Really, be serious. They take a dual core - which is much like 2 seperate CPUs - and throw a bunch of non-optimized, single-threaded applications at it.
*NO WONDER* that the CPU does not perform 2-3 times as fast as the PowerPC; one of the two cores can't on his own. Steve never told us that applications will be 2-3 times faster. He just showed some flops. If people still can't understand a benchmark *phew*
In fact, the 10-20% increase in spead is exactly the gain that one would expect who knows that MacOS X usually takes 10-20% system load when doing any transfer task (like memory-to-disk and stuff); so it seems to me that this is what happened with those programs.
Also, the article does not give any suspicions why the architecture performes so bad, no background information about the hardware at all (like, jikes, completly different motherboard architecture, different bus system).
In short: from the technical aspect, bad article.
PLEASE, guys, next time, throw in some common sense and benchmark at least one real multiprocessor optimized program, i.e. Cinema4D rendering.
1. want to use the music playback device for music playback on a party. Put my precious address data and phone there and leave it alone the whole evening? Probably not!
2. I use my iPod shuffle when riding the bike. Hell, you know how often you can drop anything you cary when riding a bike? Of course breaking an iPod is bad enough, but at least I still can use my phone and access by precious address data (there's a lot of money in there)
Of course I can (and do) backup the data and get a new device. But using different devices is much more flexible. And I don't care about carrying two or three little ones with me. (right now, mostly an iPod shuffle, a Palm Vx and a Siemens ME45 cellphone).
Modern phones are totally stupid, all those features that nobody (except children and some strange people who usually put big audio systems in crap cars) wants just eat up battery power.
I saw the movie in cinema on wednesday (premiere day here in germany) and it was awsome. I'm downloading right now, because I need to watch this flick constantly. NOW.
If there would be a DVD available, I think I would pay up to 30$ for it. Now. Not in 8 month. Also an iTunes download would be nice.
Unless they notice they can make MORE money using multiple distribution channels instead of blocking the willing customers from paying for it, they will have problems.
I'll be back in cinema at least on next wednesday, to get my weekly sith dosis. Sorry, I'm a geek, as it seems;)
really, there never was much difference between the two. Maybe Apple had more "own" ideas, but I'm not sure.
But Apple devices always have been cooler than M$ devices.
So, what? It's capitalism. M$ is to big, Apple can grow quite a bit until getting a pain in the ass like M$ is now. It's not the idea of capitalism that sucks, but a lack of regulation keeping companies away from market domination (which would falsify the market and thus destroy capitalism itself).
I have been working with OS X for a few days now, and it's great. Really, it's the best OS I ever had access too. And as long as they don't mess with my gnome at home, I'm fine with them.
I finally had the chance to work with MacOS, so I know from personal usage: 1. Linux (now 95% of usage time) 2. Windows from 2.11 (really:)) to XP 3. MacOS X 10.3.2
and while I'm a Linux junkie I must confess: setting up the Mac was done in a glimps, using the UI and all programs that come with it was "without thinking", and productivity on the first day on this host was about 40% I think. On Linux, I would still be installing applications.
After all I think MacOS X is the best, because you have a lot of time to work and don't have to tweek the OS a lot, Linux comes second because you HAVE to tweek it a lot, but after that it finally works, and Windows comes at the third place because it's - like the good old Doom Operating System aka MS-DOS - mostly installed to play Doom 3 with proper surround sound. Nothing to work with, though, especially after seeing Mac OS X in action.
Yep, call me an Apple Enthusiast. I have learned programming on an Apple ][e...:o)
hm that's really a nice one. It just works exactly as it should, but the way it works itself is a bad thing...:)
I can't even think of a workaround that will help everywhere. Even adding a note that this domain is a IDN one won't help because, hey, it's just a matter of time until there's some company that uses strange characters on purpose (especially here in germany...). And they will be open to the same exploit...
well written and IMHO true description of what happened back than.
Talking about "nothing at all" is wrong, but there *also* was a lot of stupid fuzz around.
Also it should be remembered that there was a second problem in 2000, because of the 29th april (in 2000 there was no april 29th despite it's devidable by 4, because its also devidable by 100, or something alike). That's what makes my old VCR recorder fail, it has the correct year representation, but the week days are all messed up, it does not record anything anymore when using the timer.
