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Matrix Reloaded on DVD Before Revolutions

SycloneFX noted that the Matrix Reloaded will be available on DVD on Oct 14, just 3 weeks before the release of Revolutions. This is noteworthy because normally there are large time spans between releases of DVDs and Sequels (although LotR had a special edition released only a few weeks before TTT).

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  1. Yeesh! by TopShelf · · Score: 5, Funny

    What timing - sounds like October will be "all Matrix, all the time." I think I'll have to load up on those red-hot cinnamon candies that look like the "red pill." Any Agent Smiths or Neo's that show up at my door on Halloween can head right back to their dreamworld...

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    1. Re:Yeesh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note worthy my ass!

    2. Re:Yeesh! by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 1

      sounds like October will be "all Matrix, all the time."

      You watch WAY too much Elmo...

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    3. Re:Yeesh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, no shit. why did this get modded up, anyways? this was about the least funny post ever.

    4. Re:Yeesh! by Cynikal · · Score: 1

      actually the red pill was to "wake up" into the real world... the blue one was to go back to the dream world

    5. Re:Yeesh! by cshark · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can't wait! You know, the motion picture industry is so much smarter than the music industry. When the music industry starts freaking out about sales, they start suing people. When the motion picture industry starts freaking out about sales, they start messing with new marketing schemes and incentives that actually give people a reason the buy their products. I hope we see more of this kind of innovation from the motion picture industry in the coming years.

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    6. Re:Yeesh! by clem · · Score: 5, Funny

      the blue one was to go back to the dream world

      Well then, keep a stock of NyQuil gelcaps on hand for the trick-or-treaters. That oughta send 'em back to dream world.

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    7. Re:Yeesh! by JohnRlI · · Score: 3, Insightful

      YEs, which is why they release Terminator 3 in the States a month before they do over here, and then they wonder why people download films. The fact of the matter is most of the films I download I do so because I can't currently buy them. Maybe if they provided an actual product for us to "steal" sales from then they could have some sort of complaint.

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    8. Re:Yeesh! by detritus. · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When the motion picture industry starts freaking out about sales, they start messing with new marketing schemes and incentives that actually give people a reason the buy their products.

      You mean how they release a movie on DVD, wait 6 months, then screw the customer when they intentionally release a special edition of the DVD with never-before-seen footage, extra commentary, etc...

      They definitely give you a reason to buy their products, or re-buy their products..

      Mark my words -- next year we'll see a Matrix trilogy boxset coming out, with extra content, etc.. that will leave all the people who bought the movies when they first were released on DVD, pissed off with no choice to once-again buy the same movie.

      Yeah, until the Matrix Trilogy box set comes out, with 60 minutes of never before seen footage, extra director's commentary, etc...

    9. Re:Yeesh! by emo+boy · · Score: 1

      Hot Tamales are the bane of all that is evil.

    10. Re:Yeesh! by realdpk · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, really. I gave the MPAA my credit card details to keep on file. Now they won't stop using it to buy me the first DVD release and then all of the subsequent special releases. It's out of control!

      If only I had a choice not to buy all of those DVDs, what a wonderous world that would be.

    11. Re:Yeesh! by Afrosheen · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that Lucas did this also with the original Star Wars Trilogy. The first set of the re-release was THX enhanced and cleaned up a little, the second set was THX, cleaned, and included some dubious edits and new scenes (including . I'm pretty sure he started the whole 'release it then release it again with more stuff' trend that everyone's doing now.

      I saw Charlies Angel's 1.5 at Blockbuster yesterday. How asinine.

    12. Re:Yeesh! by captainktainer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think that's his point. Hateful or not, it brings in the money. Exploiting human psychology to sell a product is fine as long as everyone involved knows what's going to happen- yes, there will be a "value added" release several months after the original DVD is sold. Caveat emptor- let the buyer beware.

      If you don't want to play their game then don't buy the initial product. It is a *choice* you must make- whether to succumb to instant gratification or delay gratification until a point where you can maximize your enjoyment. The motion picture industries are continuing a time-honored tradition of exploiting the human desire for instant gratification. Exploitative? Maybe. Cynical? Absolutely. Wrong? I don't believe so.

      Personally, I think this plan is marketing genius- the people who see the DVD are going to remember how very cool the second movie was and will be even more exciting about seeing the third film. Cynicism aside, it's probably the best way to promote co-produced sequels like this, and I'm glad that for once the studios seem to be showing a little bit of respect for a film.

    13. Re:Yeesh! by ccnull · · Score: 4, Informative

      In fairness to Hollywood (which I am loath to provide), this is sometimes a distribution problem. T3 is being distributed by no fewer than 8 different companies, each with a slice of the world where they can play. The rights issues are so convoluted that it's a surprise movies like this ever hit screens at all.

      Contrast that with Matrix 2, which was distributed by Warner Bros. in almost every country and which hit within a week of the US release in nearly all of them.

      Just something to think about. I don't think there's a conspiracy to screw you just because you're (presumably) in Europe.

      Or is there...

    14. Re:Yeesh! by indead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You mean how they release a movie on DVD, wait 6 months, then screw the customer when they intentionally release a special edition of the DVD with never-before-seen footage, extra commentary, etc...

      How is that "screwing" you? You don't have to buy either version, you know.

    15. Re:Yeesh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      assmaster taco - on what grounds do you base your
      (as usual, idiotic) comment about "normally there
      is a large amount of time" blah de blah de i'm a
      freakin paedophile yammering?

      choke

      on your vomit

    16. Re:Yeesh! by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It's just another intelligence test. The smart people will download starting with a torrent and wait for the boxed set to come out, then buy that.

      Sure, it's not illegal, but it's not really immoral IMO. Plus, the only thing a corporation understands is monetary feedback. If you hold off on buying the movie, but buy it later when it has the features you want, then it sends a clear signal that you want the special features. Meanwhile, if you are going to buy it later, you're not stealing the content, you're getting an advance copy :D (Not that it's ever theft, it's copyright violation. But anyway.)

      I'm sure tons of people are painting my comment as rationalization, and it is, as far as any justification for any activity is. After all, buying sneakers which are made in another country with what is essentially slave labor and thus denying your home country the revenues plus encouraging companies to move their labor overseas to save a buck or two isn't really bad, because those people would just starve to death, right? They're glad to make US$1 a day gluing soles and being exposed to noxious chemicals without protection!

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    17. Re:Yeesh! by griffjon · · Score: 1

      so, pirate the first run for your fix (or just do without), and buy the cool box-set thing when it comes out. This is not rocket science.

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    18. Re:Yeesh! by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1
      If you don't want to play their game then don't buy the initial product

      No, no, no, no, no! If you don't want to play their game, wait until the special edition comes out then buy the initial product at half price. I'm not buying the cinematic release of TTT until the extended version comes out, and I certainly won't be springing 25 quid for that. The quality of the "extras" on FOTR made me realise that 2 more discs of material probably wouldn't be all that good.

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    19. Re:Yeesh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      emo boy-
      I hope you aren't implying that Hot Tamales are evil.....
      And even if you were I'd have to clarify:

      bane (noun)
      1. Fatal injury or ruin.
      2. A cause of harm, ruin, or death.
      3. A source of persistent annoyance or exasperation.
      4. A deadly poison.

      Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition

      So what you are saying is that Hot Tamales are the pillar of all that is good.

      I agree.

    20. Re:Yeesh! by BigJimSlade · · Score: 1

      You mean how they release a movie on DVD, wait 6 months, then screw the customer when they intentionally release a special edition of the DVD with never-before-seen footage, extra commentary, etc...

      Am I the only one here who has noticed this and actively done something about it? I know they're going to release a big boxed set of all the Matrix movies, probably even The Animatrix, and I will be there to get it. But I will not be spending money on all the other releases in the mean time.

    21. Re:Yeesh! by Gareth+Williams · · Score: 1

      Choice. The problem is choice....

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    22. Re:Yeesh! by thynk · · Score: 1

      Well then, keep a stock of NyQuil gelcaps on hand for the trick-or-treaters. That oughta send 'em back to dream world.

      Until the next day when their parents show up with the police!

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    23. Re:Yeesh! by garymm · · Score: 1

      Except who wants to wait for the trilogy boxset somes out when I've already used my original Matrix DVD many times? Sure, it'd be nice if they included more stuff in the first version, but people know what they're getting into. Same w/ computers, cars, etc. You can buy it now, and have it now, or you can wait and have something better. (I realize it's evolution of technology vs. inclusion of extras, but to the consumer, it's the same thing.)

    24. Re:Yeesh! by nyseal · · Score: 1

      n all fairness, they do the same thing with VHS...

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  2. I'll wait. by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm still trying to figure out the first one.

    1. Re:I'll wait. by cwernli · · Score: 1

      I'm still trying to figure out the first one.

      That was my stance after having seen the original Star Wars Trilogy...

    2. Re:I'll wait. by Surak · · Score: 1

      I'm still trying to figure out the first one.

      That was my stance after having seen the original Star Wars Trilogy...


      That's STILL my stance as of Episode II. ;)

    3. Re:I'll wait. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see what the big deal is.

      "Some movie that was out in theaters last year is out on DVD now. And the third part of the trilogy will be out in theaters after that."

      Wow. That's news?

      I just hope /. is at least getting paid for pumping the MPAA's product -- especially since they claim to hate the MPAA.

    4. Re:I'll wait. by babbage · · Score: 1

      Apparently, like the Grateful Dead, "The Matrix" is only enjoyable under the influence of pills or other similar substances. Hence the pill imagery, the pill icon on Slashdot, etc...

    5. Re:I'll wait. by JesterXXV · · Score: 0, Troll
      You are so stupid I find myself frustrated. Even if you are joking, you are so not funny that you're stupid.

      The post contains two sentences. One of them is: "This is noteworthy because normally there are large time spans between releases of DVDs and Sequels..." In case you did not grasp its meaning, it explains "what the big deal is."

      Not to mention the fact that the movie did not come out last year; it came out May of this year.

      Not to mention the fact that the DVD is not out yet; it will be out in October, as noted by the other sentence in the post.

      Not to mention the fact that Slashdot never claimed to hate the MPAA. Slashdotters may generally express dislike towards them, but I fail to see where it says "We here at Slashdot claim to hate the MPAA".

      I would like to reiterate that you are so stupid. I hope you win a Darwin Award.

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    6. Re:I'll wait. by rocjoe71 · · Score: 1
      Pshaw!

      ...I'm still trying to get my head around "Back to the Future"!

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    7. Re:I'll wait. by sharkey · · Score: 2, Funny
      I'm still trying to figure out the first one.

      Carrie Ann Moss is Bill's mom, and she's still hot. Remember when she was a Senior, and they were Freshmen?

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  3. The plan all along... by Richardsonke1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This was the plan all along. The reason why the film is coming out at this time is because this is the earliest they could release it. The said that they were doing this because the cliff-hanger at the end of the second movie was so much that they would be killed if they waited the normal amount of time to release the sequel.

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    1. Re:The plan all along... by __aaklbk2114 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The cliff-hanger at the end of Reloaded was retarded. Ooooh, the only survivor from the ship is the guy on table right across from Neo, NOOOOOOOOOO!

      L A M E ! ! !

      The Whatchamacallit brothers should cut their losses and and destroy any evidence of Revolutions before they release it and ruin their carears for good.

    2. Re:The plan all along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Ooooh, the only survivor from the ship is the guy on table right across from Neo, NOOOOOOOOOO!
      What makes me think you didn't realise that that guy was possessed by Agent Smith earlier in the film?
    3. Re:The plan all along... by Prior+Restraint · · Score: 3, Funny

      Um. The cliffhanger was that the only survivor was the guy "possessed" by Agent Smith. You know, the guy who's trying to kill Neo? Admittedly, it's kind of hard to tell because he's upside down.

      "The Whatchamacallit brothers". Now that's comedy!

    4. Re:The plan all along... by ceejayoz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Looks like you missed something.

      The single survivor is none other than Agent Smith.

      The body is that of the person Smith punches in the chest, then dials out of the Matrix in Neo's prophecy/dream. He's also the guy who cut his hand up with a knife while preparing to stab Neo in Zion, before he was interrupted. Undoubtedly he's the reason the EMP went off early and caused the counterattack to fail miserably, too.

    5. Re:The plan all along... by Daengbo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm no Matrix fan, but I have the DVD besause, you know, the whhooosh stuff. Anyway, I took my GF to see Reloaded, and I say this: if the first minute and the last minute of the movie totally destroy my suspension of disbelief, then how am I supposed to get into it?
      I walked out of the room when I say The Matrix because of the junior high philosophy being thrown at me, but this was totally beyond that. This was absolute disregard for self consistancy. How do you get premonitions in the real world about what will happen in a computer simulation? How do you take your power out of that simulation and into the real world?
      I saw a much better treatment of the whole "what is real?" philosophical mumbo jumbo in a movie called "The Thirteenth Floor." A computer company makes a simulation for people's amusement, and it explores the moral side of the AI problem. No great special effects, but a much more solid story line.

    6. Re:The plan all along... by ceejayoz · · Score: 1

      How do you get premonitions in the real world about what will happen in a computer simulation? How do you take your power out of that simulation and into the real world?

      Perhaps the "real" world isn't as "real" as they thought it was?

    7. Re:The plan all along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How do you get premonitions in the real world about what will happen in a computer simulation? How do you take your power out of that simulation and into the real world?
      Yeah, these are among the questions the 3rd movie needs to answer, that you were set up to want to know by the second. One possible answer: there has never been a "real world" shown to us in either movie; when the characters think they're in the "real world", they're in fact in an "outer Matrix". Of course, that solution sets up lots of other problems. The third movie will stand or fall on how satisfying its answer is to your points (among others).

      Of course, some people will not be satisfied by the movie because they're incapable of spotting that Agent Smith infected Bane in the real world even when they're shown the series of images 1) Bane in matrix 2) Bane's mate escapes Matrix through telephone 3) Smith infects Bane in Matrix 4) New Smith-in-Bane uses phone in identical way to Bane's mate. Such people are hopeless divots and would do better to see the latest Carey, Spears or Carrey effort.
    8. Re:The plan all along... by Daengbo · · Score: 1

      I had thought about that as an explanation of the final scene, but I still won't buy it even if it's the "prison within a prison" scenario. It will take a lot of explaining to get that one fixed for me, and I'm not the only one.

    9. Re:The plan all along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Suppose Neo, Morpheus and the rest are all AIs who only think they're human?

      Just because the second movie has posed some questions that it hasn't answered and that you can't see a satisfactory answer to doesn't make it a bad movie.

    10. Re:The plan all along... by ceejayoz · · Score: 1

      but I still won't buy it even if it's the "prison within a prison" scenario. It will take a lot of explaining to get that one fixed for me

      What's insufficient about the prison-within-a-prison explanation? If that's indeed the case, it explains everything quite tidily.

    11. Re:The plan all along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How would you resolve the story in that case? It would be as unsatisfying as "...and then they woke up and it was all a dream", because you would never be sure that you weren't being shown a Matrix-within-a-Matrix-within-a-Matrix, or a (Matrix-within-a-)^4, etcetera. You would never reach closure, and the film would just be annoying and pointless. There has to be a better way out.

    12. Re:The plan all along... by mskfisher · · Score: 1

      My theory about the premonitions involves the machinery that the machines implanted in the pod-grown humans.

      If you notice, during the sex/rave scene and any other scene involving people, a comparatively large emphasis is placed on flesh and the ports that are left on/in the people. I think they were trying to make the point that those particular humans were still connected to the Matrix in some way.
      That was my rationalization for why Neo was able to control the Sentinels.

      I enjoyed the Thirteenth Floor as well, but it seemed a little too simple by comparison. It felt more like a long Outer Limits episode rather than a full movie.
      The simulation-within-a-simulation idea makes for a good mystery, but the philosophy involved isn't as satisfying.
      However, I always enjoy Craig Bierko's performances (Long Kiss Goodnight, anyone?).

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    13. Re:The plan all along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh know the movie doesn't spoon feed me a happy end whatever shall I do?

    14. Re:The plan all along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rumour in the movie business is actually that "Revolutions" is released so early to fill in the gap WB had after the next Harry Potter movie was postponed (one of the key actors died).

    15. Re:The plan all along... by Ferrule · · Score: 2, Informative

      Holy, you all missed something. Didn't you notice it was a little strange when Neo stopped those robot critters in the real world?

      That's the cliff hanger.

    16. Re:The plan all along... by MisterFancypants · · Score: 1
      Oh know the movie doesn't spoon feed me a happy end whatever shall I do?

      Um, brush up on your English?

    17. Re:The plan all along... by forged · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Zion (and co.) is a matrix inside the matrix. That also explains Neo's power to stop the last group of sentinels and why he "feels" them.

    18. Re:The plan all along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you would never be sure that you weren't being shown a Matrix-within-a-Matrix-within-a-Matrix

      People have had the power to 'wake up' from the Matrix before (the first person ever to 'wake up, for instance).

      Neo, being a 'the One', must have this power, too. So, Neo just needs to try to 'break out' of each level of matrix until ther is a level he cannot break out of. That's reality.

    19. Re:The plan all along... by Daengbo · · Score: 1

      No, I'm saying that the first five minutes and the last five minutes of the movie made me ask questions about how. That is not the place to put them to keep suspension of disbelief in place. For that reason I think it was bad, but I thought the first one was, too.

    20. Re:The plan all along... by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 1

      If you actually pay attention to what the Architect tells Neo, and you think back to what Morpheus tells Neo before giving him the pills, you'll realise that everything actually does make sense.

      You have to remember ... this isn't three separate movies. It's one long story spread across three movies. It's more of a series than a set of sequels.

      And if you actually pay attention to the movies, and to what is and isn't said, it really does make sense, and it really is consistent.

    21. Re:The plan all along... by Daengbo · · Score: 1

      I didn't mean that The 13th Floor was a great movie: it wasn't. Just that it treated the subject in a more interesting way. I felt the story was first and the effects were second, not the other way around. Hey, but I already made the comment today that SF short stories make the best movies. They can flesh them out a little instead of cutting two-thirds of the material out.

    22. Re:The plan all along... by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 1

      That's a good one, but I highly doubt it to be the real one. :)

      Think back to what the Architect told Neo about choice. Then think back to what Morpheus tells Neo before handing him the pills.

      If you paid close attention to those two scenes, then the entire three movie plot should just jump right out at you. :)

    23. Re:The plan all along... by Daengbo · · Score: 1

      You'll have to clue me in on this one, because I can't quote the Architect at all. I haven't spent my life dissecting the Matrix for meaning. Is it about promising nothing but the truth? or what?

    24. Re:The plan all along... by mattsucks · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh know the movie doesn't spoon feed me a happy end whatever shall I do?

      Because there is no ... oh, never mind.

    25. Re:The plan all along... by darkweasel · · Score: 0

      Thus the question: what is reality? How can we tell?

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    26. Re:The plan all along... by The+Evil+Couch · · Score: 1

      you're assuming that because he's "the One" in a particular layer of the Matrix that he's "the One" in all the rest. he doesn't have to be. after all, if I load up Populous or Black and White, I'm a god. but in reality, I'm just a grumpy infantryman/computer geek.... or at least this layer of reality....

    27. Re:The plan all along... by cheese_wallet · · Score: 1

      "I didn't mean that The 13th Floor was a great movie: it wasn't."

      I guess whether or not you like a movie is up to you, but it seems like people on slashdot are in a state of perpetual disappointment.

      I liked the 13th floor. I thought it was really well done, I liked the story, and there weren't any points in the movie where I thought "that was stupid" or "why would they do that?". It was really too bad that it came out so close to the Matrix. They really were different movies.

