...but this kind of thing gives me the willies. I don't want the gummint tracking me wherever I drive all the time, no matter how 'innocent' they claim it is.
Of course, I have a navigation system in my TL, so maybe I'm just plain stupid...
Yes, let's stucture our entire education system around computing so people will use Excel properly!
Many (most?) people don't want to know more than how to browse and 'do email' so trying to force-feed it to those people when they are kids isn't going to help. Besides, it keeps 'us' in a job.
Decent point, but if you'll read through the other posts here, you'll see that many, many others have seen it too. Taco being the consumer of media that he seems to be, I was quite surprised he's never heard of this, and I couldn't resist taking a swipe at him.
...or in more to watch TV. I've seen this type of thing on various television shows for years. And Taco thinks it's "Neet!" cuz he just found out about it.
No wonder I've been spending most of my "drool over the 'net" time on FARK lately...
...right below the article for Linux being sold by Sun. "Microsoft Windows 2003 Server: Do more with less". That's rich (is it ironic? I can never tell...)
I think Sun is just hedging their bets here. Plus, they can offer 'immunity' since they have the license from SCO. I know, I know, it's all crap (the SCO issue), but they can trumpet the fact that they have a proper license to all the code no matter what. None of us gives a shiat, but some PHB's might find it puts them at ease.
The difference in the auction is that YOU choose the price you pay, whereas on the Preferred list, the SELLER chooses the price YOU pay.
WRONG!! The SELLER only chooses what price at which they OFFER it to you. YOU choose whether to pay that or not.
I get so sick of this "consumer as victim" argument. I work for a large Harley-Davidson dealer. We sell most Harleys at well above HD's MSRP. A few people say we're 'criminals' for this. I simply reply that no one ever pays more than they are willing to. That's what a market economy is all about.
An offer is fair as long as everybody gets the same price.
Do you really want the government to start forcing companies to charge the same price to everyone all the time on all products? Can't we just let the market decide? This kind of thing has always bugged me. Someone goes and buys a product for a certain price. They love the product, and obviously thought the price was fair since they forked over the cash. They find out their friend paid $5 less and now they're pissed! That's BS.
In this sense, the car salesman is unfair.
I'm certainly not one to go out of my way to defend used car salesmen(people:), but again, no one ever pays more than they are willing to. No one holds a gun to their head or threatens their children.
Sorry to burst your little bubble, but the story I told is a true one. My friend's wife told me right to my face not to sign up for an organ donor card.
The incentive is to save another life. "This guy's dead anyway, let's use his heart." 99% of the time they're right, the patient will die. It's that last percent that I'm worried about.
Besides, no chance that your mom would hide the ugly truth from her little boy, right?
I have a friend who's wife is a nurse in an emergency room. She talked me out of being an organ donor on my driver's license for this very reason.
It's not a case of doctors being 'evil', simply that if there's incentive for you to be dead, they might be pushed to make that decision about you while you still have a chance of 'coming back'.
She said you can put that kind of thing in your will. I haven't done that, but I guess I'm more worried about keeping me alive than someone else.
If you will go back and read my post, you'll notice that nowhere did I use the word "freedom", I said "open". While an argument can certainly be made that they are related, they are definitely not synonymous.
And it's interesting that you seem to feel that I "hate" one particular company or another. How did you come by this assumption?
Finally, if someone takes some open BSD code and takes it closed/proprietary, that code is no longer open. Yes, the original code is still open, but now we have multiple versions, not all of which have their source code available. GPL'd code will always be open, no matter what changes are made to it. This makes it more 'open', IMO.
It's a draft, sir. Please feel free to comment directly to Bruce, since that is what he requested.
GPLed code however cannot be put into BSD code w/o the BSD code loosing its far more open nature.
Depends on your definition of open, I guess. I prefer open code to remain open. If it can be taken closed and proprietary, then that makes it less open, IMO.
...there is some debate as to whether what they are doing is illegal.
Exactly, we feel it's illegal but we're not sure if it is, and if it isn't we feel it should be. IMO, this is why the FTC should investigate.
Reference my post below, but I basically said that SCO's FUD is negatively impacting Linux-related businesses, and AFAIC their campaign to extract license fees for Linux when they have shown absolutely NO proof whatsoever, is tantamount to extortion. YMMV...
