Nuke this dingleberry back into the stone age, please. Crap like this pisses off The Steve and causes things like product delays and webcasts being moved from "live" to "prerecorded".
Shit like this also causes absolutely no end of asshatery in the Mac community, as everyone with a pulse and a Dock thinks they know what Apple should be doing (and if Apple doesn't, why... they're going to HELL!).
The guy's going to Harvard. He (or rather, his parents) can afford to get him a lawyer. I have absolutely no sympathy for him- if they nail his ass to the wall, maybe it'll take some of the vitriol out of the Mac rumormongering.:-|
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Fuck that noise.
I'm sick of Microsoft's lack of dedication to UNIX. Dropping Xenix, killing the IE port... bastards are worse than Adobe's support for IRIX.
The only reason there's still a market for Office on the mac is the hundreds of millions of FUCKING LEMMINGS who are all OH NOEZ I NEED TEH WERD and can't even squeeze their sphincter without making a power point presentation out of it.
You want microsoft products, get a goddamned PC. It's cheaper.
And much like OpenOffice, users have one hell of a hard time dealing with MY ASS and THE SYSTEM CLIPBOARD.
Running oo.o in X and calling it an OS X port is like calling a girl wearing a neon green strapon a hermaphrodite. The fake cock isn't even FLESHTONE.
There IS NO OS X VERSION OF OPEN OFFICE. Running in X11 does not count- unless you really feel like spending a few hours teaching your MOM all about how X11 works and interacts with OS X and how it's fundamentally fucktarded for anyone who thinks the apple key is the meta key, and who thinks apple-{c|x|v} is copy/cut/paste.
Which is every Mac user who didn't grow up on a freenix, and every Mac user who doesn't use or need freenix apps.
You think an X11 app is Good Enough? Mister, you are sorely mistaken.
Maybe in a few years, if they ever bother to get a cocoa version going, get it stripped free of the X toolkits it uses, get it sped up, get the interface de-shitted, etc, etc.
Spent an hour copying Office 98 from home to my work workstation through VPN because -hey! get this!- Office98 does proper html conversion (eg, inserst formatting tags, the end), whereas Office X and higher do this incredibly huge, bloated, fucked up and nasty inline CSS/XML THING.
Copy and paste versus hours and hours of stripping bullshit out of a document with find/replace.... and they call this shit progress! PROGRESS!
Bah.
Office 98 and Photoshop 5.5 - two apps I'm stuck with because newer versions break or drop the features I actually need/use.
The oldskool mac crowd has already suffered the wave of OS X SUCKS ONE BUTTON MOUSE WHERE'S THE SLOPPY FOCUS AUGH freenix users who wanted Teh Prettay and the command line.
After a couple of years of supposedly clueful users bitching, pissing and moaning about OS X, a whole throng of complete retards might be just the thing.
If anything, a huge surge in Mac ownership might increase the chances of getting some Big Name Games ported within the same year of the PC release.:P
(disclaimer : my software is actually legal, but thanks to the shit being VASTLY more expensive than, say, a cocaine or heroin habit, I'm several versions behind on very nearly everything.)
I use OS X more for reasons of backwards compatability and hardware lock-in than anything else. That, and Windows makes my ass bleed. I fell out of love with Apple when I saw where they were going with OS X and when they started catering to the Yuppy/GAP crowd... but l my high school sweetheart getting implants and a cel phone isn't going to drive me into the arms of bubba, the 400lb prison stud who bathes annually (aka, Windows), or the dork with the emo glasses and the overbite who thinks being a dork is cool because the only media he takes in says it is (aka, Linux).
MS are a bunch of shits about product support on the Mac (this includes Office- which, while featureful, is fucking slow- even on current hardware with enough ram to kill a moose.)- specifically, windows media. No reason to speak of for Apple to play nice with Quicktime on the PC. Or iTunes for that matter- and do note that both apps use "brushed metal", and both apps used it before OS X had shipped a single copy.:-|
Shit, the Quicktime Player for the Mac is pretty shitty in some respects- it's more useful as an interface to the API than it is as a media player.:P
I can't speak for Windows, but Adobe has (in their minds) every reason to be a complete pissass to Apple, at least passive aggressively- notice they dropped Premiere.... which elicited a buttload of OH NOEZ VIDEO EDITING ON TEH MAC IS DOOMED! from the windows crowd, and a buttload of relieved THANK GOD PREMIERE SUCKED ASS from anyone who's ever had to deal with it, especially since the advent of Final Cut Pro (which is cost competetive and wipes the floor with Premiere).
