Ya, that is a description of every religion I know of:
Superior being, lives "up above" somehow Get power or special priveledges Get special treatment after death Live forevever Boogey man out to get you Only we can save you Give us money
Blah blah.
They are every much a religion as every other religion, and just like every other religion, if their practitions do something illegal, prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
No other religion would try to cover up its 'priests' did something illegal would they?
I am not a scientologist, but lets not be hypocrites when it comes to who's fairytale is the "real" one.
There needs to be an independent 3rd party who vulnerabilities in _deployments_ can be reported to.
Then they can contact the vulnerable organization, give them time to fix it and if they don't, publish the vulnerability. This protects the White Hat.
I can't tell you how many web sites I have found with various vulnerabilities that once I tried to contact someone to notify them they totally ignored it.
We are paying the costs for their insecurity in various ways already (credit card fraud comes to mind) yet we have no way to help prevent it!
I can't get to the anonymizer.com site, but if they are not SSL to the anonymize proxy server, its worse than no security, as it's clear text for sniffing with the illusion of security and will surley get people killed if they falsely make use of it.
Otherwise it only makes you anonymous to the site your a visiting. Not the effect they are going for I'm sure.
Even the attempts to connect to the changing ip address as the article states could be tracked and used to identify people trying to use the service, expect a visit if you do this.
Remember the government controls all the wires in the country, it's trivial to sniff the traffic or track usage on the proxy server they use I'm sure.
I would think they would be better off funding GPG so the people could communicate with each other freely and organize. Also no worry about black lists or gambling, or reading slashdot.
It allows for no more abuse than SSL and authentication to a forum site on the web and is probably more accessable to users in Iran anyway.
And it seems more realistic than one point of failure/survelance like anonymizer.com.
Becareful if you use this, make sure you understand how it works and what protections it really provides.
I guess schizophrenia is just a matter of self discipline as well? or altzheimers?
I agree sometimes ADD is self discipline related, but not in all cases.
Your attitude of blaming them for being weak or whatever is typical.
Several drugs, in double blind studies, have dramatically increased how well and the duration people can perform concentration type tasks.
How do you explain that?
Everything in our brians is checmicals: emotions, perceptions, feelings etc. To think that concentration, ann obviously physical activity chemically speaking, cannot be affected by the rate at which chemicals are produced by our bodies is just willfully ignorant.
Good for you if you dont have it, I am glad you don't, but for once stop making simplistic judements about other people when you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
I dont have it either, and like I said, sometimes it is probably just a matter of self (or parental) discipline but I am at least open to the idea that some folks probably have a chemical variance that affects it.
I believe the same thing about weigh gain, some folks just process suger differently and some people over eat for emotional reasons, but it doesnt mean _all_ overweight people are that way for any single reason.
My advice to this gentleman is to see about trying non medicial solutions and practices that might help first. Meditation, mental self programming are both good to try and learn about, even if you end up also needing medication.
There are groups and books about good things that ADD folks can do to help, I am sure many of those techniques probably would help many non ADD folks as well.
SCO and TrollTech somewhat owned by same company
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The Canopy group primarily owns SCO (those evil people) and a big chunk of TrollTech.
"Caldera Systems, Inc. is a Canopy Group holding under the Ray Noorda/Canopy Group Investment Company. Ray Noorda is the former CEO of Novell, Inc. (NASDAQ:NOVL)"
And from the TrollTech site, you can see Canopy, along with SCO group own about 6% of trolltech too.
Take a look at the Canopy group main website and be sure to not patronize any of their other 20 or so "Portfolio Companies" like me.
Well, 1. my wifi point is a receiver, and I am not sure if you should be allowed to do anything to my receiver, that is rather different, I am not doing anything to a receiver on their bird, just using what is in my yard or house they put there.
But, 2. If I am broadcasting my traffic and it extends beyond my property into the public space or my neighbor's space, then yes, they and you can do what you want with them, its my fault for letting it happen.
Now I'm off to build a feraday cage around my yard:)
There is a neat game that uses java to make robots. Starting very simple, as you learn to program you make more powerful robots to compete against others.
I am on the conference call right now, and the question was just asked about this.
They claim that the transfer contract "as a whole" makes it clear they were supposed to get the copyrights as well. They say it was just a contract technicality that they didn't get all the copyrights.
