IE can certainly be removed from windows. I've done it several times. It's a huge pain in the ass, and it's not something that the average user-at-large would want to consider doing, but it can be done. So to put it bluntly, IE != Windows.
Would you mind posting a few links for your extraordinary claim? No, I don't believe 98Lite does it.
Ahhh! I've stepped into another God Damn troll hole. Why on earth are you sitting around here making excuses for M$ crap? The bottom line is that people trusting M$ BS are subject to yet another email attack. Kudos to you if you manage to torture that platform enough to keep your game box from being destroyed, but that amount of effort put elswhere could earn you a living instead of Bill Gates. I prefer to be free.
up2date on Red Hat is nice, but apt-get on Debian is free in all ways. With a few sites specified in/etc/apt/sources.list and the subject, you update worries are over.
Why can't M$ get a patch out in the "few days" of warning they had? Because they are too bussy breaking other people's applications to fix their own code. M$ is rulled by the $, don't think engineering has any power any more. If PR and management wanted a good reputation, you would think they would quit trying to screw everyone.
I'm sure in Linux-world you never have to make compromises in functionality, right?
You are correct Mr. Total Shit WinZig! Linux distros use standard communications protocalls to get updates to you, MD5 sums to check the package and well defined, open source, free methods to upgrade.
Why would anyone in a free world try to invent some stupid buggy propriatory closed up methods to replace accpeted practice? To fuck you, that's why. Give me all your money, says Mr. Gates. TCP/M$ at work for you.
Supprise, other people will find the hole and abuse it. I seem to recall a few "spam mails" opening up on my machine behind the company firewall a few weeks ago. It would be OK, because MSIE is so slow I could kill it before it finished reading the proxy script. But then I reported it and some dumb ass at the exchange group remoted into my machine and activated the stupid thing while I was not there. Great. I wonder what it did to me and what it will do to the "enterprise". Oh yes, I tried to turn off scripting by changing the association types to NotePad, but I see there is a new Leet trick with the left hand for protection these days. Thank you SOOOO much for the belated and usless tip about "prompt" mode. The black hats have struck again, weeks before notification, and more weeks before correction.
98Lite looks interesting, but Win9X won't run without IE as too much of the OS has been mulched into it. Try actually removing IE and see what happens. =;) Holy no boot, bat-man.
What a classic troll. Long winded, running from opinions that seem reasonable to the ignorant through outrageous logical errors to insult. Let's start with the outrageous and work backward.
On a more straightforward level, and again look at the recent GNU libc license issue, RMS is basically a nut-case and a control freak. If he has any real control over the GNOME board, it will NOT cause the GNOME board to make better or even more rational choices. I think it would be downright sad to watch a lot of good work from a lot of dedicated people become hijacked by a nut-case and made irrelevant.
It is impossible for anyone to "hijack" free code. The source is free and anyone can fix it to their liking. It's called a fork, it's happened many times before and we are all better off for it. Look at all the choices free software has given you. Window managers are a good example, there are dozens if not hundreds of good window managers that all work on top of XFree86. Advocating that kind of freedom hardly makes someone a "nut case and a control freak".
RMS represents pretty much the extreme of trying to prevent people from using what he considers "non-free" software. He routinely uses both license and PR to try to discourage "non-free" software. If he were in a position to do so, I'd expect him to work to work hard to prevent or at least strongly discourage "non-free" software from being able to use GNOME, for example by trying to force changes in the licensing.
What bullshit. Free software was started on non free platforms and no one wants to prevent anyone from using whatever they want. No one has a beef with functionality. While it's hard to understand why anyone would surrender their rights to use software for any purpose they chose, modify that code to suit themselves and share those modifications, no one will keep you from doing it. Free software is all about user freedom and NOT telling other people what to do with their computers. RMS's license is grounded in sound thought and will not change. The concerns you have are all legacies of comercial software.
It's pretty well known that Mir had a funny smell inside, but the recycler _worked_,
Don't forget the mold, mildew and condensation that plauged the place and made everything unreliable. The US Navy has extensive experience with such systems for submarines and though I've heard of smells I've never heard of anything like MIR's problems. Why use something second rate?
M$ installs are more difficult. Red Hat and Debian are both much easier. Assides from reboot issues, the one or two install disks have ALL the software and drivers you might need. When you are finished with the W2k, 98, XP, ME install you are left with typical M$ half functionality. You will then be goaded to buy expensive comercial junk that M$ will own or break. When you are finished with a Linux install you are left with a system that does what you want it to and can easily be expanded.