Will all the current FUD have a bit of a slow-down effect on businesses using Linux? Probably.
Does the SCO situation, and the resultant FUD from Gartner and others piss me (and most/all other Linux users) off? Definitely.
But here's the thing to remember: Linux isn't OS2, or DR-DOS or even Netscape/Mozilla. Since Linux is GPL, this kind of FUD can't kill it. Slow it down a bit, maybe, but even that is arguable.
So while we should do everything we can to combat the SCO FUD (like file a complaint with the FTC), don't worry too strenuously. Linux is one product that will survive and thrive based on its merits, not good or bad publicity.
And yes, I know that Caldera/SCO got approximately $155MM from Microsoft for DR-DOS, but where is DR-DOS as a competitor to MS/Windows? That's right, nowhere, because MS killed it, even though it was considered by some to be a far superior product.
I didn't save my comments, so I can't post them verbatim. The gist of it was that what SCO is doing is damaging to any Linux related business and that what they are doing is tantamout to extortion since they are saying that Linux users have to pay them when they have provided no hard evidence as to why we should do so.
I'm not certain this is the absolute best angle to work, but what else can we do? I just want to make some noise about it hoping that someone who can actually do something about it will see what's happening.
There's certainly a possibility that it won't help, but I really don't see how it can hurt.
What is there to do in the XP install that is way harder in comparison to Mandrake?
Install XP, multiple reboots. Install video drivers, reboot. Install Office, reboot. Install Nero Express (to burn CD's), reboot. Run Windows Update, it wants to update IE first, then reboot. Then more security fixes, reboot. Then the last few things to update, reboot.
I also seem to remember that, during the XP install, something was funky that caused me to try the install 3 times before it worked, but I don't remember for sure what it was.
Mandrake requires one reboot and everything is installed in like 20-30 minutes versus several hours for XP with all the reboots. No reboots required after running Mandrake's update utility.
Many people's 'mums' use Linux, mine included. I just upgraded her box, uh, computer to Mandrake 9.1 and she loves all the newer stuff. She uses Mozilla to surf and get her Hotmail and she uses KWrite to type letters, since she doesn't need or want any fancy formatting. It basically looks just like it came from her old typewriter, which is just what she wants.
The install was a piece of cake, way easier than when I installed XP on my new home brew machine.
Have you ever been to the NorthWest (Seattle or Portland, for instance)? There are literally hundreds of excellent beers, mostly ales. Most any tavern you walk into in Seattle (where I live, I'm sure it's true in other towns) will have like 20 different ones to try: pale ales, hefeweizens, IPA's, porters.
If you're a MicroBrew fan, the NorthWest RULES! Come check it out, man....
Mark's disappointed at the way Netscape turned out (bought by AOL, the anti-nerd internet company, and market share in the single digits, thanks to Microsoft).
Hey, Mark, driving a car hasn't changed significantly in about 100 years, guess why? BECAUSE IT WORKS!! I like the forward and back buttons just fine, thanks very much.
Another one: Bookmarks. How could they change? They're just places you go all time. A browser should always have these, just like a radio should always have presets. Are radios bad because they 'still have presets'?
Finally, Mark is sad because he hasn't really done anything impactful (is that a word?) since the browser. Yes, Mark, you're a one-hit wonder, but it was one hell of a hit! Don't be down on yourself, d00d.
You have all these (admittedly talented) programmers spending all this time on worthless projects when they should be spending time on something worthwhile, like a consistent user interface, easy OS install, or a decent media player.
Until the Linux Community learns this very important lesson, Linux will continue to be relegated to second class citizen status to superior OS's like Windows XP or MacOS X.
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...but this kind of thing gives me the willies. I don't want the gummint tracking me wherever I drive all the time, no matter how 'innocent' they claim it is.
Of course, I have a navigation system in my TL, so maybe I'm just plain stupid...
Yes, let's stucture our entire education system around computing so people will use Excel properly!
Many (most?) people don't want to know more than how to browse and 'do email' so trying to force-feed it to those people when they are kids isn't going to help. Besides, it keeps 'us' in a job.
Decent point, but if you'll read through the other posts here, you'll see that many, many others have seen it too. Taco being the consumer of media that he seems to be, I was quite surprised he's never heard of this, and I couldn't resist taking a swipe at him.
...or in more to watch TV. I've seen this type of thing on various television shows for years. And Taco thinks it's "Neet!" cuz he just found out about it.