One could say Apple isn't doing a stellar job of keeping Big Software happy on the platform. One could also say that Apple is buying up software and putting out their own apps (iLife, the pro suite) because, realistically speaking, any Big Software equivalent sucks shit through a straw.
Probably because Adobe needs to move units to make money- so it's useful to them to withhold Really Useful Features until much later in the game- notice how long it took them to add 16-bit editing to Photoshop. Eventually they'll have no choice but to make their apps _useable_, as they will have exhausted all other viable means for extorting profit.
Adobe interface sucks ass- compare to Macromedia apps in any arena where the two compete (Imageready is CREAMED by Fireworks, GoLive is _ass_ compared to Dreamweaver, etc).... and dear gods, I thought.txt was supposed to be the document interchange standard..pdf is boiled dog ass... especailly acrobat.:|
Makes me wish OSS would hurry up and prestidigitate a Photoshop clone. (by which I mean clone, as in, can't tell the difference outside of the splash screen. Same shortcuts, same tool handling, etc. More would be nice but I'm ranting enough as it is.)
So. Big Software Sucks. Fuck, it's 2004 and software developers have yet to produce a web browser that does everything totally frigging awesome. They're not even close. And a web browser is, in many respects, a hell of a lot simpler than a video editing system or an image manipulation system.
..as a Mac admin since '97, it's blackly amusing that now that Apple's shipping unix, all my old linux friends are now flaunting powerbooks.:P
OS X takes the bullshit out of getting Work Done, and that's nice- but in the process, the platform has transitioned from the domain of artists and eccentrics to the khaki-clad GAP-shopping technoratti richass motherfuckers, who have no use for any of the reasons the platform has continued to exist over the past 20 years.
My OS-that-runs-Art doesn't exist anymore. Apple's replaced it with an OS that does everything but Halflife... and to get that, they had to round off some of the edges.:|
It's actually WORSE in the linux community than it is in, say, the IRIX, Solaris or HP/UX camps. Then there's the OS X and Classic MacOS camps, which take the "being an elitist prick" mentality to a whole new level.
Oh, and there's LISP users and HURD developers. Dear fucking gods, they set the standard.
In reality, Apache is a bunch of variables and paths, SSH is a bunch of switches (YES|NO), and the config files for irssi and blackbox look like uncompiled C. Complete with the goddamned {curlybrackets}.
It doesn't make much sense for Apache to adhere to the same configuration method as SSH, and it makes no sense for either to be configured like a windowmanager.
Regardless of the formatting of the text config files, some degree of standardization could be slammed on with a decent system "control panel" a la Windows and OS X... but there isn't a single one out there for any *nix desktop that's intelligent and all-inclusive.
I agree with the issues you state re: "installers", and in my experience, there simply is no easy way to remove a piece of software that messily sprays itself all over the file system. Try doing a manual uninstall of earlier versions of netatalk- it's like cleaning up after a two year old has had radio shack to himself for an afternoon!
The problem, ultimately, is that regardless of the system, the system will attract developers that are complete assholes. My favorite example is Adobe- they're complete fucking shits on OS X- so messy and disgusting you'd swear they were being intentionally malicious- an "installer" that shits files all over the filesystem and calls home during the install process- nevermind their complete failure to adhere to OS X human user interface conventions.:P
I much prefer the edit-on-the-fly that pretty much everything else has- I can, for example, peg my "gesture" key for Quake III anywhere I want, and if it's not working, I can change it in the middle of a map- no fuss, no muss.
And yes, I'm shopping in the wrong software outlets. They're the only kind that exist in Pittsburgh.:P
Man feels like function documentation by the programmer for the programmer- or for really advanced users who already Know the system as it existed during the devlopment of the application.
Man is not a Guide.
As a n00b, I'd love to be able to type, say.... guide vim and get a guide to using vim for the new user. Not the results of man vim, which is the vim man pages the way the vim programmer(s) decided they should be organized.
I have two highly unpleasant Oni memories- the first being the fact that the controls Can Not Be Remapped. That killed it for me... and the fact that it's STILL selling for 39.95 OR 49.95 (depending on which mac store you hit in the Pittsburgh area) is a joke.:|
You went and spoiled the propable apocalypse for yourself.:| And with the cash that's going into the kids, you could've bought guns and had yourself a grand old time, too!
Leastwise, they're quite a bit more succeptible to engineering quality than other media- do note that post-floppy, all of the moving parts have been moved into the reader and we're basically jamming disk platters into drives these days. So in addition to "platter" quality, floppies, zips, syquest, etc. had several additional points of failure in the physical disk hardware.