The largest problem with Linux installs comes from Windoze bassed intentional hardware obfuscasion. There may be 100s network cards bassed on NE 2000 that can be run by a single driver, for example. M$ makes you have the specific brand name driver to work the $10 ass pain. Sound hardware is even worse. Free software avoids this as nothing is hidden. The information is on the web now, and more companies will be dumping that little M$ flag for the sake of honest development.
My problems have been few with Linux. Either a driver is available and it works or it's not. With M$, it was only a matter of time before something would break the registry and devices failed.
You've got to wonder how far this is going to get without commercial support. If the thing remains pure, then that's great-- but there's only so far it can go.
Ahem, the whole point is that the comercial shit has clogged and ruined the first net. The perversity is that the backbones are NOT being used. The bandwith has been drooled out to a few select companies who are bussy trying to control it and rape the public for access. The article claims:
Geant and Internet2 are not separate from the physical network of fibre optic cables and telephone lines that serve today's commercial internet... What both networks do is buy connectivity on the open market from the telecommunications network operators, and then earmark it for research purposes only. They don't lay any new cables and they don't dig up the road.
While I have little faith that it will happen, some government regulation along the lines of electric utilities would be useful here. A garanteed, but modest, rate of return for investment and regulations in the public interest would be a much nicer and better way to fund and develop the net than the current Rapist Cartel. $160/month for DSL? You heard it here. Give me a freaking break! As things are, the owners of the new media are striving to control it and make it more like cable TV. Adverts and overcharging all parties is not the best way to foster the new media. So what does your piece of the bandwith look like?
Even companies such as McDonald's, Johnson & Johnson and Ford are keenly watching developments on the new networks. The fast food chain has already shown interest in the tele-immersion experiments being run on Internet2.
Would you like fries with that teleconference? Yeah right. My current ISP won't let me host email, ftp or html. I doubt that they will let me host my own video.
In fact, there's a very virtuous cycle where people do free things, some people find that adequate, sometimes companies will take that work and turn it into commercial products, those companies will hire people, pay taxes.
"All your base are belong to us". Amazing! He's addmitted that he thinks his company should be free to exploit the labor of others without compensation and be the only conduit of that free effort in any "adequate" form. This does not do much for my view of M$. I'm waiting for anything M$ that is the equal of Debian, Red Hat or OpenBSD, and therefore adequate.
It's the blind leading the blind. Bill, where is your mind?
It's becoming increasingly clear that P2P file sharing is here to stay
That is not obvious. The public resource used to share files is increasingly deminished. Reference SSCA, DCMA, and the horror stories being told about the demise of DSL. If no one is alowed to serve because very wires between our houses are owned by those who wish to cheat us, we loose. This stupid music and movie bullshit is the tool that will accomplish the destruction of the web. Stand by for inordinate government regulation designed to protect the proffits of large publishers and telcos. Do you have a license for that ftp broadcaster? Have you paid your static IP tax designed to pay for the upkeep of the media? The history of radio broadcasts is a roadmap for the web.
I once thought such ravings were paranoid. Now I know they are true.
quoth the article:
Goldman analysts said. "We believe corporate IT departments are now gradually replacing their desktop operating systems, with lengthy evaluations of Windows 2000 desktop software now moving into the implementation phase," Sherlund and Conigliaro wrote
What evaluation? Where I work, we are just putting in the W2K problem. The leases are expiring and that's what comes on the replacements. It's as simple as that, the VENDOR is giving it to the company. There are over 160 applications that have not been tested and will only be tested when the new box is on the desk. What a bad joke! No one really looked at alternatives, they are just doing it.
Big companies sometimes have their head up their ass. Mention of alternatives gets me talk of, "dude you are talking about something company wide here". Duh, I'm not suitably awed. If it works for 1, it should work for 10,000.
To my mind, at least, it would be an accolade to say that someone represented hackers, crypographers and computer scientists. Better that than lawyers, congressmen and fbi agents.
CNet has identified a bunch of "others" that the EFF represents. Why not say that EFF represents COMPUTER USERS? They are the group identified when some new M$ transmitted disease is reported. The EFF is devoted to protecting everyone's rights to free speech, they just happen to specialize in digital speech. The author did not feel like he was part of that group.