They say they are confident they will win any litigation about copyright ownership.
They said they interviewed all the signers of the contract and they all agreed it was supposed to include the copyrights as well.
The whole explination sounded pretty weak to me.
Bookmarklet RIAA Detector
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If you use Moz you can add a bookmarklet that will tell you if an album is distributed by an RIAA memeber.
This is from their website:
What is RIAA Radar?
The RIAA Radar is a tool that music consumers can use to easily and instantly distinguish whether an album was released by a member of the Recording Industry Association of America.
Neat.
Re:Sourceforge / Savannah / Debian SF/ GForge HUH?
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I know lots of people can do a better job but here is my breakdown:
Sourceforge - Was supported as on open source project by VA software. Last public version was 2.6, VA promised a cleaned up 2.7 since 2.6 and below were really a mess, all sourceforge.net specific hardcoded names, paths, databases, hosts, etc.
VA never came through and cleaned up the thing.
Debain Sourceforge - was born while VA still supported sourceforge as open source. It is an excellent, cleaned up 2.5/2.6 sourceforge codebase that uses all the benefits of apt to install sourceforge and all the associated programs (mail, listmanager, cvs, ssh, web, ftp, ldap, postgress). This was almost impossible before debian sourceforge made it possilbe.
Savannah - a sourceforge 2.5 installation, i dont think its distributed really, or actively developed. it was just a successful minor clean up so it would run of the sf codebase. it is primarily for use by gnu developers.
gforge - all praise their gods, tim perdue was allowed to work on sf code again, he was the father of the sourceforge system. as soon as he was legally allowed to work on the code again, he started the gforge project. it is a much cleaned up and simplified version of sourcefore, maybe even a major rewrite i forget.
now get this, gforge and debian sourceforge projects have pooled resources so you can still use the excellent debain installation tools to get a fully working gforge installation now too!!
the above is mostly accurate i think, if its not apologies, it is just too late here for me to look it all up like you could have;)
I think these online role playing games are really the future of gameing (and much greater human interaction in general, but that is another story).
People seem to love the community they build as well as like to just have little video game super hero represenations of themselves to goof around with, at least I do:)
I think there are already some OSS projects desiged for this type of game development server side, but I couldn't find any on a quick search.
i know grep very well, but it doesn't apply here i dont think.
1. i cant grep google's db of the web.
2. the power of grep is in regex, here i dont need any pattern matching, i am looking for arbitrary large exact sub strings in a rolling fashion to provide a more info about the nature of the docs it finds the matches in.
I have wanted to make a quick application that searches google using an automated, user definable sub-set of words as a string of a larger work to try and find other works by an author or discover if something might be derivative of another work.
For example:
"Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their counry"
My app, with a user defined word sub string of 4 would first search for:
"Now is the time" "is the time for" "the time for all" "time for all good" "for all good men"
etc...
until it had searched for the entire thing 4 words at a time.
It would collect the urls of say the first 50 matches for each sub string and then correlate which urls had multiple sub strings appearing.
The url with the most hits would likely be the document or the document the one I was analyzing came from.
You would tune the number of words in the sub-string to try and filter out non matches or find more matches if you were not finding enough.
That is was my quick idea for finding documents that were plagerize or maybe other works by a letter writer.
I think with google's open api it could be done pretty easy, next free week I get I will write it maybe. Any feedback on my logic here would be appreciated of course.
Counter intuitive, but it is the influx of fresh water that is the problem, not volume. The decrease in salinity will have devistating effects on our weather patterns.
This was covered in slashdot, but i can't turn it up at the moment.
Here is what the Director if the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution has to say about it:
"When I say "dramatic," I mean: Average winter temperatures could drop by 5 degrees Fahrenheit over much of the United States, and by 10 degrees in the northeastern United States and in Europe. That's enough to send mountain glaciers advancing down from the Alps. To freeze rivers and harbors and bind North Atlantic shipping lanes in ice. To disrupt the operation of ground and air transportation. To cause energy needs to soar exponentially. To force wholesale changes in agricultural practices and fisheries. To change the way we feed our populations. In short, the world, and the world economy, would be drastically different.
And when I say "abrupt," I mean: These changes could happen within a decade, and they could persist for hundreds of years. You could see the changes in your lifetime, and your grandchildren's grandchildren will still be confronting them.