Hard disk capacities have been outstripping backup media by orders of magnitude for years. 40g drives were already common when DVD-R hit, and now that it's developed, 120-160g drives are common and 40s are on their way out- and good luck finding 9g DVD-R media. Have fun backing up 300g of data to 4.5g DVD-Rs.
2g and 4g drives were commonplace by the time CD burners became consumer-viable- you still needed multiple disks to backup a full drive.
ROTK was the only one of the three I saw on the big screen, and let me tell you- after nearly three hours, I had to piss like a frigging racehorse. The multiple endings with the super-long fades in between them were torture. Agonizing. Annoying as FUCK. I'm a picky bastard, but some of the audience was groaning by the third fade... and absolutely nobody stuck around for the credits.
The multitude of endings would have worked great on DVD, but it was pure torture in the theater, at least for me and several of my friends.:|
Yay for a flamebate mod. Proves the moderator is either still a wet-behind-the-ears platform convert (I know a few), or can't articulate a convincing counterargument.
The mac is not gifted in the games department, people. This isn't rocket science.:P
I was using the Ray as a price comparison, not an Ultimate Convenience comparison. A properly managed Mac network can be tightly secured- not quite as secure as Solaris, but close.
The local Library used to have a Ray network- your options were Netscape Navigator, or..... Netscape Navigator.
It's the mac, people. This platform has shit for games. With a Doom3 port stuck in limbo, WoW is the only Major Title to have a mac release this year.
I suppose you can count the latest Unreal installment, but I'm talking Quality Games, not buzzword compliant buttsucking- UT doesn't come up in the same conversation as, say, GTA, Doom3, HL2, etc.
Sun was charging 1200$ a pop for Rays back in the day, if not more... and they didn't even have hard drives.
Oh, and they required a hugeass expensiveass server to boot and run. And a shitload of network infrastructure. So the total cost per unit was quite a bit higher.
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Nuke this dingleberry back into the stone age, please. Crap like this pisses off The Steve and causes things like product delays and webcasts being moved from "live" to "prerecorded".
:-|
Shit like this also causes absolutely no end of asshatery in the Mac community, as everyone with a pulse and a Dock thinks they know what Apple should be doing (and if Apple doesn't, why... they're going to HELL!).
The guy's going to Harvard. He (or rather, his parents) can afford to get him a lawyer. I have absolutely no sympathy for him- if they nail his ass to the wall, maybe it'll take some of the vitriol out of the Mac rumormongering.
Fuck that noise.
I'm sick of Microsoft's lack of dedication to UNIX. Dropping Xenix, killing the IE port... bastards are worse than Adobe's support for IRIX.
The only reason there's still a market for Office on the mac is the hundreds of millions of FUCKING LEMMINGS who are all OH NOEZ I NEED TEH WERD and can't even squeeze their sphincter without making a power point presentation out of it.
You want microsoft products, get a goddamned PC. It's cheaper.
If you haven't noticed, we've just now gotten the word processor, after Keynote's been around for awhile. Give it some time. :P
o_O.
:O
It's a giant space WALNUT.
And much like OpenOffice, users have one hell of a hard time dealing with MY ASS and THE SYSTEM CLIPBOARD.
Running oo.o in X and calling it an OS X port is like calling a girl wearing a neon green strapon a hermaphrodite. The fake cock isn't even FLESHTONE.
There IS NO OS X VERSION OF OPEN OFFICE. Running in X11 does not count- unless you really feel like spending a few hours teaching your MOM all about how X11 works and interacts with OS X and how it's fundamentally fucktarded for anyone who thinks the apple key is the meta key, and who thinks apple-{c|x|v} is copy/cut/paste.
Which is every Mac user who didn't grow up on a freenix, and every Mac user who doesn't use or need freenix apps.
You think an X11 app is Good Enough? Mister, you are sorely mistaken.
Maybe in a few years, if they ever bother to get a cocoa version going, get it stripped free of the X toolkits it uses, get it sped up, get the interface de-shitted, etc, etc.
Spent an hour copying Office 98 from home to my work workstation through VPN because -hey! get this!- Office98 does proper html conversion (eg, inserst formatting tags, the end), whereas Office X and higher do this incredibly huge, bloated, fucked up and nasty inline CSS/XML THING.
Copy and paste versus hours and hours of stripping bullshit out of a document with find/replace.... and they call this shit progress! PROGRESS!
Bah.
