It's NOT "one package with everything in it." The last release that was was StarOffice 5.2.
The article simple explains that the apps use a common "shell" that wraps around the GUI. Instead of each app having its own design, they are framed with the same toolbars. This, in theory, adds consistency and reduces code.
It sounds to me like you use other applications to get your work done and not StarOffice or OpenOffice.org. Those that do use them, those that are best qualified to comment, generally say that the consistency from one app to another is a nice feature.
The best part of "our" case is that we're right. We're just. We're honest. Assuming this is Darl McBride's real personal info, isn't it out of line to start fucking with him?
Yes, I think he's as much of a prick as anyone else and that he and his cohorts deserve, to some degree, a horrible and painful fate, but I will NOT resort to lowering the bar and hitting below the belt. And furthermore, I'd urge you to do the same. The guy has a family. Leave them out of it. Let him suffer his due when this ends and he's in jail.
BeOS used file attributes and file system queries to organize data. Longhorn's WinFS is built on this concept. The real question isn't how to organize your files, it's why does your data need to be in files? Why are folders so closely entwined with our computing experience? This type of grouping is best suited for your clothes in your dresser. In real life, tossing everything into a pool and pulling out what you need by characteristics ("attributes") is much more useful.
That's when encryption will be publically adopted.
A Bad Thing?
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P2P Spam?
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· Score: 4, Insightful
If the entire internet were absolutely smashed with spam, at leats one good thing might emerge - the will to actually combat it realistically!
With all the techno-dweebs on this site and all the fasntastic opinions about whitelists and blacklists and graylists and modifying SMTP and replacing SMTP and handshakes and authentication and a million other solutions, perhaps someone, somewhere, will finally being to make a dent in actually dealing with the spam problem.
This is fantastic. Not only does it reek of sarcasm and humor but it's a pointed and direct address of Mr. McBride's criminal activity. I am very glad to see an articulate open source advocate cast aside the niceties and really jab the pointy stick at SCO.
This saga has gone on for WAY too long. I wish there were more we, as individuals, could do to rally against SCO. For now, even if the code is found to be offending, I have no RESPECT for them. They are sleazy bastards who are attempting to drive this lawsuit and collect damages, and anything they say about "protecting intellectual property" is complete bullshit.
I am sad, very sad, because I'm upset enough that this has been allowed to continue tht I honestly want to see collective revenge. I want the SCO execs in jail.
The actions that they've taken shouldn't be permitted in a civilized society. They should be ashamed, and their mothers should too. They are hijackers. They are new-wave terrorists. And they deserve the same fate.
IBM is COUNTERsuing SCO. I'm talking about straight up suits that aren't in response to SCO stirring up the shit. Out of the blue ones that says "Hey assholes, *I* wrote some of that code you're claiming ownship of, so let me see some of that cash."
eWeek: For its part though, SCO has said that there are so many lines of code, and a variety of applications and devices that use that code, that simply removing the offending code would not be technically feasible or possible and would not solve the problem. Do you agree?
Torvalds: "They are smoking crack"
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You gotta love Linus. It's not just that he speaks his mind, it's that he's just cavalier about what he says.
On a serious note, I'd like to see some the guys involved with SMP or JFS or NUMA get together and *sue SCO.* Tell them they want a cut of any license they collect on unless they can PROVE they aren't claiming ownership of parts of their GPL/BSD contributed code.
Use Gentoo all you want. But Gentoo is *bleeding edge*. I don't know a single sysadmin who uses Gentoo on their servers. Further, I don't know a single one who WOULD use Gentoo on their servers.
Gentoo is a project, a hobby, a desktop OS. It's a fantastic product, don't get me wrong, but it's just not getting into the professional world, and even the die hards I know acknowledge that. Whereas Debian is definitely used by many in the server room, my perception is that Gentoo hasn't crossed that line yet. RH, SuSE, Conectiva, and a few others seem to have that area locked up (for now).
I've used Mozilla for some time, and believe you me, that's not nearly as true as it used to be. As time has transpired, Linux has invaded the corporate desktop, too much Flash has become passe, DHTML is left behind in favor of more standards compliant JS, server-side scripting, and XSL (and other events have passed too), more and more web sites have gotten on the ball. So much so that I honestly can't remember the last time I visited a site that didn't render properly in Mozilla/Firebird. Hell, even Konqueror and KHTML seem to be good enough for me, and I use the internet A LOT.
