Why? To excuse hard drive makers for using this stupid format to grown their number artificially? Hopefully this doesn't affect the command line... only gnome, right?
Well, iPhone is doomed to stay as proprietary garbage, as is WinMo 7. Now what's left: Android, Meego, Palm,...
Those 3 could probably work together... Maybe Android is too full of itself and Samsung should join Meego and drop Bada too.
The question for all these is who control the app store, and i think meego allows all of them to control their own while still staying compatible. This also means open access to an open market of different store for consumers if the platform is to stay open and thus attract people.
Are we seeing the computer software industry transform into a "Label" that distributes apps? I can't understand this model in a world where everyone can setup their own distribution channel for 20$. It's only a winning move if you can sell hardware and the only way to compete against the über monopolistic Apple model is this.
So the cycle of proprietary / FOSS reaction goes on...
And to add to that, It's so nice to see apple make a keyboard dock and ditch the... mouse ? haha
Also, still no multi tasking and phone? I guess you can use voice app but since there is no front cam (what were they thinking?!), i'm also guessing you need an external mic?
It might not be so much the switch to Qt that will make the upgrade incompatible as the fact that current device don't have multitouch. The n900 is already running qt 4.5.3 and 4.6 apps without any problems and actually, it's smoother than GTK+ (no clue why, maybe because they're still simple?):)
As someone who upgraded from a very old Nokia phone (6020) to a N900 recently i can say that the phone is very easy to use and i get the added bonus of having a desktop like experience with it.
It does everything my older phone did and a whole lot more so I can't see how it's this bad... It might not be full of apps like an iPhone yet but at least i can sleep well knowing what's running on it.
The FBI Directors doesn't know to never click on a link from "his bank" in his email? So i guess I can call him as his bank and ask him for his password too without him actually calling back to the real number?
In the mean time Fido (a Rogers subsidiary, in Canada) is charging 2$ for this without anyone complaining!:P (well yes, we live in a monopolistic telecommunication regime, you'd probably get shot...! )
Are you saying the average cost of a phone call is 4.58$ per minute ? you need to change your phone company! Calling oversee is usually 5-10 cents max, and maybe 25 centsÂfor far out places. (unless you really want to call that weird looking pacific island of course...)
So can't we just accept that the US isn't perfect and add people who are close enough to their belief to the table?
(at least for a start...) Or is the US still claiming to be the benevolent dictator of the world and only responsible country on earth, which really sound like a big "fuck you" to the world and earned so little respect for the USA during the bush era...
They've got this great hardware, fine, but the whole setup is just a scam!
Next week in the news: Yeah! Some random 2.0 named company has found a way to run a copy of "sshd" ! They'll soon package it with their inovative mc frontend to the yet to be announced ftpd!
Come on, why can't it run apt-get like any decent platform?:P
After my last comment, i went to look a bit at wikipedia, and, what do we get:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system) ----------------8---------------- On July 25, 2006, the OpenDarwin team announced that the project was shutting down, as they felt OpenDarwin had "become a mere hosting facility for Mac OS X related projects," and that the efforts to create a standalone Darwin operating system had failed. They also state: "Availability of sources, interaction with Apple representatives, difficulty building and tracking sources, and a lack of interest from the community have all contributed to this."[15] The last stable release was version 7.2.1, released on July 16, 2004. ----------------8----------------
I wasn't implying that you can't dual license with BSD but that the BSD license in itself already permit closed source version from others and thus nullifies the advantage that the GPL has over this.
As for the GPL being better at making money, I'm myself a citizen and not a company but from my understanding the GPL will create more wealth for the product and the competition might be based more on who can adapt it faster and offer the best suppport and thus be more centered around what open source / free software is all about while the BSD allows this game to be played in the world of proprietary "advantage" which I don't believe is a good idea and from a consumer point of view I don't support / not interested to put money in.