Office 98 and Photoshop 5.5 - two apps I'm stuck with because newer versions break or drop the features I actually need/use.
WHEE.
The oldskool mac crowd has already suffered the wave of OS X SUCKS ONE BUTTON MOUSE WHERE'S THE SLOPPY FOCUS AUGH freenix users who wanted Teh Prettay and the command line.
:P
After a couple of years of supposedly clueful users bitching, pissing and moaning about OS X, a whole throng of complete retards might be just the thing.
If anything, a huge surge in Mac ownership might increase the chances of getting some Big Name Games ported within the same year of the PC release.
As well as fucking moon bases and mars colonies.
Wake me up when I can get jacks implanted at Radio Shack, or buy a digital "camera" that comes in pill form.
Remember, the widget isn't here until all the ghetto-fabulous wastoids you run into in downtown have one.
Last I checked, Carracho was free. :P
(disclaimer : my software is actually legal, but thanks to the shit being VASTLY more expensive than, say, a cocaine or heroin habit, I'm several versions behind on very nearly everything.)
I use OS X more for reasons of backwards compatability and hardware lock-in than anything else. That, and Windows makes my ass bleed. I fell out of love with Apple when I saw where they were going with OS X and when they started catering to the Yuppy/GAP crowd... but l my high school sweetheart getting implants and a cel phone isn't going to drive me into the arms of bubba, the 400lb prison stud who bathes annually (aka, Windows), or the dork with the emo glasses and the overbite who thinks being a dork is cool because the only media he takes in says it is (aka, Linux).
:-|
:P
.txt was supposed to be the document interchange standard. .pdf is boiled dog ass... especailly acrobat. :|
MS are a bunch of shits about product support on the Mac (this includes Office- which, while featureful, is fucking slow- even on current hardware with enough ram to kill a moose.)- specifically, windows media. No reason to speak of for Apple to play nice with Quicktime on the PC. Or iTunes for that matter- and do note that both apps use "brushed metal", and both apps used it before OS X had shipped a single copy.
Shit, the Quicktime Player for the Mac is pretty shitty in some respects- it's more useful as an interface to the API than it is as a media player.
I can't speak for Windows, but Adobe has (in their minds) every reason to be a complete pissass to Apple, at least passive aggressively- notice they dropped Premiere.... which elicited a buttload of OH NOEZ VIDEO EDITING ON TEH MAC IS DOOMED! from the windows crowd, and a buttload of relieved THANK GOD PREMIERE SUCKED ASS from anyone who's ever had to deal with it, especially since the advent of Final Cut Pro (which is cost competetive and wipes the floor with Premiere).
One could say Apple isn't doing a stellar job of keeping Big Software happy on the platform. One could also say that Apple is buying up software and putting out their own apps (iLife, the pro suite) because, realistically speaking, any Big Software equivalent sucks shit through a straw.
Probably because Adobe needs to move units to make money- so it's useful to them to withhold Really Useful Features until much later in the game- notice how long it took them to add 16-bit editing to Photoshop. Eventually they'll have no choice but to make their apps _useable_, as they will have exhausted all other viable means for extorting profit.
Adobe interface sucks ass- compare to Macromedia apps in any arena where the two compete (Imageready is CREAMED by Fireworks, GoLive is _ass_ compared to Dreamweaver, etc).... and dear gods, I thought
Makes me wish OSS would hurry up and prestidigitate a Photoshop clone. (by which I mean clone, as in, can't tell the difference outside of the splash screen. Same shortcuts, same tool handling, etc. More would be nice but I'm ranting enough as it is.)
So. Big Software Sucks. Fuck, it's 2004 and software developers have yet to produce a web browser that does everything totally frigging awesome. They're not even close. And a web browser is, in many respects, a hell of a lot simpler than a video editing system or an image manipulation system.
..as a Mac admin since '97, it's blackly amusing that now that Apple's shipping unix, all my old linux friends are now flaunting powerbooks. :P
:|
OS X takes the bullshit out of getting Work Done, and that's nice- but in the process, the platform has transitioned from the domain of artists and eccentrics to the khaki-clad GAP-shopping technoratti richass motherfuckers, who have no use for any of the reasons the platform has continued to exist over the past 20 years.
My OS-that-runs-Art doesn't exist anymore. Apple's replaced it with an OS that does everything but Halflife... and to get that, they had to round off some of the edges.
It's actually WORSE in the linux community than it is in, say, the IRIX, Solaris or HP/UX camps. Then there's the OS X and Classic MacOS camps, which take the "being an elitist prick" mentality to a whole new level.