While it's true that IE specific code is what I believe to be a disservice to the furthering of the internet, it's not the terminal cancer that we thought it was just a short time ago.
because as much as it pains me to say it, there aren't really "other people who use this stuff." Those "other people" make up such a small percentage that we're pretty much insignificant. In time, as Linux gets easier to use and Macs become more common again, perhaps we may see hardware manufacturer's start to pay attention to us. They know we're there, we're just not a profitable investment.
If you had read the article before mouthing off, you'd have noticed that the letter reads:
"any of our customers, users, contributors and partners have been asking about our status since MandrakeSoft applied for Chapter 11 protection at the beginning of the year"
and then later:
"As most of you know, MandrakeSoft filed for Chapter 11 protection at the end of January 2003."
Next time, please read the article before getting on your soapbox.
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Isn't It Ironic?
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· Score: 2, Interesting
Situational irony occurs when the outcome of a situation is other than is expected. The key word here is EXPECTED - not just shitty. If you cease racing to avoid an accident and take up announcing at the track, we EXPECT that you have put yourself in a safer position. By not racing you are no longer in danger of being injured (or killed) by a race car accident.
The IRONY here is that, after the retiring, he *was* injured by a racecar, in less likely circumstances. That is situational irony.
Now, a very technical linguist might argue that there is assumed risk by simply being at the raceway, and what we're hearing is a tale of bad luck that might be humorous, but I'd refute that irony doesn't require the observer to take into account details. It's not a thesis, it's an outcome contrary to evidence that leads us in an exepcted direction.
What would make the situation more accetably ironic is if the ambulance, travelling at regular speeds on the way to the hospital, got into an accident and killed him.
A site that "facilitates" trading is fine. But a site that offers *downloads* can't accept advertising. I don't know why that's not fair -- if you run a site that offers their work, not far off from these discussion of "IP," to use a buzzword, you can't generate money. It's free or it's not allowed.
Why is that bad? Don't want to use your own cash? Don't redistribute their music.
Copyleft is about freedom. Copyleft authors are donating to you and there is perceived value in that. Since virtually everything copyleft is code, most slashdotters understand the time, blood, sweat and tears invested in the product and empathize.
Copyright is about protecting your work. I don't think most slashdotters feel copyrights are a bad thing, just the ones that are backed by lack of value. The RIAA has been ripping us off and price gauging us for a long time, so there isn't a belief that "stealing" the songs is anything more than getting what's due.
Surely everyone would agree that stealing is wrong. But many probably feel that price fixing CDs when you have a virtual monopoly is "wronger," and therefore, downloading music is somehow fair.
As much as this might have been a publicity scam, and as much as I've been enjoying this soap opera, I'm really getting sick of it now.
When is SCO going to get crushed like a lone sidewalk snail? I can't wait until someone sues the pants off of them.
And, as a matter of example, I hope the officers of the company have to serve time for this mess, if only to discourage other companies from pulling ploys like this.
When I download a file from Kazaa (a legal one, for certain), I sometimes get great download speed and other times, I get a low one. But I frequently get "more sources needed."
When I download via BitTorrent, sometimes I get incredible DL speed, other times, when the seeders disappear, I get nothing.
Now imagine, you're talking to your mom, and it drops out ("More Sources Needed") because the only guy covering a particular small span moved too far away from one of the hops. Or your phone call ends because the route is not currently available. Or the quality is low because some of the stretches are running close to the attenuation lengths.
With wireless technology in its infancy, you're putting the cart before the horse. With Bluetooth at a mere 33 feet and 802.11's no more than a hundred yards or so, we need much more coverage, probably miles per device, before this is realistic.
I've been using exclusively OO.o for a number of months. I recently installed MS Office 2003 b2 and took it for a run, and while tight and very modern, it's full of many crazy features and the XML is writes is hopelessly unreadable.
Most people take open source apps for granted, but this is one app that is DEFINITELY worth your cash. Ifd you really want to be part of a free software community, buy StarOffice 6 from Sun.
sco.com isn't repsonding to my http requests, nor apparently anyone else here. If I were the one posting the code to DDOS them, I'd be praying for a "delete comment" option right about now.
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It's NOT "one package with everything in it." The last release that was was StarOffice 5.2.
The article simple explains that the apps use a common "shell" that wraps around the GUI. Instead of each app having its own design, they are framed with the same toolbars. This, in theory, adds consistency and reduces code.