No wonder I've been spending most of my "drool over the 'net" time on FARK lately...
Let 'im know how you feel:
:)
Blake Stowell of The SCO Group, +1-801-932-5703,
bstowell@sco.com
Be nice, now!
...right below the article for Linux being sold by Sun. "Microsoft Windows 2003 Server: Do more with less". That's rich (is it ironic? I can never tell...)
I think Sun is just hedging their bets here. Plus, they can offer 'immunity' since they have the license from SCO. I know, I know, it's all crap (the SCO issue), but they can trumpet the fact that they have a proper license to all the code no matter what. None of us gives a shiat, but some PHB's might find it puts them at ease.
The difference in the auction is that YOU choose the price you pay, whereas on the Preferred list, the SELLER chooses the price YOU pay.
:), but again, no one ever pays more than they are willing to. No one holds a gun to their head or threatens their children.
WRONG!! The SELLER only chooses what price at which they OFFER it to you. YOU choose whether to pay that or not.
I get so sick of this "consumer as victim" argument. I work for a large Harley-Davidson dealer. We sell most Harleys at well above HD's MSRP. A few people say we're 'criminals' for this. I simply reply that no one ever pays more than they are willing to. That's what a market economy is all about.
An offer is fair as long as everybody gets the same price.
Do you really want the government to start forcing companies to charge the same price to everyone all the time on all products? Can't we just let the market decide? This kind of thing has always bugged me. Someone goes and buys a product for a certain price. They love the product, and obviously thought the price was fair since they forked over the cash. They find out their friend paid $5 less and now they're pissed! That's BS.
In this sense, the car salesman is unfair.
I'm certainly not one to go out of my way to defend used car salesmen(people
Sorry to burst your little bubble, but the story I told is a true one. My friend's wife told me right to my face not to sign up for an organ donor card.
The incentive is to save another life. "This guy's dead anyway, let's use his heart." 99% of the time they're right, the patient will die. It's that last percent that I'm worried about.
Besides, no chance that your mom would hide the ugly truth from her little boy, right?
Frosty!!
I have a friend who's wife is a nurse in an emergency room. She talked me out of being an organ donor on my driver's license for this very reason.
It's not a case of doctors being 'evil', simply that if there's incentive for you to be dead, they might be pushed to make that decision about you while you still have a chance of 'coming back'.
She said you can put that kind of thing in your will. I haven't done that, but I guess I'm more worried about keeping me alive than someone else.
What a loser, can't even spell 'loser'.
:)
(that was a joke, d00d, laugh!
If you will go back and read my post, you'll notice that nowhere did I use the word "freedom", I said "open". While an argument can certainly be made that they are related, they are definitely not synonymous.
And it's interesting that you seem to feel that I "hate" one particular company or another. How did you come by this assumption?
Finally, if someone takes some open BSD code and takes it closed/proprietary, that code is no longer open. Yes, the original code is still open, but now we have multiple versions, not all of which have their source code available. GPL'd code will always be open, no matter what changes are made to it. This makes it more 'open', IMO.
Notice how Bruce neglects to point that out.
It's a draft, sir. Please feel free to comment directly to Bruce, since that is what he requested.
GPLed code however cannot be put into BSD code w/o the BSD code loosing its far more open nature.
Depends on your definition of open, I guess. I prefer open code to remain open. If it can be taken closed and proprietary, then that makes it less open, IMO.
...there is some debate as to whether what they are doing is illegal.
Exactly, we feel it's illegal but we're not sure if it is, and if it isn't we feel it should be. IMO, this is why the FTC should investigate.
Reference my post below, but I basically said that SCO's FUD is negatively impacting Linux-related businesses, and AFAIC their campaign to extract license fees for Linux when they have shown absolutely NO proof whatsoever, is tantamount to extortion. YMMV...
Will all the current FUD have a bit of a slow-down effect on businesses using Linux? Probably.
Does the SCO situation, and the resultant FUD from Gartner and others piss me (and most/all other Linux users) off? Definitely.
But here's the thing to remember: Linux isn't OS2, or DR-DOS or even Netscape/Mozilla. Since Linux is GPL, this kind of FUD can't kill it. Slow it down a bit, maybe, but even that is arguable.