Oh, and there's LISP users and HURD developers. Dear fucking gods, they set the standard.
In reality, Apache is a bunch of variables and paths, SSH is a bunch of switches (YES|NO), and the config files for irssi and blackbox look like uncompiled C. Complete with the goddamned {curlybrackets}.
It doesn't make much sense for Apache to adhere to the same configuration method as SSH, and it makes no sense for either to be configured like a windowmanager.
Regardless of the formatting of the text config files, some degree of standardization could be slammed on with a decent system "control panel" a la Windows and OS X... but there isn't a single one out there for any *nix desktop that's intelligent and all-inclusive.
Dude, don't go dissing the llama. :-|
:P
I agree with the issues you state re: "installers", and in my experience, there simply is no easy way to remove a piece of software that messily sprays itself all over the file system. Try doing a manual uninstall of earlier versions of netatalk- it's like cleaning up after a two year old has had radio shack to himself for an afternoon!
The problem, ultimately, is that regardless of the system, the system will attract developers that are complete assholes. My favorite example is Adobe- they're complete fucking shits on OS X- so messy and disgusting you'd swear they were being intentionally malicious- an "installer" that shits files all over the filesystem and calls home during the install process- nevermind their complete failure to adhere to OS X human user interface conventions.
Dude, editing text files is _so_ unix. :|
:P
I much prefer the edit-on-the-fly that pretty much everything else has- I can, for example, peg my "gesture" key for Quake III anywhere I want, and if it's not working, I can change it in the middle of a map- no fuss, no muss.
And yes, I'm shopping in the wrong software outlets. They're the only kind that exist in Pittsburgh.
Man feels like function documentation by the programmer for the programmer- or for really advanced users who already Know the system as it existed during the devlopment of the application.
Man is not a Guide.
As a n00b, I'd love to be able to type, say.... guide vim and get a guide to using vim for the new user. Not the results of man vim, which is the vim man pages the way the vim programmer(s) decided they should be organized.
I have two highly unpleasant Oni memories- the first being the fact that the controls Can Not Be Remapped. That killed it for me... and the fact that it's STILL selling for 39.95 OR 49.95 (depending on which mac store you hit in the Pittsburgh area) is a joke. :|
You went and spoiled the propable apocalypse for yourself. :| And with the cash that's going into the kids, you could've bought guns and had yourself a grand old time, too!
Leastwise, they're quite a bit more succeptible to engineering quality than other media- do note that post-floppy, all of the moving parts have been moved into the reader and we're basically jamming disk platters into drives these days. So in addition to "platter" quality, floppies, zips, syquest, etc. had several additional points of failure in the physical disk hardware.
Hard disk capacities have been outstripping backup media by orders of magnitude for years. 40g drives were already common when DVD-R hit, and now that it's developed, 120-160g drives are common and 40s are on their way out- and good luck finding 9g DVD-R media. Have fun backing up 300g of data to 4.5g DVD-Rs.
2g and 4g drives were commonplace by the time CD burners became consumer-viable- you still needed multiple disks to backup a full drive.
ROTK was the only one of the three I saw on the big screen, and let me tell you- after nearly three hours, I had to piss like a frigging racehorse. The multiple endings with the super-long fades in between them were torture. Agonizing. Annoying as FUCK. I'm a picky bastard, but some of the audience was groaning by the third fade... and absolutely nobody stuck around for the credits.
:|
The multitude of endings would have worked great on DVD, but it was pure torture in the theater, at least for me and several of my friends.
Yay for a flamebate mod. Proves the moderator is either still a wet-behind-the-ears platform convert (I know a few), or can't articulate a convincing counterargument.
:P
The mac is not gifted in the games department, people. This isn't rocket science.
I was using the Ray as a price comparison, not an Ultimate Convenience comparison. A properly managed Mac network can be tightly secured- not quite as secure as Solaris, but close.
The local Library used to have a Ray network- your options were Netscape Navigator, or..... Netscape Navigator.
Quite secure.
It's the mac, people. This platform has shit for games. With a Doom3 port stuck in limbo, WoW is the only Major Title to have a mac release this year.
I suppose you can count the latest Unreal installment, but I'm talking Quality Games, not buzzword compliant buttsucking- UT doesn't come up in the same conversation as, say, GTA, Doom3, HL2, etc.
Sun was charging 1200$ a pop for Rays back in the day, if not more... and they didn't even have hard drives.
Oh, and they required a hugeass expensiveass server to boot and run. And a shitload of network infrastructure. So the total cost per unit was quite a bit higher.