      I think you're right, though, about the short stories making better movies. Not just SF, but in general. Worked for The Shawshank Redemption anyway.

    28. Re:The plan all along... by JesterXXV · · Score: 1
      "...if the first minute and the last minute of the movie totally destroy my suspension of disbelief..."

      Can you explain what you mean here? What was it about the first and last minutes of the movie that destroyed your suspension of disbelief? I'm just wondering, because I don't remember exactly what happened in those moments, and I also don't recall having MY suspension of disbelief ruined. I'm also asking because I was disappointed somewhat by the film, too, but I couldn't quite put my finger on why.

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    29. Re:The plan all along... by Daengbo · · Score: 1

      I'll rephrase. I recommended 13th Floor to everyone. I thought it was a good movie, but not great. I certainly thought it was mile above the Matrix, as you will see if you follow the thread up a little. In short, I did like the movie, so I recommended it.

    30. Re:The plan all along... by SpryGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My favorite quote from the Architect is how Neo is the integral sum of a set of remainders that accumulated over time.

      Thus, not only is "Neo" an anagram of "One", he really IS "The One"... the integral sum of remainders. The number one.

      I loved that. I dunno why, but I just thought it was cool.

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    31. Re:The plan all along... by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the early days of the Matrix they experienced problems due to free will and people wanting to have a choice. Certain minds could not accept the Matrix because they had no choice in the matter. These were the first people to be known as "The One".

      Overtime, the machines devised a method of keeping the human mind content -- by offering them the choice. They could choose to live in the Matrix, or they could choose to live in "the real world" and fight against the Matrix. Hence, the red and blue pills.

      What the humans fail to realise is that they are still within the Matrix. They believe they are in the real world, but that belief is the very chain holding them in the Matrix. The Matrix is multi-leveled.

      The Architect explains all this (without actually calling the real world The Matrix). And, if you recall all that Morpheus tells Neo in the beginning of the first movie, it all makes sense. Add in the whole "something isn't right, I can feel them" scene with Neo and the Sentinels (reminiscent of Neo and the Agents from the first episode) and it all starts to come together.

      It's my thinking that Neo is in a coma simply because his mind has figured out the truth, but he refuses to accept it (similar to his thinking in the first episode). In the first movie he had to die to accept the truth. Now, he just has to put himself into a coma to accept the truth.

    32. Re:The plan all along... by jafuser · · Score: 1

      One thing that has always bugged me was how do they bleed in the "real" world due to something they percieve within the simulated world while they're hooked in?

      The "matrix within a matrix" may help explain that, since the two layers could somehow have a (so far unexplained) causal relationship.

      The only disappointment would be that this would be too simple of a solution.

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    33. Re:The plan all along... by rudiger · · Score: 1

      yea, because the 'real world' is just another matrix which is why Neo still has his powers. he is going to have to break them out of that matrix to really be 'out.' they are really beating a dead horse w/ that matrix stuff.

      I want to see Matrix4: Determinant :)

    34. Re:The plan all along... by jafuser · · Score: 1

      If you watch the special effects at the very beginning of the second movie, IIRC, it implies a meta-matrix:

      First it shows a matrix-scape, from which it zooms out to show a single character of a higher matrix-scape, from which then the camera zooms out to the beginning scene.

      This would explain how things from within the matrix can affect things outside it: physical injuries caused by perceived injuries, smith infecting a "real" person, neo stopping the sentinels, etc.

      Now the real question is, how many levels are there?

      I predict six =P

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    35. Re:The plan all along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 13th floor sucked, why would you go into a VR world that is based on the 20s or 30s? I want to see things that I can't see in actual reality, not stuff I can see on PBS at any time.

    36. Re:The plan all along... by Chazmati · · Score: 1

      Right. Morpheus said something like "Your brain makes it real" but that seemed a little far out. If you died in the matrix, I'd accept that your meatspace self might go into a coma, but could your brain really rupture blood vessels and be tricked into stopping your autonomous functions (heartbeat, respiration, etc)

      Maybe "Your brain makes it real" was Morpheus' rationalization of observed effects, but the reality is the "matrix within a matrix" explanation.

      Damn, now I'm really fired up for Revolutions.

    37. Re:The plan all along... by Lt+Razak · · Score: 1

      nah.. what's cool is when they find out that they too are just programs, and not really helping out the humans at all. In fact they are trapped in the matrix by the real humans.

    38. Re:The plan all along... by EpsCylonB · · Score: 1

      yeah but it is such a cop out, it might surprise joe public but anyone who likes science fiction will be dissapointed.

    39. Re:The plan all along... by Fatllama · · Score: 1

      Consider: the machines claim that this version of the matrix is number six. The rise and fall of Zion has happened 5 times before without a hitch, but this time things will be different, I think.

      When Neo merged with Smith in the first movie, Smith gained extra abilities. He now can multiply and can occupy the mind of a human in the real world. I think the reverse is also true: Neo gained some abilities through his collision with Smith as well, namely the ability to "interface" with the machines in the real world. The plan to destroy Zion will not go smoothly for the machines this time. You heard it here first, the "Matrix within a Matrix" idea is a cop-out and not worthy of the Brothers W.

    40. Re:The plan all along... by KillerLoop · · Score: 1

      finding himself all alone in a barren world. what a prospect. or maybe just to realize that humankind went to the matrix out of its own accord :)

    41. Re:The plan all along... by beebware · · Score: 1

      What good is a body without a mind? I think it was Douglas Adams who prophesied that if you died in a virtual world you would also die in the real world.

    42. Re:The plan all along... by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

      The Architect explicitly says to Neo, "Although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrecovably human". It's possible he's lying of course, but that just feels wrong. I think everything he tells Neo is the truth (although I'm sure he's left some stuff out)

      The machines want to build the perfect simulation; one that everyone will accept. To this end, they must perfect their understanding of human nature, specifically our choices.

      In this iteration of the Matrix, they seem to be very interested in the emotion of love. Persephone demanding to 'sample' Neo's love of Trinity via a kiss, and the entire ending is engineered by the machines to test Neo and Trinity's love for each other.

      Also, the Architect says this:

      "Your 5 predecessors were by design based on a similar predication a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way your experience is far more specific, Vis a vie love."

      This doesn't seem to make sense to me... his predecessors experienced a "profound attachment to the rest of [their] species", but Neo is different.. he has a profound attachment to ONE PERSON, which would be contrary to "facilitating the function of the One", but it seems the machines intended this. Why? To finally find the lever required for a human to doom his race?

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      "Mind, as manifested by the capacity to make choices, is to some extent present in every electron." -Freeman Dyson
    43. Re:The plan all along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Then we will learn the truth about Neo: he is really just another program in the matrix. After that we will get to watch the heart wrenching scene as he and Trinity say goodbye just before he frees her and the rest of humanity from the Matrix for good, thus killing himself. The End.

    44. Re:The plan all along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It seems likely that Neo is a program inside the Matrix. The Architect pretty much gives it away when he says to Neo: "It is interesting, reading your reactions. Your 5 predecessors were, by design, based on a similar predication - a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific - vis a vis love.

    45. Re:The plan all along... by dakryx · · Score: 0

      They just jumped the gun and made Neo, Super Neo able to stop flying machines at his own whim!

    46. Re:The plan all along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Larry Fishburne wouldn't shut the fuck up and let me enjoy the movie.

    47. Re:The plan all along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoon-feed yourself an education in English?

    48. Re:The plan all along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because you would never be sure that you weren't being shown a Matrix-within-a-Matrix-within-a-Matrix, or a (Matrix-within-a-)^4, etcetera.

      I'd think you could never be sure of that anyway. How do you know the humans aren't living in another Matrix in which they believe they defeated the machines and lived happily ever after?

      You don't. So worrying that the plot will leave that hole open is pointless - it will always do that.

    49. Re:The plan all along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the next Harry Potter movie was postponed (one of the key actors died).

      Hallelujah! My prayers have been answered, there is a God.

      Harry Fucking Potter. What a crock of shit. A children's movie treated like something amazing, just because a bunch of retarded Usonian fundamentalists kicked up a stink about magic and witchcraft.

    50. Re:The plan all along... by Gareth+Williams · · Score: 1

      I completely agree with you. The most reasonable explanation I've heard so far.

      So many times have I read the "meta matrix" explanation here on slashdot, I've lost count. If that's supposed to be a surprise, it ain't surprising anyone. It's the *obvious* answer, and everyone seems to be going for it hook, line and sinker.

      Consider this everyone. In the trailer for the 3rd film (you did stay to see the trailer, didn't you? ;-) it appears the major "showdown" ( / action) is going to be the battle to save Zion. For this to be even remotely interesting to watch, the audience has to believe that Zion is worth saving. If it's just another meta matrix, well who gives a sh*t right? Also the obvious problem is that if Zion *is* in a meta matrix, then they must somehow escape this matrix too, right? But how could the W. brothers have any way to make us believe the 3rd one is the "real" one. In short, the whole thing loses all credibility.

      I don't believe they would make such a mistake. There must be a better explanation for Neo stopping the squiddies in the Real World (TM), and the parent post looks to have the most half decent explanation I've seen so far.

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      --Gareth
    51. Re:The plan all along... by Chris+Y+Taylor · · Score: 1

      If I were writing it, then all the "real" people would be programs, too. All the levels of the matrix would be run by humans; probably grad students.

      I guess there is a reason why I am not a screenwriter.

    52. Re:The plan all along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's actually some footage in Enter the Matrix (the video game) that shows this real world Agent Smith killing crew members on his ship.

    53. Re:The plan all along... by j3ffrey · · Score: 0

      I agree with you. I've been saying this too. That the collision of a human mind with a different kind of mind, has resulted in a "cross-pollination" of cognative abilities. I hope we are right because I for one (and I can see that I am not alone in this) think that the concept of a meta-matrix is a piss-weak plot device. I would find it dissappointing I think. Something from the first movie has me thinking though: "How can he be the one, if he's dead". Cypher gets toasted by tank and Neo goes on to discover that he is the one. Was it luck that saved Tank so he could save Neo? The outcome was prophesied (what is the past tense verb of prophecy?). How so since we're not in the matrix at this point? Coincidence might be enough too explain this, but ....

    54. Re:The plan all along... by shenki · · Score: 1

      To finally find the lever required for a human to doom his race?

      This a good question I think. The animatrix episodes talk about the machines persecuting the humans, seeking to wipe them out. But the whole idea of using them as a power source means the humans are kept in existence.

      So, as you have asked, maybe the perfect 'one' must be the one that is willing to destroy the humans once and for all? (Thats why the architect seems disappointed that neo remains irrevocably human)

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    55. Re:The plan all along... by Stalemate · · Score: 1

      Do dreams count as a virtual world, in your opinion? I'm just asking because I die in my dreams once in a while, but I'm still here.

    56. Re:The plan all along... by fbg111 · · Score: 1

      That guy's name is "Bane", FYI.

      Additionally, if the real world is simply another Matrix within a Matrix, then why can't Neo sense it? It was made very clear in The Matrix, and additionally in one of the Animatrixes that people like Neo (and Morpheus, and that annoying kid Popper) can naturally sense the unreality of the Matrix, even though they don't understand it until they are physically removed. Popper asks in the Animatrix, "Why does it feel more real when I dream than when I am awake?" Clearly, if Neo cannot sense that he is in a matrix-within-a-matrix, then he isn't.

      You may go on to argue that perhaps the machines have made the matrix-within-the-matrix in such a way that Neo can't sense it. But if that is the case, then why didn't they simply make the original Matrix this way and avoid the entire The One problem in the first place? That would have been soooo much easier and would have negated the entire reason for the movies in the first place. They didn't b/c they couldn't, and the real world is actually the real world. There is no Matrix-within-a-Matrix.

      The explanation for Neo's real-world powers lies in something the Architect said: "...although the process has altered your consciousness you remain irrevocably human..." Eg, Neo is physically human but his experience as The One has somehow altered his real-world consciousness, giving him a connection with, or power over, the machines in the real world. How this plays out in Revolutions will be interesting for sure.

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    57. Re:The plan all along... by sharkey · · Score: 1
      I walked out of the room when I say The Matrix

      Then don't say it. Nobody's FORCING the phrase "The Matrix" to come out of your mouth, are they?

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      "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
    58. Re:The plan all along... by sharkey · · Score: 1
      What makes me think you didn't realise that that guy was possessed by Agent Smith earlier in the film?

      Because after 48 hours spent downloading the movie using BitTorrent, the picture quality was poor, sound tinny, size small and framerate jerky, and as a result he couldn't tell it was Smith?

      --

      --
      "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
    59. Re:The plan all along... by mrogers · · Score: 1

      The hackers have evil-looking electronic spikes stuck into their spinal columns. I guess their interface equipment is scavenged from the "pod farms", and the machines have no qualms about killing humans, so the equipment probably includes functions to kill the wearer when he/she dies in the simulation. Maybe they don't have the tools to build "safe" equipment?

    60. Re:The plan all along... by G-funk · · Score: 1

      yeah but it is such a cop out, it might surprise joe public but anyone who likes science fiction will be dissapointed

      Which is why everybody on /. is so damned annoyed with reloaded. It's either prison within a prison or both the matrix and "real world" are in an uber-matrix, a-la 13th floor.

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    61. Re:The plan all along... by iainl · · Score: 1

      Here's my interpretation, pretty similiar to yours.

      We know from The Animatrix (specifically World Record and Kid's Story) that its possible for some people to extract themselves from The Matrix without outside help. Logically, that kind of had to be the case anyway, otherwise no-one would rescue the first person out (there are whole issues about creation myths here, but thats another post).

      We know that the only strange thing Neo has done outside the Matrix is cause a bunch of machines to malfunction.

      So, what if Neo, though whatever meddling The Architect is referring to, can enter the Matrix through his own will, as well as leave it? The machines are wired in the whole time in order to communicate with each other - it seems to me that the most logical way for them to have been attacked is if Neo hit their connections.

      Again, this is something that we might see played out in Revolutions - if Neo can yank stuff out of the Matrix just by thinking about it then its going to stir up some serious fighting.

      --
      "I Know You Are But What Am I?"
    62. Re:The plan all along... by EpsCylonB · · Score: 1

      It's either prison within a prison or both the matrix and "real world" are in an uber-matrix, a-la 13th floor.

      Aren't those essentially the same tho ?, I mean you have to assume their is or was a real world at some point.

    63. Re:The plan all along... by Perky_Goth · · Score: 1

      "Whoa..."

      Man... Don't screw it for me ;)

    64. Re:The plan all along... by Perky_Goth · · Score: 1

      "Whoa!"

      Can't believe i missed it... damn. Thank you and the mods for this one.

    65. Re:The plan all along... by daveisoverlord · · Score: 1

      Lord, if I had mod points right now, I'd give them all to you and fog111.

      I think that the matrix-in-a-matrix is the easy answer and that's why everybody's jumping on it. I'm sick of seeing so many of those posts. Just because you've come up with something that fits the facts, doesn't mean it's right. I keep waiting for somebody to post the matrix-in-a-matrix line with the HL Menken sig: "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong."

      I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the machines know Neo has developed the ability to control them in the outside world and that's why the Architect so trying so hard to control Neo and have him rejoin the Matrix. They know Neo can stop them now.

      I agree with your analyses. There's too much time and imagery spent on differentiating the real world from the Matrix. So I guess proponents of that theory believe the second layer of the Matrix is one simulated in 2199 where lasers and anti-gravity and stuff has been invented. You can make it work if you keep inventing theories to match the facts.

      IMHO, the story's way too deep for the Brothers W to cop out with a matrix-in-a-matrix.

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      The perception of reality is more important than reality itself.
    66. Re:The plan all along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This may be obvious to some but why did Kernel Sanders give Neo the choice of the two doors...

      The problem is choice...

    67. Re:The plan all along... by iainl · · Score: 1

      "This may be obvious to some but why did Kernel Sanders give Neo the choice of the two doors...

      The problem is choice..."

      For the same reason the final Animatrix episode sees the humans trying to persuade a machine over to their side, presumably - someone who chooses to work for you (even if its because you gave them an uninformed choice) does a much better job than someone who feels they are forced to.

      --
      "I Know You Are But What Am I?"
    68. Re:The plan all along... by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

      But why would they need such a "lever"? They can wipe out the human race any time they want. (And yes, I've seen the Animatrix)

      I don't buy the whole "humans as power sources" idea at all. I believe the world of Zion is simply another layer of the simulation, a catchpocket for the rebels. I think the whole "evil machines sucking our energy" thing is a ruse, to keep the rebels occupied. The machines recognize that these people NEED to rebel against "the system", so they have provided them with a monstrous system to fight against.

      Why do I believe this? Three reasons:

      1) "Generating" energy from humans is nonsense. It's no more feasible than a perpetual motion machine. The laws of thermodynamics simply don't allow it. I'm positive the W bros. are aware of this. Also, the Architect indicates (in a vague fashion) that the machines can survive the extinction of the humans.

      2) Smith has transferred himself into the human Bane in Zion. How is it possible for a computer program to "possess" a flesh and blood brain? There is no precedent for this. However, if Bane is simply an avatar in a simulation, it makes perfect sense. Also, Bane cuts his hand rather deeply, in the next scene they draw attention to his hand again, and there is no sign of blood. They are subtly hinting (without explicitly showing) that he was able to heal himself.

      3) Neo stopping the sentinels. Impossible if he is flesh and blood. But if he's still in a simulation, and has finally realized that, he could easily do it. Notice how he immediately falls into a coma, diverting the attention away from what he did. Perhaps he's in a coma because he has woken up into the next "level"... which could be yet another simulation, or possibly actual reality. My one problem with this is Neo said "Something's different, I can feel them now." I have no explanation for that line.. what exactly has changed?

      Oh well.. there will be no definitive proof of what's really going on until Revolutions comes out; I am eagerly awaiting it. Thank goodness we don't have to wait 3 years! :)

      --
      "Mind, as manifested by the capacity to make choices, is to some extent present in every electron." -Freeman Dyson
  4. That's funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I could've sworn I was watching a DVD quality version a couple days before it came out. This must be some sort of typo.

    1. Re:That's funny... by flokemon · · Score: 1

      yeah i hear it's available in some markets in scotland...

    2. Re:That's funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think the Centropy copy was DVD quality, you need to get a new set of glasses. Although it was a high quality telesync, it was still a telesync.

    3. Re:That's funny... by Captain+Large+Face · · Score: 1

      Imagine my surprise when I was visiting my parents' house to discover a DVD (with case and all) of Matrix Reloaded sitting next to their television. They didn't even realise it was at the cinema, and then hence an obvious pirated DVD.

      Even funnier was that my mum thought it was total rubbish, and fell asleep halfway though it. Must be the first time I've ever agreed with my Mum on a film...

    4. Re:That's funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, there's a whole subculture that his argument would be taken seriously. I've even seen sample releases that have clips from all the popular releases so you can pick the one you like before spending the time to download it.

      It's you're complaining about how someone else wastes their time that is, in its self, a waste of time.

  5. Additional Content by GeckoFood · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the article:

    While both the VHS and DVD will be priced for sale to consumers, the DVD includes several bonus features that should boost sales, such as a behind-the-scenes look at how the freeway chase scene was crafted and shot and the humorous parody of "The Matrix Reloaded" that was featured on the 2003 MTV Movie Awards.

    The extra content, in this case anyway, might well be worth the investment in the DVD. Any word on "Easter Eggs" on this one like there was in the original??

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    1. Re:Additional Content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The extra content will be pirated on Kazaa just like the rest of the DVD. Remember to boycott the matrix and not buy any of this stuff.