Sure, I'd like to think I'm a hacker. I bought a house that had an extra bedroom to devote to my hobbies. Ah, so many pleasant hours spent there, but it is trivial and in vain if I can not share it. The negative terms associated with that word keeps me from using it. See also this and that dictionary for more unflattering meanings.
The blind have gotten a tremendous shaft from the WWW maintainers. Don't think so? Try surfing with images turned off! Most pages start off with a blizard of adverts, banners and other junk that gets in the way of real content. Think about having to listen to the same 12 item banner for each new page that contains one or two images, no real links and something dumb for text like a copyright notice. Many government sites are well designed. Other sites like Slashdot can be customized but many have gone in the exact opposite direction. Using images for navigation might look nice, but it usually is not.
M$'s Front Page is one of the worst offenders. It's full of useless font adjustments and other needless code. Worse, it lables images crypticaly and encourages all of the worst practices.
As Bill Gates once said, software is what is lacking in a world full of technology. He aims to keep it that way for those who trust him.
The article's sound bite:
The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), which has represented hackers, cryptographers and computer scientists in its push for digital rights..
Is considerably at variance with the EFF's description of themselves. I'd say the EFF is closer to the truth. They represent all of us not just a minority that can be Reasonably And inconsequentially Discriminated against.
I have heard of an infant that is calmed by a vacuum cleaner. The child used to cry when it's mother left it to shower. The child stopped crying when it heard the blow drier and knew mom was not far. The mom noticed and put a vacuum cleaner in the room with the child and it worked. The child often falls to sleep with the vacuum cleaner on. No the child is not deaf now.
A secondary problem is the definition of "Reasonable and non-Discriminatory" (RAND) licensing terms. We have already seen how such a term could damage the open implementation of the protocols of the Internet. If applied in the same way here, Open Source/Free Software products would be explicitly excluded.
RED ALERT! Reasonable is being defined as excluding free software! Breaking implimentations on a hobby platform can't be all that bad right? Those kooks only have 10% of the "market" right? Who cares if they can interface with M$? Ahhhh! Stupidity compounded. Does something have to make money to be protected by US law? Expand this to hardware, like BIOS, throw in DCMA anti-reverse engineering badness and free software is outlawed.
I don't need SAMBA because I don't use M$. I encourage my friends to do the same and so should you. It's not just an issue of freedom, technical superiority, cost and ease of use anymore... well yes it is.
It's insulting. It's a computer conference, right? It's supposed to be attended by computer professionals, right? You would expect many to own laptops and for many to conduct their business on those laptops. This ban, while not a violation of rights, shows contempt for the people attending. They are being treated like the "consumers" the folks putting the show on would like them to be.
Line right up folks and spend your money. Pfththth!
The point was that reppresive and unamerican measures fail to prevent crime. No justification of criminal acts, such as blowing up school busses or office buildings, was implied. I could just as well have pointed to the German and Russian conquest of Warsaw, or the French underground. National IDs, racial biggotry, ethinic cleansing, laws agains all things that could be considered weapons, death penalties, extrajudical killings, etc, can not and will not stop determined resistance or criminals. Assasins will continue to kill Israeli soldiers, and criminals will continue to kill innocent Israli citizens. The ablsolute lock down that Palestinians live under, while unjust and indefensible, is also futile. It is a good example of the worthlesness of the half measures imposed on the visitors to Comdex.
The topic is Comdex and their worthless un-American "security". The sins of others are only tangentially related as exapmles of futile behavior we should neither approve of nor tollerate.
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Would you mind posting a few links for your extraordinary claim? No, I don't believe 98Lite does it.
Ahhh! I've stepped into another God Damn troll hole. Why on earth are you sitting around here making excuses for M$ crap? The bottom line is that people trusting M$ BS are subject to yet another email attack. Kudos to you if you manage to torture that platform enough to keep your game box from being destroyed, but that amount of effort put elswhere could earn you a living instead of Bill Gates. I prefer to be free.
Why can't M$ get a patch out in the "few days" of warning they had? Because they are too bussy breaking other people's applications to fix their own code. M$ is rulled by the $, don't think engineering has any power any more. If PR and management wanted a good reputation, you would think they would quit trying to screw everyone.
You are correct Mr. Total Shit WinZig! Linux distros use standard communications protocalls to get updates to you, MD5 sums to check the package and well defined, open source, free methods to upgrade.
Why would anyone in a free world try to invent some stupid buggy propriatory closed up methods to replace accpeted practice? To fuck you, that's why. Give me all your money, says Mr. Gates. TCP/M$ at work for you.