So while we should do everything we can to combat the SCO FUD (like file a complaint with the FTC), don't worry too strenuously. Linux is one product that will survive and thrive based on its merits, not good or bad publicity.
And yes, I know that Caldera/SCO got approximately $155MM from Microsoft for DR-DOS, but where is DR-DOS as a competitor to MS/Windows? That's right, nowhere, because MS killed it, even though it was considered by some to be a far superior product.
I didn't save my comments, so I can't post them verbatim. The gist of it was that what SCO is doing is damaging to any Linux related business and that what they are doing is tantamout to extortion since they are saying that Linux users have to pay them when they have provided no hard evidence as to why we should do so.
I'm not certain this is the absolute best angle to work, but what else can we do? I just want to make some noise about it hoping that someone who can actually do something about it will see what's happening.
There's certainly a possibility that it won't help, but I really don't see how it can hurt.
You can find the online complaint form here.
To fill out the form, here is SCO's information:
The SCO Group
355 South 520 West
Suite 100
Lindon, Utah 84042 USA
801-765-4999 phone
801-765-1313 fax
Anyone who uses Linux is threatened by SCO and should file a complaint. I just filed mine, you should file yours too!
You can find the online complaint form here.
To fill out the form, here is SCO's information:
The SCO Group
355 South 520 West
Suite 100
Lindon, Utah 84042 USA
801-765-4999 phone
801-765-1313 fax
Anyone who uses Linux is threatened by SCO and should file a complaint. I just filed mine, you should file yours too!
Yes, that's right, Christian Broadcasting Network. If you want to leave a message for Pat Roberston, this is the number to call.
I'm sure there are some Negroes there, but if any of them (or anyone else there) is G**, I'm sure they wouldn't admit it, even to themselves.
I say what the hell, dial 'em up! Don't 800 number usually charge per minute?
What is there to do in the XP install that is way harder in comparison to Mandrake?
Install XP, multiple reboots. Install video drivers, reboot. Install Office, reboot. Install Nero Express (to burn CD's), reboot. Run Windows Update, it wants to update IE first, then reboot. Then more security fixes, reboot. Then the last few things to update, reboot.
I also seem to remember that, during the XP install, something was funky that caused me to try the install 3 times before it worked, but I don't remember for sure what it was.
Mandrake requires one reboot and everything is installed in like 20-30 minutes versus several hours for XP with all the reboots. No reboots required after running Mandrake's update utility.
Many people's 'mums' use Linux, mine included. I just upgraded her box, uh, computer to Mandrake 9.1 and she loves all the newer stuff. She uses Mozilla to surf and get her Hotmail and she uses KWrite to type letters, since she doesn't need or want any fancy formatting. It basically looks just like it came from her old typewriter, which is just what she wants.
The install was a piece of cake, way easier than when I installed XP on my new home brew machine.
That is all...
Seriously, are you programmer? Why not try to implement these things yourself? You could be the 'next Marc' or whatever.
Even if you're not a programmer, start a project! If you don't, someone else will, and they'll be the millionaire.
(Yes, I know it's mostly a joke)
Have you ever been to the NorthWest (Seattle or Portland, for instance)? There are literally hundreds of excellent beers, mostly ales. Most any tavern you walk into in Seattle (where I live, I'm sure it's true in other towns) will have like 20 different ones to try: pale ales, hefeweizens, IPA's, porters.
If you're a MicroBrew fan, the NorthWest RULES! Come check it out, man....
Mark's disappointed at the way Netscape turned out (bought by AOL, the anti-nerd internet company, and market share in the single digits, thanks to Microsoft).
Hey, Mark, driving a car hasn't changed significantly in about 100 years, guess why? BECAUSE IT WORKS!! I like the forward and back buttons just fine, thanks very much.
Another one: Bookmarks. How could they change? They're just places you go all time. A browser should always have these, just like a radio should always have presets. Are radios bad because they 'still have presets'?
Finally, Mark is sad because he hasn't really done anything impactful (is that a word?) since the browser. Yes, Mark, you're a one-hit wonder, but it was one hell of a hit! Don't be down on yourself, d00d.
time on worthless projects when they should be spending time on
something worthwhile, like a consistent user interface, easy OS
install, or a decent media player.
Until the Linux Community learns this very important lesson, Linux will
continue to be relegated to second class citizen status to superior OS's
like Windows XP or MacOS X.