So there *were* problems, and they were fixed. Of course not in my old recorder. Dear apple, in 2038 the iPod20 movie docking station should be flashable...;)
I also think that there are already movements to fix the 2038 problem, and that this will be out of the way a lot of time before the problem will really hit (I don't think many people thought that there systems would still be in use they programmed back in the 70ths, and I think many programmers take this experiences into account now). Also programming techniques have changed a bit...
I've been developing PalmOS applications for about 3 years now, and our whole software team is eager to finally see Cobalt devices because PalmOS 3/4/5 simply is not what a modern OS should be, talking about features like i18n and system design.
I've been using Linux for 6 years, and I think it's a great operating system (not the best for PCs available, as that's obviously MacOS X) and I'm eager to see Linux-powered devices so I can port my favourite software to the device.
So, I'm not yet sure what Cobalt+Linux bring us, but I think it's a great opportunity for device manufacturers to get the Palm users and their software AND the Linux users and their software, making up a bit of the gap between PocketPC/.net application availability.
1. dumping out code without documentation and thinking at about 100lines/hour
2. very much thinking about design, proper documentation, and maybe 10lines/hour
both leads to an 80h sum, but I'm not sure if all people are talking about the same "coding" here:)
Anyway, sitting 80 hours/week in front of a PC and code is possible, if you don't have a personal live. I did it for a while, and it worked quite well. Than, girls, drugs, doom1-3, and you know...:)
right now I'm at about 100hrs per month, and that's a quite nice rate. Of course, no way to get rich (anymore)...
nuff said. what a strange excuse for bad marketing habits. "Hey it's a free world, that is, no rules... or isn't it?"
I don't want a free world without rules, I want a free world with proper rules. That's a difference.
I own two domains, both running catch-all. I do not get many spam mails on the "random" account, most of my spam is adressed to the address I use widespread in forums and stuff.
I think only 10-20% of my spam is recieved via the catch-alls, that would mean roughly 10-20 mails per day. I get about 100 spam mails per day. SpamAssassin doues a great job here, so I don't care much any more. It's just removed. The catch-alls are not really making it worse!
... I must state the OSS in fact *PAYS* for my job, not the other way round.
I think there are about 30 webservers hosting a few hundred domains and some specialized dynamic programs that are all powered by Linux and Apache/PHP/MySQL.
This would be (nearly) impossible without OSS, and so, my job would be, too.
Thanks, OSS. Of course I give a fair trade by maintaining my own small OSS project at sf.net;)
as many others pointed out, natural joices would be h323 (very wide-spread) and sip.
I don't know much about sip, but everyone tells me "stop using h323, use sip". Seems to be better, but never change a running system.
h323 is only for VoIP, not for calling real phones - unless you have an gateway to the "real" world.
There are many h323 programs available, like netmeeting (really hardcore connectivity problems through firewalls, better use...), openphone (openh323/windows), gnomemeeting(openh323/linux) and so forth. Normally, all h323-compatible apps should be able to communicate. You can use many different audio codecs, depending on your bandwith and data rate quality. There's even the (in)famoues GSM codec that's used in european cellphones, sounds quite good for 1.6k/s+overhead.
at least the band page (forum) seems to be down, should be the/. effect.
Maybe that tells someone a lesson. "beware of the masses" or so.
Depressing that one of my favourite acts publishes such dumb stuff. I like those guys. Should not have given up their own label after all, as it seems...
this "invention" has already been covered in the book "Birne kann alles" by Günter Herburger (like "lightbulb can do anything") where a small, intelligent lightbulb changes the world to a better one. Obviously it's written for children. Some Siemens engineers must have read it like I did back in the early 80ths:D
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Really, be serious. They take a dual core - which is much like 2 seperate CPUs - and throw a bunch of non-optimized, single-threaded applications at it.
*NO WONDER* that the CPU does not perform 2-3 times as fast as the PowerPC; one of the two cores can't on his own. Steve never told us that applications will be 2-3 times faster. He just showed some flops. If people still can't understand a benchmark *phew*
In fact, the 10-20% increase in spead is exactly the gain that one would expect who knows that MacOS X usually takes 10-20% system load when doing any transfer task (like memory-to-disk and stuff); so it seems to me that this is what happened with those programs.