It sounds to me like you use other applications to get your work done and not StarOffice or OpenOffice.org. Those that do use them, those that are best qualified to comment, generally say that the consistency from one app to another is a nice feature.
The best part of "our" case is that we're right. We're just. We're honest. Assuming this is Darl McBride's real personal info, isn't it out of line to start fucking with him?
Yes, I think he's as much of a prick as anyone else and that he and his cohorts deserve, to some degree, a horrible and painful fate, but I will NOT resort to lowering the bar and hitting below the belt. And furthermore, I'd urge you to do the same. The guy has a family. Leave them out of it. Let him suffer his due when this ends and he's in jail.
BeOS used file attributes and file system queries to organize data. Longhorn's WinFS is built on this concept. The real question isn't how to organize your files, it's why does your data need to be in files? Why are folders so closely entwined with our computing experience? This type of grouping is best suited for your clothes in your dresser. In real life, tossing everything into a pool and pulling out what you need by characteristics ("attributes") is much more useful.
That's when encryption will be publically adopted.
If the entire internet were absolutely smashed with spam, at leats one good thing might emerge - the will to actually combat it realistically!
With all the techno-dweebs on this site and all the fasntastic opinions about whitelists and blacklists and graylists and modifying SMTP and replacing SMTP and handshakes and authentication and a million other solutions, perhaps someone, somewhere, will finally being to make a dent in actually dealing with the spam problem.
This is fantastic. Not only does it reek of sarcasm and humor but it's a pointed and direct address of Mr. McBride's criminal activity. I am very glad to see an articulate open source advocate cast aside the niceties and really jab the pointy stick at SCO.
This saga has gone on for WAY too long. I wish there were more we, as individuals, could do to rally against SCO. For now, even if the code is found to be offending, I have no RESPECT for them. They are sleazy bastards who are attempting to drive this lawsuit and collect damages, and anything they say about "protecting intellectual property" is complete bullshit.
I am sad, very sad, because I'm upset enough that this has been allowed to continue tht I honestly want to see collective revenge. I want the SCO execs in jail.
The actions that they've taken shouldn't be permitted in a civilized society. They should be ashamed, and their mothers should too. They are hijackers. They are new-wave terrorists. And they deserve the same fate.
IBM is COUNTERsuing SCO. I'm talking about straight up suits that aren't in response to SCO stirring up the shit. Out of the blue ones that says "Hey assholes, *I* wrote some of that code you're claiming ownship of, so let me see some of that cash."
eWeek: For its part though, SCO has said that there are so many lines of code, and a variety of applications and devices that use that code, that simply removing the offending code would not be technically feasible or possible and would not solve the problem. Do you agree?
Torvalds: "They are smoking crack"
---
You gotta love Linus. It's not just that he speaks his mind, it's that he's just cavalier about what he says.
On a serious note, I'd like to see some the guys involved with SMP or JFS or NUMA get together and *sue SCO.* Tell them they want a cut of any license they collect on unless they can PROVE they aren't claiming ownership of parts of their GPL/BSD contributed code.
Isn't this just one more reason to use MozillaFirebird?
Use Gentoo all you want. But Gentoo is *bleeding edge*. I don't know a single sysadmin who uses Gentoo on their servers. Further, I don't know a single one who WOULD use Gentoo on their servers.
Gentoo is a project, a hobby, a desktop OS. It's a fantastic product, don't get me wrong, but it's just not getting into the professional world, and even the die hards I know acknowledge that. Whereas Debian is definitely used by many in the server room, my perception is that Gentoo hasn't crossed that line yet. RH, SuSE, Conectiva, and a few others seem to have that area locked up (for now).
news.com.com really is the name of the site!
ps. news.com.com really is the name of the site!
I've used Mozilla for some time, and believe you me, that's not nearly as true as it used to be. As time has transpired, Linux has invaded the corporate desktop, too much Flash has become passe, DHTML is left behind in favor of more standards compliant JS, server-side scripting, and XSL (and other events have passed too), more and more web sites have gotten on the ball. So much so that I honestly can't remember the last time I visited a site that didn't render properly in Mozilla/Firebird. Hell, even Konqueror and KHTML seem to be good enough for me, and I use the internet A LOT.