    2. Re:Additional Content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      yes, let's boycott a product (completely legal action) and then obtain the copyright material through p2p networks (completely illegal action). if you want it, pay for it.

      and all because an actor harrassed the producers of a film because they wouldn't succumb to his greed.

      sorry, it doesn't work. crawl back in your hole.

    3. Re:Additional Content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when is purchasing a DVD an "investment"?

    4. Re:Additional Content by schon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Remember to boycott the matrix [boycottthematrix.com]

      Interesting - I thought that Tank was written out because the Watchkowskis came to their sense and realized that the guy who played him had the acting skills of a four-year-old suffering from ADD after drinking 10 litres of Jolt Cola.

      I had no idea the guy was such a boob.

      From the site:
      "In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, Chong claims he crashed a press junket, took food from WB production offices and verbally harrassed the Wachowskis via phone."

      So, let me get this straight - a no-talent hack asked for too much money - after they tell him they're not interested, he made verbal threats against the Watchkowskis, harrasses them, admits it on national television, then files a lawsuit against them for not giving in, and now he's looking for my sympathy?!?!?!

      Jebus, what color is the sky in this guy's world?

    5. Re:Additional Content by zackbar · · Score: 1

      Well, to be fair, the webite claims no affiliation with Marcus Chong himself.

      Dunno if it's true, but it would mean the mcat coalition (Marcus Chong As Tank Coalition) itself is asking for people to support the mcat coalition.

      Marcus himself may not be asking for anything.

    6. Re:Additional Content by zackbar · · Score: 1

      Oh crap.

      There goes my retirement.

      Wonder if it's too late to return all these things to the store.

    7. Re:Additional Content by MegaFur · · Score: 1

      Maybe the Wachoski's (sp?) were mean, but it might have bean in Marcus's best interest to just take the $250,000 deal that was offered.

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      Furry cows moo and decompress.
    8. Re:Additional Content by ntr0py · · Score: 3, Funny

      Jebus, what color is the sky in this guy's world?

      Likely a slight tint of green.

    9. Re:Additional Content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As seen on Fark 3 months ago.

    10. Re:Additional Content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, I can touch this money, feel and fondel it
      and yet I know it's not real.

      Guess what you're right it's not real . :-p

      Looks like Mr. Chong can't negoitate, has temper,
      can't stand by a deal that he obviously agreed to
      initially. Boo hoo hoo, sorry man you screwed yourself.

      In reading this site [boycottthematrix.com] it
      is painfully obvious that this a bit off. I really
      think there is much more to his whinning what
      this site depicts.

      Just my nickel

    11. Re:Additional Content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      the acting skills of a four-year-old suffering from ADD after drinking 10 litres of Jolt Cola.


      That's loco!

    12. Re:Additional Content by zackbar · · Score: 1

      Hey, I'm not defending the fool.

      He should have taken the deal and been happy. At worst, he would have had 250k in the bank and been seen as a mid-level character in a popular trilogy.

      As it is, he's pretty much ruined his career by his actions. Who's gonna hire him now?

      I am still moderately confused how the website claims he has a cult following. Even if he had an action figure, he didn't deserve one more than Switch or the others did. His character really wasn't that important.

    13. Re:Additional Content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jebus, what color is the sky in this guy's world?

      Scorched, but that might just be in another level of the matrix.

    14. Re:Additional Content by Oakey · · Score: 1

      Well, unless you count killing Cypher and preventing him from killing evetyone on the Neb unimportant, then no, I guess he wasn't important.

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      "Dre don't get as high as me.... I'm Cheech and Chong" - Snoop Dogg
    15. Re:Additional Content by zackbar · · Score: 1

      Did I say anything about him not being important?

      He had an important part, but he was still a mid-level character. He wasn't a bit part, but not in the same class as Neo and Trinity.

      Heck, the CAT was important. If the cat hadn't been there, Neo wouldn't have seen him twice and the group would have been trapped upstairs.

      Does this mean that the cat should get a contract for the other two movies too?

    16. Re:Additional Content by MegaFur · · Score: 1

      Hey, yeah, that's a good point. I wonder if the cat already has legal representation or not... (rubs hands eagerly) *I* shall represent the cat and take 80% of the cat's winnings (er... legal settlement) from the court case. :-)

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  6. huh? by el_salvador · · Score: 1, Funny

    dvd? is that like some fancy new divx format?

    1. Re:huh? by Chundra · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, it's a role playing game.

  7. Great... by Schezar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I can watch that rave/orgy in all its home-theatre glory. With slow-motion and freeze-frames, I'll bet I can get a good estimate of the true volume of saliva shown on screen.

    Even better, I can loop it and leave it on 24/7. I'm sure everyone in the apartment will love it!

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    1. Re:Great... by aardwolf204 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even better. Rip the DVD. Using VirtualDUB you can cut the scene out, then share it on Kazaa! I wonder how many people would even notice/miss it?

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    2. Re:Great... by nick_drake · · Score: 1

      I spewed water on my monitor when I read your comment. I love the sarcasm.

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      The Dude abides.
    3. Re:Great... by mbourgon · · Score: 1

      I think the MTV spoof did it best, when the two hosts get showered with sweat.

      [Together]: Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

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    4. Re:Great... by nick_drake · · Score: 3, Funny
      I remember seeing that scene at the theater and thinking "What the f*** was the point of all that?" I felt like I had wasted some of my life.

      Also, I was thinking, "Oh, okay. So all these people were 'saved' from the Matrix into dance party hell?"

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    5. Re:Great... by Pooh · · Score: 0

      Yeah, what's the deal with this scene who look like more of a hiphop videoclip where chicks and androgyne touch each others?

      Is hiphop/r&b a plague so propagated that all movies need to be infected?

      If I want to look meat-head 16 years old girl raver-wannabe slut who fake being drunk, I just need to look at ratemypictures.com or MuchMusic/MTV.

    6. Re:Great... by linuxlover · · Score: 1

      // I felt like I had wasted some of my life

      I felt like that during the entire movie!

    7. Re:Great... by MegaFur · · Score: 1

      I felt like I had wasted some of my life.

      You did waste some of your life--you posted on Slashdot! :-P

      ... oh no! I posted too! AAaaaaggghhh!

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    8. Re:Great... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      What I was thinking was that every time I've been to a party that was a sea of people, it was also a sea of boobies, whereas we saw what, two pairs of tits, and a couple more individual tatas from the side? Now we're talking about the last vestiges of humanity on what could very well be the last night of their lives throwing a huge rager, and no one is even topless? If they were trying to portray reality, they failed miserably.

      --
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    9. Re:Great... by Valar · · Score: 1

      It's this whole thing about humanistic hedonism. It shows that humanity has returned to it's primitive tribal roots in response to the machines.... or at least IMHO.

    10. Re:Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks. Actually, that sounds pretty good. I hadn't thought of that. Makes me feel a BIT better anyway having sat through it, with that frame of mind.

  8. Quicker than the Animatrix by GothChip · · Score: 1

    That's better than then Animatrix - which was released on DVD a few weeks after Matrix Reloaded came out in the UK.

  9. New branding strategy by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Soon they will no longer just come in red and blue pills, but a variety of fruity flavors! But seriously, it's amazing how carefully people market products these days. They've got the video game tie-in (which sold well despite poor reviews and saved the publisher), the online game in the works, comics, and the obligitory action figures.

    1. Re:New branding strategy by TopShelf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm surprised they haven't come out with Red & Blue Pills already. Several months ago I toured the Jelly Belly warehouse in Wisconsin. They've put out those many-flavored beans from Harry Potter, so they'd make a natural fit for a Matrix deal...

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    2. Re:New branding strategy by LouisZepher · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it's a small favor to society by limiting the marketing venue for a over-hyped film.

      Then again, I used to think that Cracker-Jack and New Line Cinema could've gotten together with a Lord of the Rings sorta thing and really make a killing.

    3. Re:New branding strategy by Vargasan · · Score: 1

      May the Schwartz be with you.

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    4. Re:New branding strategy by dfay · · Score: 1


      Yes, and the Red pill should taste like protein-amino acid goo, and the Blue pill should taste like that steak that Cipher bites into as he's talking to Agent Smith.

      Which raises the question, what if instead of choosing, Neo had just taken 3 of each flavor and eaten them at once? With the jelly bellies, you could find out. :)

    5. Re:New branding strategy by Hank+Scorpio · · Score: 1

      For the opening of The Matrix Reloaded, I hosted a Matrix party at my place. For refreshments, I had one bowl of cherry Jelly Bellys and one bowl of blueberry Jelly Bellys. Nobody touched the blueberry ones. :)

    6. Re:New branding strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's pretty damned lamev

    7. Re:New branding strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you're right. It's almost as lame as posting anonymously to say someone is lame, and then spelling "lame" wrong. Almost.

  10. I wonder... by borgdows · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...does the Matrix contain any SCO code ??

    1. Re:I wonder... by arcanumas · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't know about SCO but i suspect that there is a good deal of Microsoft code. This is evident from the Animatrix where one of the features tells the story of a glitch in the Matrix.
      I somehow feel happy it does not run Linux. We would never escape.

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    2. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for your support, we're investigating right now. -- Darl McBride

    3. Re:I wonder... by aardwolf204 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Matrix runs on NT4, Duh! Why else do you think it keeps reloading?

      Theres a KB Article on it:

      The information in this article applies to:
      Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 for Matrix
      Microsoft Windows for Matrix 3.11
      Microsoft Windows Matrix 95

      SYMPTOMS
      Matrix reloads

      CAUSE
      Neo chooses wrong door

      RESOLUTION
      To work around these errors, rename the file door2.mtx to door1.mtx, or copy the door2.mtx file to another location. You may also be able to work around these errors if you remove unnecessary files from the root directory.

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    4. Re:I wonder... by Xeth · · Score: 1

      Sure, where else would they get the ability to use so many processors in parallel, if not stealing it from SCO?

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    5. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably. Trinity uses "nmap" in the matrix reloaded so she's probably running it on some version of *nix, and if we are to believe SCO, almost every unix-like operating system has stolen their code. SCO code in *nix, *nix in the Matrix: SCO code in the Matrix.

    6. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes but SCO programs have since been eating by other rogue programs.

    7. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, someone must re-do this in HTML so that it looks exactly like the KB articles on microsoft's site =)

    8. Re:I wonder... by guido1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, The Matrix runs on XP, as shown at this site.

      (English) download links page here.

    9. Re:I wonder... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Holy crap. Now that is well worth the download!

    10. Re:I wonder... by aardwolf204 · · Score: 1

      I tried my best to get it right in HTML, but without CSS or FONT tags its kinda a bitch.

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    11. Re:I wonder... by Str8Dog · · Score: 2, Funny

      I was totally inspired by this post.

      http://www.str8dog.com/matrixkb/

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    12. Re:I wonder... by sharkey · · Score: 1
      You may also be able to work around these errors if you remove unnecessary files from the root directory.

      What is the root directory? Is it in folder in My Documents or My Network Places? I writed root directory into Logon and it said it was an invalid. Why is it sick? Did Trinity kick it? I thought she was dead. This root directory sound awful important, would somebody tell me what Windows its in? Is it in MSN folder or Internet Express?

      Please tell me so I save Neo!

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  11. Why wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    when you can download prematurely via bit torrent?

    1. Re:Why wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last time I went to check on that webpage, I expected to see a page with bittorrent links...
      I saw true horror that day...

      *shiver*

      On the front page, there was a picture of this woman positioned upsidedown, with a stream of liquid shit flying from the a-hole like a fountain over her, it was the most disgusting thing I had EVER seen.

      Never again, I will NEVER click on a .cx link again.

  12. The Domimatrix by Jack+Comics · · Score: 5, Funny

    Personally, I'm waiting for the fourth Matrix movie, "The Domimatrix." It stars a whip-wielding Carrie Ann Moss. She already has the leather part down. I figure that movie would make more sense than "Matrix Reloaded," and would also be more entertaining.

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    1. Re:The Domimatrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are thinking of "Oblivion 2: Whiplash". Look it up, I got my copy for $2.

    2. Re:The Domimatrix by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 1

      That's latex, dude. Think hot, sweaty, and sticky.
      -russ

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    3. Re:The Domimatrix by kyz · · Score: 1

      Well, given that Larry Wachowski's already dating a dominatrix, it wouldn't be too hard to dream up a few scenes.

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    4. Re:The Domimatrix by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's latex, dude. Think hot, sweaty, and sticky.

      I did think hot, sweaty, and sticky Carrie Ann Moss.

      Now it's My Pants Reloaded.

    5. Re:The Domimatrix by mcp33p4n75 · · Score: 1

      Was I the only one that thought Carrie Ann looked great in M1, but old in Reloaded? Maybe she'll be the new Oracle in Revolutions. Then the cryptkeeper can replace her in Trinity's role. I bet no one would notice!

    6. Re:The Domimatrix by jafac · · Score: 1

      bah! Why does the press always assume that if a guy likes to be submissive in the bedroom, that he's gay?

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    7. Re:The Domimatrix by kyz · · Score: 1
      bah! Why do /.ers always assume that M2F transsexuals are gay? They're very unlike gay men, and far more like straight women.


      BTW: cross-dressing in public is a good sign that you're at least a flamboyant transvestite, if not actually a transsexual -- unless, of course, you're Trey Parker and Matt Stone spoofing Jennifer Lopez and Gwyneth Paltrow at the Oscars :)

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    8. Re:The Domimatrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Carry On Moss seriously needs to put on a little bit of weight. Unfortunately, if she did, she'd probably look like a man.

  13. How is early bad? by thesiltman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can't imagine why they wouldn't come out with it before Revolutions. There has to be some people who missed it in the theater, and others will want to refresh their memory (or remember where they were left hanging...)

    1. Re:How is early bad? by Prior+Restraint · · Score: 1

      The only issue I can think of is that a popular movie like this might still be in the second-run theaters when the DVD arrives.

    2. Re:How is early bad? by rokzy · · Score: 0

      I wonder if Revolutions will have a cheesy "previosuly on The Matrix.... [various clips including 'I'm not letting go, I love you too damn much']

    3. Re:How is early bad? by myLobster · · Score: 1


      Given the fact that there was no recapping for non initiates at the start of Reloaded, I think the same will apply to Revolutions.

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    4. Re:How is early bad? by Xandar01 · · Score: 1

      Given the fact that the first Matrix didn't end in a Happy Days "To be continued..." sort of way it is probable that Revolutions could start out with some cheesy "previously on" type of crap.

      With that stupid "to be continued" ending I think Matrix may have jumped the shark.

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    5. Re:How is early bad? by myLobster · · Score: 1

      Given the fact that the first Matrix didn't end in a Happy Days "To be continued..." sort of way it is probable that Revolutions could start out with some cheesy "previously on" type of crap.

      Point taken Xandar01, and of course the Watchowski brothers hadn't considered that they could spin the first movie into a trilogy at that point ;)

      *ducks for cover*

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  14. Good! by gerf · · Score: 5, Funny

    And with the anonymous Kazaa Lite/++ up, that's just enough time for me to download a divx rip without anyone knowing! Whoops, did i post that?! /runs

    j/k MPAA, it's meant to be modded Funny, not Informative!

    1. Re:Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i've already downloaded a DVD image from Usenet.

      :-p

    2. Re:Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make me a torrent?

    3. Re:Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I watched it in the theater, then downloaded a copy. I didn't watch the copy, deleted it.

  15. Disgusting by agent+dero · · Score: 1

    Does this strike anybody as disgusting, or odd.

    First off, I understand why them did the two movies together, to cut costs.
    But now it just seems like conveyor belted movies, no more "art"

    Which is what I thought film was supposed to be, an art. I don't believe in art you can just pump out on a regular basis (With massive advertising campaigns)

    Hollywood has doing this for a while, so they'll probably turn into something like the RIAA sueing DivX folks after they fail to reap massive returns on bad movies.

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    1. Re:Disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I don't believe in art you can just pump out on a regular basis

      Comics? TV? The works of Dickens?

      If it makes you feel better, wait a year before watching it. That way everyone wins.

    2. Re:Disgusting by Jad+LaFields · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Since when was film supposed to be art? It can be art, you can decide to only watch 'art' films, but for others of us, we like the occaisional popcorn film. Nothing wrong with that. It's like saying cars are supposed to be sports cars.

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    3. Re:Disgusting by Carbonite · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Does this strike anybody as disgusting, or odd.

      No, not really. The Wachowskis came up with a story that would take 4-5 hours of screen time. They had several choices:

      - Make one movie with a running time of 4-5 hours. This would never be accepted by theaters or Warner Bros.

      - Cut half of the script, leaving one standard length film. No artist would want half of their work to be thrown out.

      - Make two films, each of standard length. This obviously was the preferred choice.

      Now, given that two movies were going to be made based on one plot, it made sense to film them together. If you prefer to think of it as one movie with a six month intermission, feel free.

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    4. Re:Disgusting by lederhosen · · Score: 1

      That still does not explain why they did not cut
      out the first half houre. It was *bad* and
      had *no* meaning

    5. Re:Disgusting by jmb-d · · Score: 1

      Let's add another important factor to the list of reasons to make parts 2 & 3 at the same time:

      - Lessens the chance that an actor in a key role will die before the trilogy is complete

      'Twould suck mightily if one of the main characters' face had to be pasted onto a body doulbe because s/he kicked off before the movie was finished. Sure, it would be done digitally (instead of just a cardboard cutout face as was done in at least one scene in Game of Death).

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    6. Re:Disgusting by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

      Twould suck mightily if one of the main characters' face had to be pasted onto a body doulbe because s/he kicked off before the movie was finished.

      Kind of like how Gloria Foster, the Oracle, kicked the bucket? I think they must have known her health was declining (died of diabetes complications) as the park scene in Reloaded must have been filmed a loooooong time ago, as she died in Sept 2001. Its too bad, I would have liked to have seen her in more films.

    7. Re:Disgusting by iainl · · Score: 1

      "I don't believe in art you can just pump out on a regular basis"

      Charles Dickens originally published most of his novels a chapter at a time in magazines. Does this mean that there is no art in Great Expectations?

      Does the fact that I need to go back to the concert hall the following night to hear the second part of Wagner's Ring cycle mean that his music has no art?

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  16. Best time to do it.. by tevenson · · Score: 1

    This makes perfect sense. Because Reloaded will probably be all but out of the theaters by the time Revolutions comes out. Now people (not ./ users, obviously) who want to watch Reloaded to brush themselves up on the story have to go buy/rent the DVD.

    I can hear the cash registers right now...

  17. DVD by skidrowe · · Score: 2, Funny

    It'll just be made out of silly putty, with a small hair-less child saying "There is no DVD" as it flops in your hand...to which you'll respond "Woah"

  18. Clue me in by Nick+of+NSTime · · Score: 3, Funny

    What is the Matrix?

    1. Re:Clue me in by Ann+Coulter · · Score: 5, Funny

      It is an array of coefficients repersenting a set of linear transformations.

    2. Re:Clue me in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Morpheus: The Matrix is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

      Tank: So what do you need? Besides a miracle.
      Neo: Guns. Lots of guns.

      If this doesn't answer your question, nothing will ;)

    3. Re:Clue me in by Surak · · Score: 1

      What is the Matrix?

      As soon as I figure that out, I'll let you know. The Wachowski Brothers tend to be rather cryptic." ;)

    4. Re:Clue me in by cvas · · Score: 3, Funny

      Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.