Also, the article does not give any suspicions why the architecture performes so bad, no background information about the hardware at all (like, jikes, completly different motherboard architecture, different bus system).
In short: from the technical aspect, bad article.
PLEASE, guys, next time, throw in some common sense and benchmark at least one real multiprocessor optimized program, i.e. Cinema4D rendering.
... I think americans don't even know how to spell "nerd" correctly.
;)
It's called Otaku, anyway.
Just a few examples:
;)
1. want to use the music playback device for music playback on a party. Put my precious address data and phone there and leave it alone the whole evening? Probably not!
2. I use my iPod shuffle when riding the bike. Hell, you know how often you can drop anything you cary when riding a bike? Of course breaking an iPod is bad enough, but at least I still can use my phone and access by precious address data (there's a lot of money in there)
Of course I can (and do) backup the data and get a new device. But using different devices is much more flexible. And I don't care about carrying two or three little ones with me. (right now, mostly an iPod shuffle, a Palm Vx and a Siemens ME45 cellphone).
Modern phones are totally stupid, all those features that nobody (except children and some strange people who usually put big audio systems in crap cars) wants just eat up battery power.
What a mad world
for a second I was... "hey I have to install that imme... wait... I already did... I... *click* 2.10... [strange feeling]... ah, 2.12..."
:)
can someone correct the headline or something?
I saw the movie in cinema on wednesday (premiere day here in germany) and it was awsome. I'm downloading right now, because I need to watch this flick constantly. NOW.
;)
If there would be a DVD available, I think I would pay up to 30$ for it. Now. Not in 8 month. Also an iTunes download would be nice.
Unless they notice they can make MORE money using multiple distribution channels instead of blocking the willing customers from paying for it, they will have problems.
I'll be back in cinema at least on next wednesday, to get my weekly sith dosis. Sorry, I'm a geek, as it seems
hm maybe someone should have told Apple (we are talking about GNU/Linux I think, so it applies) and IBM before they switched their marketing model. ;)
really, there never was much difference between the two. Maybe Apple had more "own" ideas, but I'm not sure.
But Apple devices always have been cooler than M$ devices.
So, what? It's capitalism. M$ is to big, Apple can grow quite a bit until getting a pain in the ass like M$ is now. It's not the idea of capitalism that sucks, but a lack of regulation keeping companies away from market domination (which would falsify the market and thus destroy capitalism itself).
I have been working with OS X for a few days now, and it's great. Really, it's the best OS I ever had access too. And as long as they don't mess with my gnome at home, I'm fine with them.
I finally had the chance to work with MacOS, so I know from personal usage: :)) to XP
:o)
1. Linux (now 95% of usage time)
2. Windows from 2.11 (really
3. MacOS X 10.3.2
and while I'm a Linux junkie I must confess: setting up the Mac was done in a glimps, using the UI and all programs that come with it was "without thinking", and productivity on the first day on this host was about 40% I think. On Linux, I would still be installing applications.
After all I think MacOS X is the best, because you have a lot of time to work and don't have to tweek the OS a lot, Linux comes second because you HAVE to tweek it a lot, but after that it finally works, and Windows comes at the third place because it's - like the good old Doom Operating System aka MS-DOS - mostly installed to play Doom 3 with proper surround sound. Nothing to work with, though, especially after seeing Mac OS X in action.
Yep, call me an Apple Enthusiast. I have learned programming on an Apple ][e...
hm that's really a nice one. It just works exactly as it should, but the way it works itself is a bad thing... :)
I can't even think of a workaround that will help everywhere. Even adding a note that this domain is a IDN one won't help because, hey, it's just a matter of time until there's some company that uses strange characters on purpose (especially here in germany...). And they will be open to the same exploit...
sometimes, life is simple... ;)
totally crazy, but a great idea and a great hack.
Maybe beeing this creative could push Steve into the direction to give us the ROM binaries because we'll get them anyway...
well written and IMHO true description of what happened back than.
;)
;)
Talking about "nothing at all" is wrong, but there *also* was a lot of stupid fuzz around.
Also it should be remembered that there was a second problem in 2000, because of the 29th april (in 2000 there was no april 29th despite it's devidable by 4, because its also devidable by 100, or something alike). That's what makes my old VCR recorder fail, it has the correct year representation, but the week days are all messed up, it does not record anything anymore when using the timer.