As for Mac OS X, I'm no expert there either (Haven't had a mac in years...), but having a Darwin part that Apple uses to embrace and extend it in ways that make the Darwin OS some kind of beast of it's own without being able to run everything that the "full" Mac OS can run is i think a bad move. From my user point of view this is something that is annoying as it seems that i can't really choose which version i want to run if i want to be free to run the apps of my choice on that OS. Missing 3D/GUI libs among other things will be a problem and this really makes those things 2 different OS in the end for the users they are aiming for so they're just running that Darwin ecosystem in a dead end world and having free bug fixing but without any input from the community or real "cooperative-competition" possible. As if QT had their 2 branches where the GPL one was incompatible with the applications compiled with the proprietary one on common systems. That would be a bad move too.
But of course i recognize that companies have been helping the software growth of Linux/*BSD/etc a lot and I'm glad they did but in the end the values lies in the freedom of that software and licenses that don't support that freedom are detrimental to the economical value of that software as i think it'll slow down development in a commercial context. Companies who do provide code and resources do so because they understand the benefit that this will give them and getting involved in a part of the code is also giving you some authority on that code and thus helping you selling your support and opening your market to a wider audiences than with an extended closed version.
Then again, I'm sure BSD / Apache /... but my understanding overall is that unless you are all big juggernauts confident that you'll always have more fund than the other to support development, it's safer to go with the GPL and wiser from a community of user point of view.
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I thought that we had stopped 10 years ago to consider such scam contest as serious security proof?
Why?
To excuse hard drive makers for using this stupid format to grown their number artificially?
Hopefully this doesn't affect the command line... only gnome, right?
Would you like to see infra red light?
Would you like to hear super sonic sounds?
Fuck yeah!
Well, iPhone is doomed to stay as proprietary garbage, as is WinMo 7. ...
Now what's left: Android, Meego, Palm,
Those 3 could probably work together... Maybe Android is too full of itself and Samsung should join Meego and drop Bada too.
The question for all these is who control the app store, and i think meego allows all of them to control their own while still staying compatible.
This also means open access to an open market of different store for consumers if the platform is to stay open and thus attract people.
Are we seeing the computer software industry transform into a "Label" that distributes apps?
I can't understand this model in a world where everyone can setup their own distribution channel for 20$.
It's only a winning move if you can sell hardware and the only way to compete against the über monopolistic Apple model is this.
So the cycle of proprietary / FOSS reaction goes on ...
And to add to that, It's so nice to see apple make a keyboard dock and ditch the ... mouse ? haha
Also, still no multi tasking and phone?
I guess you can use voice app but since there is no front cam (what were they thinking?!), i'm also guessing you need an external mic?
_FAIL_
Where are the real specs? :P
Are they afraid?
It might not be so much the switch to Qt that will make the upgrade incompatible as the fact that current device don't have multitouch. :)
The n900 is already running qt 4.5.3 and 4.6 apps without any problems and actually, it's smoother than GTK+ (no clue why, maybe because they're still simple?)
Well well, needs these days...
As someone who upgraded from a very old Nokia phone (6020) to a N900 recently i can say that the phone is very easy to use and i get the added bonus of having a desktop like experience with it.
It does everything my older phone did and a whole lot more so I can't see how it's this bad...
It might not be full of apps like an iPhone yet but at least i can sleep well knowing what's running on it.
It's not Apple Friendly, it's world unfriendly.
Why is it that every innovation has to mention clothing as a potential market to sound real?
Where is my aluminum suit again?
And will this actually get something useful to market like a 50W 0.1m solar panel?
Can't wait to get mine, the only issue i have with the N900 is that it doesn't have a digital compass...
The FBI Directors doesn't know to never click on a link from "his bank" in his email?
So i guess I can call him as his bank and ask him for his password too without him actually calling back to the real number?
No wonder security is broken ...
Actually, that and everything being FOSS
Drivers, hello?! What the hell are they thinking..
I don't get the proprietary drivers for chip OEMs, wtf!
If it supports both, I'm in!