    5. Re:Clue me in by Stradenko · · Score: 2, Informative

      From Jargon File (4.3.0, 30 APR 2001) :

      Matrix n. [FidoNet] 1. What the Opus BBS software and sysops call
      FidoNet. 2. Fanciful term for a cyberspace expected to emerge from
      current networking experiments (see the network). The name of the
      rather good 1999 cypherpunk movie "The Matrix" played on this sense,
      which however had been established for years before. 3. The totality of
      present-day computer networks (popularized in this sense by John
      Quarterman; rare outside academic literature).

    6. Re:Clue me in by ceejayoz · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.

      Of course, 10 minutes later, Morpheus tells Neo what the Matrix is. Heh...

    7. Re:Clue me in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's power is only exceeded by it's mystery.

      Zoltan.

    8. Re:Clue me in by pnaro · · Score: 1

      So the Matrix is really Microsoft blinding us from the truth.

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    9. Re:Clue me in by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's the thing Leonard Nimoy and Orson Welles were after in the Transformers movie.

    10. Re:Clue me in by Speare · · Score: 1

      It is an array of coefficients repersenting a set of linear transformations.

      While I assume you were being glib in offering the mathematical definition, I think it's closer to the origin of that cyberpunk word than you may realize.

      Rene Descartes asked, what if the world were an illusion? He discovered that unlike his physical senses, he can't be deceived from his own existence. "I think, therefore, I am." The cyberpunk concept of the Matrix is the massive rendering of a world of simulated objects which must follow the chosen rules. The Wachowski Brothers' movie world shows we live in exactly that kind of simulation, blissfully unaware of the theatrics.

      If some mathematical physical model like String Theory were to correctly define our universe in (for example) eleven dimensions, then truly the real universe could just be represented with a massive matrix: eleven columns (unknowns) by rows representing any number of defined particles. Churn through the interactions for a given delta time, and you get an approximation of the forward integration of the behavior of all of those particles. Of course, the fictional Matrix has the extra issues of bending the rules and integrating human neural interfaces into the mix.

      I like the computer-rendered Animatrix 'Last Flight of the Osiris'-- was that put together by the Final Fantasy movie team?

      Yeah, and for the moderators, Matrix Determinant, Matrix Convoluted, Matrix Decomposed, Matrix Unraveled.

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    11. Re:Clue me in by PoorCoder · · Score: 1
      What is the Matrix? Yeah, you know Neo... He is powered by Linux and the Agent Smith is powered by Microsoft. Agent Smith tried to act like Bill Gate. Neo tried to... Well, you better watch the movie SOON!

      (Hey Slashdot editors... plz carrect my grammer or spalling! Thqnk ya.)

    12. Re:Clue me in by The+Mayor · · Score: 1
      Churn through the interactions for a given delta time, and you get an approximation of the forward integration of the behavior of all of those particles
      Hmmm. I don't think so. There is an entire body of math devoted to functions that are determinant but not predictable. That is, given a set of inputs, one and only one output is possible. However, if you are off with one of the inputs by a minute amount, the output will be off by a large amount. These functions are known as fractals.

      Of course, this assumes that the 11 dimensional world is determinant. Quantum physics predicts the world is not determinant. =
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    13. Re:Clue me in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I remember that...

      Morpheus: "You can take the blue pill, and go back to your regular life, or you can take the red pill, and find out that the Matrix is a badly plotted movie with cool action scenes."

      I'm pretty sure it was something like that.

      And I know what you're thinking: "Why, oh why, didn't I take the frickin' blue pill."

    14. Re:Clue me in by SQKBB · · Score: 1

      I like the computer-rendered Animatrix 'Last Flight of the Osiris'-- was that put together by the Final Fantasy movie team?

      As shown here, yes, they were done by the same team. I had also read somewhere, but cannot now find a link, that said they used the same model for the lead female in Osiris that they used for the one in FF.

    15. Re:Clue me in by RFC959 · · Score: 1
      Actually, the origin of the word "matrix" is the Latin word "mater", or "mother". (Which kind of puts a weird Freudian twist on the movie, but I doubt that's what the Wachowskis were thinking.) How the word acquired its mathematical sense, I have no idea, unless it comes from a general sense of "something containing something else".

      Oh, and at least they didn't use "Matrix Dot". *g*

    16. Re:Clue me in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you may be confused

    17. Re:Clue me in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Keanu takes the blue pill, he ends up in a bad surfing/cop movie.

    18. Re:Clue me in by sharkey · · Score: 1
      You have to see it for yourself.

      And pay $8.50 US to do so.

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  19. This is a good thing by mikehilly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe if I watch the first two at home, then that same day go watch the third one at the movies, it will all make sense.

    Probably not, but who cares?

  20. fresh ideas by geekmetal · · Score: 1
    "I don't believe it will affect ticket sales in any negative way," said Ron Sanders, Warner Home Video's domestic executive vp and general manager. "In fact, I believe that the home video release of 'Reloaded' will boost ticket sales of 'Revolutions.' "

    Its nice to see few people move away from the hard and fast rules that the entertainment industry lives by.

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    1. Re:fresh ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To which rules are you referring?

  21. LOTR Release by DeadBugs · · Score: 1

    "(although LotR had a special edition released only a few weeks before TTT)"

    LOTR: The Two Towers Special Edition DVD - 8/26
    LOTR: The Two Towers Extended Edition DVD - 11/18

    LOTR: Return Of The King 12/17 Theatrical Release

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    1. Re:LOTR Release by Dynedain · · Score: 1

      Actually, LOTR:ROTK has been delayed until May 2004 so they can finish the CG work on it.

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    2. Re:LOTR Release by jendave · · Score: 1

      No it hasn't. ROTK is still scheduled to come out in Dec of 2003. You may want to check the date of the Slashdot post you linked to...

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    3. Re:LOTR Release by Dynedain · · Score: 1

      i know ;p

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  22. The Release by Waab · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is more noteworthy because the DVD is being released less than 6 months after the movie first hit the theaters. That's insanely fast. Of course, so is releasing the next movie in the series without a gap of a at least a year.

    But, as the editor pointed out, movies in the LotR series have had DVD releases just prior to the theatrical release of the next film.

    1. Re:The Release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      This is more noteworthy because the DVD is being released less than 6 months after the movie first hit the theaters.

      Well then, what about Daredevil?
      Theatrical release: Feb 9, 2003
      DVD release: Jul 29, 2003

      This is also noteworthy?

    2. Re:The Release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't the MPAA try to claim that the reason DVD region controls are needed in the first place, is that movie studios simply can't move this quickly?

    3. Re:The Release by Decaffeinated+Jedi · · Score: 3, Funny
      That's nothing! How about the Bruce Willis flick, Tears of the Sun?

      Theatrical release: Mar 7, 2003
      Video release: Jun 10, 2003

      You'd practically have to go direct-to-video to beat that.

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    4. Re:The Release by unorthod0x · · Score: 1

      Y'all're freaks: This one is SO redundant..

      /.: a+b=c, d=d

      someguy: This is more noteworthy because c-b=a, and d still equals d

      /. mods: +++Insightful!! +Interesting!!

    5. Re:The Release by MisterFancypants · · Score: 1

      Not really. One qualifier here is that the movie did very well at the box office. For turkeys like Daredevil and Tears of the Sun, it isn't that uncommon to rush them out to video to try to recoup at least some of the filmmaking expenses without having to do a whole new marketing push.

    6. Re:The Release by babbage · · Score: 1
      This is more noteworthy because the DVD is being released less than 6 months after the movie first hit the theaters.

      I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that the movie more or less tanked in theatres. It was supposed to be the hit of the summer, and yet I can already go down to the second-run theatre and see it for a three dollar matinee.

      If it had done better in the box office, that might have been justification to hold off, but it didn't -- a small handful of people were willing to pay for it at the threatre, and that small handful is going to be asked to pay for it again on DVD before being asked to pay for the third one in theatres (and then the third one on DVD, then them all in a box set, then them all in a "special edition" box set.

      Who says you can't get blood from a stone?

      Personally, even if I went to see it at that dollar theatre, I'm pretty sure I'd leave feeling like some jerk just stole a dollar from me...

    7. Re:The Release by Matrix272 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that the movie more or less tanked in theatres.

      Tanked? It's number 19 on the ALL-TIME BOX OFFICE with over $270,000,000, not including overseas. Worldwide, before all is said and done, it'll probably make $600,000,000. Hell, if that's doing terribly, sign me up.

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    8. Re:The Release by babbage · · Score: 2, Interesting
      In the first week. I seem to remember it falling off pretty quickly after that. At the price of tickets these days, a seemingly big number doesn't translate into as many viewers as it used to, and as expensive as the production & marketing of a big modern summer movie is, I bet it won't be nearly as profitable as, say, "A Mighty Wind".

      Not that profit is everything of course, but in this case I think there's a lot to be said for the smaller, more nuanced, and yes probably more profitable movie than the big summer "tits & explosions" kind of movie like Matrix or XXX.

      YMMV of course, but then given your username, you might be slightly biased... :-)

    9. Re:The Release by Matrix272 · · Score: 1

      In the first week. I seem to remember it falling off pretty quickly after that. At the price of tickets these days, a seemingly big number doesn't translate into as many viewers as it used to, and as expensive as the production & marketing of a big modern summer movie is, I bet it won't be nearly as profitable as, say, "A Mighty Wind".

      You are correct. It feel over 50% in the second week, and the third week... just like every movie that's come out this summer and opened at #1. I can't find a website that references the adjusted-dollar list of the top movies, but I do know Matrix Reloaded is in the top 75, at the very least. I also found out that it's already hit $700,000,000 worldwide... it's currently #13 on the all-time actual dollar amounts.

      Not that profit is everything of course, but in this case I think there's a lot to be said for the smaller, more nuanced, and yes probably more profitable movie than the big summer "tits & explosions" kind of movie like Matrix or XXX.

      I agree, as long as they're worthwhile. I enjoyed My Big Fat Greek Wedding just as much as almost everyone else did... because it was well-done, and didn't feel like a bottom-rung budget movie. In my opinion, most movies that don't have much of a budget LOOK like they don't have much of a budget. When I watch a movie and think "Hey, I know a friend who did that same shot with his $200 digital camera", it takes me out of the movie experience, and I don't enjoy it as much... but there are low-budget exceptions.

      Besides, what's wrong with tits and explosions (besides Charlie's Angels 2)?

      YMMV of course, but then given your username, you might be slightly biased... :-)

      Well, yeah... of course there's always THAT...

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    10. Re:The Release by bitrate · · Score: 1
      If you want to talk about an insanely fast release from the theatres, that lame-ass American Idol-fest "From Justin to Kelly" will be available on DVD just 68 days after its theatre debut.

      I'm surprised they feel that the same public who was so unwilling to drop $10 on that dreck will be more than happy to blow $20 on it as well.

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    11. Re:The Release by RFC959 · · Score: 1

      One small clarification: those "all-time box office" lists are always slanted toward newer films, because they're not adjusted for inflation. The movie industry prefers it this way, because this way they get to announce a new highest-grossing movie every few years. ISTR that if they adjusted for inflation, Gone With The Wind would still stomp all over everything else, which would be pretty embarrassing for the movie industry, since it implies they haven't made anything with that much appeal in the last 64 years.

      Interestingly enough, I see that the gross for M:R solidly beats M1, at about $272M vs. $171M. Budget for M1 is listed at $63M vs. $127M for M:R, though, so although M:R still netted more, it wasn't as good of a return on investment.

    12. Re:The Release by Matrix272 · · Score: 1

      Gone With The Wind would still stomp all over everything else, which would be pretty embarrassing for the movie industry, since it implies they haven't made anything with that much appeal in the last 64 years.

      Sorta, yeah... When Gone with the Wind came out, VCR's and DVD players didn't exist, so if you wanted to watch it, you had to go to the theater, which counted towards its box office total. If you add Titanic's DVD sales and rentals in, along with worldwide box office, it "stomps" Gone With the Wind pretty handily.

      Interestingly enough, I see that the gross for M:R solidly beats M1, at about $272M vs. $171M. Budget for M1 is listed at $63M vs. $127M for M:R, though, so although M:R still netted more, it wasn't as good of a return on investment.

      Yes... I must be pissing your point. $272m - $127m = $145m profit for M:R. $171m - $63m = $108m profit for Matrix. However, M:R is still in theaters, and hasn't been released to video yet. The Matrix was the highest-selling DVD of all-time, until relatively recently (I think Shrek was the first one to beat it, but it might have been something else). M:R will probably also make a good chunk of change on DVD and VHS purchases. The Matrix made an additional $100m on rentals... so M:R has already made back the full budget of both Matrix Reloaded, and Revolutions, just in domestic box office, not counting rentals, DVD and VHS sales, or world-wide box office.

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  23. Will Boost Sales by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 1

    I was expecting them to do this all along for marketing purposes. It doesn't take a lot to figure out that a fast selling DVD will boost the market for any sequels. The first Matrix movie is like this, in fact. The movie didn't gross that much at the theaters when you compare it to the DVD sales. I don't have exact numbers, but a quick Google search should bring them up. Obviously the DVD sales pushed the huge release of Reloaded in the theaters. If it worked once for them, why wouldn't they try it again?

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  24. This is good news.... by phorm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    for those who haven't watched the movie in theatre yet. After explaining the "to be continued" ending to a friend, he mentioned he wouldn't be watching the movie in theatre.

    I was surprised, and wondered if he would really be turned off watching the movie entirely because of the ending - however his plan is to get the DVD, and watch it the day before Revolutions.

    Sounds like a good deal for those who haven't seen "Reloaded" yet, as you can see both movies at about the same time if you grab the DVD.

    1. Re:This is good news.... by dnoyeb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree totally. To be continued is the cheapest most unprofessional ending ever. Its crap.

      A good story has resolution. A soap does not. That ended like a soap and resolved NONE of the issues it brought up. It did not advance the story. I was NOT pleased. In fact I was very disappointed. They put too much money into frills and not enough into the fundamentals.

    2. Re:This is good news.... by ErikTheRed · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sounds like a good deal for those who haven't seen "Reloaded" yet, as you can see both movies at about the same time if you grab the DVD.

      Oh yeah, /. is just overflowing with people who haven't seen "Reloaded". 15 times. In the last week.
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    3. Re:This is good news.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That ended like a soap and resolved NONE of the issues it brought up. It did not advance the story. I was NOT pleased.

      You are NOT very observant, then.

      Here's how it worked. The Whatchamacallit Brothers went to Village Roadshow/WB and said, "Here's our script. It's 300 pages long."

      VR/WB said, "Great. Love it. Cut 180 pages."

      TWB said, "Uh... we'd rather not. How about we make a 5-hour movie instead and release it with an intermission?"

      VR/WB said, "Uh... we'd rather not. How about you make two movies?"

      TWB said, "Uh... we'd rather not. How about we make one 5-hour movie and split it down the middle, release 'em six months apart?"

      VR/WB said, "How much money will this make us?"

      TWB said, "Billions."

      VR/WB said, "Okie-dokie."

      As a result "The Burly Man," the sequel to "The Matrix," is a five-hour movie that's been split right down the middle (not especially at the best place, either) to turn it into two 2-1/2 hour movies.

      You watched the first half, got up, and went home. And here you are, bitching about resolution.

    4. Re:This is good news.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to nitpick but it actually says "To Be Concluded" due to the fact that it's 1 film in two halves, much like Kill Bill will be. It was written as 1 film, shot as 1 film and then cut in half to help the distributors (films above 2.5 hours are not good financially as they reduce the number of performances per day and hence the number of bums on seats of paying customers)

      It's different from two separate self-contained sequels and I think you'll find that the "boring" beginning may have more resonance in the context of a 5 hour Reloaded/Revolutions sitting.

    5. Re:This is good news.... by bucky0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not to troll, but how was the ending to Fellowship of the Ring any different? The action had an abrupt end with no resolution. The only difference is that they went straight to the credits instead of to a "To be concluded..." banner.

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    6. Re:This is good news.... by BTWR · · Score: 2, Funny

      To be continued is the cheapest most unprofessional ending ever

      Oh no you didn't... you did not just insult my favorite movie EVER... Back to the Future!

    7. Re:This is good news.... by kendric · · Score: 1

      I have not seen it yet.

      I live in a small town, about 100 km from any city, and about 300 km from a real city (ie >5000). Our theater is finally getting the matrix reloaded in two days, and I am dying to see it. I am now contemplating not going, but buy the DVD and go and see the movie about ten minutes later. Besides, I have a number of friends who haven't seen any of the matrix movies - they absolutley have Reeves, and refuse to support him in any way.

    8. Re:This is good news.... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The only difference is that everyone who cares has already read the holy trilogy through about ten times. Also the fate of the world didn't hang in the balance right then, just a couple of hobbits. (As Frodo and Samwise were already on their way, and out of danger for the moment.)

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    9. Re:This is good news.... by milkman_matt · · Score: 1
      I agree totally. To be continued is the cheapest most unprofessional ending ever. Its crap.

      Yeah.. but I remember reading somewhere that they wanted Reloaded and Revolutions to be one movie.. that they didn't ever plan on resolving the issues brought forth in Reloaded until the next movie, because the movie would have been too long. They didn't want Reloaded to be 3+ hours long so they just decided to carry it over into Revolutions using the "to be continued" ending. ...I could be wrong, but I don't think they were using it as a copout...

      -matt

    10. Re:This is good news.... by el-spectre · · Score: 1

      Exactly... this is of course how the book ended, and so the producers are forgiven :)

      I don't quite know why everyone is so mad about the cliffhanger in reloaded... It was made VERY well known that it was a cliffhanger weeks beforehand, and I don't have any problem with such a move. If there were 5 years between movies, or was not announced, it would have been annoying.

      My only bitch is the 'bum dum bummmmmm' stinger at the end. Was this really necessary? I'd rather have had some cool fade to the scrolling matrix code and then credits.

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    11. Re:This is good news.... by tuber · · Score: 1

      Strange, I seem to remember paying full price for my ticket to "half a movie".

    12. Re:This is good news.... by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

      As a result "The Burly Man," the sequel to "The Matrix," is a five-hour movie that's been split right down the middle (not especially at the best place, either) to turn it into two 2-1/2 hour movies.

      Kill Bill, Tarentino's new movie, is about 3 hours long and is being edited into 2 films.

    13. Re:This is good news.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      15 times. In the last week.

      Naked.

    14. Re:This is good news.... by The+Grassy+Knoll · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen it either. The plot sounds like a load of sixth-form philosophising dressed up in pretentious twaddle, hanging on to some great special effects for dear life.

      Rob

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  25. Makes sense to me by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 5, Informative


    Seems like the logical thing to do. Release a DVD of the last movie, getting the Matrix franchise back in people's minds. People can watch Reloaded to refresh their memories on the plot so far before going to see Revolutions. A buzz builds in anticipation of the upcoming theatrical release.

    It's just "strategized marketechture" at work.

  26. Think it twice by cniebla · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Why bother to buy this DVD? You could wait a little longer and have the "Ultra-Special Gazillion-DVD Bundle-Bonanza" with all the bells and whistles, for a discount, a little after the release of the final installment of the Matrix saga (or any other saga).

    Its plain stupid to be on a rush and go get the movies in separated DVDs, you'll end with less features, needing to sale them on E-Bay just to buy the final-special-edition.

    A shame...

    1. Re:Think it twice by fr0dicus · · Score: 1

      Because I only care about the film, and I want to see it on DVD ASAP. Fall for the pointless extras later if you want, but I won't.