So there *were* problems, and they were fixed. Of course not in my old recorder. Dear apple, in 2038 the iPod20 movie docking station should be flashable...
I also think that there are already movements to fix the 2038 problem, and that this will be out of the way a lot of time before the problem will really hit (I don't think many people thought that there systems would still be in use they programmed back in the 70ths, and I think many programmers take this experiences into account now). Also programming techniques have changed a bit...
anyway, keep your eyes open
I've been developing PalmOS applications for about 3 years now, and our whole software team is eager to finally see Cobalt devices because PalmOS 3/4/5 simply is not what a modern OS should be, talking about features like i18n and system design.
;)
I've been using Linux for 6 years, and I think it's a great operating system (not the best for PCs available, as that's obviously MacOS X) and I'm eager to see Linux-powered devices so I can port my favourite software to the device.
So, I'm not yet sure what Cobalt+Linux bring us, but I think it's a great opportunity for device manufacturers to get the Palm users and their software AND the Linux users and their software, making up a bit of the gap between PocketPC/.net application availability.
And of course I don't like PocketPC/.net stuff
> Evil never dies... Evil comes down onto itself... ;)
yep, same thing here. Stupid "invention", IMO... guess they got a patent for it... ;)
1. dumping out code without documentation and thinking at about 100lines/hour
:)
:)
2. very much thinking about design, proper documentation, and maybe 10lines/hour
both leads to an 80h sum, but I'm not sure if all people are talking about the same "coding" here
Anyway, sitting 80 hours/week in front of a PC and code is possible, if you don't have a personal live. I did it for a while, and it worked quite well. Than, girls, drugs, doom1-3, and you know...
right now I'm at about 100hrs per month, and that's a quite nice rate. Of course, no way to get rich (anymore)...
... a pattern as well :)
great movie, a must-see. "Pi"...
the green party just brought up the software patent issue to get some attention to an existing problem - software patents.
:)
They are pro Linux (at least for Munich), and against (pure) software patents.
Just to prevent misunderstandings...
nuff said. what a strange excuse for bad marketing habits. "Hey it's a free world, that is, no rules... or isn't it?" I don't want a free world without rules, I want a free world with proper rules. That's a difference.
I own two domains, both running catch-all. I do not get many spam mails on the "random" account, most of my spam is adressed to the address I use widespread in forums and stuff.
I think only 10-20% of my spam is recieved via the catch-alls, that would mean roughly 10-20 mails per day. I get about 100 spam mails per day. SpamAssassin doues a great job here, so I don't care much any more. It's just removed. The catch-alls are not really making it worse!
it's damn slow at least. *g*
... I must state the OSS in fact *PAYS* for my job, not the other way round.
;)
I think there are about 30 webservers hosting a few hundred domains and some specialized dynamic programs that are all powered by Linux and Apache/PHP/MySQL.
This would be (nearly) impossible without OSS, and so, my job would be, too.
Thanks, OSS. Of course I give a fair trade by maintaining my own small OSS project at sf.net
as many others pointed out, natural joices would be h323 (very wide-spread) and sip.
I don't know much about sip, but everyone tells me "stop using h323, use sip". Seems to be better, but never change a running system.
h323 is only for VoIP, not for calling real phones - unless you have an gateway to the "real" world.
There are many h323 programs available, like netmeeting (really hardcore connectivity problems through firewalls, better use...), openphone (openh323/windows), gnomemeeting(openh323/linux) and so forth. Normally, all h323-compatible apps should be able to communicate. You can use many different audio codecs, depending on your bandwith and data rate quality. There's even the (in)famoues GSM codec that's used in european cellphones, sounds quite good for 1.6k/s+overhead.
at least the band page (forum) seems to be down, should be the /. effect.
Maybe that tells someone a lesson. "beware of the masses" or so.
Depressing that one of my favourite acts publishes such dumb stuff. I like those guys. Should not have given up their own label after all, as it seems...
this "invention" has already been covered in the book "Birne kann alles" by Günter Herburger (like "lightbulb can do anything") where a small, intelligent lightbulb changes the world to a better one. Obviously it's written for children. Some Siemens engineers must have read it like I did back in the early 80ths :D
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[sorry link without picture and not much (german) information - hail the fish]