And when I say "soon," I mean: In just the past year, we have seen ominous signs that we may be headed toward a potentially dangerous threshold. If we cross it, Earth's climate could switch gears and jump very rapidly--not gradually-- into a completely different mode of operation."
--Dr. Robert B. Gagosian, President and Director of Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
I looked over your site, I couldn't find anything about the controversy you had with an application that let you adjust the settings so fonts could be embedded in documents.
Could you post a summary and/or link to that information here if you get a second please?
Very nice fonts and thank you for contributing them to the world.
Maybe they could save a few bucks by not paying to have the Ottawa Senators stadium named after them.
The Corel Center naming rights must cost a few bucks.
http://www.corelcentre.com/index2.aro
February 27, 1996 The Palladium is renamed the "Corel Centre" in a 20 year, multi-million dollar agreement with the internationally-known, Ottawa-based software company. The new identity positions the Corel Centre as the highest-technology sports and entertainment facility in the world.
Excellent interview and responses, a very educational read for anyone who deals with firewalls and packet filtering. It should become part of the pf docs.
He is very modest, but I like the sounds of some of the things he is doing. Here are some solid, specific things pf is doing that I dont think other packet filters are doing, ask your vendor how they are handling these same types of issues.
This is why pf sounds like it will be very good (direct quotes from the article):
... [about the kernel integration]... we just call a single function, pf_test(), from ip_input() and ip_output(), where all packets from network interfaces pass. Additionally, the function is called from the bridge code and after encapsulated packets are unwrapped, so encapsulated packets pass through pf at every layer. [security enhancement]
... The stateful connection tracking is based directly on Guido van Rooij's work (which is also the basis for IPFilter).... To prevent attackers from tearing down connections, for instance with spoofed RSTs, the packet filter checks the sequence numbers in each TCP packet. Only the two peers involved in the connection (and the hops in between them) know the right sequence numbers. Guido's work shows how to keep lower and upper bounds on the sequence numbers given only the (incomplete) information the packet filter has, with a precision and beauty similar to the one you can find in a mathematic proof. [security enhancement]
... pf can randomize sequence numbers for hosts that have predictable ISN [initial sequence number] generators. [security enhancement]
... Fragment reassembly and normalization (eliminating ambiguities in packets that a receiver might interpret in different ways) was written by Niels Provos, based on Vern Paxson's work. This is something very useful I haven't seen implemented in a packet filter before... Reassembling fragments allows the filter to deal only with complete packets, reducing the rule set complexity. In my opinion, it's well worth the additional cost. pf allows to specify what packets to normalize in which ways, so you can handle notoriously fragmented but otherwise known-good traffic separately. [security enhancement]
... pf implicitly creates state for all translated [NAT'ed] connections and stores the information needed for translation in the state entry. This simplifies and reduces lookups. [speed/security enhancement]
... [Skip Steps] And this is what skip steps are. For each parameter in each filter rule, the number of subsequent rules that specify the exact same value are counted. When, during evaluation of a rule, a parameter is found to not match, evaluation is not necessarily continued on the very next rule, but all subsequent rules that can't possibly match are skipped. [speed enhancement]
If you are basically admitting your product/service doesn't work, to the point where you are taking legal action with the failure of your service as the basis of the suit, then all your customers should be demanding a refund.
I think sourceforge could help you out a lot. Stay away from the alexandria project, it was not a very good public project when it was active and has been in active for about a year now, use the debian-sourceforge packages hosted on savanna:
This project is a _working_ easy to install sourceforge system based on the last known public sources before VA pulled it in and made it proprietary again.
The two main authors (lo-lan-do and cbayle) have done an outstanding job fixing bugs and hard coded stuff VA left in there (which I think they did on purpose to make it hard to install so you had to pay them their USD100k to install it for you basically) and getting a nearly fully functional system that is accessible to all.
I like sf as a development management system very much, even though the public version they left out there is far from perfect, with several features missing that I think are close to essential for a dev mgt system, but overall I am more than willing to live without them for the rest of the features of sf and its easy to use interface for end users.
If you don't know the nightmare of installing the old 2.0 or 2.5 version then you will not appreciate fully the work of these two folks to bring sf to the average user. My thanks to them and I encourage anyone who might make use of their packages to contribute back to them in some way to say thank you.
