2) If they're a bit naive and you want to be a real bastard tell them that it is because "Blu-Ray is right around the corner" and you don't want to be stuck with the modern equivalent of a box of 8-tracks.
      3) If you do get CDs or DVDs and it won't cause WWIII, return them: get some cool hardware instead (at day-after-Boxing-Day prices too!).
      4) Buy used
      5) Buy local
      6) Buy indy
      7) Spread the word. If we start now and keep it up for just 2 months, we can put a good dent in a multi-billion dollar industry.

      The RIAA, like the advertising industry, requires very large companies with more money than brains to sponsor their efforts. Hit 'em where it hurts.

  69. Very pretty indeed... by MerlinTheWizard · · Score: 1

    Who are they kidding? :D It kinda looks like crap with the HDD being at least 4 times bigger than the iPod...

    Oh, and I love that comment too: We found in our benchmarking results that the addition of the ATA hard drive adversely affected battery life. Big surprise, really!

  70. Two Things by periol · · Score: 1

    1. For most people (and the word "most" here refers to at least 99% of the world), the iPod *would* hold their entire collection of music.

    2. I will never, ever, ever run with a non-flash mp3 player again. If you were a runner, you would understand. The hard drive will inevitably fail, probably within just a couple of months of frequent use.

    Thankfully, Apple knows that your personal preferences don't accurately represent the market for mp3 players. If your preferences did accurately represent the market, you better believe that your magic device would exist. It would be large, bulky, and ugly, but it would sure fit your entire music collection.

  71. Counter-intuitive by MHobbit · · Score: 1

    The iPod Nano was unique, one of the reasons of which was that it was flash memory-based, correct? Then wouldn't hacking it to use a hard-drive be counter-intuitive, and a step in the wrong direction? Though it may have its uses, it's just a step back from solid-state media.

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  72. Congratulations, romka1! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You've just rendered Wikicities useless! You could have posted a Coral Cache link, so people could read this tripe without interrupting the rest of Wikia's functions, but you didn't. Thanks ever so much.

  73. Re:NYQUIST-Shannon Sampling Theorem by nathanh · · Score: 1
    To put it into term that you can understand, if your ear cannot detect frequencies higher than 22.05 kilohertz then a sampling rate of 44.1 samples per second can perfectly reproduce any sound you can hear.

    That's true for theoretical conditions but in practise it's not quite that good. The maths assumes infinitely precise sample resolution and perfect sampling points. In practise a CD is limited to 16-bit resolution and due to the vagaries of electronics the sampling points will often drift by a microsecond or two from their ideal times.

    That's why when they master the CD they purposefully use a low-pass filter to cut-off the frequencies above approximately 20kHz. They lose 2kHz of frequency range that theoretically could be stored on the CD, though nobody can hear much in that range anyway so it's not a big loss. This is also why 20-bit and 24-bit recordings at 96kHz are considered useful. It's not because audiophiles (morons) have ears that can hear dog-whistle frequencies, but because it allows the encoding/decoding electronics to be simpler (simpler analogue filters) and therefore cheaper.

  74. it's a JOKE... by gotr00t · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The article is obviously satire about how some people simply don't understand the point of having an iPod. It's _NOT_ about the storage space, it's _NOT_ about the features. It's a convinent way to carry music around.

    I see it as a slap in the face for those people who say things like "the iPod should have an CF expansion slot!" or "it should have video!!!111!one"(actually it does now), because that's not the selling point of the iPod.

    1. Re:it's a JOKE... by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      Well, yeah it's not the selling point of the iPod. It doesn't have these things. Add them, and it becomes a selling point.

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  75. Uncyclopedia articles are fake! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, so this "hack" which leaves you carrying a bare drive with a busted open nano strapped to it won't work. Why is it even featured on slashdot in the "Hardware" section. We need jokes.slashdot.org for this article. Are the moderators aware that Uncyclopedia's goal is to spread false information?

  76. Anyone need some IQ? by svunt · · Score: 1

    Unbelievable, the number of "omg, it's fake!" posts here...they're almost 1:1 for all of the "omg, teh server has been slashdotted!" comments that haven't been modded as redundant. Really, if you made it through the first sentence of TFA without realising that it was a joke, then how you managed to turn your machine on this morning is beyond me.

  77. Which is it? by Trogslayer · · Score: 1

    200GB on iPod Nano?? More like iPod Nano on 200GB.....

  78. Re:NYQUIST-Shannon Sampling Theorem by DrJimbo · · Score: 1
    I fully agree with you.

    My paragraph that you quoted was an oversimplification. The post I was responding to was claiming that a near infinite sampling frequency was needed to perfectly sample a finite bandwidth signal. That post also specified a "purely theoretical" context.

    I'm confident that you will agree with me that after all of the real-world engineering details are taken into account, a finite bandwidth signal can still be captured with a finite sampling rate although that rate needs to be higher than twice the highest frequency in the signal due to the engineering concerns.

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  79. Re:NYQUIST-Shannon Sampling Theorem by nathanh · · Score: 1
    I'm confident that you will agree with me that after all of the real-world engineering details are taken into account, a finite bandwidth signal can still be captured with a finite sampling rate although that rate needs to be higher than twice the highest frequency in the signal due to the engineering concerns.

    Sure. I wasn't disagreeing with you, just expanding on the point.

  80. 120GB Zen Loooooong ago. Been there, done that by TaGirl_Keri · · Score: 0

    Bah. I installed a 120gig Seagate 2.5" on my Creative Zen yonks ago. How it's done. (pops) Still use same Li-ion battery and get 12 hours out of it. But I guess Apple Fan-boys ALWAYS like to think themselves 1st. Just trying out my Fark Tags thingie

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  81. What the hell? It REALLY works! by ZoomieDood · · Score: 1

    Way too cool! A couple of phone calls later, and I'm in business!

    Call now for your pre-fabbed kit! Simply send* your Nano to:

    Ipod Upgrade
    200 G byte way
    Newport Beach, CA 93447
    916-767-3395

    Hurry! Operators (^ * / + - ) are standing by in order to take your order.

    * A core charge is assessed for any dead or non-returned Ipod nano's.

  82. Vandalism by AndyChrist · · Score: 1

    I realize they can revert it back, but you have got to admit this is still a goddamn nuisance, and that Slashdot is apparantly full of assholes.

    Given the quality of some of the readership here, maybe Slashdot shouldn't link to Wikis.

    Assholes. You know who you are.

  83. Thank You... by macserv · · Score: 1

    I owe the author much for introducing me to this site. The entire thing is a wellspring of humor. I shall never want again.

    And of course it's fake, you 'tards.

  84. Not as good as the next mod!! by therufus · · Score: 1

    1. Take an Ipod Nano
    2. Use 1 roll of black electrical tape
    3. Use tape to attatch a car to the Ipod
    4. ......
    5. Profit!

    It's a PORTABLE IPOD!

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  85. Re:Ah yes by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    blah....that was a perfectly good technical pun....no sense of humor :P