    2. Re:Think it twice by Vandil+X · · Score: 1

      While the inevitable Matrix Ultimate Boxed Edition will probably come out long after the third Matrix movie is released on DVD, at least Warner Brothers isn't double- and triple-dipping to the extremes of New Line Cinema with the "Lord of the Rings" DVD releases. (Who wants to bet that more than one ultimate DVD boxed set of all 3 Ring films gets released in 2004/2005?)

      Fact is, some people are into DVD extras, some are not. Those who like the Matrix movies but may/may not really care about bonus features (and posters/figures/what-you-will) will buy the single releases. They will buy the movies they like, and move on. Hardcore Matrix fans will almost certainly buy the inevitable boxed set, perhaps in addition to the single releases, so as to have all the extras.

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    3. Re:Think it twice by Artifex · · Score: 1
      Its plain stupid to be on a rush and go get the movies in separated DVDs, you'll end with less features, needing to sale them on E-Bay just to buy the final-special-edition.


      This is why I stopped buying Harry Potter books. I got a set of the first 3 volumes in one of the almost-free book club deals. Of course, they won't package up the second three (four) separately later, and if I bought any more today anyway I would end up with a box set and two loose books. So I'll probably just hold off on reading the rest of the series until they all come out, then give away this set to the local non-religious orphanage.

      I challenge everyone to hold off on buying all the Matrix DVDs until the end, as well. Speaking of which, I have the first DVD, which I bought for the landmark effects, but have no desire to complete the series (or even see the second film). I'm more tempted to buy the Harry Potter movie DVDs as they come out, but you've reminded me that I shouldn't. At least I didn't buy any Lord of the Rings DVDs yet. :)
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  27. Saw it last night and was wondering about the dvd by tstoneman · · Score: 1

    Was that my choice or was I destined to see it last night? I'm glad I didn't have to wait too long to get my answer.

    It was a great movie. I'm usually a harsh critic, but this movie I liked and the action scenes were simply awesome. I even liked all the "choice vs destiny" talk although they did lay it on too thick at some times.

  28. In a theatre, somewhere by zr-rifle · · Score: 0

    Spectator 1: I just had ... a small deja vu... Spectator 2: They must have changed something in Matrix: Revolution! --- 1000 scenes of kung-fu fighting, wutang swordfighting, akimbo uzi shooting, neo and trinity lovemaking, later spectator 1: Hmm... I guess not...

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  29. build up the hype machine by BigBir3d · · Score: 1

    I'm sure they are a bit embarrassed with Finding Nemo (5/30 release) handing them their lunch to the tune of $18,000,000 after being in theaters for 2 fewer weeks (MR 5/15 release).

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/vs-summer0 3.htm

    1. Re:build up the hype machine by Darth_brooks · · Score: 1

      You're forgetting something.

      Weekend totals for the year.

      Bruce almighty was kicking Neo's ass for the two weeks before nemo came out.

      They've had their tails handed to them first by Jim Carry in a throwaway vehicle flick, then an Animated fish in a rush job, product tie in film that was easily the worst Pixar flick to date.

      Neo's the one alright. One as in the number of weeks reloaded spent on top of the earnings chart.

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    2. Re:build up the hype machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So your saying they should be ashamed their movie only made $273 millon while Nemo (a great movie BTW) made $291 millon? Why must reloaded make more than Nemo? Nemo took five weeks to make more than Matrix Reloaded. Lets see if the Hulk or T3 is still around in five weeks!

      Maybe the problem is in your head?

    3. Re:build up the hype machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      G-Rated blockbusters do better than R-Rated ones ... Film at 11.

    4. Re:build up the hype machine by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Who cares how much money it made? I want to see the number of tickets sold for each movie. Tabulating total ticket prices is irrelevant as there are so many different price points for tickets (matinee, weekend, cheap night, regular, adult, child, senior, youth, etc).

      The only metric worth tracking is number of tickets sold. Yet no one ever tracks them.

    5. Re:build up the hype machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think maybe the studios don't want people to know that a $200,000,000 gross means that there were only 20-25 nillion tickets sold? And 5-10% of those are repeat customers, so that maybe 18-22.5 million people saw one of the "blockbuster" movies of the season? That translates to what... 7-8% of the US population saw it in theaters? Not the numbers of old, that is for sure.

      Nemo probably spanks Neo on number of tickets sold (kids are $5 or less usually).

    6. Re:build up the hype machine by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 1

      That's exactly my point.

      There are all these lists of "The most popular movies of all time" ... based on the gross they brought in. But, how does one compare a movie that grossed $20 million 20 years ago with one that grossed $20 million today? Or even one that grossed $20 million 20 years ago with one that grossed $200 million today?

      Box office stats are worthless and meaningless as the metric they are using is a moving target. They need to pick a unit that doesn't change in value or meaning, like number of tickets sold.

    7. Re:build up the hype machine by DohDamit · · Score: 1

      Right. They're embarrassed because the latest movie out of Pixar(batting a thousand, folx) out-earns their $270,000,000 domestic box. Cry me a river. Dipshit.

    8. Re:build up the hype machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuck you you fucking fuck.

      and you are wrong, which is nice.

      biggest film of the year (so far) gets its ass handed to it by a cartoon??? mwahahahaha!!!

    9. Re:build up the hype machine by mattwolfewvu · · Score: 1
      They do somewhere...you just never hear about it. I believe that Gone With the Wind is still the #1 ticket seller of all time.

      (Quick google search)

      The amazon review and another site confirm this, but I can't find any hard numbers right hand

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    10. Re:build up the hype machine by schon · · Score: 1

      The only metric worth tracking is number of tickets sold. Yet no one ever tracks them.

      While I agree with you and realize that it's a better metric, even # of tickets sold is misleading, because of population growth/increased number of screens.

      There are more movie screens in existance now than 20 years ago (due to large single-screen theatres being replaced by multiplexes, and because of developing nations gaining theatres), so therefore there are more people available to buy tickets..

    11. Re:build up the hype machine by SecretAsianMan · · Score: 1
      Tabulating total ticket prices is irrelevant as there are so many different price points... The only metric worth tracking is number of tickets sold.
      Ultimately, the people whose work results in the production of movies form businesses and an industry. Businesses thrive on profitability - the raking in of as many greenbacks as possible, and that hopefully being more than what you spent in the first place. The trouble with tracking tickets sold is that there are so many different price points; it doesn't tell you how much money you made.

      This is the same reason why US speed limit signs are in MPH instead of RPM.

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    12. Re:build up the hype machine by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 1

      Then why don't they publish both? The number of tickets sold will tell how popular the movie really is, while the amount of money brought in will keep the execs happy.

      It would also make the comparisons against older movies that much more interesting. "Sure, ET only made $X million dollars, but it sold Y million tickets, more than any sci-fi film since."

  30. Not exactly a surprise.... by foxtrot · · Score: 1

    Movie studios like to tie in the DVD release with something else, since it ramps up the hype for both things. So the DVD for The Phantom Menace came out not long before Attack of the Clones in the theater; the DVD for Harry Potter and the [Philosopher's|Sorceror's] Stone not long before the second Harry Potter movie.

    Keep the hype up, and you'll sell more of both. And with the short release cycles of movies these days (also intended to keep the hype up...), you can release a movie, release the DVD while people are still thinking about the movie, so increase sales, and then release the next movie while they're still geeked on having just watched the DVD.

    -JDF

  31. PEZ? by not_a_george · · Score: 2, Funny

    forget all that, WHEN DO I GET MY NEO PEZ DISPENSER?
    They cannot deny me my life giving PEZ!!!

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    1. Re:PEZ? by grub · · Score: 1


      NEO PEZ DISPENSER?

      There is no Pez. If you watched the movie rather the girl 3 rows up you'd have known this.

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  32. How many people will buy this seperately? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In about a year from now, they're most likely going to release a box set, probably 6 discs (Matrix, Reloaded, Revolutions, Revisited, another bonus disc, and Animatrix). I'm waiting for this before I purchase the DVDs seperately.

  33. cha ching .. by jest3r · · Score: 0, Informative

    I have seen Reloaded 3 times in theatres, 4 times in DiVX, converted it to VCD (3 viewings), watched the highrez trailer like 30 times ... now I am going to buy the DVD so I can watch it some more.

    I think I have seen the original Matrix at least 20 times in various formats including 3 times in the theatre, 6 times on DVD (Which I purchased twice - lost it once), 6 times on VCD (before the DVD came out), 3 times on DiVX (before the DVD as well), and 2 times on TV

    I have seen the Animatrix 3 times in its entirety on DVD, 2 times on DiVX (before the DVD), watched the online episodes about 4 times each ..

    And I don't even know how many 'special features / the making of ..' shows I have watched ..

    Almost 50 viewings .. kind of disturbing really ...

    1. Re:cha ching .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Washowskis are the Architects .. we are slaves to their invention ..

    2. Re:cha ching .. by agentZ · · Score: 5, Funny

      To paraphrase, I wish I had a daughter so I could forbid her to marry you.

    3. Re:cha ching .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AMEN BROTHER.

      I mean, really. 50 viewings? Go outside.

    4. Re:cha ching .. by Rysc · · Score: 1

      and 2 times on TV

      Ever notice how every time it's shown on TV they eliminate the excellent "there is no spoon" scene right before Neo sees the Oracle, but still have him say "There is no spoon" in the elavator shaft?

      Firstly it's plain criminal to screw first time TV viewers out of that scene, secondly it's damn confusing. Why is Neo talking about a spoon?

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    5. Re:cha ching .. by SamBeckett · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's not disturbing that you've watched it so many times.. It is disturbing that you would think we would care what formats you watched it in.

    6. Re:cha ching .. by InOverMyFeet · · Score: 0

      Amen.....when I was reading his post I wondered why someone would keep up with that but then I realized that he probably doesn't have much else to think about locked up in his padded cell.

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    7. Re:cha ching .. by (void*) · · Score: 1

      But like him, you aint gonna have one, ever.

    8. Re:cha ching .. by Equinox · · Score: 1

      I find it disturbing that he knows how many times in each format he's seen it in...

  34. duh... by Spytap · · Score: 0

    This is noteworthy because normally there are large time spans between releases of DVDs and Sequels

    Yes, well there are usually larger time spans between theater releases as well. Instead of the normal 2-3 year span, we're seeing 6-8 months. That'll affect the DVD/sequel time-span ratio ;)

  35. Oblivious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Have you ever stood and stared at it? Marveled at it's beauty? It's genius? Billions of people just living out their lives......oblivious...."

    if you think i'm talking about you, you're right

    this will be the last time i say it so listen up...

    THE MATRIX HAS YOU

  36. Yeah, but which version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which version will this be, Matrix Reloaded 6.0 or will that have crashed by then. Maybe Matrix 6.0 Service Pack 4. After revolutions we will be forced to upgrade to Matrix Longhorn.

  37. In other news by aardwolf204 · · Score: 1

    In other news,

    the Matrix Reloaded VOB files will be available on the FastTrack (Kazaa) network 4 weeks before Matrix Revolutions debuts. Pick up your copy of Kazaa K++ here.

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  38. Newsworthy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since when did "Marketing Ploy" start meaning "Newsworthy"???

  39. they'll get you to buy the Matrix twice by mozkill · · Score: 1

    yeah, they will release Revolutions and then they will wait and release the whole series a year later with added footage to the original Matrix and you'll end up buying the frickin DVD twice...

    i'll just stick to downloading the movie for free thanks. i don't feel guilty about it either, considering how they are out to screw us.

    ever since the "X-Men" special edition DVD trick, i have been jaded....

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  40. Sell while the hype is still sort of working. by LazloToth · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    So another disposable, computer generated blob of mediocrity is available on reflective plastic discs before the next disposable, computer generated blob of mediocrity hits the big screen like a fistful of hurled feces. Big F-ing Deal.

    PS - Yes, I thought it sucked.

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    1. Re:Sell while the hype is still sort of working. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "PS - Yes, I thought it sucked."

      PPS - Big F-ing Deal

  41. Matrix: RECARGADO by thegnu · · Score: 4, Funny

    the funny thing about matrix: reloaded here in mexico is the translation. recargado is reloaded, but also "leaning on something"

    so it looks to be the most mellow matix so far.

    neo! he fights! he flies! he smokes marijuana! then he leans on shit for a while!

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    1. Re:Matrix: RECARGADO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      recargado is reloaded, but also "leaning on something"

      That makes as much sense and is just as funny in English. Hurray for Mexican Spanish, you should start work on Mexican Spanish man pages.

  42. Re:Waiting for Laserdisc... by sacherjj · · Score: 1

    My hope is that you wait a little longer and get a much better selection of supporting material. After seeing Matrix Reloaded on IMAX, I don't know if DVD will be good enough. :)

  43. Release 10.10.2003 in Denmark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm working in a store in Denmark, and today
    we got a postcard with some fancy Matrix
    graphics on the front, and a release date on
    the back: DVD/VHS 10/10-2003

  44. Newsworthy by grungeman · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I think from now on all Slashdot editors should justify for each news item why they published it and explain exactly what is newsworthy about it. Good start.

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    1. Re:Newsworthy by caeled · · Score: 1

      Hmmm.... seems to have generated quite a bit of discussion. All folks had to do was ignore it, and it would have passed into obscurity.

      Isn't the point of this generating discussion?
      Enough people seemed to care enough about the
      subject to generate several pages of subject
      lines when I went into the discussion.

      For a discussion board, that *seems* to be
      justification enough. *shrug*

  45. that DVD better be high quality.... by Gorphrim · · Score: 5, Funny

    ....hopefully they'll base it off the Centropy release....

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  46. Im gonna wait for the super delux box set by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 1

    about 8 months to a year after revolutions I am expecting a box set of all 3 movies with a companion dvd of a ton of extras.....

    I wait for the super delux release of LOTR before I buy it also...the MPAA is not getting my money for the same product more than once.

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  47. Who needs the dvd anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope they are not sacrificing extra features for the sake of releasing this dvd early.

    I wonder if my cinema will do something similar to what it did when reloaded came out, both the original and reloaded showing with a 30min gap inbetween.

    Although I doubt my arse can take almost six hours sitting down, even if I will be watching three of the greatest movies in a row...

  48. Die, Anonymous Coward Swine. by LazloToth · · Score: 1



    Just kidding. : )

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  49. Re:What the flying dutchman is going on here? by Jack+Comics · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's see. Boycott the MPAA and the RIAA! And as someone else suggested in a recent thread a few days ago, boycott books as well. If you don't want to support something, that's all fine and dandy, but you have to pick your battles. If you start or join too many, you wind up injuring yourself, and not the intended party(ies).

    There's only so much that geeks enjoy. Outside of computer hobbies such as programming and gaming, books, movies, and music make up the vast majority of down time for the average geek. What do we do when we decide to boycott all of them? Our down time will start to seem like work and become down-right depressing, because you're straining yourself to find something to do, when there's something you enjoy but you're forcing yourself not to.

    For instance, I boycott McDonald's and the Olive Garden. As to why, I won't get into that. But if I decide to boycott all fast-food chains and restaurants altogether, I'm severely limiting myself as to what I can eat if I'm not at home, and even limiting myself when I am home, if everyone else feels like ordering out and such. I wouldn't be able to partake in dinner with my family and friends, which is considered by many to be a bonding experience. Why hurt me and hurt others and not eat and share dinner with my family and friends at the four star Chinese restaurant down the street, just because I don't like McDonald's and the Olive Garden?

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  50. Spoiler **WARNING** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Neo has something to do with the Matrix.

    1. Re:Spoiler **WARNING** by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      Eer watch Thirtenth Floor? That's what I'm guessing all the "Matrix" and "Zion" to be.

      For those who havent watched that show, please do. It came out a wee bit before the matrix and was, in my opinion, better.

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  51. heh by TrekkieGod · · Score: 1
    SPOILER WARNING

    For those who are waiting for the DVD before seeing the movie, did I mention SPOILER WARNING?

    The "guy on the table right across from Neo" is Smith...now, whether that makes the cliff-hanger better or not, I don't know, but since nobody in their right mind would describe the awesome Agent Smith as "the guy on the table right across from Neo", I figured you might actually not be a troll, and might actually not have realized that.

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  52. October? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's available in october on DVD? Funny It's been available at my house on DVD for a month. :)

  53. Film... an art?? by handsolo · · Score: 0, Troll

    What indications led you to believe that film was supposed to be an art? Was it the graceful nuances in the the last martin lawrence fish-out-of-water cop-medy? Was it the ferociously artistic roaring engines in the fast and the furious? Was it the sublime metaphorical connotations of Swim Fan? Was it the persuasively muted performance of Vin Diesel that was nothing short of breathtaking in XXX? Did Arnold Schwartzenegger, oft reputed to be the Michaelangelo of that artistic Action genre, stand as though he were David whilst he held a coffin in one hand and a shotgun in the other in Terminator 3? Did Old School really get you thinking? Perhaps the subtext of the Legally Blonde series really resonated with the unsatisfied yearnings of the work-a-day populace.

    1. Re:Film... an art?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of these really, really got me thinking. about how you're a pretentious asshole.

    2. Re:Film... an art?? by Requiem · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pi. The Seven Samurai. Amadeus. Requiem for a Dream. You pretentious fuck: 90% of everything is crap, and that includes the film industry.

      Unlike the AC that replied to your post, I'm not afraid to put my name to this.

    3. Re:Film... an art?? by Have+Blue · · Score: 1

      There were tons of paintings, sonnets, Old English epics, symphonies, plays, statues, and so on that were just as awful as any of the movies you mentioned. We've just forgotten about them.

    4. Re:Film... an art?? by kalidasa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What indications led you to believe that film was supposed to be an art?

      I dunno, probably the intensity of the steps scene in Eisenstien's Potemkin, the sublimity of Kelvin's final vision of Earth in Tarkovsky's Solaris, Wender's angels watching over a divided Berlin in Wings of Desire . . . .

    5. Re:Film... an art?? by malocchio · · Score: 4, Insightful

      indications that film = art? hrmmm.... The Godfather, Ken Burns documentaries, Casablanca, some old westerns, hundreds others... Film, if done correctly, can bring to you everything a novel doesn't only minus literary technique. The combination of an exhilierating audio and visual experience that tells a story, makes an author's point, plays with ideas--how is that not art? If anything, film is the newest, most unmastered and yet most powerful artform that exists today.

      Even The Matrix, I have never seen another movie that attempts to bring metaphysics to the big screen.

    6. Re:Film... an art?? by handsolo · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Of course I wouldn't contend that film can't BE art. The original poster claimed that film was SUPPOSED to be art, and as such he was deriding the Matrix series (which is admittedly a far more artful contribution to pop cinema). The counterexamples listed serve to reinforce that film can be extremely banal and unartistic and serve the interests of both the public viewer and corporate entities responsible for their production -- that is, to bust blocks.

      If film was supposed to be art then the fact that the public embraces such artless explosion-driven narratives (from the point of view of ticket sales) would raise the question : who makes this supposition and what is meant by the term 'art'? Perhaps the art lies in a well executed series of marketing steps that amasses the pecuniary rather than intellectual interests of the mass audience.

    7. Re:Film... an art?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahnold was firing a belt fed machine gun, not a shotgun.

    8. Re:Film... an art?? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      I think the moment for me when I realized film was an art (keeping in mind that I was born in 1977) was when I saw Amadeus. That's really what brought it home to me.

      But more to the point, film is art. It might not be thought-provoking art, but all film is art. Even philosophy can be banal and downright lame. Even a pointillist representation of the grand canyon can be contracted by an insurance company for an advert. Even a fucking haiku can be perveted to sell cola. A film can be a simple moneymaking venture but if the cinematography (which is certainly an art as well as a science, just as photography is) is poor then the film will not do well unless it's some kind of art house film, like man bites dog. Or if the sound is sloppy and uninspiring, same thing...