Supprise, other people will find the hole and abuse it. I seem to recall a few "spam mails" opening up on my machine behind the company firewall a few weeks ago. It would be OK, because MSIE is so slow I could kill it before it finished reading the proxy script. But then I reported it and some dumb ass at the exchange group remoted into my machine and activated the stupid thing while I was not there. Great. I wonder what it did to me and what it will do to the "enterprise". Oh yes, I tried to turn off scripting by changing the association types to NotePad, but I see there is a new Leet trick with the left hand for protection these days. Thank you SOOOO much for the belated and usless tip about "prompt" mode. The black hats have struck again, weeks before notification, and more weeks before correction.
Why, oh why, does my company use this shit?
98Lite looks interesting, but Win9X won't run without IE as too much of the OS has been mulched into it. Try actually removing IE and see what happens. =;) Holy no boot, bat-man.
Seems that that little slip exposes a great deal of anti-M$ bias. Not good for a supposed "news source".
Just try running without IE. I'll pass on the M$ bulletin as none of that junk is corrupting any of my machines.
Everyone is biased but God, but he might not like you and Bill Gates either.
On a more straightforward level, and again look at the recent GNU libc license issue, RMS is basically a nut-case and a control freak. If he has any real control over the GNOME board, it will NOT cause the GNOME board to make better or even more rational choices. I think it would be downright sad to watch a lot of good work from a lot of dedicated people become hijacked by a nut-case and made irrelevant.
It is impossible for anyone to "hijack" free code. The source is free and anyone can fix it to their liking. It's called a fork, it's happened many times before and we are all better off for it. Look at all the choices free software has given you. Window managers are a good example, there are dozens if not hundreds of good window managers that all work on top of XFree86. Advocating that kind of freedom hardly makes someone a "nut case and a control freak".
RMS represents pretty much the extreme of trying to prevent people from using what he considers "non-free" software. He routinely uses both license and PR to try to discourage "non-free" software. If he were in a position to do so, I'd expect him to work to work hard to prevent or at least strongly discourage "non-free" software from being able to use GNOME, for example by trying to force changes in the licensing.
What bullshit. Free software was started on non free platforms and no one wants to prevent anyone from using whatever they want. No one has a beef with functionality. While it's hard to understand why anyone would surrender their rights to use software for any purpose they chose, modify that code to suit themselves and share those modifications, no one will keep you from doing it. Free software is all about user freedom and NOT telling other people what to do with their computers. RMS's license is grounded in sound thought and will not change. The concerns you have are all legacies of comercial software.
Cheap is good because it spreads out the knowledge base. We want to get at resources beyond our planet sooner than later. This will help.
Don't forget the mold, mildew and condensation that plauged the place and made everything unreliable. The US Navy has extensive experience with such systems for submarines and though I've heard of smells I've never heard of anything like MIR's problems. Why use something second rate?
The largest problem with Linux installs comes from Windoze bassed intentional hardware obfuscasion. There may be 100s network cards bassed on NE 2000 that can be run by a single driver, for example. M$ makes you have the specific brand name driver to work the $10 ass pain. Sound hardware is even worse. Free software avoids this as nothing is hidden. The information is on the web now, and more companies will be dumping that little M$ flag for the sake of honest development.
My problems have been few with Linux. Either a driver is available and it works or it's not. With M$, it was only a matter of time before something would break the registry and devices failed.
Friends don't help friends install M$ trash.
Ahem, the whole point is that the comercial shit has clogged and ruined the first net. The perversity is that the backbones are NOT being used. The bandwith has been drooled out to a few select companies who are bussy trying to control it and rape the public for access. The article claims: Geant and Internet2 are not separate from the physical network of fibre optic cables and telephone lines that serve today's commercial internet ... What both networks do is buy connectivity on the open market from the telecommunications network operators, and then earmark it for research purposes only. They don't lay any new cables and they don't dig up the road.
While I have little faith that it will happen, some government regulation along the lines of electric utilities would be useful here. A garanteed, but modest, rate of return for investment and regulations in the public interest would be a much nicer and better way to fund and develop the net than the current Rapist Cartel. $160/month for DSL? You heard it here. Give me a freaking break! As things are, the owners of the new media are striving to control it and make it more like cable TV. Adverts and overcharging all parties is not the best way to foster the new media. So what does your piece of the bandwith look like?