In the mean time Fido (a Rogers subsidiary, in Canada) is charging 2$ for this without anyone complaining! :P
(well yes, we live in a monopolistic telecommunication regime, you'd probably get shot...! )
And the new media player (tracker?) is now FOSS from what I've read! :P
Where is that order button again?
hehe, being in Montreal i fully understand your hate for Bell...(Don't get me started!)
I ditched them for a dry loop with acanac as a provider (could have been with teksavvy too) and use unlimitel for the phone (VoIP)! :)
Are you saying the average cost of a phone call is 4.58$ per minute ?
you need to change your phone company! Calling oversee is usually 5-10 cents max, and maybe 25 centsÂfor far out places.
(unless you really want to call that weird looking pacific island of course...)
So can't we just accept that the US isn't perfect and add people who are close enough to their belief to the table?
(at least for a start...)
Or is the US still claiming to be the benevolent dictator of the world and only responsible country on earth, which really sound like a big "fuck you" to the world and earned so little respect for the USA during the bush era...
They've got this great hardware, fine, but the whole setup is just a scam!
Next week in the news: Yeah! Some random 2.0 named company has found a way to run a copy of "sshd" ! They'll soon package it with their inovative mc frontend to the yet to be announced ftpd!
Come on, why can't it run apt-get like any decent platform? :P
Yeah sue me!
So the more you daydream the more you need to be highly concentrated for something and are thus compensating for your inability to do it "live" ? :P
nothing new here, move along ;-)
So are they going to either sell it or make it FOSS?
After my last comment, i went to look a bit at wikipedia, and, what do we get:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)
----------------8----------------
On July 25, 2006, the OpenDarwin team announced that the project was shutting down, as they felt OpenDarwin had "become a mere hosting facility for Mac OS X related projects," and that the efforts to create a standalone Darwin operating system had failed. They also state: "Availability of sources, interaction with Apple representatives, difficulty building and tracking sources, and a lack of interest from the community have all contributed to this."[15] The last stable release was version 7.2.1, released on July 16, 2004.
----------------8----------------
So I guess I'm not the only one feeling that way.
Oops, last line should start with: ...
"Then again, I'm sure BSD / Apache / etc have their place somewhere"...
I wasn't implying that you can't dual license with BSD but that the BSD license in itself already permit closed source version from others and thus nullifies the advantage that the GPL has over this.
As for the GPL being better at making money, I'm myself a citizen and not a company but from my understanding the GPL will create more wealth for the product and the competition might be based more on who can adapt it faster and offer the best suppport and thus be more centered around what open source / free software is all about while the BSD allows this game to be played in the world of proprietary "advantage" which I don't believe is a good idea and from a consumer point of view I don't support / not interested to put money in.
As for Mac OS X, I'm no expert there either (Haven't had a mac in years...), but having a Darwin part that Apple uses to embrace and extend it in ways that make the Darwin OS some kind of beast of it's own without being able to run everything that the "full" Mac OS can run is i think a bad move. From my user point of view this is something that is annoying as it seems that i can't really choose which version i want to run if i want to be free to run the apps of my choice on that OS. Missing 3D/GUI libs among other things will be a problem and this really makes those things 2 different OS in the end for the users they are aiming for so they're just running that Darwin ecosystem in a dead end world and having free bug fixing but without any input from the community or real "cooperative-competition" possible. As if QT had their 2 branches where the GPL one was incompatible with the applications compiled with the proprietary one on common systems. That would be a bad move too.
But of course i recognize that companies have been helping the software growth of Linux/*BSD/etc a lot and I'm glad they did but in the end the values lies in the freedom of that software and licenses that don't support that freedom are detrimental to the economical value of that software as i think it'll slow down development in a commercial context. Companies who do provide code and resources do so because they understand the benefit that this will give them and getting involved in a part of the code is also giving you some authority on that code and thus helping you selling your support and opening your market to a wider audiences than with an extended closed version.
Then again, I'm sure BSD / Apache / ... but my understanding overall is that unless you are all big juggernauts confident that you'll always have more fund than the other to support development, it's safer to go with the GPL and wiser from a community of user point of view.