      I know you were just trying to be clever, and you succeeded in your prose, but you failed in your point.

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    9. Re:Film... an art?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlike the AC that replied to your post, I'm not afraid to put my name to this.

      Darn tootin'!!! CmdrSocks and Squiggles put their names to it too! Take THAT Mr. Anonymous COWARD!!

      My feet smell. Do yours?

  54. This is a good thing... by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

    This means I can skip past the "slow zoom out from Keanu Reeves's ass" scene. Not to mention the part where Morpheus is speaking to the crowd at Zion and trying to be all tough and authoritative with his massive gut hanging out.

    Really, any version of the movie where I can skip over the entire Zion sequence will instantly make this movie 10 times better.

    1. Re:This is a good thing... by Luveno · · Score: 1

      Zion sequence? I thought they spliced in clips from MTV's "The Grind".

    2. Re:This is a good thing... by sharkey · · Score: 1
      I thought they spliced in clips from MTV's "The Grind".

      YES!!! I KNEW I heard Downtown Julie Brown!
      Wubba, wubba, wubba!

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    3. Re:This is a good thing... by Night+Goat · · Score: 1

      You forgot the ultra-lame part where Morpheus says "Good night, Zion" completely seriously while overlooking it on a ledge or something. A friend of mine squeaked "Good night" right after that, and the scene's seriousness was totally shot. I nearly shit my pants laughing though. :)

  55. Sucker's game. by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

    I'm waiting this one out. I bought the first Matrix DVD (because I didn't know there would be a sequel). I've been a "victim" too many times of the "release DVD. buy DVD. release Special Edition DVD with special features and extra scenes. buy DVD. release boxed set of all the series on DVD. Buy set. Release special edition boxed set of all series on DVD. ARGH! buy new set." I think my roomate easily spent $200 just on the Star Wars DVD's.

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    1. Re:Sucker's game. by TrentC · · Score: 1

      I think my roomate easily spent $200 just on the Star Wars DVD's.

      Both of them???

      That brings a whole new meaning to the term "sucker"...

      Jay (=

    2. Re:Sucker's game. by SugarKing · · Score: 0

      Assumming Episode's IV-VI are not out on DVD yet, how is it possible to spend that kind of money? Are episode's I and II $100 a piece? What am I missing?

    3. Re:Sucker's game. by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

      You're right. I could've sworn he bought those on DVD, but he actually bought the VHS set, then the Special Edition (enhanced) set. And when they release the DVD's, rest assured he will have those, as well. :P

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  56. Resist the urge to buy!!! by Infernon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Resist your urges to buy this DVD! You know that they're going to release a trilogy box set deal after the third movie and that you're going to want that as well...
    willpower...fading...must...not...buy...

    1. Re:Resist the urge to buy!!! by slackr · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's why I still haven't bought Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey.

      Keanu will come back. Any day now...

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    2. Re:Resist the urge to buy!!! by phillymjs · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure you were kidding, but it really may happen.

  57. Different Audiences by cmason32 · · Score: 1

    Well, don't forget that Nemo has the advantage of being rated G. The Matrix has a limited audience whereas Nemo appeals to all ages.

    The best analysis would be against a similarly rated movie.

    1. Re:Different Audiences by BigBir3d · · Score: 1

      The Matrix Reloaded was supposed to be "the movie" of the year, Finding Nemo was not.

      Regardless of rating (a factor, but not as big as you think), Nemo has the staying power that Reloaded does not.

      As for ratings... I see _almost_ as many kids in R Rated movies as I do G movies. "Parenting" is a very loose term nowadays.

    2. Re:Different Audiences by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the parents come with the kids to the G rated movies, that's the big difference.

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    3. Re:Different Audiences by entrager · · Score: 1

      G rated movies have a HUGE advantage over R rated movies. Without even analysing why, this is obvious by looking at ticket sales in the past.

      As for why: it can be summed up by the viewing habits of younger viewers compared to older. For most R rated movies, the average person will see it just slightly more than once in the theater. Why? Adults tend not to see movies more than once, they don't feel the need to. Granted cult movies like the Matrix series are an exception for SOME viewers (I saw it 4 times), the fact remains that most people will still only see it once, so the average viewing per person will barely go above one.

      In contrast, G rated movies are attended by children. Children want to see things OVER and OVER, just ask any parent with a few Disney DVDs around. Ask them which movies in their collection have be viewed more than 10 times. The average viewer for G rated movies will see it much closer than two times. That's what kids do. What's more, parents are forced to come along each time (for the younger kids).

      To further boost sales for lower-rating movies, there are lots of theaters that will turn people away if they aren't old enough to see a movie. I don't know about much of the country, but where I live it's a rarity to find a theater that will let the rules slide. What do these people do when they can't see what they want? Go home? NO! They'll see a different movie. Let's see... what else is playing? How about Finding Nemo?

      As for R rated movies having as many kids in them as G rated movies. I think not. Take a close look at the crowd next time. And also pay attention to the time. Later shows will have a closer ratio than early shows, since the bad parents that are keeping their kids up too late are also the ones that bring their 3 year old to The Matrix.

      For the record: I loved Finding Nemo. Should it have made more money than any movie in the Matrix series? Perhaps. But let's not compare apples and oranges here.

    4. Re:Different Audiences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The Matrix Reloaded was supposed to be "the movie" of the year, Finding Nemo was not.

      So what! They said that about the Hulk and about T3! They'll say that about Tomb Raider as well. For that matter Nemo did better than EVERY movie this year so far!

      BTW check out Bruce Almighty on this list.

    5. Re:Different Audiences by VValdo · · Score: 1

      Well, don't forget that Nemo has the advantage of being rated G. The Matrix has a limited audience whereas Nemo appeals to all ages.

      On the other hand, kids pay less per ticket than adults.

      W

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    6. Re:Different Audiences by bucky0 · · Score: 1

      To further boost sales for lower-rating movies, there are lots of theaters that will turn people away if they aren't old enough to see a movie. I don't know about much of the country, but where I live it's a rarity to find a theater that will let the rules slide. What do these people do when they can't see what they want? Go home? NO! They'll see a different movie. Let's see... what else is playing? How about Finding Nemo?

      Which leads to an interesting problem in all the statistics. Of the people that showed up to the movie theatres and couldn't get into the R rated movies, how many bought tickets to a lesser-rated movie and walked into a different theatre? I went with a group to see Matrix Reloaded, and out of 9 people, 3 people bought tickets to Nemo and walked into the Reloaded theatre with me.

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    7. Re:Different Audiences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids only get into R movie with an adult.

  58. Obvious of course, but... by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I really like to watch an original movie just before the sequel, if possible.

    Also, a new and diabolical tactic they are using now is to include different special features on different DVD sets - so the extras here (which look to be pretty good) may well not even be on the Special Ultimate Uranium Edition, or The Matrix Thoughtfully Reconsidered.

    Translation: I'm buying the DVD.

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    1. Re:Obvious of course, but... by SuperDuG · · Score: 1
      I really like to watch an original movie just before the sequel, if possible.

      Hence why most of us ... rent the video ... you are aware you can rent DVD's now ... right?

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    2. Re:Obvious of course, but... by Matrix272 · · Score: 1

      you are aware you can rent DVD's now ... right?

      Sure, for about $5. Or I can spend $15 and own it... I'm sure I'll watch it more than 3 times.

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    3. Re:Obvious of course, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only there was someplace where you could RENT a movie, then take it back when you were done....

  59. hmm by nomadic · · Score: 1

    This is noteworthy

    Not really.

    because normally there are large time spans between releases of DVDs and Sequels (although LotR had a special edition released only a few weeks before TTT).

    For something to be noteworthy people have to care about it. Does anyone really care that a release date is slightly earlier than the mean? Especially for a so-so movie?

  60. Re:Waiting for Laserdisc... by eln · · Score: 1

    You know, of course, that the major reason to release now is to get people to buy it so they can watch it right before Revolutions. Then, when everyone has bought it, they'll release the "Ultra Cool Platinum Titanium Plutonium Whiz-Bang Edition" of the entire trilogy in a special collector's case with 16 different documentaries per film and 4 hours of deleted scenes and bloopers, forcing everyone to spend yet more money on the same films.

  61. Must be some mistake by djupedal · · Score: 5, Funny

    I picked up a copy of Reloaded on DVD over a month ago... in Seoul....what's with this October noise :)

    1. Re:Must be some mistake by logikkigol · · Score: 0

      pDVD doesnt count... I can burn a DVD+R Rip of the CTP SVCD and call it a DVD to. =/

    2. Re:Must be some mistake by warpath · · Score: 1

      I thought about getting a copy in Korea too, but I'm not too big on foreign films.

  62. heh by ed.han · · Score: 1

    "collect all 5 to create super-mega-man!"

  63. I disagree. by Murdock037 · · Score: 5, Informative
    The extra content, in this case anyway, might well be worth the investment in the DVD.

    This seems like a pretty half-assed DVD to me. We all know the term "Special Edition" has no meaning anymore, but it's pretty obvious they've rushed this out to coincide with the release of Revolutions.

    Take a good look at those "bonus features." It's a few featurettes, the kind of vapid press release crap you see on HBO before the movie's released. No commentary. No deleted scenes. Why do they need a second disc for this?

    There's already talk of a genuine special edition (scroll to the bottom of the article), after the Wachowskis are done with the Revolutions hoopla. If you're not willing to buy a movie twice, you're going to be kicking yourself later.
    1. Re:I disagree. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      If you're not willing to buy a movie twice, you're going to be kicking yourself later.

      why?? I refuse to buy any movie twice.. I waited for the real special edition for LOTR and refused to buy the rushed out regular crap... same as for TTT, I ain't buyin it until they release the REAL one.

      Matrix? Dont own the first one yet.. as the real "special edition" isn't out yet... and wont be until they are ready to wring the last dime out with the 3 disc set super duper special edition with Free 60000 hours of AOL!

      so no I wont be kicking myself later.. I'll just have more DIFFERENT DVD's than you for the same money spent.

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    2. Re:I disagree. by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      I think he meant that if you buy this release, you'll be kicking yourself when the decent version comes out. Not that you'll be kicking yourself for not buying them both.

    3. Re:I disagree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've just gotten word of the title for the genuine special edition:

      Matrix: Reloaded - Special Edition: Reloaded

    4. Re:I disagree. by zackbar · · Score: 1

      Erg. $29 for what amounts to the regular dvd.

      What's the deal with some of these prices. I still can't buy "Star Wars I" for less than $25 at the local stores. Everything else has an srp of $20.

      Maybe I'll just rent it and copy it.

    5. Re:I disagree. by Matrix272 · · Score: 1

      why?? I refuse to buy any movie twice.. I waited for the real special edition for LOTR and refused to buy the rushed out regular crap... same as for TTT, I ain't buyin it until they release the REAL one.

      Begin kicking yourself in the ass now. The special features on the "regular" DVD for LOTR are COMPLETELY different than the ones that come with the special edition that was released (and will be released) 2 months after the initial one. I bought them both, knowing full well that I'd be spending another $65 (gift set) in November.

      Matrix? Dont own the first one yet.. as the real "special edition" isn't out yet... and wont be until they are ready to wring the last dime out with the 3 disc set super duper special edition with Free 60000 hours of AOL!

      Yes, they double-dip too many movies. Yes, it's annoying. Although with your attitude, you'll never own a DVD for fear that in 6 months, they might come out with a better one. I have 3 copies of Terminator 2 right now. They might come out with a box set after Terminator 14 (yes, fourteen) comes out in June 2058. Am I really worried about it? No. In the meantime, if I feel like it, I can watch Arnold kick some ass anytime I want, which is, don't forget, the primary purpose of owning a movie... not the special features.

      As far as buying "REAL" DVD's, how many do you own? What's your favorite one?

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    6. Re:I disagree. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      As far as buying "REAL" DVD's, how many do you own? What's your favorite one?

      I have currently 147 DVD's. my favorite is Sneakers. that will only play in my modified Apex player because it is a region 2 disc they didn't release it in region one until the past year or so. Yes I have seen the "special features" on the rushed release of LOTR and they are not worth having compared to the full version of the movie and the slightly worthwhile added features.

      Many of my absolute favorites are Indie films like the Robert Cake, Bent:volume 3, etc....

      LoTR is a good flick and makes much more sense when you can actually watch the whole movie instead of the chopped version.. TTT will be the same..

      I refuse to buy the hype of the rushed out DVD's, as the second release is always better and is always more enjoyable.

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    7. Re:I disagree. by jafuser · · Score: 1

      After seeing the extended version of FOTR on starz, I'd have to say the few extra clips definitely helps tie up some odd scenes and sudden plot transitions a bit.

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  64. What about the mega extended version? by stickyc · · Score: 1

    I've been screwed too often by The Man to buy a first release of anything anymore. Anyone know when the really loaded Reloaded version is due out?

    1. Re:What about the mega extended version? by MImeKillEr · · Score: 1

      Just wait for the boxed set -- there's bound to be one eventually.

      Likely, there'll be Revolutions released on DVD, followed by a box set either in time for xmas or within 6 months.

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  65. I've got it on DVD right now by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

    I wish I didn't, but my brother forced it on me. Oh, do we mean "available through authorised channels of distribution"? Then in that case, I don't. There is no screener.

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  66. Re:What the flying dutchman is going on here? by HyperColor+Underware · · Score: 1

    Why the hell does yours get rated 2? Oh well. Ratings are for suckers.

    But what you just said is exactly why the MPAA and the RIAA don't have a problem keeping afloat when they piss off nerds like us. Some of the more educated will boycott Britney Spears, or Eminem, as protest against what the RIAA is doing (and producing). Yes, fine, but then they go out and listen to an RIAA Sponsored Local Band Concert (Yes, guys, I'm sorry to say but the RIAA does fund local bands, especially non-profit bands [I don't mean indy rock crap by the way]). Or they buy some older music, which still goes back to the RIAA.

    I just don't see why Slashdotters even try to pretend to be so above everybody else when it comes to knowledge on the RIAA and MPAA, especially when they post things like this on the main page. It's a limp wristed protest, and nobody will take us seriously. We make no sacrifice.

  67. MPAA by sql*kitten · · Score: 1

    Someone remind me... do we hate the MPAA today, or what?

    1. Re:MPAA by pdbogen · · Score: 1

      Yes, but only where it does not relate to The Matrix trilogy or LotR.

  68. No by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    It is just a deja vu, It happens when they change something...

  69. TTT by Pinguu · · Score: 2, Funny

    although LotR had a special edition released only a few weeks before TTT
    Shouldn't that be T3? :)

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    1. Re:TTT by BTWR · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't that be T3? :)

      No, T2 has a new special edition released about every 3 months or so...

  70. Actually... by Obiwan+Kenobi · · Score: 1

    This is noteworthy because normally there are large time spans between releases of DVDs and Sequels (although LotR had a special edition released only a few weeks before TTT).

    Thankfully they're doing the same thing this time with an awesome 4-disc set for the TTT as well (just a month before Return of the King hits).

  71. Mod parent up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess we only like to hear the boycott *AA chant when it pertains to Britney Spears boy bands and the Ya-Ya Sisterhood.

    Way to stand up for what you believe in slashdotters!

    YAY!

  72. Also just in time for Christmas gift-giving... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pretty much expected the release of the Matrix Reloaded DVD before the theatrical release of the third installment - makes sense for marking and boosting sales of the second DVD for those returning to the cinema to watch the third installment.

    Also will take advantage of the Cristmas gift season - although I would still expect numerous returns after Christmas since some people may get multiple copies or will have bought themselves a copy.

  73. About Time by mobileskimo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was wondering when they'd figure this one out. I mean really, is it that much a brain surgery to guess that releasing the DVD just as the movie ticket sales drop would be a good idea? Wait the normal length of time between release and media and people say "Oh I gotta get this on DVD!" and then forget. Put the video out after the theatre experience is still somewhat fresh in their memory and maybe you get more sales? I'd be surprised if more movies don't do this. Am I missing something here?

    BTW, I'm not purchasing this DVD. Why collect media at all anymore? I have only one answer to this. Transport of large amounts is still cheaper and faster by foot. Other than that, Net becoming fast ubiquitous, I think I'll make the leap and commit to media-less entertainment.

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    1. Re:About Time by bucky0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      BTW, I'm not purchasing this DVD. Why collect media at all anymore? I have only one answer to this. Transport of large amounts is still cheaper and faster by foot. Other than that, Net becoming fast ubiquitous, I think I'll make the leap and commit to media-less entertainment.

      Even is you don't want to collect media, you should still buy it so that the people who made it can get paid. Commiting to media-less entertainment hurts the people that entertain you(If I interpreted your comment correctly (I.E. you're just gonna kazaa it))

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    2. Re:About Time by mobileskimo · · Score: 1

      Never used kazaa, or any downloading software. There's an entire underground of activity that doesn't use any of that. But in effect you are right, I am hurting the entertainment industries sales.

      As for "should"? What's all this "should" nonesense. Should is a derivitive of the word "shall" which is a from the same meaning as "will". We started using this word to denote what is expected of us, by means of courtesy or obligation as an extension of what we promise to deliver in the future. You'll not tell me what I "should" or "shouldn't" do. What I want to do is send a message that I want media-less entertainment. The executives who make decisions will want to fulfill that need, there's obviously a demand for it. The entertainment businesses "should" get with the times and eliminate their outdated cash cow businesses based on physical media and develop a model to make their money by distributing on net. But they don't cause they like their old system. It's safe, they know the old business, the old model is fat in profits, not riddled with risk, but more importantly, many of the executives who operate the current business model may be ousted of their position if they don't adapt and learn the new model.

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    3. Re:About Time by Gorphrim · · Score: 1

      You'll not tell me what I "should" or "shouldn't" do.

      Struck me funny that you feel comfortable telling him what he can and can't do...why not just ignore him instead of making yourself a hypocrite? He has as much a right to express his opinion of what you "should" do as you have to do as you please.

      Now what was that Golden Rule again? I had it written down somewhere...

      Oh, and to avoid a total off-topic rating...I also find it interesting that your defense seems to be, "yeah I steal the content, but only because I want it and I want to hurt their sales figures." Nice ethics system you have going on.

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    4. Re:About Time by mobileskimo · · Score: 1

      That's absolutely correct :)

      "You'll not tell me what to do" is usually used as an idiom of sorts to really mean "I'll not do as you tell me". My apologies for using this term since it confuses some people.

      He does have a right to express his opinion. I choose to express that I feel it is wrong. Whether you feel it is or not is entirely up to you. Isn't that the point of a discussion? To express different points of opinions? If we chose to ignore everyone and keep our opinions to ourselves it would make a very boring world in my opinion.

      Off-topic schmopic.
      your defense seems to be, "yeah I steal the content, but only because I want it and I want to hurt their sales figures."

      Firstly, I'd like to know why you consider it a "defense". I didn't feel there was any offense to me. I certainly don't feel anything I've said in the previous post was a defense.

      Secondly, if it seems to you this way, I can not argue with you about your perceptions being different from what I intended. My intention was to convey that since we have technology that enables us to enjoy entertainment without the media, I choose not to accumulate these things. My suggestions to the media businesses is only that. If the executives at the media businesses choose ignore it then... OK.

      If the end impact is that it hurt their sales figures, that was not my original intent.

      Nice ethics system you have going on.

      Please correct me if I've mistaken your intent with this comment but I believe you are being sarcastic and really implying that I have a not-nice ethics system. If this is not the case then I suggest you skip the next paracgraph.