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Ya, that is a description of every religion I know of:
Superior being, lives "up above" somehow
Get power or special priveledges
Get special treatment after death
Live forevever
Boogey man out to get you
Only we can save you
Give us money
Blah blah.
They are every much a religion as every other religion, and just like every other religion, if their practitions do something illegal, prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
No other religion would try to cover up its 'priests' did something illegal would they?
I am not a scientologist, but lets not be hypocrites when it comes to who's fairytale is the "real" one.
There needs to be an independent 3rd party who vulnerabilities in _deployments_ can be reported to.
Then they can contact the vulnerable organization, give them time to fix it and if they don't, publish the vulnerability. This protects the White Hat.
I can't tell you how many web sites I have found with various vulnerabilities that once I tried to contact someone to notify them they totally ignored it.
We are paying the costs for their insecurity in various ways already (credit card fraud comes to mind) yet we have no way to help prevent it!
That needs to change.
How many of you are using GPG, have a public key and are encryping your email communication?
"But it doesn't work with Outlook."
Your security and privacy were voluntarily given up long ago.
The rest of us ( I didn't put up my hand either ) should go download it now:
http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/index.html
I can't get to the anonymizer.com site, but if they are not SSL to the anonymize proxy server, its worse than no security, as it's clear text for sniffing with the illusion of security and will surley get people killed if they falsely make use of it.
Otherwise it only makes you anonymous to the site your a visiting. Not the effect they are going for I'm sure.
Even the attempts to connect to the changing ip address as the article states could be tracked and used to identify people trying to use the service, expect a visit if you do this.
Remember the government controls all the wires in the country, it's trivial to sniff the traffic or track usage on the proxy server they use I'm sure.
I would think they would be better off funding GPG so the people could communicate with each other freely and organize. Also no worry about black lists or gambling, or reading slashdot.
It allows for no more abuse than SSL and authentication to a forum site on the web and is probably more accessable to users in Iran anyway.
And it seems more realistic than one point of failure/survelance like anonymizer.com.
Becareful if you use this, make sure you understand how it works and what protections it really provides.
Cheers
About a year ago as I recall
Antoher reason I am glad I have ducked the marriage bullet to this point.
(honestly it wasnt that hard, I am a geek after all)
Cheers
Maybe they dont take money, I can't really say for sure, but they do adjust the rankings for some pages.
They have been called on it before as I recall and refused to reveal what their criteria was for when they would manually adjust a page's rank.
Read their support pages, no where do they say they do not manually adjust the page ranks.
But they are still the best thing in town.
Possibly the best do it yourselfer magazine I have ever read is dedicated to renewable energy and guerrilla solar.
Home Power Magazine
I guess schizophrenia is just a matter of self discipline as well? or altzheimers?
I agree sometimes ADD is self discipline related, but not in all cases.
Your attitude of blaming them for being weak or whatever is typical.
Several drugs, in double blind studies, have dramatically increased how well and the duration people can perform concentration type tasks.
How do you explain that?
Everything in our brians is checmicals: emotions, perceptions, feelings etc. To think that concentration, ann obviously physical activity chemically speaking, cannot be affected by the rate at which chemicals are produced by our bodies is just willfully ignorant.
Good for you if you dont have it, I am glad you don't, but for once stop making simplistic judements about other people when you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
I dont have it either, and like I said, sometimes it is probably just a matter of self (or parental) discipline but I am at least open to the idea that some folks probably have a chemical variance that affects it.
I believe the same thing about weigh gain, some folks just process suger differently and some people over eat for emotional reasons, but it doesnt mean _all_ overweight people are that way for any single reason.
My advice to this gentleman is to see about trying non medicial solutions and practices that might help first. Meditation, mental self programming are both good to try and learn about, even if you end up also needing medication.
There are groups and books about good things that ADD folks can do to help, I am sure many of those techniques probably would help many non ADD folks as well.
From the SCO website:
"Caldera Systems, Inc. is a Canopy Group holding under the Ray Noorda/Canopy Group Investment Company. Ray Noorda is the former CEO of Novell, Inc. (NASDAQ:NOVL)"
And from the TrollTech site, you can see Canopy, along with SCO group own about 6% of trolltech too.