Even companies such as McDonald's, Johnson & Johnson and Ford are keenly watching developments on the new networks. The fast food chain has already shown interest in the tele-immersion experiments being run on Internet2.
Would you like fries with that teleconference? Yeah right. My current ISP won't let me host email, ftp or html. I doubt that they will let me host my own video.
Fuck them all!
"All your base are belong to us". Amazing! He's addmitted that he thinks his company should be free to exploit the labor of others without compensation and be the only conduit of that free effort in any "adequate" form. This does not do much for my view of M$. I'm waiting for anything M$ that is the equal of Debian, Red Hat or OpenBSD, and therefore adequate.
It's the blind leading the blind. Bill, where is your mind?
That is not obvious. The public resource used to share files is increasingly deminished. Reference SSCA, DCMA, and the horror stories being told about the demise of DSL. If no one is alowed to serve because very wires between our houses are owned by those who wish to cheat us, we loose. This stupid music and movie bullshit is the tool that will accomplish the destruction of the web. Stand by for inordinate government regulation designed to protect the proffits of large publishers and telcos. Do you have a license for that ftp broadcaster? Have you paid your static IP tax designed to pay for the upkeep of the media? The history of radio broadcasts is a roadmap for the web.
I once thought such ravings were paranoid. Now I know they are true.
What evaluation? Where I work, we are just putting in the W2K problem. The leases are expiring and that's what comes on the replacements. It's as simple as that, the VENDOR is giving it to the company. There are over 160 applications that have not been tested and will only be tested when the new box is on the desk. What a bad joke! No one really looked at alternatives, they are just doing it.
Big companies sometimes have their head up their ass. Mention of alternatives gets me talk of, "dude you are talking about something company wide here". Duh, I'm not suitably awed. If it works for 1, it should work for 10,000.
Security? Everyone knows it's a joke.
CNet has identified a bunch of "others" that the EFF represents. Why not say that EFF represents COMPUTER USERS? They are the group identified when some new M$ transmitted disease is reported. The EFF is devoted to protecting everyone's rights to free speech, they just happen to specialize in digital speech. The author did not feel like he was part of that group.
Sure, I'd like to think I'm a hacker. I bought a house that had an extra bedroom to devote to my hobbies. Ah, so many pleasant hours spent there, but it is trivial and in vain if I can not share it. The negative terms associated with that word keeps me from using it. See also this and that dictionary for more unflattering meanings.
M$'s Front Page is one of the worst offenders. It's full of useless font adjustments and other needless code. Worse, it lables images crypticaly and encourages all of the worst practices.
As Bill Gates once said, software is what is lacking in a world full of technology. He aims to keep it that way for those who trust him.
Is considerably at variance with the EFF's description of themselves. I'd say the EFF is closer to the truth. They represent all of us not just a minority that can be Reasonably And inconsequentially Discriminated against.
Better ?flourinate? it.
Heat is a terrible thing to waste. Mine will make coffee.
I have heard of an infant that is calmed by a vacuum cleaner. The child used to cry when it's mother left it to shower. The child stopped crying when it heard the blow drier and knew mom was not far. The mom noticed and put a vacuum cleaner in the room with the child and it worked. The child often falls to sleep with the vacuum cleaner on. No the child is not deaf now.
Cool, but can you fit such a drive in Texas?
Let's celebrate the downfall of the USSR by making ourselves like them.
A secondary problem is the definition of "Reasonable and non-Discriminatory" (RAND) licensing terms. We have already seen how such a term could damage the open implementation of the protocols of the Internet. If applied in the same way here, Open Source/Free Software products would be explicitly excluded.
RED ALERT! Reasonable is being defined as excluding free software! Breaking implimentations on a hobby platform can't be all that bad right? Those kooks only have 10% of the "market" right? Who cares if they can interface with M$? Ahhhh! Stupidity compounded. Does something have to make money to be protected by US law? Expand this to hardware, like BIOS, throw in DCMA anti-reverse engineering badness and free software is outlawed.
I don't need SAMBA because I don't use M$. I encourage my friends to do the same and so should you. It's not just an issue of freedom, technical superiority, cost and ease of use anymore... well yes it is.
Everyone drew, there was one big noise and no one walked out alive!
Line right up folks and spend your money. Pfththth!
The topic is Comdex and their worthless un-American "security". The sins of others are only tangentially related as exapmles of futile behavior we should neither approve of nor tollerate.