      In the case that you are implying such, nice and not-nice ethics systems denotes intent. By associating the previous comment with "I want to hurt their sales figures", implies that I have malicious intent. Malicious intent requires the subject to have an emotional motivation to harm a target. I have no desire to inflict malicious intent on sales figures or the people responsible for them in the media business. Just as I can not be credited with saintly behavior for purchasing shoes from a shoe salesman and supporting his/her children. I just wanted shoes. Perhaps if I became personally involved with these people I may feel different. I wish them all the best luck in life.

      --
      "Last one in is a rotten goblin!" - Kepp
    5. Re:About Time by hellfire · · Score: 1

      Before I buy the Matrix DVD, individually or the entire set, I would like to see the contract that the Warner Bros and the "creators of the matrix" signed. If I buy a DVD, is a portion of that sale going to the creators or did they get a flat fee? Or did they sign over much of their copywrites in order to get the funding they needed?

      In today's media environment, you cannot use the argument that by paying for the CD ensures the creator gets paid. It doesn't! In fact many "artists" get screwed and only the major businesses get any money due to the types of contracts they have to sign.

      This is my new copywrite mantra. You want me to pay for a new CD or DVD? Show me the contract. Either that or have the brothers who originally came up with the Matrix come over to my house and give me a copy and I'll personally give them $25 per episode.

      --

      "All great wisdom is contained in .signature files"

    6. Re:About Time by cyril3 · · Score: 1

      At our house we seemed to have been committed to entertainment-less media by the networks.

  74. It's True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    \Module{Compose transformations}

    Given two quadratic transformations
    $$F(x,y)
    = \pmatrix{u\cr v\cr}
    = \pmatrix{
    a_1 x + c_1 y + e_1 + g_1 x y + i_1 x^2 + k_1 y^2 \cr
    b_1 x + d_1 y + f_1 + h_1 x y + j_1 x^2 + l_1 y^2 \cr} $$
    and
    $$G(x,y)
    = \pmatrix{u\cr v\cr}
    = \pmatrix{
    a_2 x + c_2 y + e_2 + g_2 x y + i_2 x^2 + k_2 y^2 \cr
    b_2 x + d_2 y + f_2 + h_2 x y + j_2 x^2 + l_2 y^2 \cr} $$
    this routine computes the composition
    $$H(x,y) = G(F(x,y))
    = \pmatrix{u\cr v\cr}
    = \pmatrix{
    a_3 x + c_3 y + e_3 + g_3 x y + i_3 x^2 + k_3 y^2 + M_1(x,y) \cr
    b_3 x + d_3 y + f_3 + h_3 x y + j_3 x^2 + l_3 y^2 + M_2(x,y) \cr} $$
    That is, it computes what transformation $H$ is equivalent to first performing
    transformation $F$, then following that with transformation $G$.

    In the above, the $M_i(x,y)$ are polynomials with terms of order 3 and 4 only
    that may arise in compositions of quadratic transformations.
    $$\eqalign{
    M_1(x,y) &= m_0 x y^2 + m_2 x^2 y + m_4 x^3 + m_6 y^3
    + m_8 x y^3 + m_{10} x^3 y + m_{12} x^2 y^2 + m_{14} x^4 + m_{16} y^4 \cr
    M_2(x,y) &= m_1 x y^2 + m_3 x^2 y + m_5 x^3 + m_7 y^3
    + m_9 x y^3 + m_{11} x^3 y + m_{13} x^2 y^2 + m_{15} x^4 + m_{17} y^4}$$
    In certain applications, where the nonlinearities are small perturbations to
    linear transformations, these higher-order terms may be negligible and can be
    ignored.
    \def\:{\over}
    \def\E#1e#2.{#1\times 10^{#2}}
    For example, consider a rotation through 60$^\circ$, but with slight non-linear
    perturbation:
    $$F(x,y)
    = \pmatrix{u\cr v\cr}
    = \pmatrix{
    {\sqrt3\:2}x + {1\:2}y + 10^{-3}\,x y + 10^{-3}\,x^2 + 10^{-3}\,y^2 \cr
    \noalign{\vskip 2pt}
    {\sqrt3\:2}y - {1\:2}x + 10^{-3}\,x y + 10^{-3}\,x^2 + 10^{-3}\,y^2 \cr}$$

    = \pmatrix{
    {1\:2}x + {\sqrt3\:2}y + \E8.7e-4.\,x y + \E1.8e-3.\,x^2 + \E9.3e-4.\,y^2 \cr
    \noalign{\vskip 2pt}
    {1\:2}y - {\sqrt3\:2}x + \E1.9e-3.\,x y + \E2.8e-3.\,x^2 + \E1.9e-3.\,y^2 \cr}
    $$
    but third and fourth order coefficients being smaller than that by three to six
    orders of magnitude.
    The set of coefficients $m_0$ through $m_{17}$ in this case has values
    $\E5.2e-6.$, $\E5.2e-6.$, $\E5.2e-6.$, $\E5.2e-6.$, $\E4.1e-6.$, $\E4.1e-6.$,
    $\E1.1e-6.$, $\E1.1e-6.$, $\E6e-9.$, $\E6e-9.$, $\E6e-9.$, $\E6e-9.$, $\E9e-9.$,
    $\E9e-9.$, $\E3e-9.$, $\E3e-9.$, $\E3e-9.$, and $\E3e-9.$, respectively.
    Of course, these coefficients of higher-order terms become important far
    from the origin.

    If coefficients $g,h,i,j,k,$ and $l$ are all zero,
    the transformation is called {\sl affine}.
    If coefficients $i,j,k,$ and $l$ are all zero,
    in this module the transformation is called {\sl hyperbolic}.
    Otherwise it is simply called {\sl quadratic}.
  75. Not as fast as "From Kelly to Justin"!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    No shit...from the theater to DVD in 68 days.

    http://thedigitalbits.com

  76. How many of you waited past closing credits? by baywulf · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you sit through all the closing credits on Matrix Reloaded, there is a small preview of Matrix Revolutions.

    1. Re:How many of you waited past closing credits? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I went to see it on opening day, after the "To Be Concluded", I watched in amazement everyone around me get up and start to leave...

      I told as many of them as I could "no no no! wait! there's a Revolutions preview after the credits!!!"

      The last guy to leave before the preview started seemed forced to do so by his impatient foot-stomping girlfriend... so I ended up watching the preview with the cleanup crew.

    2. Re:How many of you waited past closing credits? by Equinox · · Score: 1

      That wasn't really worth the wait...a seizure-inducing flood of images and a thousand Smiths. Oh yeah, and in case you forgot, this is the last of the trilogy.

  77. Apples to Oranges by naNoox · · Score: 1

    Different audience sizes = different market potential.

    Matrix Reloaded is rated R: Must be over 17. This limits the potential audience. Matrix Reloaded is one of the highest grossing R-rated movies of all time.

    Finding Nemo is rated G...

    Nanoox

  78. DOWN WITH KARMA WHORING ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Send him to -1 !

    1. Re:DOWN WITH KARMA WHORING ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF? He's prolly gonna get "Funny" which doesn't count for karma anyways. Stop being jealous, we got our karma right here!

  79. Theatrical double-showings? by mbourgon · · Score: 1

    I know several theaters were showing The Matrix right before Matrix Reloaded came out, I wonder if anyone will do a double-feature or triple-feature, show Matrix 2/3 in one sitting. You definitely need an intermission in the middle (although I guess the 9 minutes worth of credits would work), lest your bladder burst. But that would be a blast.

    --
    "Sometimes a woman is a kind of religion, she can save your soul & set you free from all your sins" - Bad Examples
    1. Re:Theatrical double-showings? by onosendai · · Score: 1

      Down under (well at least in Adelaide) we were treated to Matrix + Matrix:Reloaded + Animatrix at a "Movie Marathon" in May (the long weekend actually), run by one of the large cinema chains here, and considering at xmas they ran LotR:FotR+LotR:TTT in one marathon, i'm awaiting the Matrix+Reloaded+Revolutions marathon at xmas.

      --
      <? include ('signature.inc'); ?>
  80. Incorrect by Col.+Panic · · Score: 2, Informative

    "This is your last chance. After this there is no turning back. You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.... Remember, all I'm offering is the truth, nothing more...."
    --Morpheus

    1. Re:Incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lets think this through here, genious boy. If he takes the blue pill, the story ends and he wakes up in his bed. Where is his bed? Thats right! The dream world! ("You've been living in a dream world, Neo.")

      What happens if he takes the red pill? He leaves the dream world and enters the real world.

    2. Re:Incorrect by Cynikal · · Score: 1

      thanks for posting that so i didnt have to heh.. i find it so dificult articulating what i want to say when someone enthusiasticly tells me im wrong and then proceeds to say pretty much what i said in so many words...

    3. Re:Incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i find it so dificult articulating what i want to say

      well, there's the problem

  81. A refreshing change by paranode · · Score: 1

    It's nice to see these production companies caring about their fan base. This will bring them their money while at the same time satisfying the demand for the movies on DVD. It would be nice if some of the greedier people *cough*George Lucas*cough* would get with this trend and appreciate their fans.

  82. Sorry ;) by rylin · · Score: 0

    Whoa.

  83. MPU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'nuff said

  84. "Investing" in DVDs by uberdave · · Score: 1

    Up here in the Great White North, the Canadian Value of Music Coalition (a group of music industry types) is running a series of ads. The ads promote the idea that buying music helps make more music. (Check out their site for more info (Warning: flash intensive site)). So, by extension, buying DVDs provides money to produce more movies.

    Personally, I'd like to see the RIAA, and the MPAA take this sort of stance, rather than the "load the thing up with content protection and prosecute people" tack that they are using.

    1. Re:"Investing" in DVDs by CashCarSTAR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is why I purchase media that I really enjoy. (Well, aside from the increased quality)

      I want to reward stuff that I like, so they can keep on making more of that stuff. I'm voting with my wallet.

      One of the problems I see, is that a lot of people don't vote with their wallet anymore, which skewers the types of projects that are undertaken. (Although when it comes to movies, the CW is rather positive I think)

    2. Re:"Investing" in DVDs by Nexzus · · Score: 1

      OT: I presume you've also seen the commercial where they compare the theft of a candy bar to theft of satellite signals. Man that commercial pisses me off. To further extend their comparison - Suppose some candy company starts throwing their candy bars on my lawn and house. They hope that if I want to eat them, I'll pay for them. If I eat them and don't pay for them, I'm a crook.

      --
      Karma: Can only be portioned out by the Cosmos.
  85. Is it just me by roystgnr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Or did the Wachowski brothers lose about a thousand geek points by not naming their sequels something like "Matrix Product" and "Matrix Inverse"?

    1. Re:Is it just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was hoping for "Matrix 2: The Determinant".

    2. Re:Is it just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      followed by "matrix 3: the eigenvector"

    3. Re:Is it just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, with all the Agent Smiths it should have obviously been: Matrix Multiplications

  86. First hand experience by RobertKozak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I live in LA and the other day on the bus I saw a young man carrying a couple of DVDs. Being curious I read the titles. One of them was Matrix Reloaded. I was very surprised.

    I mentioned this to a friend of mine and he tells me they have already been mastered and dupped.

    As a side note someone else I know has a copy on VCD in english and the "translated english" subtitles are very very humerous.

    --
    Bet this .sig looks familiar.
  87. You Karma Whore Tattlers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you ever seen "American Psycho"? That's what you remind me of....

  88. Re:MOD THAT SLIMY KARMA WHORE DOWN ! by winston_pr · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I wish there was a mod-category for Poetry. Your english really makes me happy they teach us common american english in schools here in Europe. And your sense of humour even exceeds your writing abilities. BTW, Caps Lock is the big button on the left.

    --
    "6EQUJ5"
  89. Speed of release is unsurprising by Winterblink · · Score: 1

    The fact the DVD's coming out so fast isn't surprising at all. Movies nowadays are edited digitally anyway, and are therefore already in a format ideal for mastering to DVD. The special content was produced while the film was being made anyway with the intent to be on the DVDs. There's no additional footage or anything like the Lord of the Rings releases, which even had additional score for new portions. Mastering and manufacturing are the longest part of the process in this case, since the content's all there.

    --
    "I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."
    -Hoban Washburn
  90. "To be continued..." hurt Reloaded? by apetime · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Lots of people are complaining about the cliffhanger at the end of Reloaded, but I think the ending hurt the movie in a different way..

    If you have a movie that ends abruptly, then the main thing that's going to stick in peoples' minds after they get out of the theatre is "Oh God.. I can't want to see the next one.." NOT "I can't wait to see that again." That's why Reloaded fell from first place so quickly. It's not that people didn't like it, but that, apart from the geeks who want to analyze every bit of the movie, nobody is going to go see a movie that leaves them high and dry again and again.

    I predict Revolutions is going to dominate the box offices at the end of this year, with people going to see it over and over, because it (should) have a satisfying ending. And, if the studios are smart, they'll make sure to put the whole Matrix+Reloaded+Revolutions 6 hour epic out in limited release in theatres.

    1. Re:"To be continued..." hurt Reloaded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe it fell from first place so quickly because people realized that it blew chunks? Or do I have too much faith in the moviegoing public?

    2. Re:"To be continued..." hurt Reloaded? by jafac · · Score: 1

      "nobody is going to go see a movie that leaves them high and dry again and again."

      They will if it contains a scene where the character who "knows all the answers" gives a 10 minute cryptic diatribe, speaking quickly, and in an odd accent.

      --

      These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
    3. Re:"To be continued..." hurt Reloaded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nobody is going to go see a movie that leaves them high and dry again and again.

      Hmmm... Empire Strikes Back?

      Oddly, this fits in well with the comments in the above post, if you believe Yoda knows pretty much all the answers.

  91. Sure... but what's wrong with that? by brooks_talley · · Score: 1

    I don't think anyone was suggesting this was some kind of altruistic plan, where they were going to lose millions of dollars but get it out for the good of the fans.

    Anything in business is (hopefully) strategized. It's just nice to see a business realize that it can do something a bit different than usual and either make the same revenue while pleasing fans, or perhaps make extra revenue.

    Nothing wrong with that.

    Cheers
    -b

  92. Another option besides buying the DVD... by darkscorp · · Score: 1

    Find a dollar theater or drive-in in your area - they are generally a good way to catch films months after the initial theater release. I am sure Reloaded will still be showing somewhere come October.... Currently it is showing at the IMAX.

  93. Thanks. by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 1

    It had to be said.

    --
    Freedom: "I won't!"
  94. Well... by Stalemate · · Score: 1

    You probably wouldn't like these movies either

  95. What's wrong with McD's? by Thinkit3 · · Score: 1

    They finally abandoned marketing prices and charge a whole dollar for the value menu. Nice.

    --
    -Libertarian secular transhumanist
  96. Some of us... by alexjohns · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...have enough money to buy both. It's not stupid to buy stuff you want, generally. Yes it's stupid to waste your money on cigarettes. Unless you're one of those people who are addicted (or just really, really like them). It's stupid to buy junk food. Unless you're addicted. It's stupid to buy an SUV, unless you don't care about the environment. Or just value your personal safety over that of the environment.

    It's not stupid to buy this DVD if it allows you to watch the first and second movie just before the third one comes out. I don't have an eidetic memory, so don't you think my enjoyment of the third movie would be heightened if I can have the previous one fresh in my mind when I see it?

    What I think is stupid is to call other people stupid. You know nothing about me. My wants, desires, needs. My likes and dislikes. My IQ. My common sense. Calling me stupid is an insult to stupid people. Or something.

    1. Re:Some of us... by Matrix272 · · Score: 1

      It's not stupid to buy this DVD if it allows you to watch the first and second movie just before the third one comes out.

      I tend to think they'll do the same with this one as they did with the first... release the DVD, then release a companion DVD with a lot more special features. Then you don't waste any money, you get to watch the movie immediately, and you also get the features that everyone else seems to be waiting for.

      What I think is stupid is to call other people stupid.

      And yet you did, with your ranting about cigarettes, junk food, and SUV's. What if I don't care about my health, enjoy being fat, and don't believe SUV's have any effect on the environment? Then you just effectively called me stupid... I don't smoke, but I do eat a lot of junk food and drive an SUV. I eat junk food because it tastes good, and I'm as healthy as anyone I've ever seen (I'm skinny, like my parents, and don't expect to ever have a weight problem). I drive an SUV because it's more comfortable for me to step up into a vehicle than slouch down to get into one. It gets better gas mileage than my old Ford Escort, and I can put more of my cigarettes, junk food, and DVD's in it too.

      --
      "It's better to have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it." ~ Christian Slater, True Romance
    2. Re:Some of us... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it makes you feel any better, dear, I think you're stupid.

    3. Re:Some of us... by malocchio · · Score: 1

      Yes it's stupid to waste your money on cigarettes.

      And how might one go about wasting money on cigarettes? A wasted investment is when you don't spend money on an unusable/unused product. So, I guess wasting money on cigarettes would be buying a carton and not smoking them, or throwing them away after you walk out of the store.

      On the other hand, I smoke 1 pack of Camels a day, and I enjoy every fucking drag. I hate dicks like you who hide their insecurities with a facade of innocent openness, What I think is stupid is to call other people stupid. You idiot, dont like smoking? Don't smoke. Don't like me smoking? Thats nice, go fuck yourself.

      Personally, I don't trust anyone who doesn't drink or smoke. If tabacco and alcohol are out of the picture, theres usually something else more harmful--like obesity, street drugs, or even worse: clinical medication.

    4. Re:Some of us... by gordgekko · · Score: 1
      ...have enough money to buy both. It's not stupid to buy stuff you want, generally. Yes it's stupid to waste your money on cigarettes. Unless you're one of those people who are addicted (or just really, really like them). It's stupid to buy junk food. Unless you're addicted. It's stupid to buy an SUV, unless you don't care about the environment. Or just value your personal safety over that of the environment.

      So let me get this straight, it's not stupid for you to buy the same DVD twice but it is stupid if I choose to buy those things on your list of mildly verbotten items.

      Well, I'm happy to say that I own two SUVs (To quote you, I have enough money to buy both), I smoke and I occasionally eat junk food. I think your stupid for spending the money to buy the same DVD twice.

      --
      You want to know who isn't running Firefox 2.x? They spell it "definately" and "rediculous".
    5. Re:Some of us... by cyril3 · · Score: 1
      I don't feel so bad about calling people stupid anymore since I saw that research that showed that stupid people are often so stupid that they don't realize they are stupid so we are doing them a favour by alerting them to their stupidity.

      Of course you may be one of the few stupid people who are aware of their stupidity. These people are OK to call stupid because unfortunately they are too stupid to do anything effective about it.

      so don't you think my enjoyment of the third movie would be heightened if I can have the previous one fresh in my mind when I see it?

      Not nearly as much as it would if you spent half as much money on decent drugs then hired the three movies when they are all out.

    6. Re:Some of us... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to watch part 2 again before seeing part 3:

      Why don't you just rent it?

      You can watch the movie, and buy the super special edition later. You shouldn't really buy it if you're only going to watch it once and then discard it in favor of a better version.

      Better yet, if a friend was stupid enough to buy it, go over to his or her house and watch it for free.

  97. So he was correct! by PetiePooo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Lets take Cynikal's post:
    ...the red pill was to "wake up" into the real world...

    And then the quote from Morpheus:
    You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

    ...Both meaning you want to exit the matrix. Staying in wonderland is a bit misleading, as it implies the made-up world that is the matrix, but I believe the Wachowski brothers did that intentionally. Morpheus can only show "how deep the rabbit hole goes" if neo steps out of the matrix. The next comparison should cement this point.

    Cynikal's post:
    ...the blue one was to go back to the dream world...