Take a look at the Canopy group main website and be sure to not patronize any of their other 20 or so "Portfolio Companies" like me.
Go to heck SCO and the VC you rode in on too.
Well, 1. my wifi point is a receiver, and I am not sure if you should be allowed to do anything to my receiver, that is rather different, I am not doing anything to a receiver on their bird, just using what is in my yard or house they put there.
:)
But, 2. If I am broadcasting my traffic and it extends beyond my property into the public space or my neighbor's space, then yes, they and you can do what you want with them, its my fault for letting it happen.
Now I'm off to build a feraday cage around my yard
The whole premise is wrong in my opinion, I think I should be able to do what I want with things people give to me or leave on my property.
If you are beaming your signals into my property, my house, my body, my kids, etc, I will damn well do what I please with them!
I almost have a duty to intercept them and decode them and make sure they are not harmful in anyway.
If they arrived unsolicited in the physical mail they would be mine to keep by federal law no questions asked.
You don't want me to do anything with them?? Then keep them off my land and out of my body, problem solved.
These are physical radio waves, you are dumping them on my property and I can't do what I want with them?
I dont think so....
There is a neat game that uses java to make robots. Starting very simple, as you learn to program you make more powerful robots to compete against others.
IBM Robocode Home
Covered on slashdot here:
Robocode Rumble: Tips From the Champs
And here:
Learning Java Through Violence
Mod this up, I would if I had the points today.
He is exactly right.
I am on the conference call right now, and the question was just asked about this.
They claim that the transfer contract "as a whole" makes it clear they were supposed to get the copyrights as well. They say it was just a contract technicality that they didn't get all the copyrights.
They say they are confident they will win any litigation about copyright ownership.
They said they interviewed all the signers of the contract and they all agreed it was supposed to include the copyrights as well.
The whole explination sounded pretty weak to me.
If you use Moz you can add a bookmarklet that will tell you if an album is distributed by an RIAA memeber.
This is from their website:
What is RIAA Radar?
The RIAA Radar is a tool that music consumers can use to easily and instantly distinguish whether an album was released by a member of the Recording Industry Association of America.
Neat.
I know lots of people can do a better job but here is my breakdown:
;)
Sourceforge - Was supported as on open source project by VA software. Last public version was 2.6, VA promised a cleaned up 2.7 since 2.6 and below were really a mess, all sourceforge.net specific hardcoded names, paths, databases, hosts, etc.
VA never came through and cleaned up the thing.
Debain Sourceforge - was born while VA still supported sourceforge as open source. It is an excellent, cleaned up 2.5/2.6 sourceforge codebase that uses all the benefits of apt to install sourceforge and all the associated programs (mail, listmanager, cvs, ssh, web, ftp, ldap, postgress). This was almost impossible before debian sourceforge made it possilbe.
Savannah - a sourceforge 2.5 installation, i dont think its distributed really, or actively developed. it was just a successful minor clean up so it would run of the sf codebase. it is primarily for use by gnu developers.
gforge - all praise their gods, tim perdue was allowed to work on sf code again, he was the father of the sourceforge system. as soon as he was legally allowed to work on the code again, he started the gforge project. it is a much cleaned up and simplified version of sourcefore, maybe even a major rewrite i forget.
now get this, gforge and debian sourceforge projects have pooled resources so you can still use the excellent debain installation tools to get a fully working gforge installation now too!!
the above is mostly accurate i think, if its not apologies, it is just too late here for me to look it all up like you could have
cheers
I think these online role playing games are really the future of gameing (and much greater human interaction in general, but that is another story).
People seem to love the community they build as well as like to just have little video game super hero represenations of themselves to goof around with, at least I do
I think there are already some OSS projects desiged for this type of game development server side, but I couldn't find any on a quick search.
i know grep very well, but it doesn't apply here i dont think.
1. i cant grep google's db of the web.
2. the power of grep is in regex, here i dont need any pattern matching, i am looking for arbitrary large exact sub strings in a rolling fashion to provide a more info about the nature of the docs it finds the matches in.
I have wanted to make a quick application that searches google using an automated, user definable sub-set of words as a string of a larger work to try and find other works by an author or discover if something might be derivative of another work.