While it's true that IE specific code is what I believe to be a disservice to the furthering of the internet, it's not the terminal cancer that we thought it was just a short time ago.
That is friggin gut busting. Awesome.
because as much as it pains me to say it, there aren't really "other people who use this stuff." Those "other people" make up such a small percentage that we're pretty much insignificant. In time, as Linux gets easier to use and Macs become more common again, perhaps we may see hardware manufacturer's start to pay attention to us. They know we're there, we're just not a profitable investment.
If you had read the article before mouthing off, you'd have noticed that the letter reads:
"any of our customers, users, contributors and partners have been asking about our status since MandrakeSoft applied for Chapter 11 protection at the beginning of the year"
and then later:
"As most of you know, MandrakeSoft filed for Chapter 11 protection at the end of January 2003."
Next time, please read the article before getting on your soapbox.
Situational irony occurs when the outcome of a situation is other than is expected. The key word here is EXPECTED - not just shitty. If you cease racing to avoid an accident and take up announcing at the track, we EXPECT that you have put yourself in a safer position. By not racing you are no longer in danger of being injured (or killed) by a race car accident.
The IRONY here is that, after the retiring, he *was* injured by a racecar, in less likely circumstances. That is situational irony.
Now, a very technical linguist might argue that there is assumed risk by simply being at the raceway, and what we're hearing is a tale of bad luck that might be humorous, but I'd refute that irony doesn't require the observer to take into account details. It's not a thesis, it's an outcome contrary to evidence that leads us in an exepcted direction.
What would make the situation more accetably ironic is if the ambulance, travelling at regular speeds on the way to the hospital, got into an accident and killed him.
BeOS.
TuneTracker.
A site that "facilitates" trading is fine. But a site that offers *downloads* can't accept advertising. I don't know why that's not fair -- if you run a site that offers their work, not far off from these discussion of "IP," to use a buzzword, you can't generate money. It's free or it's not allowed.
Why is that bad? Don't want to use your own cash? Don't redistribute their music.
Copyleft is about freedom. Copyleft authors are donating to you and there is perceived value in that. Since virtually everything copyleft is code, most slashdotters understand the time, blood, sweat and tears invested in the product and empathize.
Copyright is about protecting your work. I don't think most slashdotters feel copyrights are a bad thing, just the ones that are backed by lack of value. The RIAA has been ripping us off and price gauging us for a long time, so there isn't a belief that "stealing" the songs is anything more than getting what's due.
Surely everyone would agree that stealing is wrong. But many probably feel that price fixing CDs when you have a virtual monopoly is "wronger," and therefore, downloading music is somehow fair.
As much as this might have been a publicity scam, and as much as I've been enjoying this soap opera, I'm really getting sick of it now.
When is SCO going to get crushed like a lone sidewalk snail? I can't wait until someone sues the pants off of them.
And, as a matter of example, I hope the officers of the company have to serve time for this mess, if only to discourage other companies from pulling ploys like this.
When I download a file from Kazaa (a legal one, for certain), I sometimes get great download speed and other times, I get a low one. But I frequently get "more sources needed."
When I download via BitTorrent, sometimes I get incredible DL speed, other times, when the seeders disappear, I get nothing.
Now imagine, you're talking to your mom, and it drops out ("More Sources Needed") because the only guy covering a particular small span moved too far away from one of the hops. Or your phone call ends because the route is not currently available. Or the quality is low because some of the stretches are running close to the attenuation lengths.
With wireless technology in its infancy, you're putting the cart before the horse. With Bluetooth at a mere 33 feet and 802.11's no more than a hundred yards or so, we need much more coverage, probably miles per device, before this is realistic.
It's free as in speech.
You can ensure and support continued development with your charitable donation though. Of course, now I'm sounding like an ad.
The best way to keep free software free is to support the developers.
I've been using exclusively OO.o for a number of months. I recently installed MS Office 2003 b2 and took it for a run, and while tight and very modern, it's full of many crazy features and the XML is writes is hopelessly unreadable.
Most people take open source apps for granted, but this is one app that is DEFINITELY worth your cash. Ifd you really want to be part of a free software community, buy StarOffice 6 from Sun.
Whether or not this anecdote has even a shred of truth to it is irrelevant, it's still a great story. I think it's a crack up.
sco.com isn't repsonding to my http requests, nor apparently anyone else here. If I were the one posting the code to DDOS them, I'd be praying for a "delete comment" option right about now.