    And the quote from Morpheus:
    You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe.

    Once again, a bit misleading, since the story ending implies leaving the matrix. However, you can only believe whatever you want to believe if you're still in the matrix.

    The clincher is that Neo swallows the red pill in order to exit the matrix.

    1. Re:So he was correct! by gerddie · · Score: 1

      Staying in wonderland is a bit misleading, as it implies the made-up world that is the matrix
      No, IMHO staying in wonderland referes to staying in a place that Neo are not used to. Since he grew up in the matrix, leaving the matrix is wonderland.

      Once again, a bit misleading, since the story ending implies leaving the matrix.
      Again no, the story ends referes to the fact that Neo has met Morpheus - if he takes the blue pill, that story is over.

    2. Re:So he was correct! by Erica+Nunez · · Score: 1

      No, IMHO staying in wonderland referes to staying in a place that Neo are not used to. Since he grew up in the matrix, leaving the matrix is wonderland.

      As far as I know, Wonderland is that magical place that really doesn't exist, except inside our imagination, our minds. So, being inside the Matrix is like being in Wonderland...
      Am I right?

    3. Re:So he was correct! by spoco2 · · Score: 1

      Bingo... I completely agree

    4. Re:So he was correct! by Col.+Panic · · Score: 1

      point - counterpoint

      weird-ass part is i agreed with both

    5. Re:So he was correct! by inteller · · Score: 1

      i can't believe people try to read into this hack of a movie so much. The Wachowski bros or whatever are hacks that just made an action film. It is so funny that gen Y is so desperate to latch on to a blade runner of their generation.

    6. Re:So he was correct! by iainl · · Score: 1

      " can't believe people try to read into this hack of a movie so much. The Wachowski bros or whatever are hacks that just made an action film."

      People keep saying this in every Matrix-related thread. Why is it so difficult to grasp the idea that an action movie doesn't have to be completely dumb? Action movies never used to be dumb, they don't have to be now.

      There is plenty of comment about America's attemts to keep nature under control, and at arms length behind white picket fences in Jaws, but that doesn't stop it being exciting. The Terminator deals with the issue of fate and our ability to shape the future by our choices in a very serious way, but Arnie still kicks arse. Why shouldn't The Matrix do the same?

      --
      "I Know You Are But What Am I?"
    7. Re:So he was correct! by gerddie · · Score: 1

      Wonderland is that magical place that really doesn't exist ...
      wonder:
      [...]
      3 a: rapt attention or astonishment at something awesomely mysterious or new to one's experience (emphasis by me)
      [...]

      Wonderland is the place were this happes - and it can be very real.

    8. Re:So he was correct! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, their pretty much only single movie before the Matrix just sucked. It was SOOO unoriginal and a hack.

      Get a clue. Their creation is a hell of a lot better than a lot of the crap that has been pumped out this summer, and at least they created their world, unlike adopting someone else's and making trying to make that in their image. And their creations, plural, show that their creativity and storytelling are neither flukes or hacks.

  98. Gack! That POS is going to DVD???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, I wouldn't buy that DVD if it came with a free hummer from the porn star of my choice!

    What's the director's commentary gonna be like?

    "...Well, I told the studio, 'No way am I directing a shitty cliched movie starring two manufactured celebrities!' Then they put a gun to my head and told me something of mine was going on that contract-- my signature, or my brains. What would you have done? I got a family!..."

  99. Shocking news topic indeed by Jugalator · · Score: 1

    "Matrix Reloaded on DVD Before Revolutions"

    I could never have guessed!

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    Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
  100. whatever by MegaFur · · Score: 1

    This is noteworthy because normally there are large time spans between releases of DVDs and Sequels

    This is not noteworthy, nor should it have even been posted. (Just my opinion.) (It's just like my post--my post is pointless too, but I'm bored.)

    I find it amusing that Slashdot has chosen the two pills as the symbol for The Matrix, thereby accentuating the drug-taking aspect of the movie above all others.

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    Furry cows moo and decompress.
  101. Re:What the flying dutchman is going on here? by _xeno_ · · Score: 1
    For instance, I boycott McDonald's and the Olive Garden. As to why, I won't get into that.

    I boycott McDonalds too - because their food sucks. Unfortunately, I still like going to Boston Market (they still exist, at least out here in the Boston area). Boston Market has some of the highest-quality fast food you can get. But it turns out they're owned by McDonalds. D'oh!

    I also "boycott" the RIAA by not liking any of the current crap out there. I've bought something like five CDs in the past couple of years (RIAA CDs, that is - I also got some CDs from non-RIAA sources). I can't really boycott them any further - I haven't bought a CD at all this year, and have no plans to in the future. I also don't "share" music online, so they haven't "lost sales" that way, only by producing crap. It's a pity they'll never know and even if they did they'd blame the Internet.

    I also wonder how much boycotting really effects these companies, especially with something like the Boston Market/McDonalds thing up above. When Boston Market was owned by a local company (and was Boston Chicken), I could support them guilt-free. Now that they aren't, their mashed potatos suck. Er, I'm supporting another business I don't like. ("Oh, BTW, the vegetarian French fries kinda-sorta had beef fat in them.")

    Similar things happen with Sony. I don't buy any Sony music (not buying music at all helps with that), but I own a PS2 and purchase games for it, helping Sony anyway.

    I guess I wonder how much "voting with your dollar" really matters - it seems to be next to impossible to get boycotts up to critical mass where they'll actually have an effect. I suppose what I'm saying is that boycotting doesn't really have that much of an effect unless we can get a large number of friends to actually care enough to join in. Otherwise, I think boycotting what you actually like is rather pointless.

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  102. OT: Jelly Belly Every Flavor Beans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you tried the dirt flavored one? I was curious and it's AMAZING how much like dirt it really tastes. Too bad my girlfriend wasn't as impressed when I passed her one without telling her what it was.

  103. Um, you're a dork. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, dude. I wouldn't be bragging about those stats.

  104. Oh yes, I'm thrilled stuffed. by bitrott · · Score: 1

    Now you can witness the nadir of what was potentially the greatest sci-fi series of all times earlier than usual. Why, it's like Hollywood's been chugging exlax, while jogging, after an expensive meal. More crap faster!

  105. Lucas wasn't the first by Nurlman · · Score: 1

    I don't know-- I seem to recall seeing "re-issued" CDs (now "digitally remastered"!) with "bonus tracks" as early as, say, 1994 or so.

    Lucas first polished up SW for the "20th Anniversary" release circa 1997.

    Really, if somebody has to take the credit (blame) for the practice of dripping out tiny bits of new content to get you to buy the old product, it's the record industry.

    1. Re:Lucas wasn't the first by jwlidtnet · · Score: 1

      Exactly. The record industry is *the* pioneer of this marketing strategy, to the point where they don't bother trying to disguise it anymore. I.e. a few weeks from now, we'll be seeing "Absolutely the Best of the Doors," a super-new Greatest Hits comp with...one unreleased track. Yippie. Similarly, that Beach Boys hits collection that just came out had exactly one remix not featured elsewhere.

      This is blatant. And shameless. And nobody pretends it's anything else. Whereas the movie industry still tries to give it the old spin-cycle of "value added" and "real fans" and "newly discovered" and "fire walk with me."

      -D

  106. Re:Waiting for Laserdisc... by ari_j · · Score: 1

    Forcing? More money? I saw the first one on VHS and that's the extent of my direct experience with The Matrix.

  107. Not to be a butt-insky... by TheConfusedOne · · Score: 1

    (films above 2.5 hours are not good financially as they reduce the number of performances per day and hence the number of bums on seats of paying customers)

    Frankly I'd be worried if there was an excess number of bums on the seat of ANY paying customer... :-}

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  108. Perfect sense... by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This makes perfect sense to me. I was thinking about it the other day. When people walk out of the theaters after viewing a great movie, they want to buy it on DVD. For most movies, this isn't possible, and the people have to wait. But if the movie they just saw was a sequel, and its predecessor is available for purchase, the people will run out and buy it. So, to release a DVD weeks before its sequel comes out is marketing genius. It hypes the upcoming sequel and itself, and if the sequel is great in the theaters, the first will sell great for the home.

  109. More Likely... by default+luser · · Score: 1

    How about "The Matrices"?

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  110. I've got one word for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Interesting - I thought that Tank was written out because the Watchkowskis came to their sense and realized that the guy who played him had the acting skills of a four-year-old suffering from ADD after drinking 10 litres of Jolt Cola.

    Whoa.

  111. The real reason it is noteworthy... by lambadomy · · Score: 1

    The sequel is being released 6 months after the previous film. When do you expect them to release the DVD? This is only happening because they decided to release both movies in the same year. Wow, so exciting. But imagine if these movies were made by lucas, heck, we may not even have the first matrix dvd yet.

  112. I wish I could mod higher than 5. by sethadam1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That is friggin gut busting. Awesome.

    1. Re:I wish I could mod higher than 5. by aardwolf204 · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I'll be here all week. Be sure to tip your waitress.

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  113. A new breakthrough in home video marketing! by PostConsumerRecycled · · Score: 2, Funny
    Dark Helmet: "Colonel Sandurz can I speak with you a moment please ... How can we get Spaceballs the movie we're still in the middle of making it."

    In the future Spaceballs will be a reality, but then again "even in the future nothing works!"

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    1. Re:A new breakthrough in home video marketing! by sharkey · · Score: 1
      In the future Spaceballs will be a reality, but then again "even in the future nothing works!"

      "To Win32...and Beyond!"

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  114. The funny thing is by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    That I have a subscription to Netflix, and never even considered that option... so ingrained is the impulse to purchase The Second Matrix.

    I proclaim that at least for today, SuperDuG is indeed more super than SuperKendall.

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    1. Re:The funny thing is by SuperDuG · · Score: 1

      Dude, I thought I was the only person in the world to put super in front of their name. I don't know what to say, it's like meeting your long lost older brother for the first time. wicked weird. I say older because you have a smaller UID, of course mine is bigger ...

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  115. To be concluded... by docbrown42 · · Score: 1

    Oh no you didn't... you did not just insult my favorite movie EVER... Back to the Future!

    WB screwed it up. It should have read "TO BE CONCLUDED...", like in BttF2. Either that, or they are planning another move after Revolutions...

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    1. Re:To be concluded... by naner42 · · Score: 1

      it DID read that....

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  116. Fullscreen Garbage. I'd rather make my own movie. by hendridm · · Score: 1

    > Hence why most of us ... rent the video ... you are aware you can rent DVD's now

    Yeah, right. Our local videos stores seem to think the directors vision of the film was off base, thus stocking about 90% fullscreen titles and a remaining 10% of widescreen. Of course, the widescreen editions are always gone. I'm sure the fullscreen edition of The Matrix will be a nice treat.

    Now with 20% of the original film missing!

  117. Idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was blatantly obvious that 1) the Reloaded DVD would be released before Revolutions, and that 2) this release would happen a few weeks prior to the Revolutions openning. Any categorization of this event as "news" or "something that matters" is naive at best and serving as a tool for the propaganda machines at worst.

  118. Shocking turn of events! by dbasken · · Score: 1

    ...and in other shocking news, movie-sequel-makers release the current episode on dvd before they put the next episode in theaters. Film at noon, 1:30, 2:45, 5:50, 7:50, 9:50 and 10:55.

  119. ...and create your own bullet time by cloudless.net · · Score: 1

    Just hit "Pause" any time, and rotate yourself around the screen if you want.

    1. Re:...and create your own bullet time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck finding an interesting five-minute segment that doesn't already overdo the bullet time bit.

  120. finally october will come by sewagemaster · · Score: 1

    ... and everyone will acknowlege "there is no dvd"... ... just my centropy replica in my machine.... ergo, vis-a-vis, concurrently...

  121. The Holy Grail by Coppit · · Score: 1

    Tell me about it... As hilarious as Monty Python and the Holy Grail is, I can't stand to watch it through to the end.

  122. wow! by JewFish · · Score: 1

    A popular movie is going to be released on DVD, hmm wonder how often this happens? Its a shame /. doesn't tell me everytime a movie is going to be released DVD.

    From what I hear its allready been released on bittorrent.

  123. And just in time for Christmas... by nightsweat · · Score: 1

    The Matrix boxed set comes out. Of course, the smart money will wait for the next spring when the super-duper ultra-special Matrix boxed set with never before seen footage of Keanu Reeves picking his nose in bullet time comes out.

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  124. +1 Insightful by warpath · · Score: 1

    And me without my modpoints! Too bad this discussion wasn't yesterday.

    Nice post. Not only did you get what he was TRYING to say (which some of the other people replying seemed to miss) but you also got why he missed his mark.

    +1 Insightful

  125. Oi! You stole my sig! by cliveholloway · · Score: 1

    typical, bluddy typical ...

    And I bet you don't even know what a spoonerism is :)

    *sigh*

    cLive ;-)

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    1. Re:Oi! You stole my sig! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of dorse he cousin't!

  126. That's because... by Snaller · · Score: 1


    they know that after everybody has seen Revolutions nobody is going to buy Reloaded anymore!

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  127. WB's plan by mcp33p4n75 · · Score: 1

    Here's how i see it going down...

    1. October - Reloaded DVD.
    2. November - Revolutions in theatres.
    3. Easter - Revolutions on DVD.
    4. Christmas 2004 - Release Super-Duper Scum-Scrubbing Ultra Edition Boxed Set for Copophiliacs.
    5. ???????
    6. Profit!!!!!

    (Sorry, I just had to do the obligatory profit post :o)

  128. Great, can I get it without the *pathetic* sex? by aminorex · · Score: 1

    Now I don't complain about the comparative emptiness
    of Reloaded because I *understand* that it's only half
    of a movie, so of course it has only half of a plot, and
    the playground fight and the freeway fight more than
    make up for the lack of paradigmatic innovation by
    superlative implementation, but who the hell wrote in
    the utterly pathetic and pointless sex scene? Fire that
    man. And the direction! This could not be Wachowski
    doings -- no, not the director(s) of Bound. Whoever
    shot that crap should be pilloried without limit. How
    anyone could make Carrie-Anne as sexy as a tapir
    in a spittoon is a question to boggle the mind.

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  129. ... just rent the DVD by RowdyReptile · · Score: 1

    Or are you all boycotting Blockbuster, too? I didn't see it mentioned here, but seems like a quick rental would be a good alternative for the LOTR releases too. $4 or so lets you and all your friends watch Reloaded before you go see Revolutions in the theater, while you continue to wait for the boxed set of dvds to come out later. Just because a DVD is released and you want to watch it, doesn't mean you have to purchase it.

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  130. Red Pill Candy by Mercuria · · Score: 1

    Actually, if you watch the scene between Neo and the Oracle, right after he comes out of the "back doors" -- the one where she admit's she's a machine intellegence, but she wants to work with humans to solve the problems the Earth is facing rather than destroy again and again -- that candy she's eating, is the kind you're talking about. It's pretty significant, because she offers him some, says that he's already made the decision whether or not to eat it and she knows what that is, and then he eats one. So that candy really does symbolize the Red Pill.

  131. big deal... It was available by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

    on vcd the day it was released to the rip-off houses, er, ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H theatres..

  132. I have it, sorta. by NeuroManson · · Score: 1

    Someone released a direct film to video rip of the movie, complete with Dolby 5.1 sound about a couple of weeks back. It was in DiVX format, but clear enough to approach 1st or 2nd gen VHS.

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  133. Revolutions Should Clean Up at the Box Office by crashnbur · · Score: 1
    A DVD release 22 days before the next sequel comes out is beneficial in two key ways.

    First, the Matrix fanatics who love the story and saw Reloaded in theatres several times will watch it on DVD several times during that three-week span before rushing out to cram theatres for the Tuesday-night previews on November 4 (Election Day?).

    Second, those who were skeptical or otherwise missed Reloaded (and/or even the first film as well) will have three weeks to rent or buy the DVD/VHS tape in order to catch up on what they missed.

    A potential third could be that, because even Reloaded is so fresh, and because the entire trilogy is available for the first time, fanatics might be more likely to watch all three films several times in order to catch every tiny detail.

    In any case, the finale to an incredible story spells Box Office success. But I'm not going to see it for the money it can make. I could name a few good reasons to go see the film that might make me seem like I'm an egotistical know-it-all. While those reasons apply, let's just say that wire-fu, guns, explosions, and more philosophical problems than a movie should be able to handle are what's drawing me back.

    p.s.- Drop by the newsgroup ALT.MOVIES.THE-MATRIX to discuss the movies and their "universe".

  134. I'll throw you a bone. by Night+Goat · · Score: 1

    Darth Vader is Luke's father.

    1. Re:I'll throw you a bone. by mirko · · Score: 1

      I thought he was Austin Powers Father, we can hear his voice telling him this in TSWSM.

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  135. Gone from the cinema already by Scorchio · · Score: 1

    So I've been moving house and working over to meet deadlines, but it was just this past weekend that I decided to head off to the cinema to see the new Matrix film. Thing is, it's gone. None of the local cinemas are showing it any more. It was a choice of driving 40 miles south to a cinema that had a single showing at 7:05pm saturday, or 90 miles north for a cinema that was still running the film albeit in a broom cupboard or something.

    Someone, somewhere has decided that it would be better all round to take the matrix off and show Daddy Day Care instead.

    So, um, yeah, that DVD release couldn't come too soon...

  136. He Never Woke Up! Mwahahahah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's still in the Matrix, he just shifted to the "Alternate Matrix designed to occupy rebelious minds that won't accept the civilized Matrix".

    We'd guessed something like that after #1, then #2 just cemented it. Now to wait for whichever one spells it out in neon letters for the terminally dense... >^-^

    (Oh, and as you're slashdotters, I don't think you are in the terminally dense category!)

  137. Can anyone say "marathon"? by CrazyWingman · · Score: 1

    Sweet - I can't wait for opening night to see how many people are waiting in line with laptops watching 1 and 2 on DVD, timed just perfectly to start with 3 right afterward. Mmmmm...that's definately going to be one night of total loss of other productivity. :)

  138. Re:Waiting for Laserdisc... by sacherjj · · Score: 1

    They aren't forcing anyone to do anything. If I want to see Reloaded just before Revolutions, I'll pay a video store $3 to rent the DVD.

  139. The Deal by mobileskimo · · Score: 1

    i share your sentiments, but i'm sure you've already come to the same conclusion we all have. We pay the extra for the distribution, marketing and all the rigamarole that although might we label as "bullshit" is actually effective in generating mass appeal and attention to make it successfull enough to scale and plan the movie in the first place. What the executives pocket is an entirely different issue.

    What the brothers get paid is what they negotiated. It has nothing to do with what's fair value or what's fair share. While we get some amazing things due to the thanks of many greedy little men in the middle, I'd give it all away for fair economics, personal style. Did anyone say "barter" and "remote island"?

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    1. Re:The Deal by hellfire · · Score: 1

      Actually I haven't come to the conclusion yet. The executives control all that distribution and marketing etc, etc. My point is not what goes to everyone else, my point is to find out what goes to the "creators," the "artists."

      I've made it a point that if I am to support some piece of entertainment, that the creator/artist gets a decent cut. Obviously I won't get an answer 99.99999% of the times I ask but just maybe I'll get a few good answers.

      This is my counter point to anyone who says "don't pirate because the artist won't get what he deserves." He may not be getting what he deserves any way and I don't agree with the current business models that force such people to put out content for peanuts while executives rape them.

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  140. Most likey reason for the early release of Matrix by digtl88 · · Score: 1

    They are probably rushing the release of the second matrix to use it to promote the new one. If people are buying the second one than they will rush out to see the third one.