For example:
"Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their counry"
My app, with a user defined word sub string of 4 would first search for:
"Now is the time"
"is the time for"
"the time for all"
"time for all good"
"for all good men"
etc...
until it had searched for the entire thing 4 words at a time.
It would collect the urls of say the first 50 matches for each sub string and then correlate which urls had multiple sub strings appearing.
The url with the most hits would likely be the document or the document the one I was analyzing came from.
You would tune the number of words in the sub-string to try and filter out non matches or find more matches if you were not finding enough.
That is was my quick idea for finding documents that were plagerize or maybe other works by a letter writer.
I think with google's open api it could be done pretty easy, next free week I get I will write it maybe. Any feedback on my logic here would be appreciated of course.
Just an idea.
Cheers
Counter intuitive, but it is the influx of fresh water that is the problem, not volume. The decrease in salinity will have devistating effects on our weather patterns.
This was covered in slashdot, but i can't turn it up at the moment.
Here is what the Director if the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution has to say about it:
"When I say "dramatic," I mean: Average winter temperatures could drop by 5 degrees Fahrenheit over much of the United States, and by 10 degrees in the northeastern United States and in Europe. That's enough to send mountain glaciers advancing down from the Alps. To freeze rivers and harbors and bind North Atlantic shipping lanes in ice. To disrupt the operation of ground and air transportation. To cause energy needs to soar exponentially. To force wholesale changes in agricultural practices and fisheries. To change the way we feed our populations. In short, the world, and the world economy, would be drastically different.
And when I say "abrupt," I mean: These changes could happen within a decade, and they could persist for hundreds of years. You could see the changes in your lifetime, and your grandchildren's grandchildren will still be confronting them.
And when I say "soon," I mean: In just the past year, we have seen ominous signs that we may be headed toward a potentially dangerous threshold. If we cross it, Earth's climate could switch gears and jump very rapidly--not gradually-- into a completely different mode of operation."
--Dr. Robert B. Gagosian, President and Director of Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Full article text:
Triggering Abrupt Climate Change
I looked over your site, I couldn't find anything about the controversy you had with an application that let you adjust the settings so fonts could be embedded in documents.
Could you post a summary and/or link to that information here if you get a second please?
Very nice fonts and thank you for contributing them to the world.
Cheers
Maybe they could save a few bucks by not paying to have the Ottawa Senators stadium named after them.
The Corel Center naming rights must cost a few bucks.
http://www.corelcentre.com/index2.aro
February 27, 1996 The Palladium is renamed the "Corel Centre" in a 20 year, multi-million dollar agreement with the internationally-known, Ottawa-based software company. The new identity positions the Corel Centre as the highest-technology sports and entertainment facility in the world.
My condolances to those that lost their jobs.
Excellent interview and responses, a very educational read for anyone who deals with firewalls and packet filtering. It should become part of the pf docs.
He is very modest, but I like the sounds of some of the things he is doing. Here are some solid, specific things pf is doing that I dont think other packet filters are doing, ask your vendor how they are handling these same types of issues.
This is why pf sounds like it will be very good (direct quotes from the article):
If you are basically admitting your product/service doesn't work, to the point where you are taking legal action with the failure of your service as the basis of the suit, then all your customers should be demanding a refund.
At least I think they should.
I think sourceforge could help you out a lot. Stay away from the alexandria project, it was not a very good public project when it was active and has been in active for about a year now, use the debian-sourceforge packages hosted on savanna:
Sourceforge for Debian
This project is a _working_ easy to install sourceforge system based on the last known public sources before VA pulled it in and made it proprietary again.
The two main authors (lo-lan-do and cbayle) have done an outstanding job fixing bugs and hard coded stuff VA left in there (which I think they did on purpose to make it hard to install so you had to pay them their USD100k to install it for you basically) and getting a nearly fully functional system that is accessible to all.
I like sf as a development management system very much, even though the public version they left out there is far from perfect, with several features missing that I think are close to essential for a dev mgt system, but overall I am more than willing to live without them for the rest of the features of sf and its easy to use interface for end users.
If you don't know the nightmare of installing the old 2.0 or 2.5 version then you will not appreciate fully the work of these two folks to bring sf to the average user. My thanks to them and I encourage anyone who might make use of their packages to contribute back to them in some way to say thank you.